We should Understand him…
Posted by RodgeWhile our friend N10452 has taken an important but justified decision to stop posting for a while, I’ve taken the opposite direction myself and finally decided to write something after a long period of absence (more than a year) from posting and commenting as well, and believe me it was nearly for the same reasons showed by N.
It’s because I am, and I’m sure we are all so disappointed (not to say disgusted) from the situation in Lebanon, mainly with the poor political performance of those who are running and taking the country (to HELL I’m afraid), those who were supposed to improve the whole situation and create a good atmosphere for the people to re-enjoy this beautiful Lebanon.
But sadly, and as N has mentioned, things are getting worse and hope is fading in seeing anything good from that staff of politicians and officials.
In addition, allow me to say that many of the comments we usually read here or elsewhere regarding the different issues or conflicts we’re suffering from, are even more disappointing, which proves that we still lacking the culture of communication, as most of these comments do not have the minimum level of logic, respect and sanity, but above all they seem missing the necessary knowledge and awareness.
You have to excuse me for this, and I don’t want anyone to feel offended, because in return, lots of comments are great and should be very well taken in consideration for including a high level of good speech.
Well, and returning to the main subject, I wanted to write a comment on what N posted, but since it was impossible to do that as he closed this option, I thought maybe I could voice my opinion here, emphasizing at the same time that I really understand what he feels deep inside, and eventhough I may not agree with everything he said, I do agree on the subject and the disappointment as a whole.
The message is that we can differ but we should not disrespect each others, we should try to give a good example of how to establish a sane Dialogue, and I think this Blog is the right and the best place for that.
How can we ask our politicians, with all their personal backgrounds and own interests, to agree on one thing or even to stop insulting each others, while we the ordinary Lebanese people who clearly want the best for our country are still unable to do so?
Let’s start with ourselves and try to engage in a constructive Dialogue. I’m not saying that we should give up on our ideas or opinions, but we have to put in mind that no one has the full truth, also nobody is fully wrong, so let’s try to see the right and wrong in each and everyone of our politicians and of us, maybe by that we can better understand what N and many others are trying to convey.
I understand what N has felt before taking this decision, and I urge everybody to understand him and to give him in return a good reason to show up again and re-post as soon as possible.
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N, welcome to the club of retirees
I hope only temporary, sa narji3ou yawman!
Welcome back Rodge, we miss you man I hope you are well
Kezballah,
Thanks for asking, I’m fine and I think I’ll be better as soon as I feel that the Lebanese people become more mature in terms of political thinking.
As long as lebanese politicians from all sides care more about their own interests first and foremost above those of the nation (al watan) there will be no changes, and considering that this has been a chronic illness since independence, then I am affraid our chances are slim to none! One thing that we can do is either get out of the way and look for our own interest as individuals, or continue to fight for what we believe, in the hope that one day something will change, although we should realistically lower our expectations to the very minimum based on previous experience. Truly sad!
K and rodge in the same post
kin lezem N ya3mila zameen 3a hal 7ili 
3am nimza7 shabeb.
Ya3ni it seems it is always the good people who leave .shou bina shabeb ? Wallah ? Wa nabka
ja3far rou7 tmanyak somewhere else.
N, Rodge, Kezb, politics will only give you stress and nothing in return.
best to do is concentrate on yourself and your future.
Min ween biyetla3o hal hibel houl
ja3far how was the convention?
N,man ballashna nishta2lak.
Hi Rodge nawwarit
Danny 7aram Ja3far nammalit 2ido min nat3 l camera
who’s to blame?
Regional states sponsor certain parties/individuals with generous handouts to do their bidding. we have Hizbollah getting money from Iran now – does future and Ouwet get money from Saudi? I dont really know, and haven’t been following politics recently.
These regional states sponsor those who have the backing of the people, so – yes – it’s all our fault. Stop following your local za’im like a sheep and ask them to show some results – otherwise vote them out of office as quickly as possible.
wtf has berri been speaker of parliament for the last 20 years??? surely there is someone more qualified for the post who will actually do the job. why has the post of PM being occupied by Hariri for 20 years (minus a couple of years here and there?
As long as the people are not demanding accountabiility – you wont see any change. heck (and I really wanted to use the f-word here) – if I was doing a half assed job at work, and kept getting a raise and generous bonus each year – why would I try to put in any effort whatsoever???
Rodge,
Nice to hear from you. Even Ja3far is happy….
He was looking for you for a while
Danny..inti bta3ref ino Ma3azet rodge wa k kbiri 3andi .
Taking a break is good thing, it makes you see things from a different angle …
anyways, hope you enjoy the break N …
i hope michel aoun takes a break also, and see’s how he’s distroying our country by signing a contract with the devil (hassouna 666) …
Keep it up Rodge .
U know that saying
” AND A BICYCLE DROVE OVER IT”
Too bad N that you can’t take a short break in a country near you!
Please remember the many times I posted the comment saying that some Parties/Organizations sold to the outside have the HIDDEN objective of getting good patriots to become disgusted and leave the country…
Dear N,
That is all I have to say.
Please know that I fully respect your patriotism anf this is the N°1 reason why I stayed tuned on this blog since I am not L.F.
God bless you,
Theresinia
You keep saying that our politicians are corrupt, as if corruption is unique to Lebanon or the genetic makeup of its politicians. It is not the fault of the individuals but rather a by-product of our Lebanese makeup and the fault of the society as a whole.
Any person anywhere in any position of power will seek even greater power and impunity. It is up to the people to keep politicians in check, until enough tradition of respect to the law and subservience to the common good is ingrained in the customs of the country’s individuals. In earlier societies this used to happen through revolt, in democracies through casting your vote. But to establish a system where revolt or true voting is possible you need a homogeneous society that agrees on basic principles of governance and responsibility.
This is not the case in Lebanon and as much as we hate it, things will never change. One part of the society will always obstruct change originating from the other and keep us on our never ending downward spiral to hell.
Traffic,
The problem is not only the politicians which are corrupted…it is the blind people who follow them, trust them, and repeat after them the rubbish and the insanities they produce….!!!!
smalla 3laykon killkon do3at saleim w ma7abbeh..
art of communication w peace w love w prosperity w democracy..wlak tla3o minna ba2a lahal kizbeh..
hayda el blog lal ouwet..
evryone who writes here wants the arabs to die..
wants the muslims to die..
wants the people of south lebanon to die..
wants the hezbollah to die..
wants the palestinians to die..
3a min 3am bitkazzbo ya3neh..
to2seem libnein, federalism, hope for an israeli and american invasion, the dream of a maronite lebanon, taking all the civil and human rights of the druze, the shia and the sunnis..
you dont give a damn about hariri..
you dont give a damn about jerusalem (home of jesus)..
if the israelis take jerusalem you are delighted..
if palestine becomes officially jewish you are more than happy as if it is your cause..
the jews kill jesus and you diont care..
the muslims fight the israelis and you are sad about it and angry sometimes..
war breaks in 2006 and you go partying and clubbing for that special occasion..
what kind of people are you?
peace, love and sh-it..
ba3dein 3ashou 3am ti7ko 3anno lal N ka2anno stash-had aw shi..
el zalameh ba3do 7ayyon yorzak, 3amlinleh 3leh jinneiz w shta2neilak w N 7ayy fina w ma ba3rif shou..
shou bikon dighreh bitsadd2o 7alkon w btimsho fiya..
yalla, back to politics..farjouna, its getting exciting nowadays..
Well it’s late at nite out here in the west coast and in a couple minutes I’d prolly see the sun rising but I went through all the comments some of them were coming from the heart and some other ones it really kills me to see how some people like most Lebanese are narrow minded and selfish individuals but the sad thing we always have been and it looks like we always will be. I honestly for a long time believed in the LF and the change we strive for and the pain our country and people feel everyday and everynite but I gave up on the LF and all the corrupted aholes who are part of it! Same goes to hizballah and any other party, I don’t flying fuk about anything anymore, sad but true, I don’t see that we will ever live in harmony anymore there’s always gonna be conflicts and issues and the country will never be stable and with time Lebanon and the people of Lebanon will nor be able on sustaining life in little piece of land! I try to convice everyday my fox to sell everything we own and come and plant a seed in the west so at least we are guaranteed a decent stable life, I say this with pain but that’s the truth, when you live outside the country you are looking at the box from the outside and you can see, hear and predict where we are headed to, it doesn’t look promising at all, god bless tou all and I wish you all the best.
Theresina,
This is what I’m saying exactly. Our corrupt politicians are the result of our corrupt or corruptive society.
The fact that the people can’t keep the politician in check is what is producing corrupt politicians time and time again.
And i go further and say there is no way out of this vicious cycle, because people in Leb are sheep, and they will remain so because they are too busy inter-fighting than to give any regard to the greater good.
K4,
It seems you have been missing some tests lately. I would suggest that when a physician prescribes medication; the said medication should be taken regularly. I have a feeling you have been missing a few.
Just a friendly suggestion.
K4,
Please stop with your plot theories…cause they are “theories” …and go and do some good to Lebanon (this is a needed reality).
We are fed up with all these insane plots!!! fabricated by some leaders to make the ghanam reduce their IQ to zero!!!!
K4,
By the way: you never dared to answer my previous post which was addressed to you! (please respond without running away):
I am against all types of agents, whether they are Israeli agents, Syrian, French agents, American, saudi, Iranian, or…Zimbabeweyan agents…
HA is clearly and definitely a servant agent to Iran. Full Stop.
Your should start by having loyalty to Lebanon and to all its people whether they are black or yellow, christians or druze, tall or short,
fat or obese, one-eyed or three-eyed, with and without tails!!
You should respect others.
You should start by respecting their rights to express different ideas than you.
You ought to respect freedom of speech in real life (other than on this blog).
You must respect Human Rights.
This is called DEMOCRACY.
At present what HA is doing : HE IS TAKING AWAY Democracy from Lebanon.
That is my FIRST concern: The destruction is presently coming from WITHIN (not from foreign countries)!!!
would the maronite accept to seperate religion from politics?
would they accept to have a muslim or a druze as a president?
would they accept to share the power equally with the muslim shia, sunni or druze?
would they accept to cancel the secular political system that kills the middle class and and the poor and promotes rich nobles and landlords?
would they accept to share all the government wealth to restore the middle class and create educated and cultivated people who consist the back bone of a society?
would they encourage the poor to work and decrease unemployment and give people jobs based on their potential and skills and abilities rather than their religion background and identity?
would they accept to spend the government money on hospitals, schools, universities and technical institutes for all the lebanese people rather than increasing their own lands and shares in the under the table business deals like the hariri did with solidaire and sukleen and ogero?
would they build water dams and electrical stations and underground infrastructure and internet and a fine and secure communication network?
would they accept to build a railroad that connects all the regions of lebanon and a fine transportation network?
would they create a respectful social security system that ensures the health of the people?
would they offer subsidiaries to the middle class and help them get loans for small businesses and teach their children in schools and universities?
would they put their power and potential in their western connections to build a strong army with weapons that enable him to defend lebanon from israel?
would they accept to solve the pollution and garbage and chemical wastes in the most beautiful country in the world lebanon?
would they accept that everyone gets fresh drinking water in the land of water?
would they decrease the price of fuel for the people?
would they find a good solution for the rents?
woild they find a solution for the foreigners who own 60$ of lebanese land now?
you answer all that miss theresina and get back to me.
would they
theresina, i never dared to answer your questions?
smallah la innik strategic researcher inteh, ma tkouneh mfakkra 7alik carla bruni inteh?
rou7eh dahhreh bsayntik rou7eh..
K4M1 now you trying to turn the Christians into Hezbollah pawns???Championing them on security when the only thing your organization does is deteriorate the situation with Israel when Iran’s interest are in the picture!!!And your only solution is what K4m1 spend Iran’s money on the expense of Lebanese interests???But why blame you right ,you know where the money is.Let’s just hope it doesn’t run out ,right??Then you will need badly the rest of Lebanon for all the expenses you mentioned,sorry kamikaze fascism doesn’t pay off in the long term… You will see!
Kami,
This is your level of thinking!
We will discuss when you can become able to think.
Kami,
Of course, for you women, have a lower grade?
Rodger, Kezballah , ja3far, paul, Johnny.B all in one post ! ken na2isskun badkun michelle and rima to play some old school ouwetcom..
It has been a big while(maybe 8 months) since the last time i posted something on this wall.. but hey i just wanted to say hello..
Take care a7la chabeb
Doc man a big while indeed so that you have forget your name
wasn’t 1559 ?
paul that’s the effect of the rat droppings in the tunnels doc was in to pass his “medicals” HA style…So much so he forgot he was loitering around here only a couple of months ago and now he’s experiencing dyslexia
paulino i couldnt post under 1559 so i reversed it to 9551
.. reverse psychology remember ? 
lol
Take care bro…
Danny
Woof woof keep it scooby doo..
كشفت مصادر صحفية النقاب عن تقديم مدير الأمن العام لقوى الأمن الداخلي اللبناني اشرف ريفي أدلة إلى حزب الله تؤكد وجود إثنين من قادة الحزب الجديرين بالثقة وذوي الرتب الوظيفية المتوسطة، يعملان عملاء لصالح إسرائيل.
قالت مصادر صحافية إن المدير العام لقوى الأمن اللبناني الداخلي اللواء، أشرف ريفي، عقد اجتماعاً في نيسان / أبريل الماضي مع مسؤول لجنة الارتباط والتنسيق المركزية في حزب الله، وفيق صفا، حذره خلاله من أن الحزب يتعرض للاختراق من جانب إسرائيل.
وقالت صحيفة لوس أنغليس تايمز الأميركيـة في عددها الصادر اليوم نقلا عن مسؤول أمني لبناني رفيع المستوى، لم يتم الكشف عن هويته، وكان على دراية بهذا الاجتماع، قوله: “في ما يخص هذا الأمر، قام أشرف ريفي بتقديم أدلة تُبيِّن أن اثنين من قادة حزب الله الجديرين بالثقة وذوي الرتب الوظيفية المتوسطة، كانوا يعملون كمخبرين لصالح الاستخبارات العسكرية الإسرائيلية”.
ثم يلفت هذا المسؤول إلى أن الأمور تطورت بسرعة بعد ذلك. حيث اتصل صفا بريفي في اليوم التالي ليتعهد له بأن الجماعة المسلحة ستأخذ على عاتقها التعامل مع المتسللين المزعومين.
وأوضح إن حالة من الصمت قد هيمنت حينها على صفا، وأن مسؤولي الحزب قد شعروا بالصدمة. ثم تنقل الصحيفة عن مسؤولين وخبراء أمنيين تأكيدهم على أن حرباً استخباراتية سرية مازالت دائرة بلا هوادة بين الدولة اليهودية وحزب الله، منذ انتهاء الحرب التي استمرت لمدة شهر بين الطرفين قبل أربعة أعوام.
وتواصل الصحيفة الأميركية حديثها لتؤكد على أن الحكومة اللبنانية القوية تساعد الآن حزب الله على الكشف عن خلايا التجسس المزعومة، وفي بعض الأحيان باستخدام أدوات وأجهزة من دول غربية حريصة على بناء القوات الأمنية اللبنانية كثقل موازن للجماعة الشيعية، المشاركة في الائتلاف الحاكم منذ اتفاقية تقاسم السلطة عام 2008.
وقد أعرب مراقبون غربيون في هذا السياق عن قلقهم، حيث قالوا إنه وبالرغم من تأكيد المسؤولين الأمنيين في لبنان على أنهم يستخدمون أدوات مكتشفة حديثا ً للكشف عن الجواسيس الذين يراقبون حزب الله، فإنهم يقوموا بنفس الأمر ضد أي فرد يحاول التسلل إلى البلاد.
وهنا، تقول مارا كارلين، المتخصصة اللبنانية السابقة في وزارة الدفاع الأميركية والتي تعمل حاليا ً كباحثة في كلية جون هوبكنز للدراسات الدولية المتقدمة :”هناك مخاوف إسرائيلية عميقة من أن أي شيء يمنحه الغرب إلى القوات المسلحة اللبنانية وقوى الأمن الداخلي، من الممكن أن يُستَخدم ضدهم”.
ثم تشير لوس أنغليس تايمز إلى ذلك اللقاء الذي سبق وأن جمع يوم الاثنين الماضي بين مساعد وزير الدفاع الأميركي، ألكسندر فيرشبو، وعدد من المسؤولين في لبنان، حيث أكد لهم على أن تواصل التدريبات والمساعدات الأميركية سيسمح للجيش “بمنع الميليشيات وباقي المنظمات غير الحكومية” من تقويض الحكومة. وبحسب ما نقلته الصحيفة عن مسؤولين لبنانيين في هذا الإطار من معلومات، فإن لبنان قد أعيد توجيهها لكي تستخدم معدات تعني بالكشف عن الإشارة ضد إسرائيل، وهي المعدات التي تبرعت بها فرنسا وتهدف إلى محاربة المتشددين الإسلاميين.
إلى هنا، تنقل الصحيفة عن العقيد المتقاعد كمال العور، العضو السابق بالقوى اللبنانية الخاصة، قوله: “إن التكنولوجيا التي استخدمت مع جماعة فتح الإسلام، سبق وأن تم الاستعانة بها في الكشف عن الجواسيس والمتعاونين الإسرائيليين في لبنان. حيث تم الكشف عن أنهم كانوا يتحدثون مع الإسرائيليين على الجانب الآخر من الحدود”.
وأفادت الصحيفة بأن الجيش الأميركي سبق له أن قام أيضا ً بالمساهمة في تعزيز قدرات الاتصال الخاصة بقوى الأمن اللبنانية. وقال المحلل الإسرائيلي، روبين بيرغمان، إن الولايات المتحدة زودت الجيش اللبناني بمعدات إلكترونية متطورة تسمح له بتحديد وتقفي أثر الاتصالات المشفرة. ورغم ذلك، تلفت الصحيفة إلى عدم وجود أدلة تبين أن التدريبات والمعدات قد تم استخدامها في إحباط العمليات الاستخباراتية الخاصة بإسرائيل، التي تعد واحدة من أبرز حلفاء الولايات المتحدة.
ثم تلفت الصحيفة في ختام تقريرها لبعض الحالات التي أدين فيها لبنانيون بالتجسس لصالح إسرائيل، والتي كان آخرها تلك العملية التي قامت من خلالها قوى الأمن اللبنانية بإلقاء القبض على شخصين يعملان لصالح شركة ألفا للاتصالات الخلوية المملوكة للحكومة، حيث سمحا، كما قيل، لإسرائيل بأن تخترق شبكة الاتصالات، ذلك الأمر الذي تسبب في إغضاب الحكومة اللبنانية، ودَفَعها لإعلان أنها ستسعى للحصول على تعويض من إسرائيل في مجلس الأمن. وقال المسؤولون الأمنيون إن دوافع تجسس بعض اللبنانيين لصالح إسرائيل تختلف من حالة لأخرى.
وعاود هنا المسؤول الأمني رفيع المستوى ليقول: “هناك بعض الأسباب السياسية، وهناك بعض الأسباب النفسية. لكنها تتمحور في الغالب حول المال والجنس”. ويميط مسؤولون أمنيون لبنانيون وخبراء استخباراتيون النقاب عن أن الجواسيس المزعومين يستعينون بأجهزة إلكترونية متطورة للتواصل مع الأشخاص المسؤولين عنهم عن طريق رسائل مشفرة.
وعلى مدار السنوات القليلة الماضية، قامت لبنان بمضاعفة عدد الضباط العاملين في مكافحة التجسس. ويعتقد المسؤولون الأمنيون أن جهودهم بدأت تؤتي بثمارها، من خلال تفكيك البنية التحتية الجاسوسية الإسرائيلية القوية، التي يشيرون إلى تواجدها في البلاد منذ عدة عقود.
docgy…
I see you are ok…Same old K9!! Happy to see the stray population of the dayieh has been practicing its barking to an orchestra…Now go boy fetch…Don’t be afraid of the rat; its “friendly” hassoon.
Little danny, happy am ok ?
awww thats so nice of you, im okay dont you worry about me.. i just recently bought a dog and every time SHE barks, she reminds me of you, btw i called her danny as well !!
WOOOF WOOF GO GET A LIFE LOSEEERRRRRRR !!!
Talk 2 you in 6 months !!
wow…Ya dcocggy. I am always impressed on your level of intellect. Off course I would not expect less from the mobilette and slipper combo!
Yalla back to the latrines at the rest stops. Dearborne needs cleaning!