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• 1. othello | January 27th, 2009 at 1:47 pm

  DSG said it all when he compared aoun to a circus cyclist…he has to keep pedaling to keep his balance…

  you see aoun uses the offensive defense strategy…he keeps attacking people so as not to allow them to attack him back or to dig deeper into his promises…actually promises he never even intends to fulfill..

  in an objective way, look over all his promises from his earliest days…not a single one was fulfilled…and it was always “el 7a2 3al tenyin” …

  to get back to topic, aoun sees Sulayman as a real threat for the following reason:

  1- many of aouns followers come from the military community who back in 89 saw in him a real savior and the chance to have the military regain some of its power that the militias had taken up.

  2- needless to say that aouns latest actions have done everything but give back to the military their rights…any solution with HA keeping its weapons is basically a thumb to the nose to the military in Lebanon as it is removing from them the exclusivity of being armed…and we all know how this screwed us up in 1969 after the cairo agreement…incidentally it was another general who signed it : emile boustany and he was also being promised the presidency

  3- many in Jbeil-Kesserwan resent aouns atatcks on Bkerki and the Church…and truly regret having voted for him back in 2005

  4- those same people that voted for aoun out of hatred for the LF or resentment towards them today see slaymen as a SAFE ALTERNATIVE… I mean these people will never vote LF hence their choice of aoun back in 05…today they saw what he really is and since a valid alternative is there, they will take it

  all this is whats driving aoun crazy…

  and of course his allies in M8 since aouns loss would mean no more christian coverage for their maneuvers…recall the aoukar demo????

  even their syrian masters have started to worry hehehehehehe

  lets hope they let the elections be…

  10 to one we will have another kidnapping of IDF soldiers or launching of some raad or zilzal (and they will later come say it was istibe2iyi)

• 2. Ziad | January 27th, 2009 at 2:41 pm

  I am with Aoun this time. No place for “Wasatiah”.Either M14 or M8. Why should M14 support a supposedly neutral person like Murr?or Mansour el Bon? or Hnain in Baabda??M14 should have closed lists in all provinces that ONLY INCLUDE M14 MEMBERS. Some will say we can’t beat Aoun with pure M14 lists, we need the support of independents. I say let it be. Let us loose. Christians are very well aware that if they vote Aoun they are voting for the return of the Syrian influence in Lebanon. They know it very well and Aoun is not hiding it. If they vote for Aoun it means THEY WANT THAT INFLUENCE BACK, and they believe it is good for Christians, and that Aoun will be able to control it for the benefit of Christians. Aounis are not fools.They know very well they are in the Syria-Iran-Hamas camp. So let it be. Maybe they are right this time and we are wrong! Let the war be clear, with 2 opposing factions: Those who want Lebanon to be ruled from Lebanon and those that want to have it ruled from Qum, and yes, in this battle the inbetweens have no taste and color. I agree with Aoun.

• 3. LF France | January 27th, 2009 at 2:44 pm

  I agree with ziad

• 4. lebanonhsh | January 27th, 2009 at 3:25 pm

  One crazy man driving all of you insane….lol..and the insanity of the whole thing is that all what you can do about this crazy man is only not to vote for him

• 5. Fuziyad | January 27th, 2009 at 3:58 pm

  Ziad, there is no in betweens …the centrists are let’s say moderate and non partisan march 14ers…aoun is right on that part it’s just an electorate trick…and actually in my view some of these “independant” figures are even more representative of the cedar revolution than the official ones as they represent the renewal for which we have taken the streets in 2005. That move was allready used in the actual government with many on official march 14 holding the march14 portfolios.

  The independant candidates are a nightmare for march8 as in most of the cases they don’t fit in the corrupt warlord bla bla image they managed to put on march 14 and when it comes to the serious stuff, stuff that matters like for or against IT, for or against jibril military bases, for or against launching war on israel when gaza under attack, for or against HA invading beirut ect…those independants will naturally side with march14, again nothing new, we’ve seen it with charles rizk, elias el murr and tarek mitri in the governemnt of the second independance…

  Of course march8 is clever enough to know that this centrist block will cost it a lot thus they will fight strongly…may be some assasinations in the cards…Michel Suleiman allready had his…

• 6. Cyprus | January 27th, 2009 at 5:11 pm

  sara7a 2refna from all this stupidity happening in Lebanon….. is it possible that we have nothing to do in life other than looking who will have majority in the parliment in the next election?

  everything in lebanon has turned to political even relation between a man and his wife has political affect. look arround of you, everything is political: TV programs, Theatres, advertisment, songs… and even religions!!!!

  What a shame which we deserve it.

• 7. Delta | January 27th, 2009 at 5:15 pm

  a question can Gen Aoun still run for pres in 6 years ?

• 8. othello | January 27th, 2009 at 7:08 pm

  Ziad, guys…

  you seem to forget that there are people who hate the LF yet not enough to side with Aoun…

  Those people tried siding with the mad man in 2005 and saw where he took them…they thought back then he was a solution and were unaware of his evil schemes.

  I don’t think that a native of Kesserwen or Jubail will stand and let anyone insult the Patriarch the way Aoun has been doing…

  furthermore it is important to understand that a Christian in M14 would have to be either with LF or Kataeb and there are some people who do not want that hence the need for an intermediate solution..simple.

  I don’t see why some people refuse this?

  I mean aoun would refuse it because quite simply he is seeing the Christian vote going away from him in those regions and thus he fears that HA will return him to the trash can when they see he can’t provide them with the Christian coverage they need.

  but why should others refuse it ??? I have had many talks with real neutral people…for them, although they support M14’s agenda, they do not like to be labelled Kataeb or LF for many reasons which might or might not be justifiable…

  today, Gen. Slaymen is a person who is proving that he truly wants a strong, independent and free country.

  He has been put under the test several times and has managed to come out with flying colors.

  Why not strengthen his position further and give him real power to govern the country??????

  and what happened to Aoun’s will to stregthen the Christians politically??? does he not realize that his actions are undermining the president’s powers???

  I will add this, Slaymen would also be taking votes away from the LF yet we support him fully because for the LF it has never been and will never be about how many seats we have or about positions we might gain…it was always about the BEST SOLUTION FOR THE COUNTRY…

  Dont you think it would be in the LF’s best interrests if there was no Slaymen parliamentary group??? if we were to talk brass tacks and 7sebet el 7a2li, any MP gained by Slaymen is theoretically lost to the LF…yet we support the guy…

  many might not understand this but if they started to view things under the real angle they would…and that angle is simply: THE LF’S MAIN GOAL IS PEACE AND STABILITY IN A STRONG INDEPENDENT LEBANON…

  our duty first and foremost is to uphold and defend this country and not to gain a seat here or a position there…

  look at the rush of candidates in the aounist camp…many are seeing aoun as a bus they can hitch a ride on to get to parliament…

  anyways this is my 2 cent on the matter…

  yes for a moderate block and yes for a strong president with a voice in the parliament.

  enough undermining the guy and wanting to pull the cover all for ones self…

  if we stop this egocentrism we would be able to build a country

  peace

• 9. Patrick | January 27th, 2009 at 8:18 pm

  i think “centrist bloc” is really code for the “president’s bloc” (regardless of what sleiman said recently), and that is why aoun is scared. it probably has the same vision for the state as march 14, but it’s centrist instead of march 14 because neither the president nor the candidates were ever aligned with march 14, don’t wish to be aligned with people perceived as divisive, not to mention that they probably disagree with march 14’s way of talking with the other side, with major march 14 decisions (removing the airport security chief, threatening to dismantle HA’s telephone network by force, etc), etc.

  if that is the case, i think aoun is just scared because the centrist bloc appeals more to disillusioned FPMers, ex-SLA, other march 8 christians who have a strong connection to the army and the ISF, independents, shia who are against HA/amal, etc much more than to anyone in march 14.

  i don’t welcome it, because i think if you have the same vision for the state as march 14, then you should join forces with march 14, regardless of differences, but at the same time if aoun feels threatened, i’m not going to attack it.

  HOWEVER, i remain suspicious, as there is still a chance they could inhibit us from achieving certain goals, esp with regard to HA arms. in particular, i reject all this talk of bringing HA arms under army command, because the decision making is still in HA’s hands, and they are only under army command by consent (not actual army control, such as the army has over a particular unit, for example), ie, as long as it’s in HA’s interests and the government/army doesn’t do anything that pushes HA to abandon the agreement and accuse the government/army of being the ones to abandon it first. you either agree that HA should keep their arms or you don’t.

• 10. ili | January 27th, 2009 at 8:45 pm

  No delta, your question should be can 3aouwn still go to the toilet without direct help from anybody after 6 years!

• 11. ja3far | January 27th, 2009 at 9:55 pm

  wawe Patrick is even commenting about the centrist bloc… am impressed

  u know patrick., some of your posts are really amazing; i do always wonder, do you get payed by post or on monthly bases ?

  u know with the economical crises am little worried to loose u

• 12. Patrick | January 27th, 2009 at 10:45 pm

  ja3far,

  if only the u.s. government really would waste money to pay me to respond to a no-name HA supporter like you

• 13. ja3far | January 27th, 2009 at 11:08 pm

  Patrick… no wonder u have economical crises

• 14. Doccc1559 | January 27th, 2009 at 11:23 pm

  Rodge

  Welcome back ! It is always good to see you around. I was worried about you

  Anyway, Will there be a centrists lists in bchareh ??
  What is the position of the Centrists regarding: Syria ? Israel ? PL weapons? Hezo*** ? and the list goes on and on..

  I

• 15. Doccc1559 | January 27th, 2009 at 11:23 pm

  Rodge

  Welcome back ! It is always good to see you around. I was worried about you

  Anyway, Will there be a centrists lists in bchareh ??
  What is the position of the Centrists regarding: Syria ? Israel ? PL weapons? Hezo*** ? and the list goes on and on..

  I

• 16. Doccc1559 | January 27th, 2009 at 11:31 pm

  Rodge

  Welcome back ! It is always good to see you around. I was worried about you

  Anyway, Will there be a centrists lists in bchareh ??
  What is the position of the Centrists regarding: Syria ? Israel ? PL weapons? Hezo*** ? and the list goes on and on..

  M8 has the support of syria, Iran and Qatar.
  M14 has the support of KSA,egypt (ya3ne moderate lool) KSA ktirrr moderate at the end of the day..

  we have yet to see those WASSATIYIN and the agenda behind them. . Only then we can understand their position…

  Our history shows that there was never WASSATIYIN in lebanon.

  Ps: look in what areas those wasstiyin lists are promoted , ma tkhaf al general we3ilun ya rodge…

• 17. Doccc1559 | January 27th, 2009 at 11:33 pm

  Rodge

  Welcome back ! It is always good to see you around. I was worried about you

  Anyway, Will there be a centrists lists in bchareh ??
  What is the position of the Centrists regarding: Syria ? Isra_el ? PL weapons? Hez_o*** ? and the list goes on and on..

  M8 has the support of syria, I_ran and Qatar.
  M14 has the support of KSA,egypt (ya3ne moderate lool) KSA ktirrr moderate at the end of the day.. lay mata badkun tdalu tid7aku 3la 7alkun..

  we have yet to see those WASSATIYIN and the agenda behind them. . Only then we can understand their position…

  Our history shows that there was never WASSATIYIN in lebanon.

  Ps: look in what areas those wasstiyin lists are promoted , ma tkhaf al general we3ilun ya rodge…

• 18. F.A | January 28th, 2009 at 12:35 am

  both othello and ziad are 100% right…
  ziad,
  I think ur solution is a good military one, because ut will be one way or the other…and khallsouna ba2a…
  othello,
  you r more political, and ur judgment is accurate…
  I think the problem in this issue are the 14 of March defending them…which makes the wasatyin wonder, and think that those are also “hidden” members of 14 March.
  It would have been great if both 8 and 14 were against them, and let the people chose!

• 19. Doccc1559 | January 28th, 2009 at 12:47 am

  F.A

  Wassatiyin played their cards too early. Fada7u 7alun..

• 20. Ziad | January 28th, 2009 at 5:31 am

  Othello,Christian M14ers on this Blog:
  If the majority of the Christians are going to vote (knowingly, and let’s assume they are not “stupid” or “brainwashed” as we always do)for the return of the Assadi influence to Lebanon,and for Lebanon to Join the Malali-Baathi-Mich3ali axis, just because they had to pay LL5 monthly to the Ouwet back in 88, or because bint el jeeran ra7it khatifeh ma3 wa7ad az4ar min el Ouwet back in 89,so let it be.Khalas, we have to admit, we deserve no independent country.We better be ruled from the likes of Rustum or yama7la Rustum next time around.And if these independent Christians will vote Murr and Not Nassib, or some Nawfal guy in Jbeil and not S3aeed because of both Nassib and S3aeed are in the same group with LF and Kataeb, then kiss the Christian presence in this country bibi.
  Dont spend time on trying to trick the independent Christian vote with Wasatieh, let it be clear M8 or M14, and let him choose.

• 21. nora | February 19th, 2009 at 4:32 am

  he hates himself thats why he cant worship others… m3a2ad w marid as simple… kenet 3e2det 7ayeto l ouwet sar 3endo 3e2de tenye “ketle wasayte” w akiiiid akid akid l ouwet wel hakiiim…

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