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Let us refuse the Presidency

Posted by Rodge

What I want to say in this post may disturb some people, and others may not like what I have to say or may not agree with me, but I decided to talk about this issue to see other people’s opinions in this and to have a sane trade of ideas (please).

Before I say what I have in mind, I should emphasis that I’m a Christian Maronite and very proud to be, so I’m not trying to undermine any of the Maronites rights here.

 

BUT, and in time people are asking why we have that much of traitors among the Christian politicians in Lebanon, and mainly on the Maronites scene, I find in my humble thinking that the main reason for that is the Presidency chair, and the dream which invades nearly every Lebanese Maronite head since his birth of becoming President (including myself), and we have many samples to prove it, unfortunately bad ones.

LOOK AT OUR HISTORY, it was and still full of differences between Maronite leaders, if anyone still remember the “Nahej” and the “Hilf” (النهج والحلف) in the 50s and 60s, and later in the 70s and 80s (Sleiman Frangieh vs Lebanese Front leaders), passing on to the late 80s and 90s with Michel Aoun and le petit Sleiman, arriving to Elias Hrawi, Emile Lahoud and Michel Sleiman among others.

All those named here and others were and still are ready to do anything, whatever it is, to become Presidents, or even to extend their stay in Baabda.

They have launched wars after wars (aka Aoun), destroying the country (aka Aoun, Lahoud), dividing the Christian community (Aoun, both Frangieh the grandfather and le petit), selling themselves and their people to anyone who can help them to get the chair (Aoun, Frangieh, Hrawi, Lahoud, and more than 1000 others), change their beliefs and principles (Aoun, Lahoud, Sleiman), and to commit murders (Lahoud), everything for the chair.

 

So, and as a result, I Rodge the Lebanese Maronite from Mount Lebanon, clearly ask everyone concerned to take away this position from Maronites for God sake, or else we will keep on killing each others.

In fact, we should ask ourselves what our former Presidents have achieved for us by sitting in that chair?? Nothing, most of them haven’t done anything special for us, in fact they hurt us a lot, look what Lahoud did, see what Aoun did and still doing, both Frangiehs, Hrawi, and maybe Sleiman in the future.

Personally I prefer a Kurdish coming from anywhere in this world to be President IF he will make my country better and serve it with loyalty and faith and ensure us a better life, and make me and other immigrants think of coming back to Lebanon.

 

Eventually maybe it is better for us to have another chair, maybe PM or speaker of the Parliament, they are more effective, look at Berri for instance, he was ruling the country for the past couple of years, refusing to open the parliament and keeping the key of all the solutions with him.

 

In conclusion, I want, and I think you all do, what is best for Lebanon, no matter who will bring it, because IF we can’t have a GOOD and STRONG and POWERFUL Maronite president (like BASHIR or maybe DSG or anyone who could be strong enough), a president that we can elect with our own will and not by the others’ agreements, why would we need that position?? Let us refuse it, maybe we’ll live in peace and unity after.


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Posted by Rodge on 10.28.08 @ 11:11 am |

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  • 1. Ra'fat | October 28th, 2008 at 12:11 pm

    Rodge, good post my friend. But I humbly disagree, the problem is in the water and the air we breathe, if you take away the presidential post we will most definitely still find ways to kill and maim each other, because that my friend is the Lebanese self destructive way. We are nothing but a shallow people that loves pissing matches and hate to lose because that would explain that we are not the best. Until we understand that we are not God’s gift to man, but rather just regular people trying to get buy and there are smarter and better people out there, we will still kill each other over these pissing matches. We don’t a presidential chair, a frickin poster will do!

  • 2. Michele | October 28th, 2008 at 12:18 pm

    I would consider what u suggested n i said only consider but definitely not for the same reason; in any religion n sect u will find traitors n back stabbers. Lebanon history does unfortunately have bad records on Lebanese Maronites achievements but does as well have good ones.

    I was once told by an Jewish Israeli, if we the maronites put all our greed n differences aside n unite as one force we would do wonders in Lebanon n even defeat Israel (not on political basis).

    I can’t see how we can handle any other function especially that nowadays being a PM or a Speaker of the parliament have more influence n power than being a President. Would our muslim fellows accept in rotating functions?

    It is indeed ya Rodge an interesting polemic subject n i look forward hearing what would other say…

  • 3. Rodge | October 28th, 2008 at 12:33 pm

    Well Ra’fat & Michele,

    You both have raised good points there, and I thank you for sharing your ideas and adding good things to the discussion, and I’m also looking forward to hear other opinions.

  • 4. Jim | October 28th, 2008 at 12:36 pm

    Do u guys know y they killed suzan tamim may her soul RIP? because she had a bad video of hariri, well atleast shabaib l tayyar on onw of the facebook groups, thts wht they were tellin each other lol!!!

  • 5. danny | October 28th, 2008 at 1:35 pm

    Rodge,

    You have opened the door to a discussion about a truly democratic state. One man one vote. I am for totally non secterian democratic state with a Charter of rights and freedoms enshrined in the constitution. That will be the best hope for the protection of minority rights and freedoms.
    To achieve that we have to have Lebanon cleansed of all guns! Until then we’re talking about giving up positions in a ludicrous game of musical chairs…
    If people had the freedom of choice; I like you; would not give a damn if all the three posts were occupied by people named: Hassan, Steve and Lee Chang!

    ….again we cannot pick and chose. No such thing as half pregnant! Either a total freedom of choice or like Ra’at said we’ll use the same idiocy of killing each other and using excuses to justify them!

    Lebanon has become like a brothel…The highest bid takes the whore(pols)…

  • 6. Extremist | October 28th, 2008 at 4:22 pm

    My friend, after taef agreement, everything changed. The presidential chair is simply a place where it appears in protocols and summits.
    There’s nothing wrong if each Maronite dreams of being President since his childhood although I am not Maronite but the problem is that the candidates who are usually running for such positions don’t have the sufficient specs to represent the Christian Society the way it should be.
    Nabih Berri was chosen by the Chiite Political Power.
    Fouad Sanioura was chosen by the Sunnite Political Power.
    What about Michel Sleiman? He was the consensus candidate of the Christians,Sunnites,Chiites,Druzes and political powers in Lebanon.

    This country was built to be sectarian even if we don’t want to think this way.
    Maronite Era … Sunnite Era … welcome to the Chiite Era !!

    El Mouhem enno Mneb’a

  • 7. Delta | October 28th, 2008 at 5:06 pm

    RODGE THAT SHOWS one thing that our nation lost its values and all what we need is values not too loose the presidency spot all what we need is to choose the right persom for it not all these sub mans that are never from the first rank

  • 8. ja3far | October 28th, 2008 at 6:37 pm

    rodge, good post, even if i deisagree with the names of course :) .. but i do agree with rafat and delta…

    you guys have traveled the same way i did.. you know how much our perception and view to things have changed after leaving lebanon…someone had always put in our head that we are the best people on earth.. but no one have told us what kenedy said.. dont ask what your country can do for you ask what you can do to your country…

    my friends, i dont think it is something related to maronites, shias or sunnies… it is something related to the lebanese shatara…

    we call our thiefs shatreen… we accept it with little governmental employees while giving them all rachao, and then wonder why when these people become in a high position they are like that…

    sadly
    Kama takounou youwala 3alaykoum..

    salam

  • 9. N10452 | October 28th, 2008 at 7:45 pm

    Rodge cheel the presidency they ll fight over something else :-)

  • 10. Rodge | October 28th, 2008 at 11:48 pm

    Thanks for all the guys and girls who contributed in commenting on this post, and what I loved the most is that the level of debate seems so high, and everyone of you is bringing a good addition to the subject.
    We can disagree, but we could still respect each others, and I think that’s what we want here, because everyone of us represents somehow the future of Lebanon, the future we all need and want.
    I can clearly say that Danny u’re right, Ja3far u’re right, N10452 u’re right, Delta u’re right, Extremist u’re right, of course i’m agreeing on things mentioned in ur comments, and you did agree with some of what I wrote, maybe not all of it, but I think we can have an understanding on some things, we don’t have to disagree on everything just for the sake of disagrement.
    So let’s continue in this spirit, and let us hear other opinions, it will be a motivation for others to raise many issues here that can be discussed in a civilized way.

  • 11. LF Forever | October 29th, 2008 at 12:43 am

    Nice argument.

    Having the presidency is the face of our country “only”.

    The sad things is that it is choiced by all religious in Lebanon and not by the Maronites!

    I think the president has to be nominated by the Maronite Patriarc or the League. Than there is no bull shit around! hope…

    Anyway wonderful argument.

  • 12. Cartman | October 29th, 2008 at 1:06 am

    Extremist, your#6

    (Maronite Era … Sunnite Era … welcome to the Chiite Era !!

    El Mouhem enno Mneb’a)

    that is the best line i read in a long time…beautiful.

  • 13. Rima | October 29th, 2008 at 2:52 am

    Rodge
    It is a very thought-provoking post. But as yu said iza hal kirssi manzar baleiha! Khoussousan innou jame3eit HA 3aynoun 3alaya already!

    Just few points to mention:
    1-Berri was acting like a thug: the parliament is not his own property so he can close it and open it as he wishes

    2-President Sleiman was unconstitutionally elected coz there is nthg called tawefou2 ..If so then the other two positions, the chief of parliament and the prime minister should be also bil tawefou2 among all religions

    In this case one might question the need for elections

    3-I agree with you Rodge who cares what is the religion of the president IF he is honest secular and pro-lebanon

    Cheers

  • 14. Mickel | October 29th, 2008 at 3:37 am

    Instead of fighting each other, maybe they should fight everybody else to make the president matter again.

    This position is a joke, and you’re right we don’t even need it; it’s supposed to symbolize the Christian strenght and it’s not even controlled by christians.

  • 15. Anonymous | October 29th, 2008 at 3:37 am

    I agree with you Rodge (une fois n’est pas coutume) bass naza3ta bel ekhir… SG president ?! Baleha ya sheikh…. Bashir 3ala rasna mn fo2… bass SG ????
    Wala houwwe wala Aoun byestehalo yshemmo ri7eta lal kersé ya zalamé wou inta bta3rif hal shi ktir mni7

  • 16. Che | October 29th, 2008 at 6:56 am

    Let’s not forget our history! Without a strong Christian identity Lebanon has no meaning for Maronites. Historically, all eyes were on Lebanon as the passage to the Levant. Back to the Ottoman empire the dream was to suppress and annihilate the Maronite Nation in order to pave the way for an Islamic Lebanon as part of the Ottoman empire. If it wasn’t for Maronite Nationalists like Youssef Bey Karam, our great grandfathers would had been proselytized into Islam, and today I could be bending over in some mosque.

    Why do you think we had the 1943 unwritten National Pact? If it wasn’t for the pact, we the Maronites would also have been proselytized into Islam.

    The presidency was always in the eye of the storm. It was stolen from us, metaphorically speaking, by the Syrian regime with the connivance of Lebanese traitors (and the list is unabridged starting with Aoun) – traitors who basically dreamt of undermining the unwritten National Pact until we the Maronites finally give up as I witness and read the hopeless comments on this blog.

    Today, the drive is being spearhead by Hezbollah, the number one enemy of Lebanon and specifically the Maronites. Their hatred toward Samir Geagea is an indirect hatred toward Maronites. Hezbollah is a racist party at best.

    What we need is a strong Lebanese Ideology nurtured by a strong entity like the Lebanese Forces. With a good structure, the Lebanese Forces can easily infiltrate the Maronite society, and establish itself as the “protectorate” of the presidency whose goal is to not only serve all of Lebanon and its citizens equally, but first and foremost to insure the short-term and long-term Aspirations and Will of the Maronite Nation that has been the beacon of light in this cursed region.

  • 17. Michele | October 29th, 2008 at 7:20 am

    Jaafar amigo, it was btw said by Jibran Khalil Jibran, then used by Kennedy.

  • 18. Rodge | October 29th, 2008 at 9:15 am

    It seems that Rafi Madayan solved the mystery of all the assassinations in Lebanon:

    http://www.annahar.com/content.php?priority=5&table=kadar&type=kadar&day=Wed

    Is this guy for real?? I didn’t know he had a full investigation institution.
    Again, he gave us the result we heard for many years, it is Israel and its intelligence.
    Well what about Syria Mr. Madayan?

  • 19. Rima | October 29th, 2008 at 9:52 am

    ouf Madayan sahih el habal bi waje3!!!!

  • 20. Michele | October 29th, 2008 at 10:03 am

    This is the 2nd time that i’m ashamed to be half armenien:
    1st time when Tashnag supported z imbecile Aoun n now this!!!!!

    “Aboush Madayan”!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  • 21. Rodge | October 29th, 2008 at 11:03 am

    What Madayan said proves how much the Syrian intelligence is infiltrating among some Lebanese politicians (if we can call this guy a politician).

    I was once talking to George Hawi’s brother, Dr. Nabil, who is a very respectful journalist and Academic working here in Kuwait, he told me that he was surprised about the twist Rafi had by selling his soul and denying the heritage of the late George, he told me that the whole family, even his mother (mother of Madayan and widow of Hawi), is condemning his statements.

  • 22. danny | October 29th, 2008 at 2:07 pm

    Michele,

    Madeyan is a useless has been before even he started in politics. He had thought that he could ride his stepfather’s; George Hawi’s coat tail…We know that did not work. As for Tashnags they represent a sliver of Armenians although their mafia style operation befits Lebanese politics…

    Do not be ashamed of being half or full Armenian…It is important that you are Michel.

    The history of the Phalange and LF and Ahrar were filled with patriotic Lebanese of Armenian origin who stuggled mightily against the PLO and others along the way…

    Cheers

  • 23. Michele | October 29th, 2008 at 2:18 pm

    Danny, thank you :)

    Batchig ;)

  • 24. danny | October 29th, 2008 at 2:34 pm

    Now i like that

  • 25. Michele | October 29th, 2008 at 2:39 pm

    Ooooooooooooooooooh!!!!
    So u understand armenian?

    Hé hé hé, therefore batchig (bis) ;)

  • 26. danny | October 29th, 2008 at 2:48 pm

    Funny…

  • 27. ja3far | October 29th, 2008 at 3:16 pm

    ya 3ami niyelak ya danny :)

  • 28. Doc1559 | October 29th, 2008 at 5:27 pm

    Respect for political diversity is somehing that has to emerge from within a culture. The lebanese maronites will have to through an awful self conflict to give birth to their ” dream prsident”. The arab Muslim world will have to go through the same war of ideas before they come toghether, thats if they ever come toghether!!!!

    Uunfortunately, The christians in lebanon are not holding their ground at this time and are no longer in control of their decisions (i.e daw7a presidential call for michel sleimen). And his is not surprising to me, looking at the maronite presidential history is a disaster , they have been living under the rules of ”rule or die ” ya3ne either my group is in power or im dead(BG),in prison(SG), in exile(GMA) or lying very low (Hraweh) and the list goes on.

    It is time for all the Christins in lebanon to come toghether (I hope they do for the good of lebanon), indeed they are the same ppl , they are alike, they eat the same food, they dress alike. Why not be united then? Come on , lets all meet as equal muslims and christians for a stronger lebanon.

    At last, Chritians and muslims should rethink their decision on whether they should have someone like M.sleimen in the office or a strong patriotic candidate like GMA!! GMA for a united lebanon.

    ******Off topic, ya michele ya banout , you should never be ashamed of who you are (19), You failed me again baby :)

  • 29. paul | October 29th, 2008 at 7:20 pm

  • 30. danny | October 29th, 2008 at 10:05 pm

    Ali,

    You meant for a strong pathetic candidate like GMA…

  • 31. Rodge | October 29th, 2008 at 11:40 pm

    Ali,

    Good comments and I hope you mean what you said about ur wishes for the Christians.
    But again ya Ali we cannot agree on Aoun, I mentioned him as one of the people who caused or contributed in our bad situation.
    I’m not asking you to agree with our ideas, or to support what we believe in, but please how are you still seeing him as patriotic and for united lebanon, he can’t even accept to unite christians, in fact he’s a divider.
    Didn’t he fail you yet? he didn’t achieve a thing, and he has proved to be the same as the other politicians, and it is the least someone can say about him if he is a fan.

  • 32. Michele | October 30th, 2008 at 7:52 am

    Alloush, just like Rodge, i liked the beginning of ur comment but really naza3ta at the end!!!! GMA for presidency??!! i thought u were for uniting all Lebanese together; how would the christians feel when Aoun elected when he does not represent them but represent only the shia’a?

    Therefore ya Alloush no batchig for u :(

  • 33. danny | October 30th, 2008 at 1:32 pm

    Michel,

    Keep those precious batchigs PRECIOUS…

  • 34. Michele | October 30th, 2008 at 2:19 pm

    I totally agree Danny, this is why they are r exclusively reserved to u.

  • 35. danny | October 30th, 2008 at 3:19 pm

    …now I’m blushing

  • 36. Anonymous | October 30th, 2008 at 5:05 pm

    Michelle & Danny… get a room

  • 37. Doc1559 | October 30th, 2008 at 11:46 pm

    Danny

    Call him whatever you wanna call him. The strong is always attacked .

    Rodge

    I have been super busy to comment on this blog, but thank you for responding back.

    I always mean what i say and i say what i mean. In our present days there is alot of hatred division among christians in lebanon and this is not a healthy sign for their future. CHRISTIANS NEED A HEALTHY DIVISION where they can all agree on their goals and principles,but still have different opinions on how, when and who’s going to apply it (democratic election). The call for one and only one CHRISTIAN man to do the job is unfair and undemocratic. Simply, you just cant have one guy to do it all w ma t2ileh bashir la2ino bashir ken 3ndo enemy as well. Ya rodge , you guys are OK bass I hope you’ll let go the hatred min baynetkun.

    At last, You the LF are looking at aoun from the wrong way. Someday, you’ll see it from another stand of point and then you’ll understand ;) where was DOC1559 coming from.

    Michele

    Aoun doesnt have to represent all the chirstians in order to be a president! Chu osstik? Walaw, lebanon is a democratic country ma hek? As long as my General is representing the majority then we should have no prb. Again, having one and only one guy is undemocratic..

    Come on baby ;) dont be mean to me anymore AND cheer me next time :P

    Thank you chabeb & sabeya

  • 38. danny | October 31st, 2008 at 4:21 pm

    Ali,

    Based on your logic DSG is the strongest…It seems a day does not pass whereas manar and OTV does not attack him. lately your little illiterate boy SF… It is a daily colourful rythmic ritual… Yellow/Orange/teal…

  • 39. Michele | October 31st, 2008 at 7:43 pm

    Trust me Alloush, i’ll cheer u the minute u say something smart…

    Your General is far by being representing z majority unless u r considering the shia’a being the majority in Lebanon n i really don’t wanna go there in discussion.

    Trust me big boy, z minute u guys stop pumping mal al nazif to him he’ll stab u in z back, n he’s quite known for that!

  • 40. Doc 1559 | November 1st, 2008 at 3:56 pm

    Danny

    I dont watch al manar nor otv, i dont have them anyway. But lemme tell you smtg my freind, DSG will never be the strongest and recent MATEN election was the perfect proof, GOT YA . Cry me a river now ..

    Michele

    Oh baby , keep talking, I love hearing ” big boy”, I hear it all the time ;) all night every night !

    Listen girl, whether you like it or not habibte , M aoun does represent the Majority! 2ino ma bta3ti 52% of the christian votes? 2insseh the 73% theory , i am just saying 52% according to the maten election ya3ne.

  • 41. Doc 1559 | November 1st, 2008 at 3:59 pm

    Michele

    I am sorry if I offended you :)

  • 42. danny | November 1st, 2008 at 4:40 pm

    Ali,

    Now you are really on drugs! are you taking your meds on time? recent Metn election proved that your Orangebutt could not get elected without the Armenian 10,000 votes…as well as Murr’s 4,000 votes…as well as…4,000 shias and “nice syrians” who were bused in to vote for “seyed nas”…Ohhh I forgot the owmieh…

    Little boy, get back into your crib. If you have anything factual please go ahead and rebutt…But, that’s asking too much from you I guess…Good night and don’t let the bed bugs bite!

  • 43. ja3far | November 1st, 2008 at 4:58 pm

    danny… the non christians who voted in al maten where 2605 votes out of 6450 voter of shia, druze and sunnies. these 2605 voted 1472 for khouri and 1133 for jumail. ( from markaz beirut lilab7az wal ma3loumat )
    someone who we never have heard of , and i still cant remember his name won over the one and only president amin al jumail with all the emotional power he used due to the dead of his son… that do say a lot…

    salam

  • 44. danny | November 1st, 2008 at 5:29 pm

    #43 I stand corrected on the Non Christian votes…How about the rest ole boy?…or you want to ignore them? You know better that we’ll all be laughing at the rancid orange by May 2009…We’ll talk then. Until then you guys are barking up the wrong tree…

  • 45. ja3far | November 1st, 2008 at 9:00 pm

    lah ya danny lah.. i thought we were talking about the christian votes …oun and allies against jumail and allies … dont tell me you meet with the president amin al jumaiel with his famous racist speech against al arman after his loss…
    3ayb ya man…
    salam

  • 46. Doc 1559 | November 2nd, 2008 at 6:30 am

    Thank you ja3far for answering danny. And danny, GMA is a lebanese leader not only a christian one!! Ya3ne awme , chuyou3eh, chi3eh, murr, arman, sunni, 3lawe, druz , kilon bissawtulo ;) mich machkal!!

    Accept reality ! GMA : LEBANESE LEADER ! SG: MINORITY LEADER!

  • 47. N10452 | November 2nd, 2008 at 9:14 am

    Doc 1559,
    Aoun is Lebanon’s biggest liar, if accepting that lying and deceiving the largest group of Christians is something you are proud of .. khaleelak ye iza hek ..

    And keep dreaming about GMA being a national leader loool …bitzakkerne bi haydol li keno yi2ouloule kel el islam ma3 Aoun bass ma bye7ko .. ana ba3rif sa7be hek ..

    eh wou el san3a 3anna bit7ebb el Hariri .. sarit Ethiopia ma3o ??

  • 48. N10452 | November 2nd, 2008 at 9:16 am

    And ja3far,
    Concerning Amine and his speech, there is nothing racist about it and Armenians (Tashnaq) deserved that speech and more ..

  • 49. Michele | November 2nd, 2008 at 9:31 am

    Doc, if ur apology is sincere i’ll gracefully accept it…

  • 50. danny | November 2nd, 2008 at 3:05 pm

    Ali,

    Jag off…You are still on drugs…You are supposed to be studying medicine not taking them….



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