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• 1. Ziad | October 6th, 2008 at 1:46 pm

  Wait and see the next car bomb exploding in a symbolic Christian area (Jounieh), planned and executed by the Syrian Mukhabarat and driven by a bearded Sunni extremist of the same breed the Syrian Mukhabarat were and still send to kill the innocents of Iraq.Objective is clear: Elie and Antoinette you better vote Aoun and Hizbulla as they will protect you against Sunni terrorism.
  Most of the Sunni militants in the north openly declare their loyalty to the Assad family and are officially members of the M8 group, like Munkara,Yakan and Shabaan, while we still have the moron Aounis claiming that Hariri(ofcourse, thru Michel Azze on FTV) is the father of Salafist militants.

• 2. danny | October 6th, 2008 at 1:54 pm

  R,

  Excellent opinion. Syria’s misadventure is a trial balloon testing international waters to see if they can use the pretext of salafist qaeda extremists to retake Lebanon.

  They figured; failing that they’ll intimidate the Christian population and scare them of the imminent danger of Salafists and the Syrian wrath! Yes it is partially for the elections. You can see the miniture general blowing smoke and attacking sunnis and seniora in particular in tandem with the Syrain maneuvers while Raad of HA voicing that Lebanon’s and Syria’s security are interdependent.
  This is all aimed in creating a sense of panic and fear from the sunnis.
  Of course they are playing on the fear of the Christians from the ‘majority” sunnis and looking into the “minority” shiites (HA) as their protection of minority Christian existance and rights.

  I am not defending the Sunnis against Shiites…However, they all have played an integral role in creating this imbalance and fear as everone including the martyr Hariri who encouraged the sale of Lebanese Christian heartland to his kin and brethren in the gulf region…

  Finally, I still see that DSG has exhibited honesty and intgrity that is foreign to the Lebanese way of thinking and conspiricay laden culture!
  I hope that the LF would put out an election platform of social and economic changes or visions to separate themselves from the Bovine Scatalogy of the rest…

• 3. T | October 6th, 2008 at 5:22 pm

  Ziad read this Thread

  http://www.lebanese-forces.org/vbullet/showthread.php?t=34789

• 4. Ra'fat | October 6th, 2008 at 5:38 pm

  Rodge, I grew up in Tripoli and it is my home town. No offence to your sources but you are pretty far from the truth. The town has been and will always be a hub for muslim extremists. It is getting worse, that is true, much worse. The Syrians had their foot in the extremists behind, but once the syrians left it was business as usual for these guys. The main question should be: is the disturbance coming from these groups, well I think not. These people are not right in the head but more or less learned their lesson, all the poison is coming from the camps, that is where the militant extremists live and survive. They might be aided by a few here and there in Tripoli but the camps are the root cause.

• 5. Rodge | October 6th, 2008 at 6:19 pm

  Ra’afat,

  You have just proved my case.
  We said the same thing but differently, since i meant the armed and violent extremism which is only fed by the Syrians and the camps as you’ve said (once the syrians left it was business as usual for these guys).
  Of course extremism in mind and thinking is another case, and I know many people from all religions who look moderates but are so fanatics when it comes to religious thoughts and traditions etc…, including Christians.
  Anyway, thanks for elaborating on my idea.

  Danny & Ziad
  I totally agree with both of you.

• 6. Cartman | October 6th, 2008 at 6:21 pm

  Bravo ya Rodge, well done.
  your opinion and the opinion of many on this blog always upset me, it’s always strengthening the division of the Lebanese people and spreading hatred instead of unity.
  but today i say bravo, because i just changed my strategy in fact it should actually make me happy, as a person who disagree with you, it should make me happy to see people like you living in total ignorance of their surroundings, for example the threat of extremist in the north, you say it’s a hoax…just because of your hate to hezbollah and aoun. great, keep living in denial my friend
  your denial is making it easier for all of us who disagree with you, you are paving the way to your extinction,

• 7. Emile Ghoul | October 6th, 2008 at 6:37 pm

  Let the Syrians have Lebanon-at least the Syrian Sunnis and Alawites arent killing the Shiites. I think Assad is more stable that Nasrallah, and we are now fools all over the world that other countries have Nobel Prize winners and we have Kuntar as our hero and everyone is laughing at us.

• 8. Rambo | October 6th, 2008 at 7:06 pm

  only naive will blame everything on Syria. The world is already talking about Qaeda bases in North Lebanon. Maybe if you go back to the New Yorker magazine and read about the link between Hariri-Saudis and the new terrorist cells in Bekaa and the North.

• 9. ja3far | October 6th, 2008 at 8:07 pm

  Rodge… i liked your introduction :”I had some discussions with many people who know well the area of Tripoli in particular and the Sunni areas in North of Lebanon in general, among them journalists and experts in Lebanese and Arab Politics from different religions” if i dont know little about the subject i would have taken everything you wrote for granted

  just want to add few things to your researches:
  -the islamists militants in tripoly had roots since the 80s

  -the extremists who fought in doniyeh…

  - lot of resources and jihadies web sites linked fateh al islam to al quaeda ( of course al mustaqbal resources are more trusted especialy ali himadi :))

  -no one is saying their is a big army of al quaeda there at the moment… but dont forget that al quaeda work in small groups.. remember the groupe who made the 9/11?

  - do you know that one of this groupe came from lebanon

  - how many person do you think is needed to make attacks as the ones made against the army in tripoli? 3? 4? 5?

  - do you know how many times did al zawahiri mention lebanon in his lateset speeches?

  - the extremists who invaded achrafieh in revenge for denemark .. or you deny that this accident ever happen?

  - the extremists that the lebanese jails are full with … do they exist?

  - do you know how many of these lebanese went to iraque to fight with al quaeda

  -if a fatwa comes to those sweet extremists you are mentioning to go and fight the crusadors.. what would they do? ( do you remember the lebanese army man who shot 10 of his colleagues 4 years ago bcause an imam who studied in the gulf famous country told him the christians were koufar?)

  - the HA are trying hard to open to harriri becuse they know he is the moderate and there is plenty of extrmists in the pictures..
  this is little of too many…
  sometimes the truth is just facing your eyes .. no need to create a big plot to believe in…

  salam

• 10. Rodge | October 6th, 2008 at 8:55 pm

  Cartman & Ja3far,

  You really amazed me with your replies.
  I will say it once again, and i’m sure of what i’m talkiing about, there is no real threat as some Media are trying to promote.

  I don’t want to get into debate that will not lead to anywhere with you, eventhough i’m ready to answer anything and everything, but I just want to give an example, or maybe few examples:
  - Kuwait, Qatar, and Bahrain, they are 3 Gulf countries full of extremists, both Sunnis and Shias (mainly in Bahrain), and the Qaeda tried a lot to recruit some people in these countries, but did they succeed?? of course not.
  what i’m saying is that we should see the difference between Salfists extremists fanatics from one side, and between Jihadists form the other part.
  Of course there are some people who came from Lebanon and fought in Iraq or elsewhere, but can anyone give me their number or rate among Lebanese, we hear everyday about Jihadists killed in Iraq, Afghanistan, Pakistan and other places, how many Lebanese are among???
  In return we hear everyday about Syrians, Algerians, Moroccons, Saudis, and others.
  You guys are looking for few cases that are exceptions, in return sometimes you accuse Hariri of being supportive to extremists, and other times as you Ja3far said, HA is trying to open to Hariri who is moderate. So please make up ur mind.
  Your last sentence is similar to what i’m trying to tell you.
  Ur HA is the one responsible if the extremists grow up in Lebanon, Syria is the one who is trying to raise the issue because they are afraid, and because they have some plans as usual.

  Last,
  Cartman, how did you find what i say as dividing?? I’m not trying to defend anyone, i’m just telling the truth and trying to remove this ambiguity over the subject.
  Just let the Syrians leave us alone, just make the dialogue as successful by forcing HA to abide by the Lebanese state, and then tell me if you will see any extremism coming from Lebanon.

  Salam for all

• 11. Rodge | October 6th, 2008 at 8:57 pm

  Rambo,

  You said “only naive will blame everything on Syria”. I’m not blaming everything on Syria, but in return “only naive never see or refuse to see, or maybe refuse to recognize what Syria did or still doing to hurt us.

  Enough for now.

• 12. ja3far | October 6th, 2008 at 9:11 pm

  rodge… 200,000 lebanese family are inter married between sunnies and shias… you can take my word that more then half of my family is mixed ( with few marriages to christians even.. can you believe it ?;))… so the moderate sunnies are not a real issue…
  you cannot compare kuwait and quatar to lebanon… everybody knows that one of the main causes to go to the extremist is the pauverty and the frustration which is available to a big extent in lebanon…
  you cannot denny that when the families of fath al islam people left they contained people of several nationalities mainly saudies… these people will not fight for syria ..
  the thing is there is al quaeda groups in lebanon… the size is exagerated? may be… but why dont you think it is the other way around… harriri media is denying any news about their existance so that the christian dont get afraid of his party?

  salam

• 13. paul | October 6th, 2008 at 9:18 pm

  Bin laden must be a very poor man

• 14. ja3far | October 6th, 2008 at 9:27 pm

  paul … al chawaz la youlghi al ka3ida

• 15. paul | October 6th, 2008 at 9:34 pm

  al chawaz ? we have very different informations

• 16. Anonymous | October 6th, 2008 at 10:05 pm

  Syrian story… So if I understand correctly dear Sir, sunni salafists are innocent people just trying to lead a quite family life raising kids and playing soccer, going to the movies from time to time. And all the intelligence reports saying that Tripoli has become the new Kandahar, and Al Qaeda has transformed it to its new promised land is just bull crap ? Two bombings and tens of deaths is just an illusion I presume ?
  I understand LFers desperately want to defend their new so called allies (Future Movement)but this has reached a level of stupidity which can no longer be overlooked. Your ally Saad Hariri has been playing with fire for too long now, and he has finally burned his own fingers. I don’t know if it’s on purpose, out of stupidity, out of ignorance, or a little of all…but the fact remains that now the gate of hell are opened and it’s useless to blame it on the syrians the israelis or satan himself… These guys are now a reality and we’d better get our act together and eradicate them before before they do something huge (9/11 like), because afterwards regrets will be useless. Either we act now or reap the consequences of our stupidity. As far as I am concerned the Syrians have nothing to do with all of this, they are themselves overwhelmed by the situation and even more affraid than we are.
  The time has come for the christians to break all these new and stupid alliances (hezbollah, future movement, PSP) and unite in one front, like the Lebanese Front back in the 70’s to face this new threat. Compared to this new enemy, the Palestinians, fatah and yasser arafat are choir boys.
  …and I still go to LF.com and tayyar.org and see those two idiots insulting eachother and digging in eachother pasts…
  Al Qaeda in Lebanon will only mean one thing: the end of the christians in Lebanon.
  So… wake up and stop blaming people left and right. the enemy though invisible is VERY well known, and those who helped him are also known.
  I always said it (unfortunately our friend N10452 always censored me)…tayyar el mostaqbal is the biggest threat to Lebanon’s christians, and I was unfortunately right.

• 17. fad14 | October 6th, 2008 at 10:20 pm

  How big can the salafist threat be ???
  How bad can Qaeda be in Lebanon ???
  How strong can those fanatics get ???

  Can they Invade Beirut and go Unpunished ???
  Can they Shut down TV stations and steal the archive ???
  Can they kill a prime minister, and couple of other ministers and refuse the investigation ???
  Can they launch war on Israel and hide between civilians ???
  Can they control the airport ???
  Can they invade the center of the city for almost 2 years and stop businesses from Running ???
  Can they have their own communication network ???
  Can they have ministers ???
  Can they have their own Dahyeh which is blocked against the police and the army ???
  Can they stop the parliament for 2 years ?
  Are they protecting the thieves and drug farmers in Beqaa ???
  Do they control 1/2 the country ???
  Do they dictate who your next president is ???

  The list is really really long but we got used to the shit, we don’t mind the smell anymore.

  I am not saying the Qaeda threat is not worth noting or worth fighting, but What are you comparing to what ?????

• 18. Rima | October 6th, 2008 at 11:12 pm

  Rodge

  Good post…Do you think that Syria is trying to revive or support extremists to scare HA?

  By the way it is so funny when Jaafar talks about moderate sunnis…does he think HA are moderate?

• 19. ja3far | October 6th, 2008 at 11:13 pm

  fad14 … ya3ni that only useful thing of what you wrote was :”I am not saying the Qaeda threat is not worth noting or worth fighting”
  the other do pause questions and are interesting to look through:

  who did kill harriri? are you saying that HA killed him? is saed going to meet the killer of his father soon?

  are you saying the biggest political party in lebanon is not allowed to have ministers because he does not follow your agenda?

  are you saying that you can eleminate the shia from the ministry for two years and they are not allowed to demonstrate?

  did you forget that when more then half of lebanon demonstrated against your ali baba prime minister the mofti called for the sunnies rights and these people repected him and did not go inside the ministry?

  did you forget that when mofti al shia asked your ali baba saniora not to remove the officier from the airport saniora made his decision at 4 AM like any nioght thief do and did not respect the request of the mofti of the shias?

  do you know that more then 60 % of the farmers in bequaa are sunnies?is it HA who is protecting them now? can you give a reliable rsource for that? or is it the ali baba saniora who did not take a decision to remove them not to upset them the same way he asked the military forces to allow people to bring fuel from syria in an illegal way?

  do you think next time we go in war against israel we should use the civilian houses in sunnies villages or in cities like saida and beirut to make your propaganda work, the way palestinians used to do? and the way zawahiri is asking?

  did you forget that your ali baba mafias has been steeling the country since tens of year in allience with khadam ( who is still a very welcomed guest on future tv) and kannaan and been trying to control all the contry since three years?

  finally.. beirut is ours, we did not need to invade here… it needed some cleaning that sukleen wasnt good enough to do…

  salam

• 20. Rima | October 6th, 2008 at 11:28 pm

  Jaafar
  “did you forget that when mofti al shia asked your ali baba saniora not to remove the officier from the airport…”

  UMMM do you think Berri will take orders from the Sunni mufti? If so why don’t we let the muftis run el balad?

  Khadam represented Syrian interests at that time…So why did HA cover the Syrians? Did you forget shoukran souriya when Syria was kicked out of Lebanon?

  Finally, Beitut is not “yours” and will never be…you will see

  Cheers

• 21. ja3far | October 6th, 2008 at 11:40 pm

  rima… there are symbols for each religion… when batrak asked people not to go to presidential palace because it is something for chrisitians people want… when mufti asked people not to go to saraya because it is sunnist place people want.. and same for the others…

  regarding beirut … things dont come just by wishes
  salam

• 22. fad14 | October 6th, 2008 at 11:53 pm

  Ya Ja3far ya Habibi

  I never named Hizbulla or the Shiaa when i wrote my reply, or mentioned Sunnis or Shiaas.

  But since you opened the subject:

  1. Who is a slave to Syria and Iran and has the biggest weapon depots in Lebanon ??
  2. Biggest political party ???? are you referring to March 14 or March 8 Minority ???
  Note that - Political is not equal to military
  3. No one eliminated the Shiaa, they chose to leave to object the tribunal and the investigation (not for any other reason whatsover)
  4. Demonstrate = 1 or 2 days and let people work after that. Close shops and ruin tourism is vandalism and riots.
  5. If you dared to touch Ali Baba, we would have seen a lot less of you in the gulf and other Sunni countries.(not because of the mufti)
  6. We all know what happened to Mosa Al Sader and we all know what will happen to those who follow his tracks
  7. Prime minister can remove officers. Shiaa clerics can sticks to what they do best, Celebrate Ashoura and look for their 12th imam, maybe where Mousa al Sader went.
  8. Baalbek and Hirmel are 60% sunnis ???? Since when ???? Did you get there recently ??
  9. Worse, you hide in Christian Villages and then wonder WHY doesn’t Israel invade them ????
  10. Ali Baba Mafia stole the 40B$, what about Amal, Jumblatt, Hobeika, Qandil, Franjieh, Murr, Emile Lahoud, Skaff, Karami, Hizbulla ???? Are they all innocent ????
  Haram Berri is so poor, he needs his job to eat food end of the month.

  And finally for Beirut, you need to clean it from Sunnis and Christians ????

  Its not yours in history, its not yours in land, its not yours in the people who live in it, its not yours in its culture, its not yours in its heritage and its not yours in its future.

  Arafat thought he can own it by force, so did the Israelis, so did Kataeb, so did the Syrians.

  Beirut can’t be ruled by guns, and we all know how all of them left. Read history or wait to watch it happen again.

• 23. Rima | October 6th, 2008 at 11:54 pm

  Ya Jaafar shou bena walaou inta azka min heik

  There is a big difference between religious figures asking people to do or not to do sthg and between giving orders to the government?
  This is the ABC of democracy…Ah I forgot, you don’t beleive in democracy but you still vote!!!!

  Regarding Beirut, sure it is not about wishes…yu will see

  Cheers

• 24. Delta | October 7th, 2008 at 12:21 am

  it dioes not matter how big and how true the salafist are i do agree with jaafar and lets say he is wrong chu 3am ya3mil il geich wayno hal hayawen ra2is il joumhouriyeh yin2ebro yi3lno ta3bi2a bil chmel wynadfou iza its real ino ma fi salafist 3alla chu khiyfenin ? ynadef il geich il chmel lech ma byotlob il sanyoura min wazir il dife3 ya3mil tomchit bil chmel w search and breach ……

  walla hayalla ilna ma fi salafists min wen farakh fath il islem iza min souria ok tab sar 3ina lech ma mnichhatoun walla mich fade il sanoura ???????

  chabeb khalas ba2a 2oulo il ha2i2a harire zalame mi3tedil wsanioura kamena bass milhiyin bi ichya ktire whatin libnen warahoun.

• 25. Delta | October 7th, 2008 at 12:23 am

  wlaw ba3ato il geich 3alla il jnoub ma ken sar fi chi ismo hizballah that i sthreatening the whole country same thing all movements starts small but it grows like a seed in a fertile soil bad2koun ti2na3ouni ino il chmel is not a fertil soil for extremist laken min herabna nihna il sinna il mi3tedlin ???

• 26. ja3far | October 7th, 2008 at 12:53 am

  fad14 … people show what there is really in there heart when they are angry… still i dint think you will go as low as making fun of my religious believes though… i wonder when you are going to declare iben taymiye fatwa and start massacring us…
  any way i will not go down as low as you are..
  just two points..
  be sure that this is not 1982 and kuwet was not able to remove 100 shiite who were moaning moghniye…
  and your leaders will stay waiting in rows in saudi begging for money as they always do and they way they were doing two weeks ago as…these beggers dont deserve beirut…

• 27. Cartman | October 7th, 2008 at 12:59 am

  fad14
  “I am not saying the Qaeda threat is not worth noting or worth fighting, but What are you comparing to what ?????”
  what are u comparing to what?? really ??
  do u really not see a difference between the Hezb and the extremist towel heads,
  u know what? may be the extremists should grow for a while in lebanon so you and people like your self see what will happen, see if you can safely go watch a movie or take your wife to dinner any where in beirut.
  south lebanon is 99% shia and sealed and safe from extremist, bte3ref min ra7 yekela bil sormeye? beirut, your beirut eza badak ya fad14, so ya reit byekbaro el wahabieh wel salafieh ba3d shway min shen tet3alamo dars ma tenso be7ayetkon wyeseer fikon w bi beirut taba3kon aktar ma 3am beseer bi baghdad.
  khalikon 72edo, ad ma fikon, w khalo m3alimkon yed3amon la hool ad ma fii.

• 28. Anonymous | October 7th, 2008 at 1:03 am

  Syrian story… So if I understand correctly dear Sir, sunni salafists are innocent people just trying to lead a quite family life raising kids and playing soccer, going to the movies from time to time. And all the intelligence reports saying that Tripoli has become the new Kandahar, and Al Qaeda has made it its new promised land is just bull crap ? Two bombings and tens of deaths is just an illusion I presume ?
  I understand LFers desperately want to defend their new so called allies (Future Movement)but this has reached a level of stupidity which can no longer be overlooked. Your ally Saad Hariri has been playing with fire for too long now, and he has finally burned his own fingers. I don’t know if it’s on purpose, out of stupidity, out of ignorance, or a little of all…but the fact remains that now the gates of hell are opened and it’s useless to blame it on the syrians the israelis or satan himself… These guys are now a reality and we’d better get our act together and eradicate them before they do something huge (9/11 like), because afterwards regrets will be useless. Either we act now or reap the consequences of our stupidity. As far as I am concerned the Syrians have nothing to do with all of this, they are themselves overwhelmed by the situation and even more affraid than we are.
  The time has come for the christians to break all these new and stupid alliances (hezbollah, future movement, PSP) and unite in one front, like the Lebanese Front back in the 70’s to face this new threat. Compared to this new enemy, the Palestinians, fatah and yasser arafat are choir boys.
  …and I still go to LF.com and tayyar.org and see those two idiots insulting eachother and digging in eachother pasts…
  Al Qaeda in Lebanon will only mean one thing: the end of the christians in Lebanon.
  So… wake up and stop blaming people left and right. the enemy though invisible is VERY well known, and those who helped him are also known.
  I always said it (unfortunately our friend N10452 always censored me)…tayyar el mostaqbal is the biggest threat to Lebanon’s christians, and I was unfortunately right.

• 29. Rima | October 7th, 2008 at 1:11 am

  what about the American-Lebanese military committee signed by el Murr to support the army…

  Guys the army is targeted just because it is a military threat to existing military parasites…that simple but it is hard for people to beleive simple things in life

  Jaafar Maaleich you are teh last one to talk about lining up on teh Saudi doors…the Iranian doors min shou bi yeshkou…

  Regarding Fad, you pushed him to the limits so what do yu expect?

  Cheers

• 30. danny | October 7th, 2008 at 1:55 am

  Guys,

  We were having an intelligent debate till some of you decided to notice the rat in the corner…

  Do not answer to people who are incoherent racist pigs with no sense of history.

  It seems our mukhabarati farsi agent has lost its nerve. Moo heyk ya sammy?

• 31. Cartman | October 7th, 2008 at 3:19 am

  Ya N, khalina 7elween, and easy on the replies blocking man.
  i just discovered this blog not too long ago and i was actually very excited that here are a bunch of guys and girls sa7 enno kil wa7ad min ma7al w 3a2leto b ma7al bas at least we’re here talking and discovering our commons and differences and maybe at least thru blogs like this we come together and understand each other little better for the sake of our future and the country.
  so, chill out man and easy on the censorship.

• 32. Cartman | October 7th, 2008 at 3:44 am

  fad14
  “I am not saying the Qaeda threat is not worth noting or worth fighting, but What are you comparing to what ?????”
  what are u comparing to what?? really ya fad14??
  do u really not see a difference between the Hezb and the extremist towel heads,
  u know what? may be the extremists should grow for a while in lebanon so you and people like your self see what will happen, see if you can safely go watch a movie or take your wife to dinner any where in beirut.
  south lebanon is 99% shia and sealed and safe from extremist, bte3ref min ra7 yekela bil sormeye? beirut, your beirut eza badak ya fad14, so ya reit byekbaro el wahabieh wel salafieh ba3d shway min shen tet3alamo dars ma tenso be7ayetkon wyeseer fikon w bi beirut taba3kon aktar ma 3am beseer bi baghdad.
  khalikon 72edo, ad ma fikon, w khalo m3alimkon yed3amon la hool ad ma fii.

• 33. Rima | October 7th, 2008 at 5:08 am

  Danny

  I totally agree with you but should we let these types pollute the truth on this website?
  Remember many people read this blog and do not reply so it is worth refuting the enemy’s allegations. What do you think?

  Cheers

• 34. fad14 | October 7th, 2008 at 7:52 am

  Cartman,

  Dream on,

  Hizbulla remains the biggest threat to the existence of our country, biggest threat to its diversity and the biggest threat to freedom.

  If it was Qaeda targeting the army, how come they don’t claim it ???

  Are they proud to target America and declare it but afraid of the Lebanese Army ???

  Biggest stash of weapons remains with Hizbulla and the Palestinian camps supported by Syria.

  This is where the shit comes from, call it Fateh el Islam, call it ballouta, its Syria and Hizbulla. Along with Aoun, they are the only people to take advantage of what is happening.

• 35. Rodge | October 7th, 2008 at 10:12 am

  For those who are defending the Hizb democracy, Ja3far in particular, did you forget what happened to Moufti Ali el-Amine, who was one of the few Shias figures who dared to follow a different ploiticsd than ur Hizb.
  What happened, they threw him out.
  Is this how we should treat our Religious figures?? despite our differences.
  It was an example for Aoun and Frangieh to follow with Patriarche Sfeir, but they couldn’t, because they don’t have the power of Hizb.
  And you talk about “mousharakeh”, you should first except it in ur own society.

• 36. ja3far | October 7th, 2008 at 10:30 am

  Rima… smahili fiya… Fad was very angry few days ago when some people made fun of a picture of a mosque. which is at the end a groupe of stone… he went demonstrating in al achrafieh to burn the ambassy of denemarque because someone there made a caricature of the prophet.. no one allowed to approach his believes but he think he can make fun of the religious believes of any one else…typical..
  what logic are you telling me about?
  follow al sader step and you will see what will happen to you? ma we have been following his steps since 1978…and we are very pleased…
  he defend the prime minister by saying that the others are thiefes too… ma ..ikhtoun kilon then …
  he cannot diferentiate a party from a group of parties demonstrating..
  he didnt know that the prime minister wasnt able to moove the officier..
  ino ma3lexh.. smahouli fiyee..

• 37. fad14 | October 7th, 2008 at 12:06 pm

  I am not defending religion ya Ja3far.

  I was disappointed by the attitude of Delta and Johnny that day and didn’t threaten to kill them or bomb them or even insult them.

  My God can defend himself, my prophet can defend himself and doesn’t need me to do that.

  I was not even pissed off what happened in Denmark, you can always express yourself in whatever way you want as long as its peaceful. What happened in Ashrafieh was shameful and disgraceful.

  My prime minister is your prime minister, democratically elected (appointed) by your ministers and your parties. If you don’t like him, wait for the next election and change him. Don’t close the commercial center of the country so you can have your orgies and sell your hashish.

  I am not defending the prime minister or the late Hariri, but stop saying Sunnis are thieves and that we took 40B$. If Hariri did that, he did it along with the rest of the political ruling parties (Shiaa Specifically) and we got nothing out of it just like you.

  And for a last note. Qaeda is really so small compared to Hizbulla, I mean you are almost 50X bigger and stronger than Qaeda and you can’t be touched since you are hiding between the rest of the civilian population.

  Next war habibi, go South and free shebaa and don’t go North hiding in Tripoli.

  If you felt my remarks are insulting you, please put them on a frame and read them everyday, it was a pleasure insulting you.

• 38. Ziad | October 7th, 2008 at 1:33 pm

  Hizbulla is running a country within a country with its security,finance, communications,economical, and social independence. They are openly anouncing their submition to the crazy Walie al Fakih sitting in Quom and yet we have some morons worried about few Al Qaida members that can do isolated acts in the north or wherever. Each and every country in the world has Qaida operatives that bomb themselves up from time to time, but can never be viewed as a threat to the mere existence of the country as is Hizbulla and its Syria masters to Lebanon.Certainly the government can and should go after any terrorist threat coming from Qaida or whatever, but the real threat to the Lebanon we all know is coming from the fact that a powerfull party like Hizbulla is simply an arm of the Pasdran willing to go all the way for the interest of their iranin masters.

• 39. ja3far | October 7th, 2008 at 3:43 pm

  your are funny Fad… you present the same attitude of johnny that day …
  why would i feel insulted by you being so low and by your illness?
  in the contrary .. i pray allah yechfeek…

  salam

• 40. ja3far | October 7th, 2008 at 3:51 pm

  rodge… there is several shiite oposition parties in the south…th american ambassador try to visit them every now and then.. no one is touching them…
  al amin is another story… he had a position given by al majless al shiee al a3la… so he have to obey there policy other wise he will be removed from the official position like any other normal institution…

  salam

• 41. danny | October 7th, 2008 at 3:51 pm

  Rima,

  I believe in educated and logical debate backed by facts; not bullshit brainwashing materials that polluters and idiots like sam believe in. He is not worthy of your anger or attention!

  If sammy was to offer coherent points instead of the babble that he spits out regulary then I might agree with you. I hope thousands of people of different opinions do read and contribute to this site and posts…However, we cannot go on answering/debating a fool who swears and dumps his crap on this site!

  Sorry for taking this long to answer you.

• 42. Rima | October 7th, 2008 at 4:05 pm

  Danny

  Thank you. I will take your advice seriousely. I am tired of reading twisted and incoherent opinions.Better focussing on more important events and ideas than being carried away by empty debates.

  Cheers

• 43. Rima | October 7th, 2008 at 4:11 pm

  Rodge

  By the way, I hope we can read more posts from yu in the future. Good work

• 44. fad14 | October 7th, 2008 at 4:14 pm

  Ja3forteh

  I didn’t know you pray to Allah, I thought you worship Nasrallah and Ali Ammar and Mohamad Fneish and your new Imam Aounallah.

• 45. Patrick | October 7th, 2008 at 5:14 pm

  I consider the threat from khomeinists and salafists as equal, nevermind how many weapons hezbollah has and how few weapons tripoli and the palestinian camps have by comparison. and i do not distinguish between salafists and jihadists:

  for several reasons:

  - any salafist can become a jihadist overnight, all it takes is his imam to call for jihad.
  - even if he doesn’t blow himself up, all it takes is an angry friday sermon about how the christians are koufar, and he will go and do some crazy shit, even if it’s small by comparison.
  - even if he doesn’t do any of the above, he still supports the jihadists and the violence on all levels, great or small, and therefore he contributes to the problem and perpetuates it.
  - he gives $$ to armed salafist groups, or to his mosque or another organization which in turn gives $$ to armed salafist groups.

  AND:

  - while you and your christian brothers and sisters will probably have 3 children, the salafists will have 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, nevermind multiple wives… combine that with massive christian emigration, and you see how quickly khomeinists + salafists = sharia law will come to lebanon one day, all because of numbers and strength and a blind eye from the christians who say “no, we’ll never let that happen…” you’re already letting it happen!

• 46. ja3far | October 7th, 2008 at 5:24 pm

  fad… it seems you need lot of prayers to recover… poor thing…

  salam

• 47. Rodge | October 7th, 2008 at 6:16 pm

  Rima,

  Thank you so much, I appreciate what you’ve said.
  In return, i can say the same about ur contributions here, they are adding an impressive touch to the comments.

  By the way, and while apologizing for being late in answering ur question in #17 “if Syria is trying to revive or support extremists to scare HA”, well I don’t think so, because they have other and better options for that, also they have Iran on their back.

• 48. Rodge | October 7th, 2008 at 6:26 pm

  Ja3far,

  You said “there are several shiite oposition parties in the south, the american ambassador try to visit them every now and then.. no one is touching them”.

  Where are those people, we never heard of. don’t tell me you’re counting every citizen who have some friendly relation with the Americans as opposition.
  Those people u’re talking about consider the same volume of Sunni fanatics in the north.

  What I don’t like about the religious figures in both Sunni and Shiites, and I apologize for that, is they are puppies in the hand of the politicians, so now Hizb and Amal are dominating the majlis shii a3la, while Hariri is dominating dar efta’.
  So we the Christians are proud to have our figures taking an independent stance, regardless if we agree with them or not, and that’s why Aoun and Frangieh are trying to fight the Patriarche, they want him to be a follower.

• 49. paul | October 7th, 2008 at 7:46 pm

  Patrik,i agree but you must also take into account that those people are frustrated and poor…ask ja3far

• 50. Delta | October 7th, 2008 at 8:15 pm

  fad 14 i think you should give jaafar the same respect ur asking for and about me making fun of the picture i dont see any neccesity in putting a mosque picture on a christian blog , still i laughed at jhonny comment and thought it was so much him, if u felt insulted you could hang it on a frame and keep reading it everyday it was a pleasure insulting you.

  second al kaeda is not a smaller threat than hizbullah its bigger .

  third you are making fun of the dudes religion but you refuse any one to touch yours? fasserle ?????

• 51. ja3far | October 7th, 2008 at 8:58 pm

  kbeer ya Delta

• 52. Delta | October 7th, 2008 at 9:29 pm

  ja3far we are taught in the bible that if our brother is wrong not to defend him and if our enemy is right to acknoledge that

  i wish u a good day

• 53. Cartman | October 7th, 2008 at 9:44 pm

  Fad14
  “Hizbulla remains the biggest threat to the existence of our country, biggest threat to its diversity and the biggest threat to freedom”
  Fad, I would love for you to explain to me and every body how hezb remain the biggest threat to the country, to it’s diversity and it’s freedom, go head my friend convince us.

  Ma you just said that heb has the biggest stack of weapons, true.. and hezbullah has been the biggest party sha3biyan w 3askarian..since the early nineties, almost 20
  Years ya fad hezbullah been on top…the strongest , and guess what? your country still exist and will never die, your country is more diverse today than ever, and the last time I checked Lebanese citizens enjoy more freedom than the Americans.
  W ma te7kini bi e7telel Beirut la2eno haidi ossaa ma ela zamen wel 7arb 3al hezb is way older than the latest incidents w ba3dein la ma3lometek elli feto 3a beiruit were bunch of thugs min kill el tawe2ef. w mish hezbullah. Hezb bas falaton shway.
  And please don’t start talking about closing down downtown, Lebanon is 10425km, and not only the few restaurants and coffee shops bil balad, yalli tawashto fihon el 3alam.
  Fi bi libnen w ma 3am e7ki ta2ifieyeh hala2, fi manatae2 ba3d ma wasela water or electricity ya fad bi senet 2008, 3eib, w ma3 leih eza tzaharet el3alam.

  When your country was being destroyed by the ISRAELIS, and all the big nations were gathering in Italy to discuss a solution, all the world wanted ceasefire except condi rice insisted on the war and kept shipping smart weapons and the like to your enemy and she came to Beirut before people were even buried and was very welcomed and had lunch with the government cabinets…aya lebneni 3indo shwayet karami ma bye2bala 3a 7alo. W ba3do la hala sanoura prime minister.
  Kan lezem yseer aktar min li sar bikteer ya fad. So shkoro rabkon 3ala tool bel el 7ezb 3alaikon.

• 54. ja3far | October 7th, 2008 at 9:56 pm

  khaye Delta… you follow an ethical rule of conduct… i have to admire that .. even if we are opponants in politics … we are brothers in humanity

  salam

• 55. Cartman | October 7th, 2008 at 10:07 pm

  And to every body who is bothered by the hezb’s weapons,
  Please for just a minute put your religion or sector on the shelf and think about this,
  What if a a Lebanese citizen just like you could be sunni, druze shia’a, chatholic, aw shi wa7ad kefer ya khayi, lives in a village on the Syrian border w kil shway byejo el soriyeen enter his house w bye3malolo atle, and his own government cann’t protect him, each one of us who is living in a more safe zone should actually help this guy buy a gun protect himself and his property, 3am ni7ki enseneyan. And not fight him for it.
  Wlak even in the united states beside the fact that they have the biggest military in the world and no one will ever dare touch the states, they have the national guard, it’s a militia, consists of citizen soldiers and not linked to the pentagon, to be used in case of military leadership failure to protect the land.
  The problem is not the weapon, the problem is that we don’t trust one another and act as Lebanese brothers and sisters.
  If a group of people have bad intentions, they could cause a lot of damage and destruction and killings with just a house knife my friends.
  W salam

• 56. ja3far | October 7th, 2008 at 10:07 pm

  Rodge… you know .. there are several players in the shiite play ground… like ahamd al assad ( tayyar al kafaat, ) baydoun, zein, the communists…

  however, since the 2006 war, the shiite felt threatened in there excistence ; which made them unite around the combination nassrallah berri in a way that had never happened in there history…

  i have to admit that this is everything but healthy in a normal situation..i hope this threat will be reduced and there will be more diversity in the political parties in our environment… for the sake of the shia first and libanon next..

  moreover, as long as am doing self criticism ( following the steps of few writters in this blog ):)i do admit that you are right…

  for centuries lot of muslim cliricks were used by the kings, khalifas and presidents to control people .. same way it was used in europe which made marcks say religion is the drug of people . it do varis in extent .. but i do agree with you.. they can be a very bad desease…

  salam

• 57. Ziad | October 7th, 2008 at 11:07 pm

  Hey Cartman.
  Iran is not giving Hizbulla $1b a year so that they defend their villages, liberate Shiba and bring back the Kontar. Hizbulla is simply a branch of Pasdaran that serves Iranian interests only.If you are so naive to think otherwise then good luck to you and your super bright Aouni comrads.

• 58. Rima | October 8th, 2008 at 1:04 am

  Fad

  Lebanon without modern muslims,like you, whether shiaas and sunnis has no future at all.

  There is no future for Lebanon in the presence of HA…It is not in the Arab or West interest to leave Lebanon prey to Iran…military support to Lebanon is no more a myth

  Unfortunately,people start beleiving what HA and Syria want them to beleive …It is written in the bible :
  “Why do you look at the speck of sawdust(2she) in your brother’s eye and pay no attention to the plank(khachbeh) in your own eye?”

  That applies on HA and the alleged jihadists or whatever in the North…

• 59. Delta | October 8th, 2008 at 1:50 am

  great exemple ya rima yislam timik alla yihmike thanks for sharing

• 60. Cartman | October 8th, 2008 at 1:52 am

  ziad, please tell me where is the iranian interest in all this mess, the only interest there might be is if israel thinks of attacking iran which is very unlikely to happen since the US and israel never and will never mess with a strong nation as iran., hezb will probably threaten to attack from the south…thats it, and this is the least the hezb could do to pay back the lebanese debt to the iranian people who helped liberate lebanon…your country.

• 61. Delta | October 8th, 2008 at 3:36 am

  CArtman iranian people help to liberate my country f..k you nooooooooooooo iranian people helped the invasion of lebanon we the lebanese by our own blood kicked isreal and syria and iran and reformed the palestinian presence in lebanon we owe no one nothing but all the word owe much people like you should be ashamed to speak we dont owe these iranian dogs nothing they owe us the destruction of all south lebanon and half beirut they owe us 1376 lebanese during the lst war we dont owe no onemaybe u do but i dont do not share ur deot share your treasures brother.

  Dumb people gets to me on this blog

• 62. Delta | October 8th, 2008 at 3:38 am

  world* owe us* last* dept*

• 63. fad14 | October 8th, 2008 at 6:45 am

  You are right Delta.

  Ja3far I am sorry that I went down to your level, I promise to be more civilized when i refer to you and your people.

  Rima: I am not a modern Muslim, I am a Lebanese first and I will support country before religion.

• 64. Rima | October 8th, 2008 at 6:48 am

  Fad

  Sorry for saying Modern Muslim…but I think yu know what I mean

• 65. Michele | October 8th, 2008 at 7:19 am

  He he he!!! I come back n nothing has changed.. Ja3″fart” is still full of ***!

  On another subject, i couldn’t stop laughing when i heard this morning on the news that funnily Lebanon is the only counthry that has not been affected by the global economical crisis…

  Is that good or does it simply mean that we are indeed an under-developped country?

• 66. Rima | October 8th, 2008 at 7:36 am

  Hi Michelle

  Welcome back

  Regarding your comment: Leich HA and Co khallou shi issmo economy?

  Cheers

• 67. Michele | October 8th, 2008 at 7:58 am

  Cheers indeed ya Rima!!!!!

• 68. Michele | October 8th, 2008 at 8:04 am

  Speaking of which, Rima i just came back from the UK n couple months ago from z US; i had hard time to convince the English n z Americans that i was 100% Lebanese. They thought that Lebanese should look a lot like Hezbollah; then i had to explain to them that Hezbollah people are not Lebanese; they don’t represent our culture nor our beliefs…

  Somehow i was happy that i have somehow contributed in rectifiying the Lebanese image abroad

• 69. Delta | October 8th, 2008 at 8:14 am

  fad14

  i love that sentence ill support country before religion we should all do the same its the way to go

  god bless

• 70. Rima | October 8th, 2008 at 12:56 pm

  Lol Michele…Ya3tikki el affiye…

  they are right my friend the true image of Lebanon is being replaced by this ravaging expansion of HA/Iran culture…However I still beleive that this won’t last forever coz anything that is built on inequity is doomed to fail.

• 71. ja3far | October 8th, 2008 at 1:09 pm

  Delta …religion and country dont oppose each others ..but complete each others.. you know very well that god ask us to help each other and to protect our families and give them a good way of life.. this is done only through a strong and healthy country ..

  the problem is not the religion itself but al ta3assoub in the name of religion while not practecing it..

  i will recall what you took from the bible that if our brother is wrong not to defend him and if our enemy is right to acknoledge that..how many person in our country take such a basic religious lesson into consideration?
  just read through the comments on this blog and you will understand what i mean…

  salam al rab brother

• 72. ja3far | October 8th, 2008 at 2:13 pm

  fad14… ” كل إناء بما فيه ينضح ” … no need to appologise, you didnt hurt me ..if you want to be sorry , feel sorry for yourself, the same way i feel sorry for you… your animal side is much stronger then your human side … you are doomed .. poor thing..allah ye3eenak

  salam

• 73. fad14 | October 8th, 2008 at 3:33 pm

  Protecting families !!!!!!!!!

  Kidnap 2 soldiers and let 1200 other die

  W hassouna bil 2om 2om and the rest hareebeh kal Ghazal.

  * Fire rockets for liberation of Shebaa and let the rest of the south suffer the consequences. Protecting Families !!!!

  * Remove an army officer from the airport, so lets start a blood bath in the rest of the country. Protecting Families !!!!

  * An investigation into terrorism, object it by stopping the center of the capital for 1 year. Protecting Families !!!!

  * 1/3 mou3ateel !!!! One member of Hizbulla in the government is like 1/3 Mou3ateel, especially that big mouth Ali Ammar, he is enough la Y3ateel Mich Majliss Wouzara, Biy3ateel Mouzahara 3a heik Manzar w hay2a.

• 74. Rima | October 8th, 2008 at 3:47 pm

  Fad
  I like yur answers…just Mattal 3ala el meicheh:

  Yalli bi yeikoul min iid el sultan baddou yihereib bi sayfou…hayde ousset HA: They are A BUNCH OF MOURTAZA2A

  Cheers

• 75. ja3far | October 8th, 2008 at 3:52 pm

  N… why did you block my previous answer to Fad?

• 76. Michele | October 8th, 2008 at 3:59 pm

  Ya Fad bitfechllé khel’é all z time, u and Danny!!!!

  Poor Ja3″fart”, he really stands no chance wz u guys!

• 77. ja3far | October 8th, 2008 at 4:03 pm

  fad… the history didnt start yesterday…look into the history of lebanon .. and of the south ..of palestian .. try to deduct and learn…
  as you believe in the country, try to go out of your 2om 2om and go to the south ( as it is a part of lebanon ) … try to go out of your narrow mentality and mix with the families there … then may be … if god give you some of his mercy and open up your eyes you will see how much these families adore HA… because he protected them when no one else dared too…when your beloved fatfat humilated our uniform and ordered the lebanese soldiers in marje3youn, who were under the interior ministry command, to give tea to the running invadors..( to show al karam al loubnani …)while the lebanese army was giving martyrs everywhere else to mix there blood with our holy soil…
  i wonder why no one here talked about the american banning weapons to our army two weeks ago? how is our army suppose to defend the south then?

  salam

• 78. Michele | October 8th, 2008 at 4:18 pm

  Well i hate to disappoint u (no actually i do) Ja3″fart” but as i already told u b4, my aunt is married to a shi’it from the south and as a good shia family they had 9 kids who got married to other people which makes me related to a big shi’a family in the south…

  Flash news cowboy, my huge family shi’a from the south hate the guts of Hezbollah!!!!

  When we attack hezbollah we are not attacking the Lebanese Shia; it’s not a religious matter…

  So pls spare us again ur cr*p n try for once to be objective…

  Oh and………. SALAM!!!!!

• 79. ja3far | October 8th, 2008 at 4:52 pm

  michele… for one of the rare times you are trying to use logic… so i will answer back…

  but before i have noticed that you have been creative with the new name u found for me while away… it seems u are getting obsessed

  all u need to do is to look through poles made. then u will know that your relatives are the exception and dont give an xample for the majority… the last pole i saw few monthes ago gave the combination amal HA 96 % of the votes of shia.. and it was in al nahar …

  bass sriously.. do you really think in the new elections the shia will vote for other then HA and Amal in majority ?

  so sorry to disapoint you…

  salam

• 80. Cartman | October 8th, 2008 at 5:26 pm

  Delta and Michele
  do you guys really believe the things you are saying?

  Delta:
  you kicked israel out??? really??? no i am not making fun of u …i really wish you did, that’s great man if you had contributed in any way.

  you kicked syria out?, hmmmmmm….well i’ll give you this one, after all they were foreigners on our land even though they came in after an elected lebanese president asked them to…and you can deny it all you want but in a twist of events, once upon a time they did help the mountain christians survive against jumblat, he was actually winning that war! history says not me.

  now the tricky one…how exactly did you kick the iranians out??

  Michele…
  so you did a good job differentiating your self from the rest your fellow Lebanese citizens in front of the Americans and the British, and presented you self as the civilized modern type that carries the latest phone and wears the newest fashion, and that the rest are zbeleh.
  well let me break it to you dear…
  i specifically love the American and English public you know why? because they are patriotic, and they know that fighting for your land is not terrorism, and deeply respect people who stand up for their rights, and not be dogs to their government.

  and you know why i love them also, because they are nice, they were probably shaking their head pretending they agree with what you are saying just not to be rude to u…but be assured dear the way i know them…once you walked away they spat on you, they hate traitors, and hate people who betray their own people.
  wel salam

• 81. Delta | October 8th, 2008 at 5:38 pm

  Cartman

  how did i kick the syrians out walla ur memory is short it was not that long we fought them on the ground for 15 years thousands died wbi kil 3ein wi2ha bit2elle ill give you that one sorry sahbe i earned it i dont need your sympathy Iranians were part of the civil war in lebanon we faught their presence by fighting the parties that supported their ideology.

  for isreal i am lebanese and who kicked isreal out of the south back in 2000 ? hizbullah hizbullah claim to be lebanese so hell yeah i take that one too chu ra2yak ???????

• 82. Delta | October 8th, 2008 at 5:46 pm

  Jaafar you are blaming the army for giving the isreali tea but you refused to go through the army to war and at least ask their opinion but still you whant them to fight a war they did not choose and honestly looking in that base there was not even one rocket launcher one call of an air strike would erase them from the glob, i understand totally your style of fighting that is driving by ur religion that you would fight for god to earn heaven thats very brave but remmenber these guys are fighting for 500000 LL a month nor for religion nor for country and any way they do not have the capabilities i doupt it if they even had m16 rounds in those magazines ( mchouta).

  again jaafar you can not launch a war by yourself and ask every other lebanese to fight it ?

  i can not agree with you on that one

• 83. Delta | October 8th, 2008 at 5:57 pm

  fad 14

  i agree on all your points that you laid but one is launching rockets , i wanna make this clear hizbullah should have never crossed the blue line to kidnapp any isreali its not their business to do any of that, and since they are a little boy facing a giant you shoud not go slap the giant from the first place but and honnestly if u get attacked by a giant and ur very small you give up and let him kill you and this is exactly what hizbullah did fight with all what they have to stay alive ??? wont you do the same? dont take me wrong i am against launching rockets on isreali civilians and even f isreal did two wrongs wont make it right , but still their the were the one who crossed the border and did not even try to solve the situation by negotiation or diplomacy……

  but again i can not blame isreal cause isrealhas a different plan and fate while i could blame hizbullah la2ano il insen bi balech ynadiff bayto abel ma yinte2d ghayro

• 84. Delta | October 8th, 2008 at 5:59 pm

  they are the one who crossed the border *

• 85. ja3far | October 8th, 2008 at 6:24 pm

  Delta… the lebanese army faught in the war in 2006 they were very brave and they lost around 70 martyrs in the war… they always had the gots and will to stand for there uniform… i am not criticising them..
  however, there was few hundreds of the ” fouj al tadakhoul” under the commend of the interior ministry to help Al amen al dakhili in some areas in the south. some of these soldiers were in marje3ioun. if you notice the officier in the barrak with from the police not the army.

  this officier received orders from the ministry of interiors ( under fatfat) to remove the weapons of the soldiers in the barrak before the israelies who were running away get refuge inside… and as israelies dont respect any body, they attacked the convoy of these soldiers and the civilians who were with them when they left the barrak by air..

  i have few good friends who are officiers in the army… believe me they were so angry and ashamed from such action by fatfat…

  finally delta… this was not the first contact between HA and th israelies… several activities happened before .. the israelies had this war planned ahead of time… such reports do exist

  salam

• 86. Delta | October 8th, 2008 at 6:33 pm

  ok thanks for the information (seriously).

  if isreal had this war planned to give them an excuse to destroy lebanon do u agree?

• 87. danny | October 8th, 2008 at 7:59 pm

  I am totally shocked!

  Cartman says”… specifically love the American and English public you know why? because they are patriotic, and they know that fighting for your land is not terrorism, and deeply respect people who stand up for their rights, and not be dogs to their government.

  Huh??? What kind of Bs is that? “not be dogs to their govn’t”??? Are you on drugs? In your delirium do you suggest that people in Manchester can decide to go to war against Denmark and British ould see that as patriotic and that …NOT BE DOGS etc etc? My confused cartman you cannot break the law period! Wow americans fighting mexicans with RPGs and gov’t can’t say anything….Are you reading your own crap?

  Sam says…”Delta… the lebanese army faught in the war in 2006 they were very brave and they lost around 70 martyrs in the war…”. Really? They fought? I thought you were just bitching that the USA was not giving them guns…What a baby! They could not even take out a few hundred Fatah al Islam ragtags. They did not have ammunition! Why blame USA? Loahous and his Syrian patrons had castrated the army in the past two decades! So enough of that shit! The army barracks were bombed by the JOOS becuase the radars were used to track the Isaeli gunboat that was hit by your divine jokers.

  lastly Mr Ja3far says…”the last pole i saw few monthes ago gave the combination amal HA 96 % of the votes of shia.. and it was in al nahar …”

  Now that takes the cake. You mean my little poodle that Syria had forbid the Lebanese government to function for thirty years AND Syria had forbid the army to go South for thirty years AND Syria had the army castrated…AND your CLEAN $$$$$ from the black turbines has been buying shiite votes…and…and…and…

  You sound as idiotic as your sheople friends! How do you expect the “mahroumeen” who for your information have been sucking up the govermnet money for decades through Iztaz’s South Lebanon Development councils….to have a free choice?

  Here they are under the gun from HA divine warriors and threatened to vote one way…Would you like to see a real poll? Leave the people alone. Surrender your weapons and integrate with society and then allow people to chose. Most will vote against your freaky Islamic fanatic WoF party!

  Michelle, do not listen to Cartman or others. You are right. You see; neither can make sense! They are intellectualy “desperate and impotent”…

• 88. Cartman | October 8th, 2008 at 8:12 pm

  Shabeb..
  Algeria gave 1000000 martyrs for its land.

  in ww2 during the german occupation of france every time the french resistance killed a german soldier 100 french people will die in revenge…did that stop the resistance, nazi’s eventually were defeated and rights were restored to their holders.

  please….be men about it,

  Those that forgo freedom for security, as Benjamin Franklin said, deserve neither. ..

• 89. danny | October 8th, 2008 at 8:27 pm

  Cartman,

  Who are you resisting?

  Lebanon is free except from the fanatic HA and murderers that are hidden/(planted by Syrian mukabarat) in the Palestinian camps. If you really want peace then sign one with Israel just like the other Arab countries!

  Let people live and enough of this BS…Are you guys not tired of regirgitating and recycling the same garbage!

• 90. ja3far | October 8th, 2008 at 8:42 pm

  Delta… israel ” al 3ouzma” that was marketed by perez have as a target to become the economical center of the middle east… they believe in the combinaton of israeli minds and profesionalism with arab money…

  lebanon is the main competitor to such a plan… this is not my theory… i have heard and read to several lebanese thinkers discussing the issue .. believe it or not most of them were maronite…

  an example of the israeli mentality on the matter will be the famous story of the milk products factory in biqaa distroyed by the israeli planes during the war… he was not on the israeli list of targets because he belong or support HA but because he won the contract to give the UN peace keeping forces milk products from israeli company …

  the second reason is that israel wasnt pleased about the way they withdraw from lebanon in 2000 … the idea of being defeated by all of us… the lebanese people was humilating and it will affect there image as umbeatabel( because HA are lebanese and they are an accumulation of experiences of several resistances that passed by lebanon … and they never claimed the victory is there.. every lebanese should be proud of it..)… you now the second intifada was a direct result of the year 2000 withdrawel…so they were planning to reattack and teach all of the arabs a lesson ( not to try to mess with them)… the 2 soldirs were just an excuse, the same way that the news of someone trying to shoot the israeli umbassador in london in 1982 was an excuse to envade… and now weither we like it or not, if they think they can destroy us they will never hesitate..

  finaly, regardless of what too many people think here.. we believe in lebanon as our final homeland we will never put the benefits of countries like israel, syria, jordan, saudi, iran, USA , france or any other country over the benefits and lifes of our families and loved ones and we will make them pay heavy if they try…

  salam

• 91. Cartman | October 8th, 2008 at 9:22 pm

  Danny,
  “If you really want peace then sign one with Israel just like the other Arab countries!”
  wlak what happen to the lebanese men, wlak elibneneh kill 3omro ma3roof zkirt w ma byed3as 3a tarafo.
  wlak if you are a Muslim or christian or ajust a human being with a gram of humanity left in you, youill never sign a peace agreement with someone who took over your holly city, jerusalem is for the whole world to worship in, not for russian and eastern europen jew imigrants to claim it their own.
  a compromise would be a ceasefire agreement for ever….and ever. and no, we are not like the other arab countries. what differentiate us from them is not haifa wehbe’s ass or nansy ajram eyes,
  we are men, w ma bneskot 3an 7a2 w hek lezem ndal.
  and yes every body wants to live…but live with a minimum self respect. khood maw2af ya khayi.
  salam

• 92. danny | October 8th, 2008 at 9:56 pm

  Self respect or self mutilation my cartman…

  Please stop skewing all over the place. I respect a lot of your opinions. However, you are going over the ledge! What has manhood have to do with “liberating” Jerusalem? Is that on Lebanese account as well? What next? Hassan’s backyard in Michigan? Please let’s try to built a non sectarian country where people’s concern would be living with their kids and families and thinking about a healthy and prosperous future. It is doable. Trust me.

  One of the most religious fanatical civil strifes was in Northern Ireland. They figured it out…

  http://www.dailystar.com.lb/article.asp?edition_id=1&categ_id=1&article_id=96604

  So can we if we cut off this sanctimonious rubbish!

• 93. Cartman | October 8th, 2008 at 10:43 pm

  never said liberate Jerusalem, matter of fact, the Palestinians don’t want it if we liberate it for them…i just said lets take a stand that’s it.

  and yes indeed, let’s build a non sectarian country. people who live in lebanon have it up to the neck and lebanese who are abroad wants a country to go back to, believe me you only feel complete satisfaction when u r are in your own country…no one is happy with the current situation.
  good tallking vereybody.

• 94. Rima | October 9th, 2008 at 1:06 am

  Michelle

  Lol Al poll Al…So funny to imagine HA conducting a poll …

• 95. Rima | October 9th, 2008 at 1:14 am

  Walla Ya3atik el 3affieh ya danny…nice reading your thoughtful replies…
  Cheers

• 96. Michele | October 9th, 2008 at 7:07 am

  Cartman, it’s soooo good to have u on that blog; we were indeed missing some idiots of the same caliber of Arze, Ado n Omega!!!!!

  I see Ja3″fart” that u can’t resist in replying back to me as on so many occasions u swore u will ignore me… Hmmm, i do actually have that effect on men

• 97. fad14 | October 9th, 2008 at 12:57 pm

  Ja3far:

  Stop watching Manar TV or actually change channels once in a while.

  HA is a not protecting anyone, they are there by force and against the will of many people. Even if these people are only 10%, they still have rights.

  Christians don’t want them, Sunnis don’t want them, Druze don’t want them and surely there are some (few) Shiaas who don’t want them.

  Protection = prevent from dying.
  1200 dead in 2006 = A LOT OF PROTECTION
  Qana Massacre = A LOT OF PROTECTION
  Dayhyeh Destroyed in 2006 = A LOT OF PROTECTION.

  You always try to blame others for your losses and mistakes,

  YOU caused the death of the 1200 and 1/3 of the country destroyed and then you want to blame it on the Government, then make fun on the ISF for the tea incident.

  YOU and your people are blind, A WAR IS STARTED WHEN YOU KIDNAPP PEOPLE NOT WHEN YOU OFFER THEM TEA
  A WAR IS STARTED WITH ROCKETS NOT WITH A CEASE FIRE TREATY
  A WAR IS STARTED WHEN HASSOUNA THREATENS ISRAEL AND NOT WHEN YOU REQUEST THEM TO WITHDRAW.

  DID YOU EVER ASK YOURSELF A QUESTION: Why not negotiate Shebaa for the release of the soldiers ???

  Or do they even want it to be released ????

• 98. ja3far | October 9th, 2008 at 7:05 pm

  fad… be sure not to miss my comment # 70..as it was so delayed..
  second , you are funny with your arguments ..anjad…asking someone who is trying to understand the way other lebanese think by reading ouwet web site to watch other then manar…you are either so steriotyped or use little children way of arguments…let us try to be more serious in our descussion..
  khaye, have you read the history of israel? have you read about what they did to our country and to our neighbours through history? you can close your eyes. you can hide your head under th ground… but do you really believe the excuses you give to them ? fazee3…
  salam

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