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• 1. Rodge | September 18th, 2008 at 3:31 pm

  Othello,

  Great Post full of logic and facts.
  I agree with every word you said.

  And I just want to add one thing to support ur idea in the 7th and last paragraph of his statements saying that he has done his suty towards DSG.
  Well to all the friends here, from all sides, yes Aoun went to visit Geagea in proson, and yes he offers him to unify and asks him not to repeat what had happened, BUT on one condition, which is to allow him to rule the Christians and for Geagea to acknowledge his sole leadership.
  Of course this was not a condition to be accepted, especially with a man who is only leading us to destruction.
  I said that just to clarify thisn issue, because i know some people will start to accuse DSG saying that Aoun has ectended his hand abd he refused, the same way they are saying that Frangieh offers him a reconciliation after the Ehden incident, which led to the death of an LFer while the killer is still on the loose.
  I don’t want anyone to tell me that it is just a rumor, it is something proved by some of Aoun’s Assistants.

• 2. othello | September 18th, 2008 at 3:36 pm

  Rodge..

  regarding the Ehden incident…be sure that Franjiyeh WILL NEVER reconciliate with DSG…why? simply because he sees the threat that is posed by the LF towards his domination of some parts of the north…its all part of his feudal mentality my friend …

  As long as the LF is lead by a man from the North, Franjiyi will never make peace with it….

  Remember in 1986 he shook hands with HK (the actual person who lead the raid on Ehden…) also remember that Franjiyi is an ally of Aoun, the same person who was military advisor to BG’s leadership when the decision was taken to raid Ehden…

• 3. ja3far | September 18th, 2008 at 3:41 pm

  the first impression on the above topic is that it is aoun yali atlak othelo…
  just one remark وأضاف: “المقاومة ليست حكراً على حزب الله،
  فلينضموا إلى المقاومة ويقوموا بمراقبة الحدود ضمن الاستراتيجية الدفاعية التي سنضعها، ما داموا يتحدثون عن ضرورة مراقبة الحدود
  let these politicians, believe in lebanon and regardless on each parties ideology they can all join the resistance whenever needed under the lebanese flag..

• 4. othello | September 18th, 2008 at 3:44 pm

  Well Ja3far my distant cousin, you could say habalo la aoun atalni eh…aw more precisely his hypocritical ways…

  and since we r into precisions, I would add ma atalni eli bass…attal thousands of innocent people , sharrad millions when he wanted to much to get rid of the LF back in 1989…

  now yali etelni howi your selective historical amnesia

  tata

• 5. Rodge | September 18th, 2008 at 4:29 pm

  Othello,

  I’ve done a mistake, I didn’t mnean the famous Ehden incident back in 1978, in fact I wanted to talk about the Daher el Ain incident, which happened in 2005 if i’m not mistaken again in the village name, the killer was alsao from the Frangieh family.

• 6. lebanonhsh | September 18th, 2008 at 4:40 pm

  وأنا اقول عسى أن يجدوا لهم مكاناً ليترشحوا فيه عند الانتخابات
  day after day, this becomes an evitable reality

• 7. othello | September 18th, 2008 at 4:44 pm

  sadly my friend, your perception of reality seems very strange…

  what do you base your statement on????

  holy statistics?

  engineers elections? doctors? lawyers? come on man….

  a person so sure of his position and his place and his win in any election would not go about creating the havoc aoun is…

  with his sentence, he gave himself the right to use weapons should he decide the elections were not “Fair”…..

  from now he is preparing the ground and his followers to accept a defeat as if it was a victory and to basically try to revert it by the power of the rifle…

  anyways…why bother arguing…lyom l khabar bmasari boukra bi bale$h

• 8. Rima | September 18th, 2008 at 5:07 pm

  I have been reading with enthusiasm the last few posts since the notorious incident of Bsarma…As somehow an outsider, I can tell you all make sense despite the differences your opinions…This is indicative of teh severity of the political situation in Lebanon…that makes me think about the defensive/offensive strategy option…When we are weak we should be defensive and act in a survival mode..that what Jumblatt did …I don’t think he changed his mind overnight…If he get support from the USA you will see a differebt Jumblatt…Who wants to die daas by HA…

  Let’s give DSG this defensive option …LF have been bi bouzz el madfa2 since its inception…shou ma fi illa tanssa bil jeich…no need for young people to die for now…lah2iin al alili shi yehrouz….

  Cheers

• 9. Tarek Gemayel | September 18th, 2008 at 6:22 pm

  One thing to say:

  LLLLLOOOOOOOOLLLLLLLL.
  I still cant beleive we listen to this donkey.

  Have a good day.

• 10. ja3far | September 18th, 2008 at 7:32 pm

  Rima.. Jumblat is a survivor…the druze have the minority surviving instinct…
  when the americans planned to attack iraque, he called rice the witch; he didnt expect iraque will fall in 7 days..

  when iraque was invaded, he felt syria and its allies are next , so he shifted and appologized to rice saying he prefair to be a garbage man in new york .. he saw it coming…and july war happened..

  for the last 3 years , he was getting all type of promisses from USA and their allies, saudi… so he was feeling safe.

  however, when hizb. reached mokhtara in 12 hours, he woke up to reality .. things have changed.. so he looked for a way out …

  the other party knows that , so they have opened him their arms.. as long as they are strong he is with them.. he will always be with the stronger, or expected winner…

  salam

• 11. fad14 | September 18th, 2008 at 8:23 pm

  Walla ya Tarek: Don’t know if you can Aoun a donkey with such a supporting base

  I think he is smart but his supporters are the real Donkeys.

• 12. ja3far | September 18th, 2008 at 8:50 pm

  fad14 … it seems he learned from his past experiance and knew how to choose the winning team this time… while others did not learn their lessons…

• 13. othello | September 18th, 2008 at 10:38 pm

  ja3far ja3far

  a couple of months ago you were insulting the guy (Junblat) today you are welcoming him and praising him…

  This, if nothing, tells me a lot about your political maturity

  still havent answered me as to your opinion lesh etelni aoun

  cheers

• 14. Elie H | September 18th, 2008 at 10:50 pm

  jA3FAR

  Feel free to ask your doc1559 for help. The guys here are not as dumb as you think they are.

• 15. ja3far | September 18th, 2008 at 10:51 pm

  othelo .. Actually it did not stop with insults.. it went much further then that… but as we all know this is lebanon… do you want us to kill all the druze in lebanon?
  we are mature enough to take druze ishtirakiye as prisoners during the buttle then to free them intact later on, even though we knew they have kidnapped and cut 2 of our brothers in pieces earlier ..

  as a result, we are enjoying listening to him talking about palestine liberation these days.. impressive dont you think

  regarding aoun… whether you like it or not.. at least 50 % of the christiens are with him…you say he is a murderer, he say you are a murderers.. it is your time to show political maturity…

  salam

• 16. othello | September 18th, 2008 at 10:57 pm

  50???? FIFTY percent???? now its FIFTY percent??????

  what the heck happened to the famous 70% or as some enthusiasts used to claim 85%?????????????????????????????????????????

  if I am to go along with the above numbers I would say a 20% DROP in popularity is an alarming sign would you NOT??????????????????

  Or are people for you mere followers who take a clue from a raised hand to shut up or to scream fanatically “labayka ya aba hady”???????

  shoots man…which age do you live in??? get real man

  cheers

• 17. ja3far | September 18th, 2008 at 11:18 pm

  othelo … i was following your logic .. 50 % is the figures you may give .. i am modest .. dont know the numbers .. but know that you are really divided .. and you should consider that seriously …and work on it if you really think about what is best for the chrisitans…

  i am lucky and proud that i had carried a gun with the resistance under al sayed abbas then sayed hassan in an early stage of my life….now all i do is watch how far they have gone… and pray for him….

  salam

• 18. M | September 18th, 2008 at 11:34 pm

  Tarek Gemayel
  you should have your middle name as AMIN .
  wahhahahhahahaahahahhaaaaa.

• 19. othello | September 18th, 2008 at 11:44 pm

  Divided?

  heheheheh isnt it your masters doing my friend?

  ever heard of divide and conquer?

  werent hizb and 7arakeh divided back in the late 80s? and why? because hizb was iranian whereas harakeh were syrian puppets…when iran and syria shook hands, the two got together like peas in a pod….

  arent sunnis and shiites divided today???? who is sparking the flames in Iraq????? who is in Lebanon?????????????

  tell me in all honesty WHO worked so hard on those divisions?????

  and the inter Christian divisions as well??

  Franjiyi is who’s puppet???

  Who made Aoun commander of the Army in 1984????

  give me a break…you may talk the talk amigo but do you walk the walk??????

  you are saddened by the divisions? tell that to your syrian masters….ah yes they are for without them you would not dream of bearing weapons in Lebanon no matter how strong Iran might be….

• 20. Tarek Gemayel | September 18th, 2008 at 11:46 pm

  shou hel nekat! Fe3lan mbayan 3awneh. Alla yeshfik ya 7abibe.

• 21. ja3far | September 18th, 2008 at 11:53 pm

  othelo… am talking from experience.. when we were divided with Amal, we were weak.. now .. we are strong .. we dont want division we want unity because this will make a stronger lebanon.. remeber hokoumat wi7dee wataniye..you did not believe us but we made it happen…

  we do thank syria because they are letting our arm pass god bless them…

  but as i remember, you were divided when both of you hated syria… no?
  by the way did syria ask you to write the above article that help for unity?

  salam

• 22. othello | September 19th, 2008 at 12:04 am

  ja3far shou bek khlatet sha3ben bi ramadan????

  1- you are united because syria and Iran are in the same bed. once they split you will slaughter each other. go recite your slogans elsewhere. just like junblat was a traitor yesterday and he is a good guy today…typical of your logic (or lack of)

  2- correction…you seem to be either ignorant of the history of the eastern section of beirut or else you are playing dumb…from day one aoun was (and still is) a syrian agent….his goal? elementary my dear ja3far: divide the Christians to weaken them … retrace his history from khaddam appointing him to commander of the army replacing Tannous to this very day…

  3- I would not expect you to do anything else than bless syria for its help…totally ignorant of the fact that by letting weapons in for you, it is in fact helping in creating a tension zone that would increase its bargaining powers…

  for your knowledge, syria armed the palestinians in 1970-72 and syria helped them settle in Lebanon….

  also, another sign of your selective historical amnesia, back in 2006, when israel was blowing lebanon up in smithers, syria was negotiating with it a deal over the golan heights…and yet you still bless syria…

  go either get yourself an education or else cover your head in shame my friend…

  cheers

• 23. ja3far | September 19th, 2008 at 12:29 am

  3ajabtnee ya othello .. bass taweel belak .. 3ashou m3asseb

  1-you wish we will re slaughter each other.. bass it will be only in your dreams.. we learn from our past … not like others…

  2- aoun syrian agent since day one:) haye aweeye… do you really believe these stories in your ouweti circles? that is good to know … that mean even though you think we are your enemies ( as seen in this lovely site ) you dont know anything about us … walawe a3reef 3adouwak …ya are becoming more and more arabs, if you know what i mean.

  3- there is mutual interest with the syrian… we are using them they are using us .. it is a win win relation… i really wish the other parties in lebanon can reach such a relation… dont forget, when the americans have let go, we were much nicer then the rusiian were in georgia.. see we want a united lebanon ?;)

  bass your final phrase was a good one … bravo bass i will choose education…

  salam

• 24. othello | September 19th, 2008 at 12:38 am

  lol

  m3assab? no way jose…

  just saddened…anyways…

  1- you are wrong…I do not wish anyone would slaughter anyone…you see, I to was in the war…but unlike you I do not glorify it…nor do I look forward to dying as a martyr….not interested in them vestal virgins…nor am I impressed by the saga of Husseyn….

  2- again and again you display a total ignorance of Lebanese history…I mean for someone you so gladly call your ally, the minimum you could do is check on his past…aw nsit…you got the orders from damascus…support this guy and kaboom sar aoun ediss go read up on his history as far back as 1976…from tall el zaatar to ehden massacre to this very day…but I guess such readings are not on the hizb’s allowed literature

  3- thats funny…you are using syria woaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa

  my friend syria and iran are both using you … wood logs to keep the fire lit…c tout….but then I guess for you as long as you cap off as a martyre you dont care much about the cause…be it kidnapping people in early 80s, blowing up innocent civilians in early 90s (buenos aires rings a bell?) to this very day…beirut in may 2008….ttttt what a proud bunch you make…

  anyways….

  glad you took up on my offer and decided to get yourself an education…you greatly need it…except I would avoid them sessions at the hussaynieh listening to raad billowing and shouting his demagogic slogans…

  cheers

• 25. Tarek Gemayel | September 19th, 2008 at 12:50 am

  he is not just a donkey but an animal too. And his supporters are even worst…

  He is playing it nice and safe from now, so he can get more votes during the 2009 elections.

  But honestly do u really think he meant what he said?
  I guaranty you that sometime soon, he will say that he is gonna free the prisoners from the Syrians jails.
  He will say something like this just to get more votes. But you believe that he will do it????

  All he’s sayin is BS

• 26. ja3far | September 19th, 2008 at 1:01 am

  othello .. am happy you have this human touch brother.. to feel sad for me ..bravo

  1- am proud to be of al hussein school. yes we do homor our martyrs, and as you are saying you are an educated peron, you should take a look at shias ideology.. we dont glorify the war for the act of war .. but we never accept ” al zolom ” ..
  and i do wish god will honor me such a position one day.. but not for the sake of heaven or vestal virgins.. but to be close to the warmth and love of god ( again know your enemy ;))… sadely for me, i dont think i am that close to god to get such an honor..

  2– again and again. lebanese history is written and read in different ways … if you think something does not mean it is true ..
  regarding what we read .. dont under estimate your enemies again, you are becoming too arab .

  3- you made me recheck the web site here i thought for a second am on Gandi. com .. no it is ouwet . com..
  you are talking about our history give me a brake..yes when israelies want to kill our women and children we will make them pay to rethink twice.. and when someone want to take us to civil war we will make him think a lot about the consequences…
  we think, plan and achieve.. not like other people ;)..

  finally, it is not by making fun of the capabilities of your enemies that you will win ….

  salam

• 27. othello | September 19th, 2008 at 1:30 am

  1- zolom????

  my friend this is part of the propaganda what has HA or amal done to improve your style of life in more than 20 years? built schools? for what to graduate suicide bombers???

  my friend every penny they give you they expect to be paid back in blood…fida l sayid 7assan mo????

  before you talk of zolom look at who is creating this to you…it is your own leaders to simply keel the human reservoir of recruits afloat.

  2- the wamth of GOD??????? through blowing yourself up?

  i tell you the only warmth you will find is that of the bomb when it blows your body to the four corners of the universe…

  so much for warmth….shoots man do you listen to yourself??????????????????

  since when did god glorify the taking of any soul?
  even yours????????????????????????????????????????

  give me a break man….

  and regarding the shiite way of life…I did not call you distant cousin for nothing…learn to read

  2- where did I underestimate anyone???

  and why on earth do you insist on using the term enemy???????????????????????

  brainwashing at its best….

  the Shiites are not my enemies.and, for the record, neither HA nor Amal represent the entire shiite population so ….

  I based my judgment on the poetry you have been reciting all day long amigo…

  I am full aware as to what you are allowed to read and what you are not…what is OK to follow and what is not….

  does the name salman rushdie ring a bell???? google it

  take a stroll into a bookshop in shiye7 or da7iye and then go check virgin bookstore or antoine…and then come tell me what you are allowed to read and what not….

  3- who said ouwet has to be about killing and violence????

  aw is this the only reason you come to visit????

  you see again and again you are displaying your total lack of knowledge of your political opponents….

  just as much as you hate the israeli for whatever he did, I hate the syrian for what he did to me as well…

  you glorify and thank the syrian I do not glorify nor do i thank the israeli…

  we did get help from them back in the late 70s but they back-stabbed us and since 83 the relation broke…again read more to understand more…

  just for your info, back in the 70s when the israelis were supplying the christians with weapons, aoun was part of Bachir’s advisors group…ask him how come his sense of arabism was dormant back then…

  hobeika, another person who openly dealt with israel later on became syrias top ally in Lebanon…yet as far as I can recall HA used to support him in the baabda areas in elections…

  hell syria itself (as i pointed out in my previous reply and you so carefully omitted to comment on) is working closely with israel…care to explain this to me??????or aaah eh nsit…u are using them

  see the difference in attitude?????????I spek openly and without any hypocrisy whereas you talk back in demagogic canned terms….

  you think plan and achieve I hand you that…

  but what is the ultimate goal???

  islamic revolution in lebanon as your flag says?????

  wilayat al faqih as your leader is subject to????

  you said syria helps you out…what the heck do you think they do it for???? the color of your eyes?????? they want to regain their power in lebanon thats all amigo….

  in your eyes, we might not think and plan and achieve (although our history proves the contrary should you care to look beyond aounistic and syrian propaganda) but at least we gave our lives FOR LEBANON…

  not for sayid 7assan nor for iran nor for syria….

  BIG difference amigo…..

  and for the record, no one wants to take you to civil war (see what did i tell you about them sessions with raad)…but was it not your people who stormed beirut back in may terrorizing the people and killing innocent bystanders????????

  was it not your people who besieged down town for a year, ruining peoples lives and causing more and more economic catastrophes????

  does this not cause tension???? does this not lay the foundations for a potential war between people of the same nation??? or since we are not part of the famous ummah we are your sworn enemies (as you so gladly pointed out in your previous post)??????

  finally as you say I am not making fun of anything…just pointing out the obvious

  cheers

• 28. VOR | September 19th, 2008 at 1:51 am

  All lebanese leaders are immature and their people are even more immature for following them. You can talk all you want but nothing will ever change unless Lebanon is freed of these cretins. Hopeless country.

• 29. Rima | September 19th, 2008 at 2:03 am

  Otello
  Yaatik el aafieh ala toul hal beil with jaafar aka Sam

  Cheers

• 30. ja3far | September 19th, 2008 at 2:17 am

  othelo .. not bad my friend .. not bad

  1- there is a good book in vergin mega store about moussa al sader. it is called mina al sader ila nassrillah..it will be good for you to read it .. it will give you an idea about the way people in the south used to live in the 50, 60 and 70 till now ..

  all you need to do is to go in a field trip now , to the liberated south, you see the big diference these leaders did… dont forget my friend, we are among the very few religion in lebanon who dont follow the leader for his dinesty .. ( check what happened to big families like ass3ad and oussayran)..

  finaly, we dont give our life for sayed hassan.. but for the path we share with him .. the same path his son died fighting for in the south, with his arm in his hand.. the same path sayed abbas ( the ex leader) and cheikh ragheb died fighting for..

  2- i will be happy if you dont see me as enemy.. as you recall i mentioned in # 22 ,that i understand from this web site in which you write… where Hiz is called, terrorists, murderers, babies slaughters .. that you are considering me your enemy.. and you didnt rectify me ;)…
  on the other hand.. i never called you enemy …true?
  regarding salman rushdie , dont forget that the church in lebanon banned the divinci code …religious institutions are blocked .. the thing is that we dont like people moking from our religion, or believes. but we are ready for all type of serious discussion …

  3- you are labeling me .. i didnt say ouwet is all about killing.. i said christians should unite for everybodies benefit in the country .. remeber?
  and we did not go with houbayka on the same list… actually i was working in the election for HA nominee at that time in a small distroyed christian village.in the mountain… we were allied with Dr. dacash if i recall the name right at that time.. hobayka was with jumblat and harriri.. they used to bring the cristians in the buses to the church in the village to vote promissing them they will rebuild their houses… at that time dacash won.. but our nominee lost :)…

  regarding the israelie and the syrian .. good luck for them and for the palestianians .. the last time we demonstrated against oslo agreement in beirut the army shut dead 9 of our people in the 90s .. we are peaceful people .. let us pray for the success of this peace :).

  4- we want our people to live in peace in a very decent way.. that is our goal.. the islamic revolution on our flag, have been changed to islamic resistance.. we have developed a lot since the beginning of the 80s… we do believe in lebanon in the way it is now.. we are much more influential this way.. other wise we will become another arab toilet as it i recall from one of the topics in this site ;)…
  you should believe that in the last two years we were pushed again and again to the corner by one lebanese group.. m14.. they did not understand that they cannot cross certain lines.. then we just put the country back on the track.. you really think we wanted or were happy to get in beirut?

  beleive me the obvious for you… is not really that white…

  salam

• 31. Rima | September 19th, 2008 at 2:28 am

  المفتي الجوزو : سننشئ مقاومة وطنيّة ونتسلّح كغيرنا

  Hi

  This man makes more sense to me than all politicians put together.So simple, bala falsafi: Nehana kammein badan mouqawameh bil tanssik maa el Jeich…hayda taweizoun el rouob…Mahdoum hal jouzzou ma heik?

  LF already said that they are the resistance…all we need is someone to supply us with arms…

  Heik if HA won the elections and they made decisions mich ala za2na we invade beirut and dahiyeh…and we reverse the decisions and then we send our agents to yizarkouloun ala el blogs:

  VIVE LA DEMOCRACY

• 32. Rima | September 19th, 2008 at 2:29 am

  *win

• 33. Rima | September 19th, 2008 at 2:31 am

  Ya jaafar Ya khayeh Sam maaleich rouh khayeit bi gheir hal missaleh

• 34. ja3far | September 19th, 2008 at 2:40 am

  rima.. i will wish u the best of luck when u are invading the dahiye.. bass u will need more then that

  i did not understand what u mean
  …

  salam

• 35. Rima | September 19th, 2008 at 2:55 am

  I am not a military expert but some planes full of goodies will help

  I don’t blame you for being so confident of the prowess of HA…you have a nuclear power bi dahrekoun…lucky youuuuuuu ala kibeil el ayzzinnnnn ya rab

• 36. Tarek Gemayel | September 19th, 2008 at 3:36 am

  ja3far, you make me laugh with what you say. It makes no sense at all. You have no idea what you are saying

• 37. Che | September 19th, 2008 at 3:58 am

  For those who call for reconciliations and “opening the channels” for dialogue with so-called Christians like aoun and his sarsour friend franjiah, I say HELL NO.

  Reconciliation means the willingness to compromise, which implies acknowledging their political beliefs. Lebanese Forces must never succumb to those demagogues. In fact, as long as there is blood flowing in the veins of every Lebanese Force member, we must “cast out those who sold Lebanon” to the Syrians and Iranians. Any compromise with those two thugs and their followers is a betrayal to the Martyrs of the Lebanese Forces and the Cause.

• 38. Rima | September 19th, 2008 at 4:05 am

  Tarek

  la2a jaafar/sam aref we mekattar….he is an agent with specific duties…be aware

• 39. Rima | September 19th, 2008 at 4:13 am

  Che

  I totally agree with you but eventually we need a sword to support our words…hayda hakii el demokratiyee ma beyimchi bi hal balad? If 14th March wins the election, the 8th March will yibasstou again in downtown Beirut or invade it again…if they win ya ayni khod ala laban.

  We need a well defined strategy for the coming years…It could be a defensive strategy whatever but sthg to hold us on until the tide changes in our favor…(without concessions though as you said)
  but let’s not act like rambos when we are teethless and don’t have political foreign support…At least let’s keep convincing the world that it is not in your own interets to keep Lebanon a prey for Iran and Syria….
  I hope I made some sense…
  Cheers

• 40. Mickel | September 19th, 2008 at 4:17 am

  Ja3far

  You never called us your enemy, you just called us zionist Israeli agents, Condolliza’s puppets, America’s servants, thugs, drug addicts/dealers…

  If you want peace, then why are you starting wars with Israel and people within Lebanon?

  Maybe you really do want peace, but you have to go to war because you’re ordered by to do so by Iran.

  What do you mean M14 crossed the line?
  So you attacked Beirut and Jabal because people started to take action against your weapons.

  What happened to all that cr*p about not aiming your weapons at other Lebanese?
  All that went out the window.

  You put the country back on track?
  Ma you’re the one’s who took it off track in the first place!

  Aya track are you talking about? The track to destruction, war, misery…

  You act like you’re the victim in all this, like you’re the poor southerners who are simply trying to defend themselves, and the evil M14 are stopping you from doing so.

  You proved what we are trying to say:
  You used your weapons to put Lebanon on the track that you want it to be on.

  Enough with all this resistance nonsense! Hezbollah is way beyond resistance, you want to take over the country and will kill anyone that gets in the way. That’s why you need to keep your weapons.

• 41. M | September 19th, 2008 at 4:19 am

  che
  keep going the way u are going and iza alla biyreed one day soon u won’t find anyone to shake hands with u . u will end up in the corner while everyone else is celebrating reconciliation and unity.
  ur ewet will be the only party (or semi party) outside .
  i suggest ur hakim starts getting real strategic advisors instead of him using this blog to base his actions on.
  it is for his benefit to reconcile with aoun because if he keeps going the way he is going now he won’t find a “3awn” in the future.
  bye3jabni bayy bayya .

• 42. M | September 19th, 2008 at 4:24 am

  mickel
  don’t forget that it was sanyoura and march 14 who were encouraging israel to attack hezballa and continue attacking in order to destroy it.
  march 14 were so happy enjoying the scenes of lebanon being bombed by israel . and u speak of misery and destruction?
  as long as u think of getting foreign aid to help u destroy ur brother lebanese u will always be on the losing side and there will always be misery and distruction in lebanon.

• 43. Rima | September 19th, 2008 at 4:25 am

  Mickel

  Jaafar/Sam is right we are not his enemies the sunnis are…we don’t threaten them and they don’t want to mess with us so Aoun does not loose his Christian base…the conflict is no more Christian-Muslim it is sunni-shiaa by excellence

  Ya M you make sense but we should be proud LF and others not to shake hands with anti-Lebanon projects…the history will credit us for it. Cheers

• 44. Rima | September 19th, 2008 at 4:30 am

  M
  You amazes me I wish Siniora was encouraging Isreal…the poor fellow kissed the Americans feet to stop Israel…and he was stupid by doing that honestly…Tell me why it is ok for HA and co to seek foreign support to control the country and invade Beirut and Jabal and intimidate everyone…and it is wrong for others to do it? Just think of it as an outsider…what works for you works for everyone else…did you hear what el jouzzou said lately?

• 45. Rima | September 19th, 2008 at 4:31 am

  M
  You amazes me I wish Siniora was encouraging Isreal…the poor fellow begged the Americans and the world to stop Israel…and he was stupid by doing that honestly…Tell me why it is ok for HA and co to seek foreign support to control the country and invade Beirut and Jabal and intimidate everyone…and it is wrong for others to do it? Just think of it as an outsider…what works for you works for everyone else…did you hear what el jouzzou said lately?

• 46. M | September 19th, 2008 at 5:36 am

  rima
  hezballa is not seeking control over non shia areas. if they wanted to do so they would have kept the marakez they took from the sunnies for themselves. if u have a good memory u will remember that as soon as hezballa took over the marakez they gave it to the army.
  hezballa’s movement was to make sure march 14 do not play games anymore against hezballa . they did it in self defence . u can’t ask the guys to stand still while others are stabbing them. they have the right to defend themselves the same way when bashir gemayel attacked nomoor el ahrar in safra.
  rima did u really believe sanyoura’s tears? haram shoo naiive . sanyoura is the biggest liar of all lebanese politicians.
  did u read about the most recent majles wozara meeting? enegry misister (who is from the opposition) gave orders to make sure electricity is available for all lebanon equally . today sanyoura stopped this order . not to forget that march 14 are encouraging ppl to protest against energy minister to provide them with energy .
  7elliya ize feeki ya rima.

• 47. M | September 19th, 2008 at 5:37 am

  rima bhanneeki for listening to jouzou.

• 48. Rima | September 19th, 2008 at 5:56 am

  M

  No need for HA to yihtallou the offices they invaded back then. They are smarter than that.

  Between us they are flirting with the Christians to gain political power in lebanon and subdue the sunnis, the real threat right now. The real aim is to have Christian puppet president and ministers so it looks like you gave Christians their rights…walou ma wadhaaaaa mittel el chammess ya M…

  Cheers

• 49. M | September 19th, 2008 at 7:04 am

  rima
  is it wadha mitel 3ayn el shams the same way as the sunnies and druze were using m14 christian puppets to control the country as well?

• 50. Rima | September 19th, 2008 at 7:15 am

  M..you can say that…the only difference is that the Sunnis and druze adopted the Christians’ rhetoric of sovereignty, modernity and lebanon first slogan.

  It is obvious that till now HA did not provided us with guarantees that they won’t be Iran’s puppet and won’t fight Iran’s interets in Lebanon. It is very important for the shiaas if they won’t to somehow be the ultimate power in Lebanon to pledge not to mess with Isreal coz we have a lot more importnat things to worry about. A flourishing economy and a prosperous Lebanon, Lebanon free from Syrian agents and thugs and robbers will provide you guys and your families with a lot better life than what you have today…only a strong Lebanon will protect you. Moreover, as pragmatists, you HA, please no need to show the West that you are enemies of the USA and the West…What for? Heck let’s have their financial support and let’s build a democracy…yu are the majority and you always will have the upper hand..so let’s end all that bullsh****t about el jouz wel addieh el falstiniyehhh and ouroubehhhh….khayeh I know yu don’t beleive in that…I hope you can send my message to your HA leaders…
  With my good wishes
  Rima

• 51. Mickel | September 19th, 2008 at 7:27 am

  M

  You have the IQ of a mentally challenged hamster.

  So because Sanioura ‘encouraged’ the Israelis, as you say, that’s why the war was so devastating!

  So, hypothetically speaking, if Sanioura hadn’t encouraged the Israelis, then the war wouldn’t have been this devastating?

  Halla2 baddak t7ot l 7a2 3al 7areb 3a l sanioura!!

  And I don’t know why you’re so fer7an about reconciliation. We both know that those things come and go.
  Do you want us to change our beliefs, just so we could have someone to shake hands with?

  Mabsout ent that you’re shaking hands with Hezbollah? In a couple of years, they’re going to cut your hand, not shake it.

  And what do you mean Hezbollah only wants to control the Shi’a regions?
  Lesh mim allak enno Hezbollah is the emperor of Shi’a??

  They control the Shi’a regions, and then they will control the Christian regions, Druze regions, Sunni regions…

  Choo bt2elle self defence?? Hayde l self defense?
  Enno anyone whoever doesn’t agree with them is considered a threat to them and therefore they have the right to kill him!?!?!

• 52. Rima | September 19th, 2008 at 7:38 am

  M
  I assumed yu are HA, u might not be HA. My previous post is addressed to HA and allies.

• 53. fad14 | September 19th, 2008 at 8:23 am

  Ya Rima: there is no need to invade Dahyeh, just tell them that Israel is going to bomb again and you will see them in the schools and begging for food in 5 minutes.

  Then Hassoun will do the the magical disappearing trick form dahyeh to Rabyeh and it will be empty in 10 minutes.

• 54. M | September 19th, 2008 at 8:27 am

  rima
  why can’t u say that hariri is working for saudi arabia interests? don’t say they adopted the Christians’ rhetoric of sovereignty, modernity and lebanon first slogan because IF syria was to enter lebanon again they would be the first to bend and kiss their shoes again. i am not talking about sunnies and druze in general. i am talking about a few polititians who form march 14.

  rima i am not a hezballa . i am a supporter of aoun.

  mikel the only ones who are not happy with reconciliations are the ewet because it does not suit their agenda . they want tention in lebanon so they can advertise themselves as the protectors of chistians but we saw how well they protected them .
  and by the way mikel . i am not an ewatji who let hariri and jombi rule me and do with me whatever they want. i am an aounist and aounists do not tolerate . aounists shake hands with other brothers in lebanon with strength . strong group to strong group . ma fashar 7ada ye2ta3elna eedna ya mikel .
  keep in ur mind that only the brave and strong men can reconcile and shake hands with their oponents. it requires courage . does ur hakim have it? i doubt it .

• 55. Readers | September 19th, 2008 at 12:09 pm

  Othello

  1)
  اعتبر النائب ميشال عون أن “هناك احتمالاً من اثنين في تفسير الاشكالات الأمنية المتنقلة، فإما أن الذين يقومون بالمصالحات ليسوا جديين، أو أن الخلايا التي تقوم بالتخريب مرتبطة بجهات خارجية لا علاقة لها بالمصالحات التي تحصل”، لافتاً إلى ان “الوضع الأمني خرج عن سيطرة السياسيين”.
  عون، علّق على حادثة بصرما، فقال: قد يقع أي حادث في الحدث والشياح وعين الرمانة كالحادث الذي حصل في الكورة نتيجةً طريقة القوات اللبنانية في لصق الصور الدعائية لنشاطاتها”.

  Those Lebanese forces thugs….tttt…I mean who still believes this mad man???? Why is it that whenever there is any problem, we hear Aoun coming out to accuse the LF??? And then he boasts that he has no issues as to his popularity on the Christian scene….give me a break!!!!!

  Le texte comprend deux parties, la premiere qui a mon avis est la plus importante et la plus urgente a regler tu es passe sous silence, pourtant si elle n’est pas prise au serieux on risque de tomber tot ou tard dans une nouvelle guerre civile.
  Concernant la deuxieme partie, n’est ce pas les forces libanaises qui etaient a BSARMA en train de coller les affiches d’une facon provocante ? peux-tu le nier ? Les forces Libanaises sont desormais des trouble-fetes. Cependant tu parles de la popularite du General mais je ne vois pas le rapport avec le texte ci-dessus ? Le General parle de toute autre chose …

  2)
  وأشار إلى ان قام بتأجيل جولة له إلى عكار بسبب الأحداث الأمنية، ولعدم وضعها في إطارالتحريض”، مشيرا إلى أن “اتفاق “الحزب التقدمي الاشتراكي” و”حزب الله” ليس تحالفاً سياسياً، بل هو تفاهم لتفادي الأساليب العنفية والتصادمية والخطابات المتشجنة بين الطرفين”.

  Funny…he did not postpone because he was not welcome…nooo…because of the situation….shoots…

  Comment tu sais qu’il n’est pas le bienvenue a Aakar ? As-tu quelque chose de concret sur lequel tu te bases ou simple propagande ? ou plutot simple souhait ?
  Aussi dans ce cas tu prends la partie insignifiante du texte pour construire dessus tes deductions et la partie la plus significative tu la laisse sous silence sans meme donner ton avis pourtant elle met le doigt sur le dossier le plus sensible de noter futur

  3)
  ورداً على سؤال، اعتبر عون أنه يوجه انتقاداته إلى رئيس الحكومة لأنه “إذا كان رأس الحكم التنفيذي يعاني من عدم الالتزام بالقوانين، فكيف بالباقي”؟ وقال: “إن “حكم رئيس الحكومة فؤاد السنيورة والخط الذي مثله منذ سنة 1993 هو حكم ارتجالي ولا يفكر إلا في المصلحة المباشرة، فهم يريدون كسر شركة الكهرباء ثم بيعها بسعر رخيص”.

  Well…I don’t want to play defense attorney for Sanyoura but what is Aouns track record during his time as an interim PM??? Can anyone please do the comparison?

  Il te dit que Sanyoura, ton premier ministre, est en train de voler la compagnie d’electricite EDL et toi tu critiques Aoun au lieu de descendre dans la rue et de crier STOP au vol ? Tu es vraiment Bizarre. Heureusement il y a quelqu’un dans ce pays qui defend les interets des libanais.

  4)
  ورأى عون ان حرب العصابات ضرورية للدفاع عن لبنان في ضوء الإمكانيات المحدودة لديه، لافتا إلى ان الجيش اللبناني لا يملك مهمة هجومية بل دفاعية، وكذلك المقاومة”، معتبرا أن “من يتحدث عن وجود جيشين ودولتين فهو لا يعتبر أن المقاومة تقوم بوظيفة الحماية، وربما لا يريد الاعتراف بالوجود المسلح لها، فالمقاومة هي جيش الشعوب الفقيرة.

  So now Guerilla warfare is necessary????????? How come he is blessing the right of HA to bear arms when he launched a destructive fratricide war back in 1989 just because he claimed that there could be only ONE ARMED PARTY in Lebanon and that was the Army????????????

  Si tu as ecoute le dernier discours de sayed Hassan Nasrallah il a explique que les generaux americains sont convaincus de l’efficaite militaire de la resistance et meme ils pensent appliquer la meme strategie en Georgie ? Ce qui prouve que nous avons trouve la strategie de defense la plus adaptee a notre pays et notre envoronnement. Desole pour toi mais c’est la realite …

  5)
  وأضاف: المقاومة ليست حكراً على حزب الله، فلينضموا إلى المقاومة ويقوموا بمراقبة الحدود ضمن الاستراتيجية الدفاعية التي سنضعها ما داموا يتحدثون عن ضرورة مراقبة الحدود”.

  When they change their name from “al moukawama al islamiya”…when they change their general secretary from Hassan Nasrallah … when they stop following “wilayat al fakih” then perhaps we could think of joining them…

  Quelle contradiction, juste avant tu etais contre toute forme de resistance, et la tu es pour, meme tu es pret a t’engager a condition de changer de nom a la resistance et de changer de dirigeant.

  6)
  وأشار عون إلى أن “من يريد تعطيل العملية الانتخابية سيُواجه بالسلاح اولاً عبر قوى الأمن، وإن لم يكف ذلك قد يلجأ البعض إلى الدفاع عن حقهم الديمقراطي بالسلاح فأي تعطيل للعملية الديمقراطية هو محاولة انقلاب على السلطة، وعلى القوى الأمنية المسلحة مواجهته”.
  Amazing coming from an ex commander in chief of the Lebanese Army and from someone CONSTANTLY criticizing the way govt is run asking for a more “democratic” approach and whatnot….

  Ce que nous avons vecu depuis 2 ans c’etait un dictature. Eh bien il est temps que les choses changent vers le mieux.

  عون اعتبر أنه قام بواجبه مع رئيس الهيئة التنفيذية في القوات اللبنانية الدكتور سمير جعجع بعد عودته من الخارج، وقال: “اتفقت معه على ان لا نعيد تجربة 1990، لكن شغلهم الشاغل إن كانت شعبية العماد عون نقصت أم لا، وأنا اقول عسى أن يجدوا لهم مكاناً ليترشحوا فيه عند الانتخابات

  Etlino el ouwet

  Non, C’est plutot le contraire mon cher

  7)
  On a more serious note…this guy is more than due for retirement…truly he has been the achiles heel of the Lebanese Chrsitians from the very first day he decided to play politics and this dates back to the late 70s… from his days as a slave for hire to whomever pays more ….To those who were criticizing DSG’s actions and reactions to the current situation, I ask: what would you do in a similar scenario????? How do you go about practicing politics in such a messed up country?????

  On voit bien le sentiment d’inferiorite qui surgit de nouveau

• 56. othello | September 19th, 2008 at 1:21 pm

  Waw Im flattered you brought out the big guns….

  French/English/Spanish/Arabic take your pic for the answer….

  I will answer this one in French since the questions were in the language of Moliere….

  1- Que faisaient les FL a Bsarma??? pourquoi parceque tu as deja divise le pays???? tu as deja etabli tes cantons?????? est contre la loi d’etre FL a Bsarma???? qu’en est il de la liberte etc dont vous n’arretez pas de parler????

  De plus, si guerre civile il y a, a qui reviendra cet “honeur”?????

  voyons…

  le 23 Janvier 2007 qui est ce qui fabriqua des photos sur photoshop et les montra sur Al Manar???

  le 8 aout 2007 qiu est ce qui fabriqua des histoires saugrenues a propos de centres FPM attaques par les FL (histoires qui plus tard s’averrerent fausses)??????

  qui est celui qui s’obstine a enflamer la rue avec ses paroles insultantes??????

  ne penses tu pas qu’un tel comportement puisse allumer la dite guerre????

  n’y trouves tu pas une attitude bien plus provocante que de coller des posters sur un mur??????????????????????????????????

  2- mais tu reves ou quoi????? quelle est la chose la plus importante pour ton futur????? je n’en crois pas mes yeux….en tout cas clarifie ton point stp …

  3- et moi je lui dit que ses allies, plus precisement Hezbolla, ont vole aussi…

  je lui dis que la somme totale du cout des minutes de communications telephonique internationale sur une periode de quinze ans est proche de QUINZE MILLIARDS DE DOLLARS….

  je lui dis aussi que ses allies ne paient ni l’electricite ni l’eau depuis des annees…

  je lui dis aussi que si sanyoura pense vendre l’EDL, lui et ses allies SONT EN TRAIN DE PORTIONNER ET DE VENDRE LE PAYS EN ENTIER a la syrie et a iran…

  il veut dire STOP au vol qu’il commence avec ses allies…dois je te rappeler ce que BErry a fait avec Majliss al Jnoub??????

  a mon avis c’est en hypocrite qu’il est en train de se comporter….

  4- je m’en fous du dernier discours de qui que ce soit….va le raconter aux familles detruites en 88-89 a cause de sa decision… ce qui me rend furieux c’est que quand la situation le dictait, aoun etait convaincu qu’il n’y avait de place que pour l’armee et il suffit que HN le declare pour que cela devienne vrai….

  au cas ou ta memoire serait aussi selective que celle de jaafar, les FL exercaient justement ce type de guerre contre les syriens et c’etait grace a cela qu’ils ont pu garder leurs terres libres…..

  alors ne vient pas me raconter que ton sayyed a invente la roue en declarant cela….

  mais …. tu vois le probleme c’est que ton sayyed aujourd’hui ne veut pas comprendre que le temps est a la paix et la discussion pacifique et non pas aux jeux de Rambo…

  5- alors la tu prouves mon point: soit tu n’as pas lu le texte soit tu t’es perdu(e) dans la traduction soit tu fais expres de ne pas vouloir comprendre…

  je suis contre toute forme de guerre…mais si guerre il devait y avoir et une resistance devait en sortir, alors je ne voudrais pas qu’elle soit appellee la resistance islamique…capishe….

  et puis as tu lu cette phrase: “then perhaps we could think of joining them” .. perhaps tu sais ce que ca veut dire au moins?????????

  6- un (ou une) supporter de aoun n’a aucun droit de critiquer la dictature (si dictature il y a)…il semble que tu ne lis pas les attaques de ton bien aime general sur la presse … ni les insultes qu’il deverse dans nos canaux auditifs des qu’une camera se pointe sur lui….

  au moins tu as le droit de sortir en public et d’insulter sanyora….si je me souviens bien, en 89 les supporters de aoun avaient saccage Bkerki juste parceque Patriarche Sfeir avait critique la situation….idem pour l’annee derniere…alors mon ami(e) you are the last one to criticize dictatorships …

  7- oui oui inferiorite…c ca…c votre explication miracle…la pilule qui guerit tout… treko hayda gheyran men el general…ne l’ecoute pas il est jaloux du general…

  si c’est ainsi que tu discutes, je m’excuse et je sens bien que je viens de perdre mon temps en t’ecrivant tout cela…

  anyways….

  take care, hasta la vista….khalina nshoufkon

• 57. Fuziyad | September 19th, 2008 at 1:29 pm

  Readerssssssssssss

  Avant tout pourquoi ce nom?? au singulier c’est reader…à moins que vous vous mettiez à un gang de aounistes pour écrire ce genre de pensée éclairées…

  Alors commencons par bsarma…La seule chose bel et bien déja établie est que le militant FL a été le premier abattu…mais apparement dans ton nouveau(adapté aux crises du général) systéme un collage d’affiche provocateur doit etre puni de la peine de mort…

  Ensuite ton nouvel allié délinquant slimi a dis dans son discours que si l’immunité parlemantaire protégait Farid Habib vis à vis de l’état, celle ci n’avait pas de valeur chez lui…

  C’est ou chez lui?? est il entrain de dire qu’il ne se plie pas à l’autorité de l’état?? menace-t-il un député de mort? n’est-il pas sensé etre lui meme un ancien ministre de l’intérieur?? Eclaire moi s’il te plait jeune democrate…

  Briévement sur l’élecrticité, révise tes classiques, ce ministère est au mains de tes alliés du wa3d, d’amal et du hezb depuis un bon moment. De plus, ceux qui ne payent pas l’éléctricté n’ent sont ils pas les premiers voleurs??

  Ensuite j’adore comment tu site Monsieur Hassan Nasrallah, il a dit que les techniques de guerilla étaient efficaces dans un guerre??? wawwwwwwwwwwwwwww, merci hassouna on savait pas, enfin non, les aounistes ne savaient pas…Par contre à ma connaissance on est pas en état de guerre, on a un accord d’armistice avec Israel et 15′000 soldats de l’onu à la frontiére…et aussi un peuple vaillant(sans etre forcément barbus et pro irnaien) qui a prouvé à israel qu’il pouvait lui rendre la vie impossible en cas d’occupation.

  Et puis toi qui a l’air d’aimer les comparaisons, quel pays à ton avis a plus de risque de guerre avec Israel?? le liban ou la jordanie?? ECLAIRE MOI!!!!!!!!!!

  Ensuite la dictature de ces 2 dernières années!!! ca c’est pas mal…c’est vrai que les detenus politiques CPL et HA se comptent par milliers… et donc dans ton petit monde de aouniste une majorité parlementaire élue democratiquement et qui a tout le mal du monde à excercer son autorité est dicatoriale?? j’aime bien ces dictatures qui n’arrivent meme pas à faire payer des factures d’élécrticité à leurs opposants ou meme à les expulser de devant le siége du pouvoir dicatorial!!! TU ES SUR DE SAVOIR C’EST QUOI UNE DICTATURE??

  PS: En lisant tes commentaires j’ai vraiment eu un sentiment d’inferiorité, toi, ton général gateux et ton mullah sanguinaire etes complexant, c’est clair…

• 58. INCO | September 19th, 2008 at 1:43 pm

  Readers,

  “Concernant la deuxieme partie, n’est ce pas les forces libanaises qui etaient a BSARMA en train de coller les affiches d’une facon provocante ? peux-tu le nier ?”

  ET ALORS???? ILS ONT PAS LE DROIT DE COLLER UNE AFFICHE SUR UN POTEAU D’ELECTRICITE ET JE PRECISE SUR UN POTEAU ET NON PAS SUR UN SITE DU MARADA!!!! C KOI CETTE LOGIQUE???? ET EN PLUS LE MEC LA YOUSSEF FRANJIEH EST VENU DE BNACH3E!!!! IL ETAIT PAS A BSARMA

  2)”Il te dit que Sanyoura, ton premier ministre, est en train de voler la compagnie d’electricite EDL et toi tu critiques Aoun au lieu de descendre dans la rue et de crier STOP au vol ? ”
  إذا كان رأس الحكم التنفيذي يعاني من عدم الالتزام بالقوانين، فكيف بالباقي”؟

  EH BIEN IL CRITIQUE SON PROPRE CLAN… LE MINISTRE DE L’ELECTRICITE EST BIEN TABOURIAN NON?? OU BIEN C SANYOURA QUI VOLE ET TABOURIAN EST INCOMPETENT… EN PLUS IL A CRITIQUE TOUT LES MINISTRES DONC INCLUS LES TAYYAR… LA VERITE MA CHERE C QUE AOUN NE PEUT SURVIVRE POLITIQUEMENT SANS QU’IL SOIT DANS L’OPPOSITION ET SANS CRITIQUER LE GENS AU POUVOIR…

  3) “Ce qui prouve que nous avons trouve la strategie de defense la plus adaptee a notre pays et notre envoronnement. ”

  J’AURAIS VRAIMENT AIME SAVOIR TON OPINION LA DESSUS YA 3 ANS!!!
  ET PUIS OUI PEUT ETRE C LE MOYEN LE PLUS EFFICACE SI ET SEULEMENT SIII ON VEUT ETRE EN ETAT DE GUERRE SI ET SEULEMENT SI ON VEUT RESTER DANS CET ETAT POURRI DE NON STABILITE, SI ET SEULEMENT SI ON VEUT LIBERER LA PALESTINE… MAIS SI ON VEUT VIVRE DIGNEMENT SI ON VEUT VOIR NOTRE PAYS SE DEVELOPPER ET AVANCER, JE T’ASSURE QU’IL YA PLEINS DE MOYENS DIPLOMATIQUES BCP PLUS PERFORMANTS…

  4) “Ce que nous avons vecu depuis 2 ans c’etait un dictature. Eh bien il est temps que les choses changent vers le mieux.”

  CE N’EST PAS UNE DICTATURE C LA DEMOCRATIE MEME!!!! LA MAJORITE A LE POUVOIR C ELLE QUI GOUVERNE COMME DANS TOUS LES PAYS DU MONDE MAIS MALHEUREUSEMENT AU LIBAN YA DES GENS COMME VOUS QUI CROIENT QUE LE COUP ARME DE HEZBOLLAH LE 7 MAI C LA DEMOCRATIE!!!!!!!

• 59. othello | September 19th, 2008 at 1:48 pm

  hehehhehe I guess our beloved “Readers” ( as soneone put it the collective intelligent network of the aounistic clan brought together to answer a post ) have joined our brother Ja3far and are licking their wounds at the sounds of nasrallah speeches (to regain confidence in the cause and the umah)

  

• 60. Maximus | September 19th, 2008 at 1:51 pm

  Othello! Fuziyad !
  Développez encore, parlez, écrivez, ne vous arrêtez pas, ici, ailleurs…La cause a besoin de gens comme vous…

• 61. ja3far | September 19th, 2008 at 2:04 pm

  Othello , fuziad.. your information about the electricity in dahiye is another wrong information you have about your beloved shia community…
  Find below some contents from an interview made with Mohamed al safadi when he was taking responsibility of minister of electricity replacing funish…
  أصل الأزمة
  ¶ رأى تقرير البنك الدولي أن أصل مشكلة الكهرباء هو الفارق بين التعرفة الثابتة وارتفاع أسعار النفط العالمية، في حين أن الحكومة تحصر المشكلة بالإدارة والتعديات على الشبكة؟
  - أزمة الكهرباء متشعبة، إذ لدينا مشكلة إدارية، وخصوصاً أن مجلس الوزراء اتخذ قراراً بعدم التوظيف منذ سنوات، لذلك لم يعد هناك كفاءات في مؤسسة الكهرباء حالياً، حيث إن متوسط عمر الموظفين أصبح 58 سنة، ومن يعمل عبر التعاقد فهو يتقاضى أجراً يومياً وليس لديه خبرة، إضافة إلى النقص العددي الهائل في الموظفين في معظم قطاعات المؤسسة، إن كان في المحاسبة أو الإدارة العامة أو غيرها… وهنا تقع المسؤولية على السلطة السياسية كاملة. كذلك هناك مشكلة ثانية متعلقة بالوضع التقني الذي وُلد من مشكلة عدم التوظيف، كما هناك هدر في الإنتاج المتعلق بأوضاع المعامل ومشكلة الصيانة، إضافة إلى التعليق والاستعمال غير الشرعي للكهرباء. لذلك هناك مشكلات عدة، فعدم سداد الفواتير سببه الأساسي هو الفوضى التي يسببها الوضع السياسي غير المستقر، واستعمال الكهرباء غير المشروع سببه عدم مؤازرة الجيش لشركة الكهرباء في التحصيل وإزالة التعليق. إذاً أصبحت الشركة معرّضة، ولا يستطيع الإنسان وضع اللوم على الإدارة وحدها، إذ هناك مشكلة في الإدارة، والمعامل، والهدر في الإنتاج، والجباية، والوضع السياسي والناس

  ¶ يقول البنك الدولي إن تحسين الجباية 100% لن يزيد عائدات المؤسسة إلا 150 مليون دولار، فكيف تقرأ هذا الموضوع؟
  - لقد وصل العجز في المؤسسة إلى مليار و200 مليون دولار هذا العام، وإن استطعنا جباية نسبتها 100 في المئة، فسيصبح العجز ملياراً و50 مليون دولار، وإذا قمنا بجميع التحسينات الأخرى، فلن يقل العجز عن 900 مليون دولار سنوياً، بسبب فارق أسعار المحروقات. ومن المفترض أن نرفع التعرفة على كل المواطنين لحل هذه المشكلة، ولكن في ظل الوضع الاقتصادي والسياسي القائمين، لا نستطيع القيام بهذه الخطوة.

  تحصر بعض التصريحات ظاهرة التعليق على الشبكة بمنطقة الضاحية، في حين أن معظم المناطق اللبنانية فيها هذه الظاهرة، ألا ترى أنه من واجبك توضيح هذه الفكرة؟
  - في التوزيع الحالي للكهرباء نستطيع أن نعرف نسبة التعديات في المحافظات ككل، لذلك لا يمكن أن يحدد أحد ما هي نسبة التعديات في الضاحية أو برمانا أو أية منطقة أخرى. وما أستطيع تأكيده أن السرقات موجودة في جميع المحافظات، وقد كان لدينا مشروع جديد عبارة عن توزيع 16 ألف عداد صغير و800 عداد كبير في جميع المناطق اللبنانية، وذلك لمعرفة استهلاك المناطق ونسبة الهدر. وقد وضعنا دفتر شروط لإجراء مزايدة لاستلام هذا المشروع، أعلنت 3 شركات أجنبية عن رغبتها في المشاركة، وكانت تريد تقديم عروضها قبل حادثة مار مخايل، وقعت الحادثة فخافت الشركات واعتذرت عن المشاركة. لذلك لدينا إشكالات تقنية نتيجة الوضع الأمني غير المستقر.

  You guys should learn personal development and self criticism from N… readers is telling you saniora policy has led our country to a dept of more then 40 billion dollars.. you answer him your allies are thief .. grow up..

  salam

• 62. ja3far | September 19th, 2008 at 2:12 pm

  othello , fuziad… dont answer back everything for the sake of answering… you are making it a silly dibejee..

  the guerrila war and the resistance do exist long time before HA, LF, PLO or any other parties who claim resistance against occupying forces since eternity…

  HA have developped a new way and tectics of resistance that stopped israel from even entring to lebanon… any way this is a summery of the report mentioned on israeli NFC website .. it is in ibrew.. but take this summary for it…
  othello … we do read more then you think..
  موقع NFC الاسرائيلي على شبكة الانترنت نقل عن مسؤولين عسكريين أميركيين قولهم ان الولايات المتّحدة ستحوّل الجيش الجورجي الى اعتماد أساليب وتكتيكات حزب الله الّذي أثبت نجاحه ضدّ اسرائيل كي تكون جورجيا قادرة على مواجهة روسيا.
  التقرير الّذي نشر في التّاسع من هذا الشهر أشار الى أنّ الكولونيل الأميركي روبرت هيلتون الذي كان مسؤولاً عن تدريب جنود الجيش الجورجي الى حين اندلاع الحرب الاخيرة أكد أنّ الولايات المتّحدة تعمل الأن على ترميم قدرات الجيش الجورجي وتحويله الى جيش غير تقليدي يستطيع أن يضرب أرتال المدرّعات الروسية كما فعل حزب الله بنجاح في معركته ضد الجيش الاسرائيلي خلال حرب لبنان الثّانية.
  ونقل التقرير عن مصدر عسكري أميركي رفيع قوله: من الممنوع أن يبنى الجيش الجورجي الجديد على نمط الجيش الكلاسيكي، بل يجب أن يبنى على نمط حزب الله الذي أثبت نفسه جيّداً في حرب لبنان، حيث عرف كيف يدمج بين السلاح الحديث وقوات المشاة المنتشرة وحرب العصابات، حتى لا يكون هدفاً لسلاحي الجوّ والمدفعية الاسرائيليين. كما أنّ حزب الله نجح في توجيه ضربات قاسية للجيش الاسرائيلي بواسطة الصواريخ المضادة للدّروع. وفي جورجيا ذات الطبيعة الجبلية ومن داخل المنطقة المأهولة يمكن أن ينفّذ ذات الأمر ذاته ضد أرتال المدرعات.
  لكنّ شهادة التّقدير الأهم لمدرسة حزب الله القتالية تمثّلت في ما عبّر عنه رئيس الأركان الأميركي مايكل مولان والكثيرون في المؤسسة العسكرية الأميركية من أنّه يجب على الولايات المتّحدة أن تعدّ نفسها لمواجهة الأعداء عبر تبنّي أساليب حزب الله

  salam

• 63. ja3far | September 19th, 2008 at 2:20 pm

  but the really impressive part among your remarques is when you talk about democracy ..

  hahahahahhahahahahahahahhah seriously i cannot stop laughing about it ..hahahhahahahhahahahahhhahah no 3anjad .. are you serious ? you forgot that in lebanon ” al houkoum tawafoki ya shatreen ” that what ended the civil war .. that is itifak al taef… if you brake al tawafouk we go back to war .. your wise government broke this so they got the natural consequences…

  the really annoying thing is that nassrallah was so patient he made us waste 2 years…

  salam

• 64. ja3far | September 19th, 2008 at 2:23 pm

  othello .. in your answer 53 … you have exceeded all my expectations … our wounds are so deep mate.. so deep ..

  come on .. give me a brake.. you are more clever then this remarque ..walawe

• 65. Fuziyad | September 19th, 2008 at 2:31 pm

  Ja3far…apologies but I can’t read arabic(just gave you stick to beat me with)…can you let me know what your answers were?

• 66. ja3far | September 19th, 2008 at 2:43 pm

  sorry Fuziad… the first part is an interview with the minister, who is an m14 talking about the problems and the leakeges in the lebanese electricity.. it shows that all the propaganda about the shia people and the dahie in particular to be the main thiefs of electricity and the reason behind the electricty problem to be wrong…

  the 2d part is a summary of the israli - american report about reforming the georgian army based on HA school. the diference between HA tactics and normal resistance and the additional value is that they were able to stop an attacking army from invading and distroying the attacking fores..

  i know arabic may be not as intereting as moliere language .. but how come u cant read arabic? ouf..what school u been in?

• 67. Rima | September 19th, 2008 at 2:57 pm

  Jaafar

  The taef Accord is not incompatible with democracy. Its is an accord that is supposed to eveolve towards the establishment of the rule of law and a full fledged democratic society.
  Anyway, are you serious about your comment? there are three main impediments to the advancement of democracy in lebanon:
  the Syrian occupation or its effects, the presence of mini-Iran in lebanon and confessionalism.
  Your giggling about democracy is very unfortunate…it shows that people should be mature enough to embrace democracy…So sad

• 68. ja3far | September 19th, 2008 at 3:03 pm

  rima am not giggling about democracy.. am laughing about the fact that some people use the name of democracy when they want..

  lebanon is not ready for democracy yet..we still vote on religious bases… we still talk about the rights of sunnis, shias, maronites…

  some of the M14 leaders talk about al nouw3eeye wa al kamiye .. remeber?

  that is why am laughing.. am laughing about using the word.. not the concept it self..

  one final thing .. you remeber me of the matrix movie.. you know.. we are all agents to the big master mind… l0l…

  salam

• 69. Rima | September 19th, 2008 at 3:16 pm

  Jaafar/sam

  “you remeber me of the matrix movie.. you know.. we are all agents to the big master mind… l0l…” what do you mean?

  Anyway, it is not true that the latest elections were based on religious affiliations…Most people voted for either 14th March or 8th MArch…
  MAny of us are ready that is why we have problems in Lebanon.Unlike most middle eastern countries, Lebanon is trying to achieve democracy against all odds, against assassination, terrorism in all its forms,totalitarianism,…

• 70. ja3far | September 19th, 2008 at 3:21 pm

  you know.. thinking we are all the same person.. all look the same. ..the agent, havent u seen the movie?

  the last election was not 8 and 14 march .. you know there was al hilef al rouba3e… everybody against oun …

  salam

• 71. Rima | September 19th, 2008 at 3:36 pm

  There are a lot of things that make me beleive you are the same person…let’s admit it…who cares you can change names but you cannot change style my friend…sthg people can rarely control…:)

  Hilf rouba32…yeah I know but this does not apply in all areas…anyway the fact that people are allowed to vote freely…is one of the main pillars of democracy

• 72. othello | September 19th, 2008 at 3:54 pm

  Ja3far…

  you might not be ready for democracy (and the fate of the person who talked about naw3iyi w kamiyi proves it) but DO NOT GENERALIZE and include the entire Lebanese people with you.

  you might consider yourself far away from democracy (that is untill you have been able to twist and bend it to be the equivalent of what al faqih dictates) but again: DO NOT GENERALIZE…

  for your info, Lebanon was EXPORTING DEMOCRACY long before your ancestors came to this land…

  also for your info, it is to PREVENT this export of democracy to his country that 7afez assad decided to take control of Lebanon….but then had you read a little but of history, you would have known that before assad, the political scene in syria was extremely agitated with most coups being prepared and plotted in Lebanon….

  wba3den how on earth do you speak of democracy when you follow nasrallah and consider assad as the neatest thing after sliced bread???? forgot those who were accused of treason during 2006 and shot without any form of judgement or means to defend themselves????? al democracy al….

  fa please…whatever goes on in Da7iye IS NOT WHAT IS GOING ON in the rest of the coutnry…and your definition of democracy, no one is interrested in knowing about….

  for the last time, if you are here to spread your canned propaganda, spare us…go spread it on one of them orange sites (after all they are closer to your way of thinking )

  speaking of sites and democracy…tell me in all honesty: WOULD YOU HAVE BEEN ABLE TO WRITE WHAT YOU WROTE ON AL TAYAR BLOG OR A HA BLOG??????????????????? WOULD YOU HAVE BEEN ABLE TO CRITICIZE THIS MUCH????????????????? is there any such thing as a blog in any of your schools of thought???????? free thinking? expression of ones own opinion even if it differs from that of the big boss???

  and u jokingly referred to the matrix…my friend…you are mere pawns on a chessboard…nothing more amigo nothing more…liberate yourself from the mental slavery you are being subjected to…open your eyes my friend…look around you and compare objectively….ya ma7la l matrix….

  before I forget…considering the diversity of the population as an excuse for not having democracy is IMO setting up the stage to eliminate this diversity…in other words, to obtain a uniform society of the same color and taste….is this the democracy you are talking about??????

  cheers

• 73. Rima | September 19th, 2008 at 3:58 pm

  Shou hal Otello ya aami…

• 74. othello | September 19th, 2008 at 4:02 pm

  Well my dear Rima…we aim to please (we as in me myself and I :P)

• 75. Fuziyad | September 19th, 2008 at 4:07 pm

  Tks ja3far, I can’t read the articles because sa7bak el general hajjarna end of the 80’s when my home was destroyed and my mum injured(not the only reason I hate him tough)…I was 9 yrs back then and eventough I had went to school I wasn’t reading gibran yet… Actually I can read arabic but it would take me ages just to read a small article. I admit I should train a bit more…

  Concerning safadi, as you probably know he has been trying b jobbing the mukawimin for a while now so don’t quote him as being the ultimate m14 defender. Ba3den, let’s be pragmatic, is there a lot of people in HA republic who do not pay electricity or not? I don’t want to sound racist but even in fanar the shiias don’t pay their electricity bills….agreed that’s not the only problem of electricity but it is undoubtebly one, for the rest I think the argument that the electricity file has been in shourafas hands for ages is valid too…

  Concerning HA military capabilities, who denied they were good?? bass this doesn’t mean that the weapons have to stay in hassouna’s hands under khamenei command(this is not propaganda but fact!!) Then I guess you will agree with me that the israelies are paranoid to death about their existence, new genocides ect…threatening them all the time definitely doesn’t make them less dangerous for lebanon but more…am sure you agree and wafic safa does too…

• 76. ja3far | September 19th, 2008 at 4:54 pm

  Othelo…you see what you want to see .. you believe what you want to believe…and you are full of …and 3anjad spread me all this talking about you reading and history because falaetni and you don’t own the rivers of knowledge and wisdom…

  In 1977 , assad came into Lebanon with a warning and a push from Israel and USA.. either you go in and stop the PLO and their allies from taking over Lebanon or we will do.. so he went in with a complete cover from al kataeb and your friends…oups sorry u dont want to know this side of the story… and whether you know it or not , this had caused him to loose lot of funds he was receiving from the arab worlds since the 1967 war…ya bacha our relation with assad did not improve till few years ago .. he made us pay heavily before.. but couldn’t move our aim from the real enemy..

  You telling me democracy was spread before my ancestors? Chou jayee tzeyed 3laye bil lebnanye… tla3e min hal haraket el waldanee am not going to go into this stupid debate of who is more lebnane.. grow up and use logic for logic…wake up .. we are in the 21 century.. stop telling me we are finikiyee..we are better then the ugly arab ..

  You are telling me we are not ready for democracy? On which earth do you live man? Which TV do you watch? Which political views do you read? Have you forget that it is al batrak who was saying since al taef that al taefiya should be removed from al nofouss kabla al nossouce… so tla3lee min hal ja3danee haydee…

  HA was saying choose any voting system you want we are ready for it… and I have said.. you cristian unit to get over this stupid division in the country to get few extra vote… go reread what I said… you don’t want to listen..and am the one who is brain washed…

  Do you read what I write .. or you just label me.. ohh.. he is an HA ,, he live in the Dahia.. he is bearded. he is brain washed…he reads only what he is allowed to read.. he hate democracy.. they are the human reservoir…he want to go explode himself to get into the virgins in heaven… hajj habal baeaa… a3ed tzeyed 3aliye bil libnaniyeh… you are a racist ya tarazan… open your eyes ..

  Ya afandi.. democracy , need human development…it need you to appreciate the other human in his humanity…need you to accept his rights and equality … need you to become human…need you to stop talking about al naw3iye wal kamiye and get heavy applause in a university.. IN A UNIVERSITY .. so stop canning and labeling.. stop enjoying feeling like you scored by talking BS here and really try to understand the other human point of you…

  salam

• 77. Rima | September 19th, 2008 at 5:03 pm

  Hi ya Sam/jaafar

  Stop hal cliche innou nihna azzamna el souryieh ala el balad…Syria came to lebanon through ouwet rade2h arabyie to prevent the establishment of a radical sunni regime on its borders…they used the genocide against Christians to enter lebanon…mission accomplished get out syria…But Syria had many supporters and it enjoyed her journey….

  Since that moment, Syrians were bombarding us day and night off and on…So syria is my enemy not ISrael if you cooperate with my enemy…yu are my enemy…maybe a fatwa will be suitable here
  I wish I have time to answer all your points…but regarding democracy……yu don’t make sense at all…sorry you are ignorant in the matter…seek help from your Masters ya Sam…I mean jaafar

  Cheers

• 78. ja3far | September 19th, 2008 at 5:06 pm

  fuzziad… am sorry for what happened to you and your family… i really hope you will not live such an experience again.. honestly..

  an equal experience was being lived by the people of the south on continuous bases… they dont support HA because they want to live it again and again.. but because they know he will reduce such possibility…ye3ni inchallah we will be able to live in peace one day…

  regarding electricity .. i do pay my bill .. my family do to…and it is huge.. the talk about al dahiye is exagerated…try to read what i sent to you..

  salam

• 79. Rima | September 19th, 2008 at 5:08 pm

  “naw3iye wal kamiye and get heavy applause in a university..”

  Sorry let me answer this point: It is the truth and it applies on all of us… I mean all developing coutries have quantity not quality…can yu tell me why the west is much more advanced than us…..????? maaleich khayeh ma tizaal heyde kamiyeh/naweyeh AHSSAN BE KTIR MIN …WE WILL CUT HEADS HANDS WE MA BAAREF SHOU KAMMEN

  Umm i couldn’t resist not to answer this one

• 80. ja3far | September 19th, 2008 at 5:14 pm

  thank you for answering rima you made my point…

  salam

• 81. Rima | September 19th, 2008 at 5:22 pm

  Jaafar..hal blog is very good for your nafssiyeh coz it makes you smile a lot. Good on you

• 82. ja3far | September 19th, 2008 at 5:25 pm

  rima… god bless you and your family…

  salam

• 83. othello | September 19th, 2008 at 5:47 pm

  aaaah ja3far…you have a point?????????????????????where???? who??? when?????

  you want to dig history, lets:

  1978 when Israel Defense Forces came to the south of Lebanon, more than 80% of the shiites where throwing rice at them…they had had enough of the PLO guerrillas … I do not hear you criticize them….or has that part of history been removed from your memory through the propaganda machines ????

  in 1972 who was arming the palestinians habboub??? was it not hafez himself???? and why? simply to create a state of chaos in Lebanon so as to be able to come in in 1976 (not 77)….

  go read up as to who the “al sa3ika” was and where did its fighters receive their training….

  same plan his son is trying today by arming HA and hoping to create another chaos…

  Pierre Gemayel Senior once said we will deal with the devil if its for the sake of Lebanon….

  yes the Christians at one point welcomed the coming in of the Syrians…but I will remind you that the syrians came in under the cover of “kouwat al rade3 al 3arabiya” along with KSA and other arab countries…and later on scared the others out leaving it all alone on the scene….

  just like the Cristians dealt with the Israelis at another point….

  we were unarmed against a sea of radicalists who were committing massacre after massacre…do the names Damour and Chekka ring any bells???????????

  but you see, the core difference between us is that

  - we never aimed at importing the israeli revolution to Lebanon like your pal khoumeini wanted

  - we never aimed at making Lebanon a satellite state under the control of al faqih…

  - when syria and israel overstepped their boundaries, we stopped dealing with them and did not become slaves to them like some people I have seen the last couple of days PRAISING syria….

  - when Israel came in 1982 and besieged Beirut, I will remind you that BG REFUSED to allow the LF fighters to join the IDF…just like he refused to sign a peace agreement with Israel a matter that would cost us so much in the latter years….

  so you see, NEVER were we enslaved by any occupant my friend…you claim you are using syria ROFLMAO….

  just a question ya user inta: do you dare demand syria how come mughaniyi was killed on its soil a few meters away from the mukhabarat building???????????

  mughaniyi your numero uno…

  even more important than nasralla himself as analysts say…evaporated ….poooooof…..

  and they scream israel israel….

  too afraid to even DOUBT that syria might be in on it….and you say you are using Syria?????????????????????????

  as to the naw3iyi and kammiyi…

  dont play the record of the ma7roumin bi rabbak….

  I mean its so freaking pathetic you now…. nagging nagging nagging…what the hell….

  7aj ba2a playing the role of the victim by force….

  7aj ba2a clinging to an image thats been gone for almost three decades just because it suites you to lament….

  in fact 7aj ba2a…kafa hal add…

  more than 30,000 rockets, weapons of all kinds…

  in 2006 you brought war and destruction upon this country without succeeding in preventing ONE bridge from being blown…your actions almost took us back a century in the past and you dare come play the victims????????????

  in 2008 you invaded west beirut causing the death of many innocent civilians…you burned out a TV station just because it ws not praising the name of your sayed and you dare come lecture me about democracy and about quality????????????????????????????

  this is the diference between you and me my friend…

  I will never play the role of the victim even when the gun is at my head…whereas you hold the gun and you lament like a six year old whose lunch has been stolen….

  in 76 all we had were a couple of hunting rifles and no military training and we kept our head high fighting to the last breath to keep this land FREE….what were you doing??? kidnapping INNOCENT hostages????

  does the name Davis S. Dodge ring a bell????he was president of the AUB man…a UNIVERSITY for Gods sake…the year was 1982

  Torrejon, Spain. Does it ring a bell???? the year was 1984…83 people were either injured or killed…INNOCENT people…CIVILIANS

  Kuwait Airlines december of the same year…4 people MURDERED in cold blood…

  TWA flight 847 in 1985…The hijackers severely beat Passenger Robert Stethem, a U.S. Navy diver, before killing him and dumping his body onto the tarmac at the Beirut airport. was ths Liberating the land?????????????

  Dec. 31, 1986: Under the alias Organization of the Oppressed on Earth, Hezbollah announces it had kidnapped and murdered three Lebanese Jews. The organization previously had taken responsibility for killing four other Jews since 1984.

  Feb. 17, 1988: The group kidnaps Col. William Higgins, a U.S. Marine serving with a United Nations truce monitoring group in Lebanon, and later murders him.

  do you need more??? I can give you as many as you need…were all these actions part of liberating the land????????????????????????

  so stop with the whining pal…and stop with the ma7romin cliche…it has been worn down to bare threads man….

• 84. danny | September 19th, 2008 at 5:52 pm

  ja3far stinks like SAM!!

  Great rebuttal O…But you are wasting your breath on this loiterer whatever his name he changes to still STINKS!!!

• 85. othello | September 19th, 2008 at 5:54 pm

  danny

  to be honest I really dont care much about him or whoever his alter egos may be…

  I write to show them all that they cannot silence people with their pseudo logic and their demagogic statements…

• 86. Rima | September 19th, 2008 at 6:03 pm

  Ya Otello Inta sid el arfin hayda jaafar an agent..yaani ma bi Hiss we bifakker illa bi daffa el massari bi jaybtou…eh he does not mind working for the mossad if they pay him more…same apply to all Hizballah leaders….these are MOURTAZA2A COZ THEY FIGHT IN THE NAME OF IRAN…Ahmadi Najad is threatening of wiping Israel…do HA know what that means?…any weapon of mass destruction(biological/chemicl whatever..) thrown on Israel will mean the whole shiaa community in the South will be also wiped out if not all Lebanon…YA haram…Iran does not care about its loyal sheep if sacrified on the Altar of nuclear supremacy…
  Good night

• 87. Rima | September 19th, 2008 at 6:09 pm

  Otello it is always good to refute these arguments on this blog in case outsiders are reading. Good job Brother

• 88. ja3far | September 19th, 2008 at 6:36 pm

  Othello.. I don’t know why you reminded me the say: hear no evil, see no evil..
  may be because you want to see or hear or believe only what will make you feel good about yourself…” you have a point?????????????????????where???? who??? when????? ” typical way of thinking.. I know everything.. every body who think differently are wrong .. so typical…

  Habibi… history of Lebanon is written and read differently…
  You accuse me of kidnapping the hostages… and killing people in the 80s… Lebanon was jungle in the 80 … I say…your information are not accurate…
  But am wondering why you are opening this page…Do you see me reminding you of the black Saturday in december 1975 .. ( by the way do you know where was BG at that day?)
  Do you see me reminding you of karantina? Of tal al zaatar?of what happened to chamoon tigers? Of sabra and chatila? Of sidon and miyeh wa miyeh? You don’t…
  I think it is better to close this page for both of us … don’t you think?

  You know I prefered your attitude in our previous discussion yesterday… you were more wise more modest…

  I don’t claim to be perfect… do you? Do u prefair we stick our communication on trying to score points against each other or to try to understand each others…

  salam

• 89. g_cedar | September 19th, 2008 at 6:42 pm

  Othello your quote:
  “- when Israel came in 1982 and besieged Beirut, I will remind you that BG REFUSED to allow the LF fighters to join the IDF…just like he refused to sign a peace agreement with Israel a matter that would cost us so much in the latter years….”

  true, BUT after sheikh Bashir was brutally assasinated, members of the LF and “others” committed the Sabra and Chatila massacres in revenge, and of course proceeded to do Israel’s bidding under US pressure and eventually Amine gemayel’s pro LF government DID sign a peace treaty in May 1983 which had to be revoked later under syrian bombs. No one is above reproach Othello, everyone was involved in dealing and bargaining with outsiders and do their bidding as long as it was to their advantage.

• 90. ja3far | September 19th, 2008 at 6:58 pm

  othello .. one more thing. regarding moghnieh…following moghnieh assacination a very high ranked syrian officier: mohamed solaiman al dabeit .. who is responsible for the strategic arsenal in syria was assacinated… moghnieh and mohamed were working in the same project…

  salam

• 91. danny | September 19th, 2008 at 7:07 pm

  ja3far/sam honour(something you hizzies supposedly asre experts in; ya ashraf el nas) your word and buzz off…even if you change your name you still come across as an idiot…

  capiche???

• 92. ja3far | September 19th, 2008 at 7:14 pm

  danny … grow up…

• 93. Tarek | September 19th, 2008 at 7:17 pm

  Well there has been a saying that Lebanese are smart. Aoun and his followers show more and more that Lebanese are the stupidest people one earth.

• 94. othello | September 19th, 2008 at 7:34 pm

  g_cedar:

  not all lebanese my friend not all…

  some chose to go to prison for a very long time because they refused to work against their principles….this is what many people are failing to see today…whether voluntarily or involuntarily…but anyways this is another topic…maybe the subject of another post soon

  HK…may he rest in peace but I would not say he represents the way I feel..never did, never will.

• 95. danny | September 19th, 2008 at 11:47 pm

  sam you are a total mukhabarati prick.

• 96. Za7lewe | September 20th, 2008 at 6:35 am

  Kbir ya ja3far.

  Othello

  Go cover your face.

• 97. othello | September 20th, 2008 at 9:40 am

  yiiii …..

  does it get more theatrical???????????????????

  anyways…

  cover my face? no my friend…its not in our habit to cover our face we have nothing to hide…

  Jaafar…your cock and bull stories…save them for your kids at bed time eh…not for us…a high ranking officer….yeah sure….and I am the king of nordstan hehehehehhe cheeech man … how gullible can you get???

  anyways…bottom line is still the same…
  you can make up all the lies you want…invent all the stories you can…in the end, ma bi so7 ella el sa7i7…..

  oh and by the way….regarding junblat….a thought just crossed my mind….you are cheering the fact (or what you dream to be a fact) that he might be leaving M14…let me ask you this: a person so sure of his position, of his status, of his popular support and base, does he cheer at any such sign????eno you guys are supposed to be abou rabba ye3ni …. w M14 are supposed to be “negligeable entity” fa why this joy?????????

  in all cases enjoy it while it lasts and do yourself a favor: learn to read politics better than thru the eyes of thunder (raad :P)

• 98. N10452 | September 20th, 2008 at 9:45 am

  Ja3far,
  This illusion about Lebanon’s history being read differently is a big lie .. and thats Lebanon’s enemies argument to justify their non-Lebanese plans starting with Hezbollah ..

  Lebanon’s history is crystal clear, Christians came and founded this country and joined Muslims who refused to accept that country at first, then some of them integrated while others got busy in collaborating with the Palestinians & Syrians to destroy it, the attempt failed but Christians got weakened
  and had inner-fights which weakened them further, then Syria invaded us and other Muslims ( Shiites) got themselves busy allying with Syria & Iran to destroy Lebanon ..

  Its very clear and only vague in the eyes of those who dont believe in Lebanon .. and IMHO, Christians a did a big mistake not listening to Edde back in the 30s and joining all those parts of Lebanon and making Christians less than 50 % in the country ..

  As for your historical events, yes please do open the Black Saturday .. ya3ne ba3ed na2ess hayde tefta7a wou tkhabbir 3a Bashir Gemayel .. open it lachouf wou tell me what happened wou who got killed ..

  Remind me of Karantina, wou Tal el Zaatar wou Tigers woulli baddak …

  Chou sar honeek ?? massacres ?? het lanchouf what ur history teacher taught you about them ..

  We never were ashamed of anything we did in the past, and we will never regret anything … Sabra was not done by the LF, and we were the first to condemn it .. as for others, 2inba7 sawoute wou ana fassiroun bass it is my pleasure to repeat them for ignorants who think they can score on the LF that way ..

  Salam wou Salamat ..

• 99. othello | September 20th, 2008 at 10:30 am

  N

  Dont bother man with THEM man…
  there is no blinder than he who does not want to see…

  all they want to see/hear is what thunder screams at them in his fiery speeches or what nasrallah vociferates while gesturing with his hand…

  wear a turban, grow a beard and between each wor scream al mawto li amrika al mawto li israil…

  between each sentence insult your fellow lebanese…accuse them of being traitors and thieves…blame everything on them….

  then I tell you, you can pass any message to the masses…ANYTHING you say will be taken as mounzal….

  but if you come with logic and reason….dont expect anything from anyone man…
  bttla3lak jaw2it l keshkosh wa7ad bi tabbel wel teni bi zammer wel telit bi oul shi…w