The Lebanese Forces Business Assembly - an Introduction at The Ouwet Front: A Lebanese Forces Blog

The Lebanese Forces Business Assembly - an Introduction

Posted by othello

Because the Lebanese Forces was the first to take up arms when the time called for a fight, and the first to give up those arms when we saw a hope for peace settling on this land…

Because we have held the Christian cross on our shoulders along the long path to the ultimate sacrifice, not hesitating once to offer the dearest of what we had for the sake of this country.

Because the Lebanese Forces is an extension of a centuries old desire to stay on this land…

Because the Lebanese Forces was, is and will forever be an institution towards the future…

Because our resistance should never stop as long as we have not achieved the goals set forth, goals which include the consolidation of a strong and independent nation, free from all foreign intervention, a nation where we as Christians can live side by side with our Muslim compatriots on the same level, without thoughts of worry or fear, without any injustice or any inequality..

Because there are others in this country, who for reasons that have nothing to do with nationalism, or with the good of this land, prefer to wreck havoc and sow hatred, acting on external agendas and orders, or on personal dreams of grandeur and lust for power

Because, it is our duty as THE ORIGINAL resistance to do something for this country, to keep giving and never stop

Because we refuse to go back to the days where the gun was mightier than the pen and we refuse to immerse our country once again in the terrible bloodbath brought upon by war and because we refuse to have others settling their scores with our children’s lives and their innocent blood

Because of all the above, we at the Lebanese Forces have decided to shift our resistance effort onto something more constructive and thus came out with the Lebanese Forces Business Assembly (LFBA).

What is it?

Well it is a grouping of LF business men who are putting all their efforts together, forming a wall of resistance against the obvious plan to impoverish the Lebanese people, more specifically the Christians, pushing them to emigrate and leave this country.

Those men, who in the past held a gun in defense of their lands, today hold the pen and their businesses and aim at forming a safety net for their less fortunate brothers in order to help them survive those rough and tough days.

The image of the fierce fighter holding a gun, an image our enemies have long capitalized on keeping in the collective memory of the people in their nonstop effort to marginalize the Lebanese Forces, will soon be replaced by that of the educated business man opening up new business opportunities and investments to bring a long lost prosperity to this country.

As an example of their efforts, the LFBA will be hosting the very first Regional Congress in Cyprus this December. This congress aims at bringing together LFers from all over the globe to network, to communicate and to encourage each other to expand their horizons.

This should have a positive impact on business men based both in Lebanon, as it would open for them new ventures, and those based abroad as they would get a chance to give something back to their beloved country by investing in it.

The congress will also host a multitude of speakers from different economic domains who will attempt to present an accurate picture of the current economic situation in the country after the terrible tragedies that have not ceased to fall upon it.

I believe with this congress, the Lebanese Forces is turning a very important page in its history and proving to the entire world that it is always up to the challenge, be it a military one or an economic one.

It would be good to see other parties do the same instead of coming out with fiery speeches and useless rhetoric in an attempt to escalate things further into chaos

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Posted by othello on 11.02.07 @ 3:30 pm |

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1. Bravo | November 2nd, 2007 at 4:01 pm

Othello
Je ne peut pas te dire autre que CHAPEAU BAS sur ce poste.
Que dieu te bénisse.
2. tareq | November 2nd, 2007 at 8:12 pm

This is Good News…Thank you Otello but I have a question why the conference in Cyprus?…If many businessman will come from outside maybe it is better to come to Lebanon and spend money in our country.

But this is a Good move to help the business continue in the tough times.
3. paul | November 2nd, 2007 at 9:36 pm

very well , but can EVERY ” ouwatje”be sure that he will be welcome there?
4. LF Forever | November 3rd, 2007 at 1:49 am

Few weeks ago, I sent an email to this organization! no answer. Seems they are going to enjoy good time in Cyprus and they don’t like us to join…I had no answer to my email asking how we have to do.

My opinion as usual, our leaders decide who can be business man and who is not.
5. Fred | November 3rd, 2007 at 8:09 am

The problem with this recently creted assembly that the joining criterias were so flexible so far. Maybe in the goal of having an important number of members there was almost no selection criteria. Anyone can self proclaim himslef as Businessmen. My only concern with this is that we might miss the opportunity of creating a professional Business Assembly that can invest LF money and generate revenues for LF and creat job opportunities for LFers and their families and for the society in general. The current assembly is far from being able to do so. I hope the coming meeting is a step in upgrading the status of the LFBA.
6. LF Forever | November 3rd, 2007 at 1:21 pm

Fred,

I agree with you. I think they have something in mind that we don’t know and we can’t know seems. Some of our friends, forget the ouwet fighting in Souk el ghareb, sannine, hadath…maybe we are so far from the interest today because we are imigrant and they don’t like us anymore. Who knows maybe one day they need us when Hariri stop financing them! I guess.
7. Othello | November 3rd, 2007 at 2:22 pm

Tareq,

your question about why Cyprus is a good one. The fact is many people still cannot come to Lebanon or feel it is not yet secure enough to come over.

Plus, you have security reasons which forbid certain prominent LF officials or MPs from moving freely…this is the reason.
8. Othello | November 3rd, 2007 at 2:22 pm

Paul…

Usually I do not answer such questions because there is only one Ouwet Lebneniyi…and henceforth, one type of ouwete…as for who can and who cannot, as far as I know (and I ought to know since I am in the executive committee) THERE ARE NO RESTRICTIONS as to who can come and who cannot.

ALL ARE WELCOME.

However, in the last couple of months, it seems there is a certain number of “brothers” who have distanced themselves from the LF under many reasons (most of which usually turn out to be pure BS by the way, but this is another story all together)…

some of them consider they are too “elite” to mingle with the “commoners” in the LF, others baddon ynazro wy3almo l3alam kif bada temshi at the time they themselvs dont know where the hell they are…again another story I will not bother with here because I do not want to get out of topic…

I will just send ALL of them a message: sometimes the ennemy within turns out to be more deadly than the ennemy outside…let them stop their random fiing at the LF and DO SOMETHING MORE CONSTRUCTIVE than theorizing and criticizing for the sake of criticizing.
9. Othello | November 3rd, 2007 at 2:29 pm

LF Forever…

I AM THE ONE HANDELING THE EMAILS.

We sent out an invitation TO ALL THOSE REGISTERED with the LFBA for two reasons:

1- it is purely a business congress aimed at BUSINESS people.

2- for security reasons I canot answer every Tom, Dick and Harry who email me…

If you are in Lebanon, join up with the LFBA or check the website we put up specifically for the details: http://www.lfba-lebanon.org

Regarding what you said about leaders deciding: a couple of months ago there was a GENERAL call to ALL the lebanese people through the Media inviting ANYONE interrested to a conference held in Bzoummar to launch the LFBA. If you attended, and registered, your email would have been with me and I would have sent you all the details.

On the official web site of the LF, there was a link inviting anyone interrested to register on the web and seminars were held every other week to welcome people aboard…again, had yo shown up, you would have been in my database…

so please, next time, before you criticize left and right and pour UNFOUNDED accusations, do your homework better and ONLY THEN can you come and complain….

have a good day
10. Othello | November 3rd, 2007 at 2:40 pm

Fred.

you say the criteria is very flexible. Let me ask you a question: HOW DO YOU DEFINE A BUSINESSMAN IN LEBANON????

This said, should there have been stricter criteria, people like our friend LF Forever would have come out to complain that leaders decide who is Businessman and who is not…in arabic I would summarize this as 7tarna ya ar3a men wayn badna nboussik….

The LFBA is doing many things and working on MANY projects, this I can assure you…if we do not publicise them, it is for an obvious reason that we do not want any of the MOUHEBBIN to torpedoe them…and usually when a project is finalized, it is publicised to whoever NEEDS to know.

regarding recruitment, we have helped over three dozen people find jobs in the last couple of months…in the Bible, it says SEEK AND YE SHALL FIND…ASK AND YE SHALL BE GIVEN…

the problem with some Lebanese is THEY DO NOT WANT TO SEEK…they want everything to be delivered to their doorstep without them moving their a$$es…

well sorry this is not going to happen.

For your information, the LFBA is the first group that DARED take such a giant leap…

many out there who consider themselves LF spend 99% of their time criticizing and theorizing…to this day, I have yet to see them take ONE POSITIVE step…a single one…a tiny itsy bitsy one…

noooo…

they sit on thier plump chairs in USA, Canada or Europe and theorize…w afkar add ma baddak…bel kilo…w khbar w tonzir…bass when it comes to takeing the zir out of the bir, you dont see anyone on the ground…thinking that the enire world owes them for some reaosn or another…well pal, when you join a cause like the LF, you owe it, IT DOES NOT OWE YOU ANYTHING.

Those who died did not die asking shou jeyini…those who went to jail durig the syrian occupation…they did it for a cause…they believed in the cause…when you work for a cause, THE LAST THING YOU ASK IS WHAT AM I GETTING OUT OF IT…its not an investment you put in money expecting a quick ROI…

the LF is not some country club you join and expect your membership to come with certain privileges or extras…

Fa I hope that in the future we will see more of those people who claim to care for the LF come out with more practical ideas and more feasible concepts…maybe, just maybe they can help the LF take more positive steps forward.

cheers
11. Othello | November 3rd, 2007 at 2:48 pm

LF Forever…

regarding your post number 6.

I can feel the hatred and the bitterness in your tone.

I do not know who you are nor where you come from, but I do know one thing: such an attitude is destructive to its bearer.

NO ONE IS FORGETTING THE MARTYRS.

NO ONE IS IGNORING ANY ONE.

NO ONE IS PUTTING AISDE ANYONE.

This is a business assembly, ma tokhlot cha3ben bi ramadan.

For your info, invitations to the LF Diaspora were sent out BEFORE invitations to the people living in Lebanon. ALL THE OFFICES RECEIVED THE NOTE SIMULTANEOUSLY several days before we started mailing the individuals WHO REGISTERED WITH US.

you cannot sit in a hole somewhere and expect the world to know about you if you do not make yourself heard.

many people bitch about not being heard or not being considered when they make absolutely no effort to come out of the ranks and be heard.

I am an IT person. I jined the LFBA because I do business as well. I could have stayed like many, an unknown figure and contended myself with receving mails every now and then or phone calls to announce a meeting. BUT I DID NOT. I took the extra step and proposed my services to them. FOR FREE…working 18 hours a day, I forced myself to find a slot of time for the LFBA and now I am in the executive committee…

what did you do? are you even regsitered with the LFBA? heck are you registered with your LF chapter wherever you are? do they know you? do they know you are LF???? I doubt…probably you are one of those who are afraid to claim out their political stances in the opening and yet want to punishg everyone for ignoring you…anyways I do not propose to analyze you because it is not my job and I could be mistaken…but most often this is how it turns out to be when I investigate further into the complaints I get…I hope you are not like this…but if you are, maybe its time you reconsidered your stances….

yalla ciao
12. othello | November 3rd, 2007 at 3:03 pm

Bravo

Merci pour le chapeau…nous essayons de faire de notre mieux, mais vous voyez les conditions dans lesquelles on travaille…meme ceux qui se disent etre FL sone en train de nous tirer dessus…et pour qulles raisons???????

en tout cas…DSG l’a dit plusieures fois: ma bi so7 ella el sa7i7…et, avec le temps, cela s’avere de plus en plus juste….

encore une fois, merci.
13. Tom, Dick and Hury | November 3rd, 2007 at 6:31 pm

3ammo Othello,

“”do your homework better and ONLY THEN can you come and complain….”"

My homework? are you the one who should give it to me (FALLAH ENTA)? Do you think we still are in the SAKANE (TAHET AMRAK)? You are full of shit, arrogant and don’t know how to do your homework yourself (organizing a conference). Anyway isa yalli rah yesjal esmo in a conference that you organize bikoun metel kharjak and be sure I am not even thinking to partecipate anymore, after that I contacted you and you didn’t answer (Homework). Di3an el Ouwet ya shabab, saret a bunch of GANGS.

You know waht? you will be so good in organizing good conference for the Fallahin yalli metlak.

Allah yerhamak ya Bashir w yerham el tanzim taba3 el Past. Look how we end, arrogant and full of Bla Bla Bla.

Yalla (not) Ciao but Addio Othello

Yours

Tom, Dick and Harry

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Kiddo…

Although I could have deleted your post, I left it to show the world how biased and how unitateral your mind is…

When you use the word “fallahin” you show the amount of hatred you have and the main reason a person like you stands today on criticism of DSG…far from being politically based, your criticism of the current LF and of DSG is that you are INCAPABLE OF CONCEIVING that DSG is the leader of the LF, simply because he comes from Bcharre and in consequent, not from one of the royal families that have plagued this country for ages…and I bet you dare to call the current LF feudal with all this…I bet if Samir was called Samir Gemayel or CHam3oun or Franjieh, you would be singing his praises today….

anyways, the “fallahin” you talk about have in the past proven themselves and HAVE NOTHING TO PROVE TO a two bit bigot like yourself. At least we are doing something when others are just nagging and crying like kids over an immaginary past they are trying to superimpose on the reality of things.

your talk of Bachir shows to what degree you are lost and confused….Bachir was the first to fight feudalism my friend…and look at you today…begging for a blue blood to come “lead” you…

go fix the crossed wires in your head and then come and talk.

Othello
14. Tareq | November 3rd, 2007 at 6:50 pm

Othelo Allah ya3tik 3afie thank you for your great job and thank for the answer…I talked to a LF friend and now we think Cyprus is better for the meeting because only serious people will go because it cost money to travel to Cyprus but in Lebanon you have some who go for ta2 7anak because it cost them no money to go…Anyways it is good for security also like you saying.

Thanks for your work!
15. ziko | November 3rd, 2007 at 8:02 pm

As long as there is no transperancy and accountability in the LF no one should give money. For example, where the money came to build Maarab compound? Why this money for example was put in a business to help the rifa’ in need??

What happened to the Swiss bank account that was in the name of Geagea and Setrida?

When you deal with money, you shold be transparent, the LF is not transparent.
16. fake | November 3rd, 2007 at 8:13 pm

khaye el general chefef na7na la2. w mo3rab saret 2osto ma3roufe nabech w s2al bta3ref men wayn mosryato. 2amma bel nesbe swiss bank hayde jdide 2awal mara besma3 fya
17. othello | November 5th, 2007 at 9:59 am

Tom, Dick and… Hury

looks like I touched a nerve somewhere eh heheheheh…

why all the anger????

did you feel concerned when I spoke of those that sit on their asses doing nothing and blaming the world for their failures??? iza hayk, shou badi ellak…

I will not answer your post because frankly its not anything I care to bother with…losers are a dime a dozen and there will allways be someone so want to accuse the entire world of his under achievements…

cherio
18. othello | November 5th, 2007 at 10:04 am

Ziko

No one is holding a gun to your head and forcing you to pay the LF…

if you are afraid for your money, just keep it with you…no one is after it I can assure you.

and next time you want to talk about something, be sure to have some concrete evidence…at least more concrete than what tante josephine or tante foutinie spoke about while drinking coffee 3al sob7iyi….I mean here the swiss account.

Regarding the LFBA dealing with money, ALL THOSE who are in the LFBA are aware as to how the money is spent…in fact there are times where we dig in our own pockets when the occasion demands it…fa please spare me the orange propaganda talk and try to make sense next time you throw your allegations left and right,.
19. Tom, Dick and Hury | November 5th, 2007 at 2:19 pm

Othello,

“”looks like I touched a nerve somewhere eh heheheheh…”" Othello.

Maybe the nerve that you miss!
20. Zico | November 5th, 2007 at 10:29 pm

othello,

Kil criticism w truth w reality saro orange propaganda? Hatayna masare min jaybitna lama ma ken fi hada. Hatayna dam ‘albna lama ma ken fi hadan. It is not harm to say that without accountability and transparency no one should give money. LFBA is not teh one that should know where the money is going, every person who gives you a penny should be sent a detailed paper showing where every penny was spent.

As for the account in Siwss banks, ask the leader Geagea what happened to that account. If he can;t tell you mayb the future will.

Maybe you should push to make the LF accountable and tranparent instead touhbit hitan 3layna.

Either do a good job or don’t do it w trabihna jmileh.

By the way, I can group a list of pple and the amount of money they gave in teh past 11 years, can you find out where they went?

Or yali n’arat n’arat w now it is a new page of how to collect money?
21. othello | November 5th, 2007 at 11:51 pm

ziko

when u fight for a cause, you do not ask for a ROI.

The thousands who gave their lives never asked why…they just did it for a cause…those who died when the madman decided the LF were a threat to his dreams…you think they did it for fun???????answer me…do you think they gave up their lives looking for a position or for a reward????

The moment you become LF, you stop asking what is in it for me…

I gave 3 years of my life between 88 and 90 because I believe in a cause…and because I still believe I went on to make something of myself rather than sitting on the glories of the past waiting for I dont know what to come from I dont know where…this is the true LF…a spirit of survival…or resistance to failure and resistance to surrender…when the going gets tough and while the likes of you sit on their asses nagging, others stand up nd fight.

no one 3am yrab7ak jmili. however I see you 3am trabe7 l 3alam jmili.

min 3am yhabbit 7itan?

isnt it you with the looser attitude?

you know jack shit about the topic yet you come in with your cock and bull stories trying to make everyone feel sorry for your ass….

do a good job?

well at least you will not see me whine and nag left and right whenever I get the chance to.

go get a life and stop blaming others for your shortcomings kid…believe me its better for you.
22. othello | November 5th, 2007 at 11:52 pm

TDH…

I rest my case with you for you are unfortunately a dead end…enjoy your sorry ass life
23. ziko | November 6th, 2007 at 12:36 pm

Dear Othello,

No one is asking you or asking others for a return. We are asking and it is our right to ask where our money was spent. We have all the right on earth to ask. Only those who are afraid from giving the numbers to people are the one who are afraid and hiding something.

I became LF by choice. I gave money by choice, I sacrified by choice. Yet I have all teh right to ask where my money and my sacrifices went.

I am not asking you to be sorry for anyone. I am asking you to come out and be a man and show us the numbers insitead of talking filth in your replies. I guess truth hurts a lot.

No one is nagging nor whinning. Yet I am asking for accountability and transparancy.

Something it seems you and the LF do not have.

I do have a life and I enjoy it. I do not have any shortcomings, I am very happy with what I have done in life so far. Those who are afraid of being transparent and be accountable are the one who are full of failure and act like kids (the way you just did) or act like bullies (like many of your friends) when faced with a simple and normal demand. ACCOUNTABILITY and TRANSPARENCY. This demand is not nagging or shortcomings, …. This is to protect the money of the rifa’. Something it seems it is ok to steal in your opinion simply because they chose to be LF.
24. othello | November 6th, 2007 at 12:52 pm

Ziko

you say you gave your money and you do not know where it is…I will tag along…

1- AFAIK, there has not been, since 1994, any OFFICIAL fund raising done by the LF…

2- can you please tell us HOW your money was given to the LF and donnated to who? I happen to know the person in charge of the accounting in LF today and I quoted this from his own words. maybe you can also tell us how much you donated??? I mean from what you say it sounds like a hefty sum…

3- I am not saying many people did not raise money falsely claiming it was for the LF…in fact many used this as an excuse but then there was no LF so to speak back then and things were as you know very confused since DSG was in jail and you had dkekin open all over the place.

4- people who fell victims of those crooks cannot, in anyway blame the LF for this…I mean when I pay such heavy ammounts, I demand a certain clarity of vision…so the accountability should have been back then and from the people you paid to…not from the LF.

5- you talk as if the LF has been active and working in the open for tens of years, totally ignoring the fact that DSG came out to freedom in 2005, thats 2 years ago and since then he has been trying to reorganize the LF as much as possible, despite the backstabbing from so called rife2 and the general status of things in Lebanon…not exactly the type of environment suitable for reorganizing I hope you do agree…

your talk reminds me of the same arguments some people used to fire at DSG even before he came out…

upon investigation, it turned out those were already well settled in other “entities” and were just after the base of the LF…trying to cut it down in order to parasite its remains and grow on them….

anyways…I will tell you one thing: come back to me in 2 years time…heck i am not asking you for much…DSG stayed in jail for 11 years and during those 11 years, EVERYTHING was done to break the LF…I did not say give me one year for every year spent in jail…i am saying give me 2 years until this shit settles and the Lf gets a chance at regrouping and then come back and talk…

till then, sorry pal…I will tell you take a number and wait for your turn
25. Zico | November 6th, 2007 at 4:37 pm

Othello,

Tag along and enjoy the ride.

1- There was official fund raisings for the LF from 1994 and after unless you and the rest are not aware of it. Money was collected from rifa’ in Australia, US, Europe, …. In the name of the LF, inside LF chapters, … and were sent to Lebanon. Unless those outside do not consider Lebanese and LF.

2- The money was donated, either cash, or cheques or by credit cards. It was donated to LF officials all around the world. Are you ready for names? I can start naming from 1994 till November 6, 2007. Maybe your friend can shed the light on the money donated to MP Zahra on his last trip and where it was spent. Here is one name for you and it is recent 2007. It doesn’t matter how much I put or other put. Rifa’ took the money from their families’ mouth and gave them to the LF. It is disgusting how you answer them back. The elast you and your friend can do is send them out a sheet to make them aware where their money was spent. I could have gave since 1994 thousands of dollars (I can give you few names who gave thousands of dollars and today are disgusted of the way you and others are talking about them) or I could have given one dollar. It is the duty of the LF to show its members where the money was spent.

3- Are you saying that those who raised money in the past did it falsely? I doubt or else two of them wouldn’t have returned from outside Lebanon and now are at geagea side. If you are saying they stole money, you are saying that Geagea like thieves around him. If you want to talk about those days, I will be more than happy to tell you about them maybe you will find out who used all th thousands of dollars sent to the LF in Lebanon. Or you could explain recently what happened to the money that for example MP Zahra collected on his trip outside Lebanon.

4- Collecting the money in the name of the LF and in an LF office and those are in power today should be held accountable. I am not asking you to lynch them or hang them. I am not even accusing anyone of stealing. It is funny how you took the subject in that direction (maybe you know about some stealing that I am not aware of). All I what I said (before you came out biting and barking) is that not a penny should be given to the LF if there is no accountability and transparency. Aslan how do you Othello accept to be part of something that is not transparent? Do you like that people one day say Othello stole money. You should be taking what I am telling you and run with it, propose it and fight for it. Fight for the right of your rifa’. Those who took money in the past are still in the LF thus the LF and its leader are accountable. Ma hada ahsan wala akbar min hada in this world. When our money was sent to Beit el Hakim where were you guys? Is it too much asking how this money was spent and on what? Mistaktira fina khaye Othello? Have you got an education or is it that the filth around you is shedding the light on your education?

5- Funny, you want to throw 11 years of our sacrifices down the drain because Samir Geagea was in jail. We are not allowed to ask about things that happened while he was in jail. Shu hal mentality el rahibe haideh. Maybe we should have closed and thrown the LF because he was in jail too? Yet we continued and kept the LF alive. But do not dare to ask where this money was spent. ‘ou3a .. deddeh .. No Othello, those who collected money in Australia, Europe,… are next to Geagea. Those who collected money in North America are still in their positions. We have all the right to ask where the money was sent and how it was spent. We do have rights, and we protect those rights. No one can intimidate us or can take those rights from us. Syrian couldn’t do it and for sure zo3ran el ouwet can’t. You want to tag along, ahlan wa sahlan. All I asked is for accountability and transparency, yet you insisted on pushing the envelope. Tag along la ‘ilak.

6- I am not firing at Dr. Geagea. If calling for transparency and accountability in how the money is spent or will be spend, is firing at Geagea as you say, then there is no sense in debating issues with people who only see Dr. Geagea as God and no one can talk anything about the LF. Not even to improve it. People who are afraid of what they have done or their past are the one who are not willing to discuss anything. The universe doesn’t run around Geagea. If we say we want to know where this money is going to be spent, it doesn’t mean it is an attack on Geagea.

I care less who is cutting the LF and who is after the base. The LF base is with Dr. Geagea and this is the least of my problem and do not give a damn about it. Samir Geagea is the head of the LF and will stay head of the LF. The LF follow Samir Geagea. Maybe I should declare that from the start, because I think baathist mentality worked very well on Lebanese brains all those 30 years. The leadership of Samir Geagea is not a problem.

Accountability and transparency in how the money is going to be spent is. I am talking from experience and as it seems you have none in this field and that is why you took this discussion towards Geagea, pple shooting at him, ….

Why do I need to come back to you in 2 years? We are talking about business and money now. The LF is starting something new now. Don’t you want to start it right? Or maybe in 2 years you will tell me, well those who been stealing money in 2 years, did it to undermine Geagea?

I am not asking for your “sorry” and I am not your “pal”. I am your RAFI’ something many of you forgot what it means and forgot all kind of respect to any one who is asking you to do the right thing. If this is the crème de la crème of the LF then there is no need to see you in 2 years. You will be already finished by then.

N.B: how Maarab was build? Where the money came from?
26. Tareq | November 6th, 2007 at 6:04 pm

Zico, at the beginning I thought your question was fair and I thought Othelo was aggressive to you in the answer…but your comment #25 took the credibility out for me…how can you say zo3ran el ouwet about a rafi2?? You can say about one person az3ar because zo3ran are everywhere, even in LF or any party, but why to use the “zo3ran el ouwet” like the Aounis or anti-LF people?…I think Othelo was right when he said “orange propaganda”

If I am wrong about you then my advice is you stop giving money to LF and may be you can sue them to get back your money…Maybe also you can work from inside to change it with Transparent and Accountability but that is all you can do I think…LF is not forcing you to give money and no one force to stay in the LF but the LF is not the government you cannot demand Accountability from outside.

That is my neutral advice I am not a LF official
27. Zico | November 6th, 2007 at 7:43 pm

Tareq, I see zo3ran every where. From all what I said this term za3ajak?? I understand of there are no zo3ran in the LF. You just admitted that there are zo3ran bil ouwet because the zo3ran are all over. Once we admit we have zo3ran inisde our LF then it is a step towards cleaning the LF.

As for accountability any party around the world, any company around the world send out every year a run down on how much money it collected and where it was spent.

Haideh in parties who respect themsleves and their members. I think you do not want the LF not to respect its members.

Domage bas zo3ran took away from my credibility yet you admit there are zo3ran.

Here another disclaimer to you, zo3ran fi bil ouwet, aounist, kataeb, Kitleh, aharar, …. hizballah, amal, PSP, future, …..

mni7 hek?
28. Tareq | November 6th, 2007 at 9:18 pm

Zico I dont mean there is no zo3ran in LF I already say that you can call one person in LF az3ar but why say “zo3ran el ouwet”…this is different it is not za3ajetneh but this is what anti-LF people say…it means ALL ouwet are zo3ran. That the credibility issue, that is all, I dont know who are you so only the words tell if we are doing propaganda or being honest. If I am wrong about you I apologize but your comment #25 dont give any name other than MP Zahra but you say many things happened so I dont know how to believe what you say. I think if you care about LF you have to solve this problem in private not on the forum.

I agree with you that Accountability is darourieh everywhere and the LF responsible should not attack LF people if they ask for Accountability (IF they are real LF people…or IF they really give money)
29. othello | November 6th, 2007 at 9:49 pm

Zico

you yourself were asking about me3rab and where the money came from…you are doing nothing but contradict yourself over and over again.

moreover, what makes you say that the money gathered was misused?? why do you insist on seeing black all over? is this not bias????

anyways…my advice is lay low on the accusations and try doing something more constructive.
30. othello | November 6th, 2007 at 10:04 pm

Tareq

the main reason I responded this way to Zico was because over the years I have learned to spot the questions that come from a real concern from the questions that are asked to spread doubt and false accusations…

you see many people use this tactic to attempt to score cheap points…why? reasons vary…

you have those who thought DSG would never come out and therefore worked with this in mind and when Geagea was released, they saw this as a threat to their plans…

you have others who are not even LF and who do nothing but spread accusations in an attempt to discredit

I could go on and list many other reasons but then what the heck…result is the same…

those people will not desist and will continue to try to destroy rather than create…

it is sad but true….

our friend here, zico speaks as if the money was missused, totally ignoring the fact that the LF managed to stay alive despite all the syrian attempts thanks to such donations…

our friend who asks for accountability will be the first to scream fraud when accountability is installed…the first to scream fraud not because there is fraud, but because it is his nature…

in his head, the LF are bad…and therefore any thing they do will be translated into what he understands the best…

anyways…

today, you cannot compare political life in Lebanon to that in USA/Europe etc…for a simple reason: we are not in normal times…

no matter how I explain to him, he will distort, invent and make up stuff just to avoid acknowledging the plain truth…

so I will not bother anymore with him…

I will just add this: I am willing to bet my last dollar on the fact that Zico here has NEVER donated a single cent to the LF. the way he described it is so obvious…

people taking money from their kids to give to the LF…this never happened…or it did, but not with the LF….it was with aaoun in 1989 in “kasser al sha3b” when people were giving him their money…

anyways…as I said I will no longer bother replying him for it is not a smart thing to argue with people who do not believe in argument…it takes two to dialog…zico is more into monologue…
31. ziko | November 7th, 2007 at 5:13 am

Othello,

You can bet what ever you want and you will lose. When ever there is accountability in the LF, I am ready to show you all the documents you want.

Samir Geagea gave $200000 for 3 people close to him in Maarab to build houses next to him. Haidol min wein ijo?

No it is not propaganda, because few month ago toul3it el sarkha bi Maarab. Because those got money and others did not.

Maybe you should dig more and try to find out with whom you are dealing before betting your money on me.

Ask Antoine Zahra who gave him an envelope of money in an LF party in North America, ifg he tells you my name you will know who I am.

I am an LF more than you believe. But I refuse to have our moeny given to people to build houses.

ACCOUNTABILITY and TRANSPERANCY, if you are not willing to admit we do not have them and we will not implement them, then you are ok if the money get stolen.

I live you here because I do not want you to bet all your money on a lost case.

Wake up, it seems you are not seeing the obvious, you are only imagining things.

Enjoy the meeting of the LF Business men meeting in Cyrpus.

Oh while you are there, can you please check on the LF company in Cyprus. yeah we have one there, but domage it has been used by only 4 people and they been pocketing the money. I bet you can’t bet on this one too.

Or check on the LF company that was sold in Virginia for thousands of dollars and the money went to certain people pocket.

We are old in these issue my othello, take our advice. You are newbie in these matters. Open your eyes and push for accountability and transparency in Cyrpus meeting. Stop waisting time on me and stop imagining orange.

I gave you name and facts, it is up to you to seek the truth.

Salim 3ala Zahra when you see him.
32. othello | November 7th, 2007 at 9:28 am

Zico

talk is cheap…

very cheap especially when the talker is hiding behind a nickname on a blog site…

if you think by throwing names left and right you will impress anyone, wrong…

its been a long time since anyone using this technique has been able to make an impression…

zahra was in the USA not a long time ago…and you claim that the LF “stole” your money from 1994 onwards…

yet you still paid? lah lah lah…

and you are old in this issue eltelli?

a word of advice, “old” friend…

you have a chip on your shoulder the size of the eifel tower…

and this chip is kinda getting in the way of your credibility…

go sort it out first then come and discuss…

otherwise, to me you are no better than all those who know nothing but nag.
33. Tareq | November 7th, 2007 at 2:26 pm

Othelo and Zico Thank you for the explanations I hope you can solve the questions in positive way…On LBC they put a news about LFBA and I think it is a good thing so I hope it will be transparent and I hope LF people will help not attack before something starts…We have to help each others and the other Lebanese or this country will disappear!
34. Zico | November 7th, 2007 at 10:34 pm

Othello

When you are down, there is no need to bring yourself lower. My name you can get frm Zahra and from whom ever you want. Those I mentioned are public figures. I gave you a pack of materilas and it si your duty to go dig for them and correct things.

I didn’t say anyone stole my money. I said we would like to know where it is spend. Is that too much to ask?

How come it is ok for you to ask for money and not ok for us to ask where this money will be spent?

I have no chips nor guilt. When I offer something to our cause and the LF I do it out of conviction. But I do not accept replies such as yours when I ask for my right and the right of every rafi’ when I ask that the LF should be transparent when it comes to money.

When you are not transparent it means you are doing something wrong.

So one more time, my advice to you is if you want to be part of money issues, make sure it is transparent.

Take my advice and run with it.

I guess the mentality of empty heads is rulling these days.

Accountability and Transparency. Gee I think I found new words that bother the LF business pple
35. othello | November 8th, 2007 at 9:50 am

Zico

discussing with you brings to mind the arabic proverb: b2ello tays bi elli 7lebo.

I speak in the east you reply in the west…
you are obstinately implying that the LFBA is not being transparent although I DOUBT YOU KNOW ANYTHIN about the LFBA or its way of working…

all you have on your mind today is transparency…Nevertheless, I will go along:

1- why dont you wait till the congress is through then come and “at7efna” with your theories? at least you would have had some hard core evidence dont you think so????

2- why this rush BEFORE the congress is even started to shoot at it in an effort to torpedo it before it even leaves the port????

it is very obvious from your very post that this is all you have in mind…mana wla ossit ghiri 3ala masale7 el ouwet wla shi.

if indeed, you speak out of experience, then allow me to ask you what took you so long (1994 to 2007) to finally discover you were being “cheated” ??? I mean 13 years is a hell of a long time for someone to find out somehting is wrong is it not????

anyways…thank you for your advices…I will see where I can put them.

I will ignore the insults because I know you have no other option but to insult me and try to drag me into something I wish not to be involved in…

say hi to the guys who know me (I can see some of them live in your neighborhood) at your end and tell them they have tried for more than 2 years to drill holes in the LF ship but they will succeed only in drowning themselves.
36. othello | November 8th, 2007 at 9:52 am

and regarding what bothers the LF people…it is not accountability or tansparency…

it is in fact a word that rhymes well with the other two but has a differtent meaning: HYPOCRISY …there is also backstabbing, lying, deceit…these do bother us, but heck…for almost 21 years the LF has been running despite all the attempts of people like you Zico…fa I dont think you will make much of a difference…buzz along anyways…hopefully you will learn a thing or two you can tell your grand children about how success is achieved.
37. ziko | November 8th, 2007 at 1:44 pm

Othello,

It seems you are not reading from the first letter I wrote. You saw orange as a deer sees the headline of teh car.

Read above and you will find out that I asked from you to push from accountability and transparency khasat you guys are starting soemthig new. I said you should start on a good note if you do that.

When you speak they say you are propaganda, when you give them facts and anmes they tell you names do not matter.

What do you want us to give you then? Silence? Dream on.

ACCOUNTABILITY AND TRANSPARENCY. (Haidol it seems bi khawfo ktir aalam including the head of the LF as it seems)
38. othello | November 8th, 2007 at 2:25 pm

listen ziko…and listen well

you want to play this game, fine bass do not play it with me.

I am well beyond those cheap tricks that some used in the past to impress the kids and play with their minds.

what names ya insen? what facts?

eno RE READ all your posts…

what facts?

you gave zahra an envelope? assuming it is a “FACT”, what then????

you gave me names? het lanshouf… repeat them for the convenience of all here…come on…

arent you after transparency? start by being transparent yourself…tell us what makes you tick and what is the basis of your “concern” ya mr transparent inta…

give me a break man…

those tricks, I will repeat, you play them with teen agers who get impressed fast…

with me, you are almost 30 years late…capishe?

al names al…

eno I humored you and allowed you to go on, bass ma terkab 3a dahrna…

do you still believe you can fool more people???

in 2005, people like you cost us the elections when they came out bitching about setrida and whatnot…

today what the hell are you trying to prove??

pack up your sorry little ass and go find yourself a hole deep enough to burry you in a way you do not pass your disease to others…

what disease? that of being a pessimistic black seeing a.hole who, because he failed to make it in the LF, wants the entire LF to flop…

habibi, the syrians, aoun and all those who tried, even people like you, came out with ZILCH…

fa spare us the bullshit and save us the bandwidth…ok?

if your next post is of the same style, i will stop replying to you plain and simple.

asessan why the heck do I bother? akid not for you to say that LF are ticked by the words transparency…but it is because it appauls me to see people so stupid still exist in civilized countries like where you are.