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• 1. ja3far | January 22nd, 2009 at 10:18 am

  othello… things are not the way you see it … the problem is that you are looking at HA and its supporters and seeing them as a block of stones… which is not the case..

  if we were talking about the beginning of the 90s i would have agreed in many things as the people who were following or supporting HA were mostly the religiously active people… However, these days the majority of the shia community stands behind HA, or at least love nassrollah… in addition to the too many people who are seeing in HA or his supporters a big business market… turn on radio al nour for example and you will hear lot of adv. from companies who are not even close to HA but are directing their adv. to the supporters …you will hear these days slogans and songs related to HA or nassrollah that you will never thought you will hear in the 90s … at is as bad , at least for me , as if you think if you are watching a football match for Nejmeh ( and if you knew nejmeh fans you will understand)…

  you should understand that the shia community, unlike what you people tend to believe, is a very emotional community.. due to its heritage and the way they combine emotions with religion.. u should always remember that, if you really want to understand us…
  so it is very hard to control them.. it is not at all what you think…
  when basmet wattan happened, all the MPs of HA were in the streets in addition to thousands of HA real members ( not supporters ) and sayyed speech plus all the available means with HA all working together for hours trying to control and cool down the angry people .. it wasnt as simple as you think.. not at all ..

  i will give you another example… the shootings in the air that used to happen after or during every speech made by nassrollah… during every speech Nassrollah was even begging the people not to shoot.. but those people were frustrated from the situation and were expressing it by shooting.. he wasnt able to control them.. no way HA was able to control them at that time….. this phenomena didnt stop till after 7 may when people were less frustrated then HA was able to spread people in each building to stop and start controlling such a sick and ugly habit….

  after the 7 may accidents.. how many times did HA tried to stop those motorcycle people and their stupid activities? i am not sure if you are aware of the measures taken later on in coordination with the government to reduce that…

  i can give you hundreds of examples…

  so trust me when you look at HA on tv you see the discipline of the organised members but you dont really see all type of fans…

  so back to the video … i am completely convinced that it had good intentions when it was made by this group or director.. nobody wanted to insult anyone .. and if followers do insult religious figures, HA as a party or members would never do such a think… you may make fun of zou al fiquar as u did yesterday, but i will never make fun of the cross …

  the issue is being used politically and we are both aware of that.. and on a personal level, i believe al manar or another media for HA should, and i think they will, host the director to make him explain the story behind the video and express how sorry he is if anybody felt insulted which was not his real intentions…

  wish you a good day othello

  salam

• 2. othello | January 22nd, 2009 at 10:42 am

  Khaye Ja3far

  Can I gather from your post that HA CAN control the people if it really set its mind to it? yes or no?

  Surely in the mixture of religion and politics that represents the HA model and way of doing things, people would not even dream of refusing to abide by a command issued by Nassrallah…

  Regarding the shootings and the motorbikes…allow me…you and I know very well that these were points of pressure that were being used in an intimidation effort…

  I have been around Da7iye and I have many many friends over there and sorry but any claim that HA’s grip of the area is not strong is a lie. no offense khaye but no one buys this talk.

  This said, I went along with the independent story to the end…my question is what is he waiting for to apologize? why waste all this time? the issue is more than a week old…and you and I know that such an issue in the media can blow up to crazy proportions…

• 3. ja3far | January 22nd, 2009 at 10:52 am

  Othello… my comment is clear.. i am trying to explain to you how things happen so you can see the whole image and not just the media or saloon chats… again you can believe what you want to believe and deduct what you want to deduct…

  But no one can control the shia community, not HA nore any one else.. they can cool them down but not control them …

  salam,

• 4. Michele | January 22nd, 2009 at 10:58 am

  Othello, before apologizing, HA should condemn it which they didn’t as they think that they shouldn’t object people’s will n desires, they can’t refrain them from believing in Nasrallah, of course according to them.

  As u said, if the director’s objective was purely purpose not only he should have turned a clip wz Hayfa , i would even suggest a clip Hayfa praising Nasrallah ( seriously i would combine more Nasrallah wz Hayfa, than Nasrallah with St. Mary)

  What makes me even more sad to see the Aounists defending HA instead of condemning this disgusting clip.
  For the Aounists if nasrallah is a Saint, well Aoun is God!

• 5. paul | January 22nd, 2009 at 11:12 am

  ja3far,

  do you want to say that the problem is not Nasrallah or HA. but rather the shi3a?

• 6. Traffic | January 22nd, 2009 at 12:24 pm

  “you should understand that the shia community, unlike what you people tend to believe, is a very emotional community.. due to its heritage and the way they combine emotions with religion.. u should always remember that, if you really want to understand us…”

  So we can trust the Shia with 30000 rockets but not with a camera… dearly noted…

• 7. Midnightflower | January 22nd, 2009 at 12:27 pm

  Ja3far: From your 1st reply:
  “will give you another example… the shootings in the air that used to happen after or during every speech made by nassrollah… during every speech Nassrollah was even begging the people not to shoot.. but those people were frustrated from the situation and were expressing it by shooting.. he wasnt able to control them.. no way HA was able to control them at that time….. this phenomena didnt stop till after 7 may when people were less frustrated then HA was able to spread people in each building to stop and start controlling such a sick and ugly habit….”

  Can I gahther that May 7 incidents were “fashit khele2″ after which the Shiites were relieved? If that was so, should we always pay the price? This brings us back to the “oppressed” epic…..

  And yes, the least HN should do is to apologise, or is he way above these human traits????
  Anyway, it is not him to be blamed. Blame should go to the people inflating his ego.

• 8. othello | January 22nd, 2009 at 12:45 pm

  ja3far

  I truly appreciate your efforts to make your point clear but I also cannot obfuscate years and years of events and things that took place.

  I cannot simply disregard my own experiences as well as incidents that took place, incidents duly recorded and archived by TV stations just because a fellow blogger claims the opposite.

  you say I see a conspiracy everywhere and I maintain its a reality…

  an organization like HA does not survive over two decades without having any agenda…

  when I see who is supporting this organization, I cannot but deduce that the support is proportional to the intersection between the HA agenda and that of the supporter…I am talking here Syria and Iran…

  when I see how HA has grown over the years from a simple offshoot of AMAL into a full blasted organization with its own intelligence, its own commandment, a self sufficient entity in all aspects of the word, I cannot but think of the amount of control and power it has over the people and the immense work it had to do to win those people over…

  when I see the methods they have used to get where they are, and then I see today what is happening I cannot but add 1+1 to get 2…simple mathematics…

  For years I have studied the intricacies of mind control and methods applied to achieve this result…this lead me to studying radical organizations and the ways they manned their troops…

  today I do not call myself an expert but I believe I have gathered enough knowledge to be able to recognize such methods when I see them…

  and trust me my friend, the last couple of incidents are just that…

  and just in the case I should not be correct (for we are mere humans and who is amongst us so complete as to always be right??) the fact remains that such a clip is an aggression to the beliefs of most Christians especially in light of the environment we live in, the splits amongst the population and the potential side effects it might have and as such, it should be removed from circulation…

  especially when the author comes from a background where sacrilegious acts are punishable by death…

  to put it in another way, no self respecting Muslim (be he Shiite or Sunni) would ever accept that his religious symbols be touched in any way, shape or form, no matter what the desired outcome might be.

  No self respecting Muslim would ever allow such actions to take place initially and trust me, had the roles been reversed, we would have witnessed actions worse than May 7th 2008 or or February 5th 2006 or January 23rd 2007…

  Hence my outcry and my protest in the ways best reachable by me.

  Salam

• 9. ja3far | January 22nd, 2009 at 12:51 pm

  Paul.. you can see shi3a a problem or a blessing.. depending on your agenda

• 10. othello | January 22nd, 2009 at 1:01 pm

  I guess the Manar apology took a different form and shape…

  Instead of apologizing or even hosting the director of the clip, they found no other thing to do than to launch an all out offensive on the LF web site accusing it (surprise surprise) of collaborating with Israel…

  جاء في مقدمة نشرة “المنار” مع التقرير المرفق ما يأتي حرفيا:

  “بينما يعيش العالم بأسره وبينهم كثير من اليهود ومعهم العرب واللبنانيون صدمة المجازر البشعة في غزة، مع رفض عارم لما قامت به إسرائيل بحق الأطفال والنساء، فإن في لبنان من يصر على أن يبقي رابطاً معها يدفعه ربما الحنين الى ماضٍ مشابه.

  إذا أردت أن تحصل على 10 ملايين دولار فما عليك إلا أن تفتح موقع القوات اللبنانية الرسمي وتفتش معها عبر إعلان إسرائيلي عن الطيارين والجنود الإسرائيليين المفقودين.

  Whats more funny is that the same ad (for it is an automatically generated add by Google adsense) runs on the Tayyar website !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! yet Al Manar did not bother to mention this nor to take any actions against it!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  this is a screen shot of the tayyar website with the same ad that Manar considered as collaboration with Israel… http://www.lebanese-forces.com/imagesnv2/tayyar_print_screen.gif

  So tell me Jaafar is this the appeasement policy of Al Manar????

• 11. othello | January 22nd, 2009 at 1:11 pm

  And following the Al Manar logic, would I be right if I accused Tayyar of promoting prostitution of Lebanese girls????

  check a screenshot of this ad in the bottom right corner of the picture:
  http://www.lebanese-forces.com/imagesnv2/tayyar-arab-girls.jpg

  and this is a screen shot of where the link takes you to: http://www.lebanese-forces.com/imagesnv2/tayyar-Arab-Girls-.jpg

  so my friend…would you still maintain that there is no ill meaning in all of this?

  why would al manar embark on such a campaign if they did not feel they needed to discredit the LF site?

  and campaign is an under statement!!! there were interviews with Nabil N2oula etc…

  I couldnt help but recall the old Syrian tactics of attempting to discredit any source when they wanted to hide something.

• 12. ja3far | January 22nd, 2009 at 1:22 pm

  othello… i totally understand that a fellow blogger cannot simply make you change what you do believe as they are an accumulation of years of experience and information… that is why i do never try to convince anybody.. i just try to explain or give the other point of view, so that you can try to understand the other …

  After all dont forget the huge media war between the two sides for the last three years.. which will affect any one whoever he is …

  again my point above was to explain the size of control of HA over the people.. i will give you another example , again it is for you to believe it or not, and it is not to discuss whether the steps or the agenda is appropriate or not…

  you do remember the huge demonstration HA called for 2 years ago that ended with the camp in the DT… it is not hidden that one of the potential options of this demonstration was for some of the people to get into the government building .. ya3ni to use the same tactic used by HA in 2000 to push Israel to withdraw or the one used in Ukrein… of course among those demonstrators were high calibre military people of HA to lead the try to get into the building… those people were very highly trained and stood for 33 days fighting the Israeli war machine .. ( am elaborating so that you can see the whole image ) ..

  so those people were ready in case an order was given… later on when things escaladed and the mufti warned of a shi3a sunni war; such an option was removed from the agenda and those military people were told to go back while avoiding any contact with surrounding so that no problem will be initiated… the convoys of the people coming back were attacked by people from tareeq jdeede… some of those military men were heavily beaten by young men while they were running away avoiding any clash , while if they fought back they had the capability of doing a lot.. any way their order was don’t hit back even if they kill you.. and for those people when they do receive an order they do obey as they consider it heaven or hell as you know …

  later on the news of these accidents reached the surrounding shi3a population, the HA was asking them to calm down as the tension is very high from the other side .. still few hundreds of angry men from chiyah didn’t care about HA or nassrollah, they went into tareek al jdeede burned some shops, destroyed some cars, beaten the people who they saw.. ya3ni fashou khlieoun and came back home.. no one , and i mean no one could control them… ( am not discussing here what is good or bad or right or wrong .. am explaining an example )

  any way what i wrote above is for your records and general information, if HA is able to calm down some people one of the mistakes of march 14 was that they thought he do control all the people… And there is a limit for everything… and believe it or not after the death of the young men during the electricity demonstration, there was no more control… and that what led to what happened next…

  salam

• 13. Midnightflower | January 22nd, 2009 at 1:23 pm

  So many questions, and no comment!
  جديد موضوع الفيديو كليب ما اعترف به نائب الأمين العام لـ”حزب الله” الشيخ نعيم قاسم للـ OTV مساء الأربعاء: “بالنسبة للنشيد، فقد علمنا به، وبصرف النظر عن مدى اساءته، فأننا ننصح الاخوة الذين قاموا بهذا العمل ان يسحبوه من التداول حتى تكون الساحة مرتاحة”. فماذا يعني قوله “ننصح الإخوة ان يسحبوه من التداول”؟ ألا تعني كلمة “الإخوة” في قاموسه أنهم إخوة في “حزب الله”؟ رب قائل إن الاعتراف بالخطأ فضيلة ولكن المطلوب ليس مجرد الاعتراف بالخطأ الجسيم بل الاعتذار الواضح والصريح عنه.

• 14. Midnightflower | January 22nd, 2009 at 1:26 pm

  Ya Ja3far, I cannot seem to understand: Do they obey? or do they not?
  A simple yes or no would be appreciated….

• 15. othello | January 22nd, 2009 at 1:28 pm

  Ja3far…

  I read your words and I am impressed yet I see Manar’s actions and I cannot be but saddened.

• 16. paul | January 22nd, 2009 at 1:46 pm

  ja3far.

  “they combine emotions with religion”

  “those people were frustrated from the situation and were expressing it by shooting.”

  ” how many times did HA tried to stop those motorcycle people and their stupid activities? ”

  i think you are the one who have problems with the shi3a…not me

  by the way ja3far,i’m a radical motorcycles fan

• 17. Fuziyad | January 22nd, 2009 at 1:56 pm

  Ja3far, in yr first post you explain how HA doesn’t fully control the streets and then you say look after may 7 how well they started controlling…you use the argument of less frustration which is quite funny, come on let’s say some were frustrated (from what? god knows…) there is definitely some mestaweyin after may 7, thus on a pure popular mood the provocations would have continued, but they diminished (and sometimes re increase depending on the internation agenda).

  HA controls its streets stop your propaganda!!

• 18. othello | January 22nd, 2009 at 2:02 pm

  The reality of the fact that all those so called “uncontrolled” actions are nothing but intimidation tactics used by the Hezeb…

  a little like the proverbial be3be3…watch out or we will not be able to control our people…

  Here I repeat a question that’s been asked before on this very post: if you cannot guarantee the control of the people, how do you expect me as a normal citizen to rest assured when I know that you are armed and hold thousands of rockets????

  furthermore, if the hezeb cannot control the people, and for sure neither the army nor the ISF can, then does this mean we have in Lebanon a group of people who pose a potential threat??? what is to guarantee that whenever they feel pissed at anything they would not burn and ransak and break????

  and in all this why on earth was the MoU signed then with the Hezeb?? I thought it was to protect the Christians against such actions…why sign with the Hezeb when it cannot guarantee the actions of its people?????

• 19. othello | January 22nd, 2009 at 2:47 pm

  As expected…our friends went AWOL when the going got tough…

  real sad because I was really looking forward to this discussion…

• 20. ja3far | January 22nd, 2009 at 2:57 pm

  Fuziad… it may sound funny for you… but if someone is on the edge to explode and you confront him he will explode in your face… at such stage they are uncontrollable… you try to cool them down…

  then your question from what pause an issue .. remember me, who is in a way moderate compared to lot of other supporters writting once if it was me, i would have hanged saniyoura from his balls in may 7 ?… try to multiply that few times then .. you can imagine…

  salam

• 21. ja3far | January 22nd, 2009 at 3:18 pm

  Othello… regarding manar…your people have shown to be very clever… …

  the thing is not a video issue… i am sure you agree with me that this was a very well planned media campaign .. and i do admit it was a good one…

  the video was released few months ago , after releasing it , sayyed banned it from being shown on almanar , for different reasons.. and it was calmed down.. of course lot of people who love sayyed have it…

  suddenly every body is talking about the movie , and about these unknown origin bracelets and masabeh and other stuff in the market in a big campaign…

  we both know that if christian resources complained about it directly to HA, the issue would have been solved in a very simple way… but what is happening is a strong political campaign to gain vote…
  it is not related to the video anymore

  yesterday manar had a certain report planned as what they considered as counter attack… however, i dont know what sort of calls happened , whether they were with christian figures or what.. any way what happened made them stop the report and instead they broadcasted this report which is an old one and it doesnt have any christian muslim tension ..

  events showed that your people took HA by surprise with that.. may be HA media team was still busy with Gaza .. am not sure and i dont want to give them excuses… But i think you scored a point with that

  An y way i hope things will calm down as it is not for any bodies benefit to make it christian muslim again…

  salam

• 22. othello | January 22nd, 2009 at 3:47 pm

  Ja3far come on man…its me you are talking to eh…

  1- who is into the conspiracy theory now?

  2- if people complained directly to HA, the issue would be solved…then u are saying that HA does have the ability to solve it but its waiting for the people to ask it???? don’t you think this smells like racketeering????

  3- let me get this straight….to counter the possibility of christian-muslim tensions, al manar resorts to some cheap allegations and empty accusations that remind everyone of the Syrian days??????

  4- its not about scoring points!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  don’t you see my friend…

  its about AN INSULT THAT PEOPLE FELT…

  mouch kell shi scoring points my fine friend…

  not everything is about scoring a single pont against anyone…

  the whole issue is that THIS IS OFFENSIVE AND PEOPLE RESENT THIS…and many were hurt that this should come in this fashion.

  and if you are so keen on this christian-muslim thing…why on earth attack the Lebanese forces then???? especially with the most stupid accusations ever…eno what the heck are you trying to do???

  would the accusation of collaboration with israel not mount the tensions among the people????

  would it not cause your public (which you are admitting you cannot control) to get over excited and attack the other public????? shou hayda man????

• 23. Midnightflower | January 22nd, 2009 at 3:52 pm

  Ja3far, in almost each and every post, you sort of excuse your people and ask us to understand them because they were angry, they were on the verge of exploding, they are emotional, etc…..
  Teb why didn’t we explode after July war? why didn’t we get hypered and all emotional after May 7th? Enno Shiite people are entitled to tantrums and bad temper (with all the consequences that follow: torching shops and houses, riots, etc,,,), while the others have to absorb them??

• 24. othello | January 22nd, 2009 at 3:56 pm

  MF…on your post 22 i could reply with something that I am itching to but I will refrain because I want this topic to remain on track

• 25. ja3far | January 22nd, 2009 at 4:06 pm

  Midnight… if you read my post 12… you will see me saying :
  and it is not to discuss whether the steps or the agenda is appropriate or not…
  i never claimed the shia polpulation is perfect… i think we have our problems like every body else., and may be even more..
  however, if we want to live togather the first thing to do is to try to understand each others…
  the topic we were discussing was if HA have full control on the shi3a population or not…

  and regarding the AKH issue… a religion perosn follow the imam ali saying if you are not my brother in islam you are my brother in humanity…
  so you will hear kassem saying our brothers in amal or our brothers in tayyar…

  salam

• 26. Fuziyad | January 22nd, 2009 at 4:06 pm

  ja3far, halla2 enta you have political opinions and certain view of sanioura and of his economical management…bass halla2 the 16 yrs old thug on his motorbike kamen has an opinion?? come on…if anything that 16 yrs old is arrogant because he knows that on the streets he has advantage over his sunni or christian peers…enno mahroumén bel siyéssé bass bel cher3 kamen???

  am just curious, do you also pretend that the electricity road cuts in jan (as part of may 7 preparation), was also spontaneous reaction from pissed of people???I think that would lower your credibility further…

• 27. ja3far | January 22nd, 2009 at 4:22 pm

  othello… i am not defending manar…and i dont want to defend ouwet either… i think what was happening in the last few days was much bigger then a video … it was used to attack HA and oun and we both know that …

  every thing is seen in the way it is present it… let us have marcel khalife song for example… i like this song the way i like most marcels songs and i have the CD.. i know marcel didnt want to insult any body with it…some people fought marcel regarding it but it was not used so it remained limitted…

  the same story is here, i understad you feel insulted .. if it was me who did it i would have appologised to you.. but the issue here is that you are not able to understand that the same way they used to be singers like marcel and ahmad ka3bour there is now singers like al wilaya who do sing such type of songs… the producer had good intentions, … however, there are people who are using the issue big time…and they are using it politically..

  now if there was no HA and no Aoun and people concerned in the relation between christian and muslim in the country, there will be people asking for the right of speech and expressing and you will see the community of human rights in the association of lawyers of beirut and all the media backing up the director…

  salam

• 28. ja3far | January 22nd, 2009 at 4:27 pm

  Fuziad… do you know what used to happen before games of nejmeh and ansar? do you know what football fans used to do?
  these boys on bikes used to do much worst then that…

  if you expect HA to be able to control the shi3a teens then you dont know anything …

  salam

• 29. Midnightflower | January 22nd, 2009 at 4:37 pm

  Ja3far, my friend,
  you say:
  “and it is not to discuss whether the steps or the agenda is appropriate or not…
  i never claimed the shia polpulation is perfect… i think we have our problems like every body else., and may be even more..
  however, if we want to live togather the first thing to do is to try to understand each others…
  the topic we were discussing was if HA have full control on the shi3a population or not…”
  1- I was not discussing agenda steps.
  2- How are you (Shiites) trying to understand us? (and pls don’t make me start giving you sarcastic examples).
  3- What I was asking is exactly your last sentence. Refer to my 14.

• 30. othello | January 22nd, 2009 at 4:56 pm

  Ja3far,

  in your post 26, you said many things but evaded answering every single one of my questions in post 21..I took the pain to number them just for you…ze3altni mennak shrik….

  1- how is attacking the LF over some stupid non existent point and labeling them as Israeli agents going to help in defusing sectarian tensions????

  2- how come HA will solve the issue if the Christian religious figures ask it to and at the same time you are claiming that the producer and director and all the rest are not under its control?

  3- using the same arguments as you used, why are you insisting on some conspiracy or plot by the LF on this issue??? wba3den I thought the LF did not represent anyone in the Christian street, how come suddenly they can control the bishops and the Christian street and conduct such a heavy attack on HA???

  4- and this is regarding your post number 26: it is no longer about freedom of speech…ones freedom stops where the other person’s freedom begins…otherwise I could use that right to go on public TV and insult any one I so pleased…

  and where were those freedoms when those 16 year old kids took to the streets regarding the bassmet watan episode with nassrallah????

  don’t come and tell me HA cannot control their people…you and I know full well this is not accurate to say the least…

  you know full well that if anything its those youth that they can control since most of them would have to have been trained at one point in time…

  you know full well about the HA reserve training and military model…

  lets be very frank here man: shiite street is divided between AMAL and HA in terms of what we call “hitters” or in other terms the hooligans that are used whenever a point needs to be made by force…so if I was to follow your logic, those teens are AMAL followers…this then leads me to my point about who can control them???

  thanks to HA and its actions, those kids are so arrogant they will not answer to neither the army nor the ISF….

  so following your logic, who will control them???

• 31. ja3far | January 22nd, 2009 at 5:00 pm

  Midnight…. i have answered the question regarding control… the HA has control over his members .. it is an ideological control..
  however, the supporters are diferent kinds, and the level of control is variable …

  and when i ment understanding each others i ment us discussing here .. but trust me if you get involved with the shi3a community you will know that they are much more postive toward others then you think…

  salam

• 32. Midnightflower | January 22nd, 2009 at 5:03 pm

  I say we give Ja3far a break Almost every other post starts with “Ja3far”, hehe

• 33. othello | January 22nd, 2009 at 5:21 pm

  shou is docc on holliday lyom aw sick leave???

• 34. ja3far | January 22nd, 2009 at 6:04 pm

  Othello .. I know you can read through the lines…and we are discussing the concept … but If you insist

  1- how is attacking the LF over some stupid non existent point and labeling them as Israeli agents going to help in defusing sectarian tensions????

  I said I don’t want to defend manar …If it is the way you are presenting it Manar showed to be weak with that ; and ouwet can easily make them read an explanation they issue …

  2- how come HA will solve the issue if the Christian religious figures ask it to and at the same time you are claiming that the producer and director and all the rest are not under its control?

  U are mixing things up here… the discussion started while answering your point saying:

  To claim Hezbollah does not have ANY control over the people who follow it be they party members or general supporters would not be very accurate as we all remember how when Nasrallah was caricatured in Bassmet Watan and his people took the streets aiming at getting some form of revenge, all Nassrallah needed to do was speak on the media and ask them to return home and they did…this is but a faint example of the control that Hezbollah has over its followers…

  While the level of control is as I said before:
  HA has control over his members .. it is an ideological control..

  however, the supporters are different kinds, and the level of control is variable…
  And while the director is not a member or working for HA , they do influence him… I want to ask you here, be logical if it is the HA who did this work, and paid all the money, don’t you think it is strange to ban putting it on manar just after releasing it… and believe it or not this is dated months ago

  3- using the same arguments as you used, why are you insisting on some conspiracy or plot by the LF on this issue??? wba3den I thought the LF did not represent anyone in the Christian street, how come suddenly they can control the bishops and the Christian street and conduct such a heavy attack on HA???

  Who claimed that LF represent no one? Aren’t you a person? The discussion was always who present more.. it would be stupid to say LF doesn’t have any weight on the ground

  4- and this is regarding your post number 26: it is no longer about freedom of speech…ones freedom stops where the other person’s freedom begins…otherwise I could use that right to go on public TV and insult any one I so pleased…

  Am confused here… I remember u attacking the people who attacked Marcel and rushdi .. and stand with the right of the cartoonists.. I am with what you say .. but I want to know your opinion about freedom .. is it the American and European style or u prefer it limited like in iran.. are u with banning devenci code in Lebanon? am curious to know

  and where were those freedoms when those 16 year old kids took to the streets regarding the bassmet watan episode with nassrallah????

  again You are mixing things up… I was talking about lawyers and media… and those had attacked the kids who went demonstrating in the street… and defended mercel.. but no one is talking about the video.

  Finally regarding control, I will not keep repeating myself.. and the usual camps that a supporter will go to is for basic knowledge of using a weapon for self defense.. it is not as the camps of members and it doesn’t mean you will become brain washed as you will like to call it …
  Regarding who control… they are like other Lebanese kids and people out of control

  at the end, i know that we will not agree, but it is always good to communicate… heading to the gym… take care

  salam

• 35. othello | January 22nd, 2009 at 6:47 pm

  1- its not about what you are defending Ja3far…this is what you wrote:

  “yesterday manar had a certain report planned as what they considered as counter attack… however, i dont know what sort of calls happened , whether they were with christian figures or what.. any way what happened made them stop the report and instead they broadcasted this report which is an old one and it doesnt have any christian muslim tension ..”

  the last couple of words were what I based my question number one on…how is attacking the LF in this fashion void of any christian muslim tensions?

  2- this is where you turn in circles: one time its HA have no control over the director then you say they can ask him to remove it IF they are asked…weird…

  as to HA banning it from al manar, I have yet to see proof of this…I do not have any records of such an action…sorry so I cannot take it as really having occurred. furthermore, as I pointed out yesterday, it was still downloadable from web sites…shall we say…that are satellites in the HA planet system (hope u like the expression)…I believe I gave you a few links yesterday and the post is still there for you to see…

  3- thank you for acknowledging the weight of the LF…merci khayi mamnounak ana.

  4- regarding rushdi, my attack was about double standards…how come its ok to condemn someone to death for writing a book that seems to bear ill sayings about your religion and at the same time condone a clip that bears the same ill meanings to another religion???

  I am with liberties as long as they do not infringe on others liberties…again I was talking about the double standards…in the sense I would have expected people who are so sensitive about matters related to what they hold dear to be equally sensitive as to matters held dear by others…a little along the commandment that goes: do onto people as you would have them do onto you.

  5- regarding the weapons and the self defense issue…here my friend you have opened a can of worms…self defense against who????against fellow countrymen???

  ever wondered why military service is there? this is where you learn about weapons and where you learn about NATIONAL VALUES … and not to be indoctrined into the HA way of thinking!!! let me ask you a simple question: where is your allegiance HA or Lebanon?????

  no they are not like any other kid out of control…and no kids should not be out of control in this fashion…it is illegal and not acceptable in any way shape or form…go to europe go to USA go anywhere else in the world and show me those kids and then also show me how delinquents are treated by the powers that be. what you are defining here is a recipe for anarchy my friend wa tousbi7ouna 3ala watan …

  what you are saying is that we live in chaos and anyone can do anything under the pretense he is a kid…

  what do you do of the laws? what do you do of the regulations??? or are all these void because you do not subscribe to a particular government’s point of view…

  just got back from my gym session … have a great one…shou ken 3endak lyom

• 36. T | January 22nd, 2009 at 7:41 pm

  Ma bada chi! HA should invite a couple of WOMEN (with no veil on their heads) to go SING for Aoun in one of their mosques! In the spirit of “3aich Mouchtarak” that this video is supposed to be promoting HA and co should have no problem with unveiled women singing in a mosque!! Ma hek!
  And O Welcome back!

• 37. othello | January 22nd, 2009 at 7:46 pm

  T my maaan….wassup yo? thanks man…

  nice proposition…but I kinda don’t see this happening soon man…pity I guess aoun must be turning green with envy at this adoration to someone else than him

• 38. ja3far | January 22nd, 2009 at 10:37 pm

  othello …
  Things are interconnected to each others.. let us go back to my conspiracy theory, let us open the Lebanese force official web site… what are the hot topics their mow? They are all talking about the way HA acted .. and using it to attack Aoun…
  Now you will tell me but HA insulted us… what am saying is that the way ouwet is using it is pure politics… let us have examples from the site:
  At the link
  lebanese-forces.com/ar/artde.asp?id=11&newsid=32009
  where it do insist that the link is for the official HA website which is not at all as mentioned there and the sad thing is that if any body go there and look at the location he will find that the video was inserted on the forum by a member same as what little clown did here in the next topic…any way go to the following link
  hezbullah.org/forum/forumdisplay.php?s=&daysprune=&f=29
  it is the 12 insertion .. in the same forum u will find things for amal and many other stuff that don’t belong in any way to HA..
  it is clear that this is not an official forum presenting HA but as you and other see it on ouwet site you will believe it…

  another example… what our friend midnight said on his post 13 about the brother issue that do proof that the people are HA … it is taken from the ouwet website and any knowledgeable person will know what i explained in my 24.. however, the web site was playing with it …

  a third example, when they talk about the found masabeh with sayed picture on them saying HA insult the Christianity.. while no one proved it was HA who did it.. and interestingly some primary reports do mention that the person who wrote about nassrollah comparing him to be jesus in 3amsheet while putting his pictures and braking crosses is not Shiite nor HA …

  all the above and others make observers question the intentions and believe that ouwet is attacking HA to gain politicaly …
  so what i said was a limited counter attack by manar, i said they were week..

  but at least you should read what manar wrote
  22/01/2009 رفضت القوات اللبنانية في بيان لها اوردته على موقعها على الانترنت ازالة الاعلان الاستخباراتي الاسرائيلي عن صفحاتها متذرعة بعدم وجود تشريعات تجبرها على ذلك، ثم حاولت فبكرة اتهام بوجوده على موقع التيار الوطني الحر سرعان ما انكشف زيفه.
  فقد جاءت القوات اللبنانية لتكحّلها فعمتها… ففي معرض ردها على تقرير قناة المنار حول ترويجها لاعلان استخباري اسرائيلي على موقعها، حاولت القوات الهروب نحو اتهام موقع التيار الوطني الحر بأنه ايضاً يقوم بالترويج للاعلان نفسه.
  وبالضغط من التبرير الذي وضعته القوات على موضعها باتهام موقع التيار ضغطنا على الرابط الذي وضعته القوات لنصل الى صفحة التيار الوطني الحر وبالذهاب الى اسفل الصفحة حيث توجد اعلانات لـ”غوغل” لدينا اخبار رياضية ،والسياحة في البحر الميت ووظائف في الامارات. وبالذهاب الى الجهة الاخرى من موقع التيار هناك اعلانات اخرى خاصة بـ”غوغل” وهي وظائف في الامارت وتصاوير منطقة. اذا لا وجود لاي اعلان خاص بالعدو الصهيوني. وبالعودة للصفحة الرئيسية للقوات اللبنانية والتي اشارت الى وجود الاعلان على صفحة التيار الوطني مشيرة اليه بسهم برتقالي، يبدو ان من قام بفبركة هذا الاعلان هنا قام به على عجل لضرورات الرد ، فاصغر خبير في عالم الانترنت يدرك ان هذا الاعلان تم لصقه ومن لصقه لم ينتبه الى لصقه جيداً بدليل ان الاعلان الذي تم لصقه لم يأت متناسقاً في الشكل مع الاعلان الاساسي لـ “غوغل” والموجود فوقه، كما ان اشارة اعلان غوغل لم تأت كذلك في نفس المكان الذي يجب ان تكون فيه مقارنة مع الاشارة الاساسية في الاعلى.

  I don’t care who is lying and who is not… the idea is if they have the announcement they should remove it whether the announcement is through google or not …

  Now regarding your point 2… I think I have answered it in my previous writing… none of your links is for official HA…

  4- the big difference between rushdi and the video is that while rushdi insisted on the book insulting islam and was honored a short while ago for that by the queen of England; HA used all his means to remove the video .. that is a huge different.. no one insisted on insulting you…
  However, I am serious in knowing your opinion about liberty.. I appreciate if you can give me a direct answer: Are you with the American and European way of democracy or you are with a limited one? Are you with banning the devinci code in Lebanon? Am very curious…

  5- you made me smile with your answer it is if like this subject is not and will not be the hot subject for the coming years…
  My answer was to you saying:
  “you know full well that if anything its those youth that they can control since most of them would have to have been trained at one point in time”
  And I replied that one or two days training does not mean you will brain wash them ( this is the size of the basic training ) and control them..
  Regarding why, who and the meaning, I don’t think this subject can handle it nor that we will reach a result now.. I prefer that we will leave it to so many other discussions
  But u surprised me when u talked about military service.. is it still valid? Am little confused…

  I think I made u bored by now… soory

  salam

• 39. ja3far | January 22nd, 2009 at 10:40 pm

  othello .. i have just gave my opinion regarding your comment… we need to wait for N to clear it up
  salam

• 40. F.A | January 22nd, 2009 at 11:50 pm

  othello,

  wa7ieeeeeet allah… dakhilo allah… na7na el masi7ieh ma shatrin illa nii2 ouw nin3e…
  dakhlak chou 3milna ka masi7ieh ba3ed ma toli3 hal clip??? 3milna chi mouzahara??? 7adan bayan inno zi3len?? ma inte ilit chou 3imlo ommit la ilaha illa lah ba3ed ma allado 7assouna 3a basmet watan!!! EH HAYDA CHA3EB BYI7TIRIM DYENTO!!!!! MITELNA LAKENA!!!!???
  natir yi3tizro minnak???? leich khayfin minnak ouw min el masi7ieh….
  khalas, sar wa2et nidabdab…

• 41. Rima | January 23rd, 2009 at 12:09 am

  F.A.

  spot on!

• 42. paul | January 23rd, 2009 at 12:23 am

  أفاد مندوب “NowLebanon” في الجنوب أن عمالًا تابعين لشركة كهرباء لبنان تعرضوا للضرب والشتم في بلدة بليدة الجنوبية وذلك أثناء قيامهم بمهامهم الرسمية.
  وفي التفاصيل، أنه وإثر ورود معلومات عن اقدام بعض المواطنين على التعليق على شبكة الكهرباء في بلدة بليدا توجهت دورية من شركة كهرباء لبنان مؤلفة من علي حسين خليل (مواليد 1983- كونين) ونجيب سمعان ذياب (مواليد 1966 – عين ابل) ودرغام جمال مصطفى (مواليد 1977 – بيت ليف) إلى البلدة حيث تبين لهم صدق المعلومات فقاموا بتنظيم محضر ضبط بحق المواطن أ. ع. (مواليد عام 1954 – بليدا) لإقدامه على سرقة التيار الكهربائي، إلا أنهم جوبهوا من قبل أ. ع. وابنه ع. ع. (مواليد 1982) بالضرب بالايدي والعصي، فأصيب العمال الثلاثة برضوض وكدمات. وعلى اثر الحادث تدخلت دورية من مخفر درك ميس الجبل واوقفت المعتدين قيد التحقيق كما جرى اقتياد موظفي شركة الكهرباء للاستماع الى افاداتهم.

  ma32oul yi3ne!!!
  ma ba2a fi lwa7ad yisro2 kahraba bhalbalad?

• 43. Rima | January 23rd, 2009 at 12:39 am

  Sorry to say it but tfehhhh 3ala hal eyyem …sar el terrorist 3ala el masbaha..wlouhhhh shou hal sha3eib el ghashim lawein ba3eid rayhin…haydeh mich bass zimmiyyeh hayde isma shiaanisation! and I am not kidding!

• 44. Patrick | January 23rd, 2009 at 8:02 am

  i thought othello made an excellent point in #18…

• 45. Doccc1559 | January 23rd, 2009 at 8:13 am

  Othello

  I wish I was off duty today ! And I wish I can be like you MSSE3ID A3IDD! I had to work from 7-4 pm and the went to school from 4:30-9:00 pm, came home , took the family out for dinner and here I am ..

  Anyway, If you are having difficulty working with other ouwet/Christian community members on how to come out with actions to condemn the video rather than just TALK about it then simply this is not our (ja3far& doc) problem my freind. A man may well be condemned, not for doing something, but for doing nothing. SO YOU ARE THE ONE TO BLAME MON AMIE(as F.A said) ! Enough is enough, you’re making a big deal out of nothing! Many ppl on this blog have an anger management prb, you guys are going crazy about the video while turning your ”BLIND EYE” on the FRIDAY SERAY prayers by sanioura and his MUFTI, or its ok to pray in the seray now days? la3youn saad kilu bimoun??? What about SG asking his ppl to go down to DT so they can say ” AL FATI7A” 3n ru7 al 7ariri??? la3youn abu baha2 kilkun bta3mlu ISLEM eh??? Again, go blame yourself!

  As for the above question, I think you’re spinning in a circle here. You should have asked me what I think about the video first! Well, I like the video and I think it is a great idea to have all religion figures combined in one video…. I don’t see why HA are banning it !!!!! I don’t understand the huge deal behind it !! askhaf min hek ma sar wla ra7 bissir.. w badaka apology?? wlakkkkkkkkk majnun inta majnuuuuuuuun!
  Again, I love the clip and I might play it as an introdcution video to my saturday ” Lebanese American gathering family” , I am going to shed a light on the positive side of it ,maybe we can get to know eachothers (masi7iye,druze,islem)… mich mitlak NA2 BI NA2!!

  On another subject, HA does not control the shiaa street (I agree with ja3far), HA only has control over its MEMBERS ! And beleive me ya othello, if we ( M8 & M14) are not going to change the way we’re dealing with eachothers, pretty soon we will have a young population thats feels completely helpless, and thinks the bad things happening to them are nobody in praticular’s fault, just a result of global force or some regional war aganda that was forced on them , ya3ne the same way our parents felt! Then se3ita BYEBYE WATAN YA OTHELLO.

  thx budd. Voulez vous chantez avec moi ? 7ilo al video yalla ghanez ma3i…

• 46. Doccc1559 | January 23rd, 2009 at 8:14 am

  wish I was off duty today ! And I wish I can be like you MSSE3ID A3IDD! I had to work from 7-4 pm and the went to school from 4:30-9:00 pm, came home , took the family out for dinner and here I am ..

  Anyway, If you are having difficulty working with other ouwet/Christian community members on how to come out with actions to condemn the video rather than just TALK about it then simply this is not our (ja3far& doc) problem my freind. A man may well be condemned, not for doing something, but for doing nothing. SO YOU ARE THE ONE TO BLAME MON AMIE(as F.A said) ! Enough is enough, you’re making a big deal out of nothing! Many ppl on this blog have an anger management prb, you guys are going cra*y about the video while turning your ”BLIND EYE” on the FRIDAY SERAY prayers by sanioura and his MUFTI, or its ok to pray in the seray now days? la3youn saad kilu bimoun??? What about SG asking his ppl to go down to DT so they can say ” AL FATI7A” 3n ru7 al 7ariri??? la3youn abu baha2 kilkun bta3mlu ISLEM eh??? Again, go blame yourself!

  As for the above question, I think you’re spinning in a circle here. You should have asked me what I think about the video first! Well, I like the video and I think it is a great idea to have all religion figures combined in one video…. I don’t see why HA are banning it !!!!! I don’t understand the huge deal behind it !! askhaf min hek ma sar wla ra7 bissir.. w badaka apology?? wlakkkkkkkkk majnun inta majnuuuuuuuun!
  Again, I love the clip and I might play it as an introdcution video to my saturday ” Lebanese American gathering family” , I am going to shed a light on the positive side of it ,maybe we can get to know eachothers (masi7iye,druze,islem)… mich mitlak NA2 BI NA2!!

  On another subject, HA does not control the shiaa street (I agree with ja3far), HA only has control over its MEMBERS ! And beleive me ya othello, if we ( M8 & M14) are not going to change the way we’re dealing with eachothers, pretty soon we will have a young population thats feels completely helpless, and thinks the bad things happening to them are nobody in praticular’s fault, just a result of global force or some regional war aganda that was forced on them , ya3ne the same way our parents felt! Then se3ita BYEBYE WATAN YA OTHELLO.

  thx budd. Voulez vous chantez avec nous ? 7ilo al video yalla ghanez ma3i…

• 47. Doccc1559 | January 23rd, 2009 at 8:15 am

  45 for you istez othello

  and then**

• 48. Doccc1559 | January 23rd, 2009 at 8:22 am

  T

  They dont need to take their veil off ! They will keep it on in order to match the nuns

  Nuns also wear 7ijab ! Dont they my freind? So why are you discriminating against muslims ? And why do they (nuns) wear 7ijab???

  OH Christian brothers and sistes, how come only nuns wear scarves and not ordinary christian woman?
  Didnt jesus’ mother wear a scarf as well?

  E-N-O-U-G-H you guys !

• 49. Doccc1559 | January 23rd, 2009 at 8:46 am

  Ja3far

  Khaye, kifak l yom?

  Brotherly advice from your younger brother ”doc ali”: you are doing great but at the same time you are going 2 deep while discusing the matter , ya3na ” la takul kula ma ta3lam bro” im serious!! We dont have to explain anything here , when they (lf) were in power , they didnt ask us what we think!They didnt give a dam* about us.. So why should we answer all their demands???I know, We both have , chuf rima for example, she made it the long way, ya3ne rima ma kenit tfari2 bayna w bayn the afghan fighters, kenit mfakritna mitlna mitel al kell. hala2 saret a7ssan chuway (titzakar when she asked you about the Iranian culture ?) … anyway…

  JA3FAR, IT IS FOR US TO KNOW AND THEM TO FIND OUT ! who controls the street , mich cheghlon , min 3mal w min sewa hine ma khasson, chuf othello chu alak : I HAVE BEEN AROUND DA7IYE ” ya3ne bi 7ayeto ma raye7 3la da7ye w bi 7ayeto yimkin mich raye7 3la al jnub mitlo mitel samir geagea… 3/4 chamiteh , kenu natrin hamas la tekhssar w balke se3ita bidi2o fina bass fachar ma toli3lon, chu n10452 kiff LABADA W ZAMA !! Remember when the were telling us : YOU’RE AS** IS NEXT?

  Ja3far, this blog is full of mukhabarat and proud israeli agents as well. So lets keep our business for ourselves, alot of my comments dont go through and some vanish…. 3njad, dont waste your time anymore!! keep it as basic as possible..

  3la kell 7al inta bta3ref hek , ana bass 3m zakrak, inta bta3ref inu patrick w amir kilun moukhabart ..w ghayron as well..

  Allah ma3k w allah yi7mik bro.

  And raye7 nem hala2..

• 50. Leb Pride | January 23rd, 2009 at 8:52 am

  to: F.A

  Ur comparing group of barbarians to the Christians of Lebanon? This issue is being setttled diplomaticly unlike other groups. We do not go an attack other ppls houses…why would they go that low? Come on now and u call urself a followe of Christ?

• 51. Midnightflower | January 23rd, 2009 at 10:37 am

  T: post 35
  Are you serious? For the record, and after July war, Julia Boutros wasnt allowed to play her song “a7eba2i” (the 1 she did out of HN speech) on Manar because she was NOT veiled, although she was wearing a huge black 3abeyeh.

  Ja3far: Post 37: Take it easy amigo. You and your co make mistakes, we shed lights on them, ma badda hal2add. At least we do not create, fabricate, photoshop, etc…
  btw, this is an example of what I just said: enjoy:
  http://www.lebanese-forces.com/ar/artde.asp?newsid=32522
  Check the Manar shots.
  Instead of blaming us of capitalizing on media stupidity, advise your people , and your slaves;)

  Doccc: post 47
  About nuns wearing “VEIL”: That is traditional, as in ancient times, servants wore veils, and as you may / may not know, our clergy are the servants of Jesus Christ, hence their outfits.
  As for your last question:
  1- I honestly have no answer. Maybe yoyu can also enlighten me as to why not all shiites are veiled as well.
  2- “E-N-O-U-G-H” what?????

  Post 48: I’m so glad I finished the baguette before reading this! 3eyb 3leyk.

• 52. Midnightflower | January 23rd, 2009 at 10:39 am

  Ya N ya khayyi shou ossit hal moderation?? :@

• 53. othello | January 23rd, 2009 at 10:42 am

  37…Ja3far sorry pal I will not go with you there regarding the so called israeli ad..this is not the topic at hand …

  and when manar comes out bashing the LF site for having it and blatantly ignores that tayyar is also having the add, this tells me you are nothing but a bunch of hypocrites…

  if I follow your logic regarding the conspiracy pretty soon its going to be that the LF (shou hal ze3ran hawde) did the clip and are using it to bash poor innocent HA (which kinda reminds me of the SAydit Najet church bomb…but I will not dive there as well because its a different topic)

  so sorry bro I ain’t buying whatever u selling me…

  it doesn’t cut…

  try as you might to convince me that HA is your average political party with very limited control over its followers no matter what degree they may be at, it will not work because I just happen to be familiar with how these things go down…like the demo in front of the US embassy last sunday…

• 54. othello | January 23rd, 2009 at 10:48 am

  shou doccc shaklak scared … men shou khaye? ze3ran el LF? 3a bena bteklo rass el sabe3 into? eheheheheheh ttttt poor doccc…guess u r still having nightmares

  to get serious now…

  when they the lf were in power, you were too busy with either licking syrias boots or the iranian revolutionary guards… you were no where near the LF areas…so spare me the crap…

  as for your advices to ja3far…

  sorry pal but you just revealed how childish you are…

  I will not go to your level to reply because quite simply ma eli jalad l wled…so go play somewhere else…
  ja3far is this the kinda kid you were talking about??? the uncontrollable ones? tttt mate…work harder on them man…shou hayda? foufesh?

• 55. othello | January 23rd, 2009 at 10:56 am

  Midnightflower…well, what can I say…you hit the nail right on the head

• 56. ja3far | January 23rd, 2009 at 11:00 am

  THX doc … you are right … i will be more careful i guess it is the hope that some here will be able to see in a wider angle .. and not just the mokhabarati ones…
  yallah take care ya sahbi … and thx again…

  salam

• 57. ja3far | January 23rd, 2009 at 11:12 am

  Midnight … easy ya sahbi… i have seen the article u are showing .. and it do prove my point… things had turned into scoring points as i said in my comment 20.

  wa baynetna, if you look at the report made by ouwet since yesterday night, you will understand what i mean.. it do emphasise on the mistake of the reporter who clicked on the wrong link to proove something.. while we both know that even if the reporter clicked on the right link it would have led her to the jpg picture made by ouwet anyway … and which was discussed later by the reporter.,..
  we both know making such an image is very easy … and if you look at the writtings above the google word in the adv. and compare it to other writtings .. the spacing and wrapping , you will understand if it is fake or not…

  but any way i dont care who is right or wrong as i said in my comment 37 … the matter had turned to much more then a scene in a video clip and we both know that

  salam

• 58. ja3far | January 23rd, 2009 at 11:19 am

  Othello… you are missing all the point behind the discussion we had … it is not trying to convince you of anything or selling you anything … i will repeat what i wrote in my 12 :

  i totally understand that a fellow blogger cannot simply make you change what you do believe as they are an accumulation of years of experience and information… that is why i do never try to convince anybody.. i just try to explain or give the other point of view, so that you can try to understand the other …

  and again…it is important to be able communicate…

  yallah take good care of yourself and have a good day…

  salam

• 59. Midnightflower | January 23rd, 2009 at 11:28 am

  Ja3far my friend,
  Stop this “scoring” mania…. meen belo. It is not about scoring, it is about setting the record straight. Do I collect from your post that the whole Manar crap was a reporter’s mistake?
  “wa baynetna, if you look at the report made by ouwet since yesterday night, you will understand what i mean.. it do emphasise on the mistake of the reporter who clicked on the wrong link to proove something.. while we both know that even if the reporter clicked on the right link it would have led her to the jpg picture made by ouwet anyway … and which was discussed later by the reporter.,..” post 56

  “but any way i dont care who is right or wrong as i said in my comment 37 … the matter had turned to much more then a scene in a video clip and we both know that ”
  Bravo!!!!!!!!!! It has always been more than those shallow incidents. It is a matter of trying to enslave, intimidate, brainwash, etc…. a whole sect.

• 60. othello | January 23rd, 2009 at 12:02 pm

  I cannot believe it…offensive defense????? shoots …

  you are using the photoshop trick on us???? wloooooooo 3eb man 3eb

  trakna el faking wel tezwir la arbeba chrik…who was it that used to print fake dollar bills back in the 80s using presses that the pre-revolution iran had???

  and all those pretty scenes of HA supposedly capturing SLA or IDF posts back in the 90s…what was the area called where you would film the famous flag planting thingy???

  or the terkibet you supplied aoun with back on january 23rd…ironically the armed guy was a HA fighter ….woaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa……every time I remember aouns face when he was like “eureka…wajadtouha” I burst out laughing…

  when you are cornered, you bash out at the LF with the same old record: israeli agents…

  but then it tells me something real good: the LF have hit a nerve with this issue and M8 are running to clean the mess…in ANY WAY possible no matter what is the cost…

  rkedooooooooooooooo heheheheheheh

  again: IT IS NOT ABOUT SCORING POINTS it is about revealing the truth behind all this…and it is about HA and the other goons learning that THERE IS A RED LINE and you will not be allowed to cross it no matter who is your ally…this is what its all about.

  in the end, ma bi so7 illa el sa7i7…. and as DSG puts it: ina al tairkha youmhilou wala youhmil…yatamada li ba3d el wakt lakinaho la yar7al

  as for those who are criticizing the way we are dealing with it as Christians…

  1- we are in 2009…our values and civic manners forbid us from taking to the streets in the savage fashion others do.

  2- the real bravery is in knowing what battles should be fought on the street and what battles should be fought elsewhere…when the need was to fight a war, we fought like no other and we sacrificed like no other…

  3- in case the person is not aware, the church did come out and criticize this series of events…however, the church will not go as low as putting a death warrant tag on the head of the director…its not in its values to perform such barbaric acts.

  And no the church will not go complaining to HA…the Church expresses its discontent and its up to those who claim they care about sectarian relations to deal with it.

  4- no this is not nagging. its called blogging and expressing your opinion as to issues you have an opinion about…again we are in 2009…

• 61. othello | January 23rd, 2009 at 12:30 pm

  I guess Thereze Amine summarizes it by this:

  ولاننا نؤمن بالقديسين، وهم الاقرب الى ربنا يسوع المسيح، نسألهم ان يدعوا السيد المسيح الهنا، الى العودة اليوم قبل الغد الى الارض، في مجيئه الثاني، اليوم اليوم، فنحن بامس الحاجة اليه، لان الكفرة باتوا كثيرين، والفريسيون باتوا كالفطر، منهم بالفطرة ومنهم بالتطبع، ومنهم بالتبعية

• 62. othello | January 23rd, 2009 at 1:05 pm

  أبي نجم: “الفيديو كليب” ليس مزوراً ونعدهم بمفاجآت قريباً

  ردّ رئيس تحرير موقع “القوات اللبنانية” الإلكتروني طوني أبي نجم على النائب عباس هاشم جول حادثة عمشيت، فأكد أن القوات كانت أول من دعا السلطات الأمنية والقضائية للقيام بواجباتها، لافتاً إلى أن الشخص الذي تم توقيفه لا ينتمي إلى الهرمية الحزبية في القوات، أو إلى الكادر القواتي في مدرسة عمشيت، موضحاً أن رئيسة الخلية في المدرسة المذكورة تدعى فانيسا متى.

  أبي نجم، وفي مداخلة عبر تلفزيون “الجديد”، تطرق إلى موضوع “الفيديو كليب” للأمين العام لحزب الله حسن نصرالله والذي تم تصويره في كنيسة مار يوسف في حارة حريك، فقال: “أؤكد للنائب هاشم أن “الفيديو كليب” ليس مزوراً وسنضع كل المعلومات التفصيلية عنه وعن تكاليفه التي بلغت عشرات آلاف الدولارات، إضافة إلى أسماء الممثلين، وسيكون هناك مفاجآت أمام الرأي العام”.

  وإذ جدد التأكيد أن الفيديو الكليب ليس مزوراً، أشار أبي نجم إلى أن من يزور، ومن يرسم صليباً على ذراع شخص من مقاتلي “حزب الله” ويصور لاحقاً أنه عنصر من القوات اللبنانية يطلق النار على الجيش اللبناني بات معروفاً.

  —————-

  so according to abbas hashem the clip is a fake? hehe I was expecting this (as per my previous post)…

• 63. M8 nightmare | January 23rd, 2009 at 2:11 pm

  to check > http://www.antimichelaoun.com & http://www.10452lccc.com

  if they say we, LF are just trying to destroy micho’s image, well guys, go there and check what ex-aounists are revealing about the 3amil number 1 who pretended for so long being patriotic !

• 64. Doccc1559 | January 23rd, 2009 at 7:48 pm

  Othello

  Very good! Consider me a child I love it ! It is bczo of kids like myself we were able to keep you under control hushhhh!!!!

  It’s possible to be a ph.d,doc, lawyer,journalist,just to name a few examples, and at the same time be an uneducated person. The most abvious symptom is the ABSENCE of your original tugish thoughts of thinking. You pretend to be cool but the at the same time your comments show your real personality ya OUWATJE INTA

  As for being scared loooool, sma3 ya sabeh : caution is the eldest child of wisdom. It is our high security level that kept us alive till this day la inta wla kell al moukhabarat warak will get in between us , w inta bta3ref hal chi ..

  Again, I like the video , I am going to pass it aroud and promote it as ”3ych muchtarak”

  Yalla take a hike or keep on crying ..

  Midnightflower

  Hijab is not an OPTION my freind. All Muslim women should wear it.

  Rules regarding Muslim women’s attire are derived from the Quran, Islam’s revealed text, : say to the believing women that they should lower their gaze and guard their modesty; that they should not display their beauty and adornments except what (must ordinarily) appear thereof; that they should draw their viels over their bosoms and not display their beauty except to their husbands, and family members.

  Muhammad say : If the woman reaches the age of puberty, no part of her body should be seen but this — and he pointed to his face and hands!

  Yes, some Shiaa women choose not to wear hijab. Some may want to wear it but beleive they’re not ready yet ect… in other word breaking the rules! ya3ne unacceptable. hayda chi reji3 la ilun baynun w ben rabon..

  Bihfam 2inu your nuns wear the hijab in respect to their god JESUS the same way our women wear the hijab for ALLAH ?

• 65. Doccc1559 | January 23rd, 2009 at 7:50 pm

  Othello

  Very good! Consider me a chi_ld I love it ! It is bczo of kids like myself we were able to keep you under control hushhhh!!!!

  It’s possible to be a ph.d,doc, lawyer,journalist,just to name a few examples, and at the same time be an uneducated person. The most abvious symptom is the ABSENCE of your original tug_ish thoughts of thinking. You pretend to be cool but the at the same time your comments show your real personality ya OUWATJE INTA

  As for being scared loooool, sma3 ya sabeh : caution is the eldest child of wisdom. It is our high security level that kept us alive till this day la inta wla kell al moukhabarat warak will get in between us , w inta bta3ref hal chi ..

  Again, I like the video , I am going to pass it aroud and promote it as ”3ych muchtarak”

  Yalla take a hike or keep on crying ..

  Midnightflower

  Hijab is not an OPTION my freind. All Muslim women should wear it.

  Rules regarding Muslim women’s attire are derived from the Quran, Islam’s revealed text, : say to the believing women that they should lower their gaze and guard their modesty; that they should not display their beauty and adornments except what (must ordinarily) appear thereof; that they should draw their viels over their bosoms and not display their beauty except to their husbands, and family members.

  Muham_mad say : If the woman reaches the age of puberty, no part of her body should be seen but this — and he pointed to his face and hands!

  Yes, some Sh_iaa women choose not to wear hijab. Some may want to wear it but beleive they’re not ready yet ect… in other word breaking the rules! ya3ne unacceptable. hayda chi reji3 la ilun baynun w ben rabon..

  Bihfam 2inu your nuns wear the hijab in respect to their god JES_US the same way our women wear the hijab for ALL_AH ?

• 66. Doccc1559 | January 23rd, 2009 at 8:26 pm

  Ja3far

  No thank you habibi

  hala2 ana siret khayfen min othello looooool, mahdum al chab eh ??? chaklo of those ” talet al sumud guys” hehehe !

  Ana w inta mna3ref chu RISSMELO laman yjid al jad

  Keep it up bro..

• 67. othello | January 23rd, 2009 at 8:46 pm

  Doccccccccccccccccc

  Watch it mate…I told you dont get all worked out and nervous…you stop being able to type correctly

  as for keeping under control…yeah well…lemme see…back in January 2007 it was obvious who kept who under control…what? you forgot so soon??? its only been like two years man…tttttt… plus, I mean if you read recent events, especially the desperate attacks launched by Al Manar, any bystander will notice who is making who nervous enough to try and dig ANY kind of accusation just to smear the rep of the LF…

  and when you say:

  “It’s possible to be a ph.d,doc, lawyer,journalist,just to name a few examples, and at the same time be an uneducated person.”

  yeah well…I guess its possible in HA land…what do you do? you buy the degrees? or are they handed to you by some higher divinity????

  I do not pretend to be cool my friend…I dont need that

  and if you consider “OUWATJE” as an insult, allow me to tell you we bear this as a medal on our chest for had it not been for us, thugs like you would have had their way and instead of “Hijab is not an OPTION my freind. All Muslim women should wear it” you’d be declaring ALL WOMEN SHOULD WEAR IT…

  instead of having the democratic republic of Lebanon, we would have had “al jumhurya al islamia al lubnania” thats if I want to talk sectarian…

  if I want to talk politics, Lebanon would become a bargaining ground for Iran and Syria to get their way with the west…

  If I wanted to talk education, I guess we’d all end up as you said in your post: uneducated PhD’s lawyers etc

  Wisdom eh? your high security level??? tell me how secure was Moghaniya when they blew him up??? do I understand he lost his wisdom??

  moukhabarat? me??? what the heck…has aoun’s paranoia passed on to you??? w ba3den what the syrian mukhabarat are not protecting you guys anymore???? and if I was whatever you claim I am, what the heck would I want with you???? no mate sorry you are barking up the wrong tree…

  you see we are not seeking a totalitarian regime by any way…let me remind you its your allies who apply this in their country…fa I guess you got me mistaken pal…

  your friend asked me about freedom of speech and how I look at it…lets say my views are biblical: I treat people as they treat me…in other words when people like you want to restrict my liberty to caricature heir sayyed, I sure as hell am not going to allow them to insult my religious figures…because yes I do consider the presence of nasrallas image between that of the Virgin Mary and St Charbel as an insult by itself.

  You like the video, play it as much as you want…you think I care? just do not force it down the national throat…

  and don’t play innocent about its contents and most importantly, WHEN I COME OUT WITH SOMETHING SIMILAR, just be sure to shut your trap and stay in your corner…thats all…capishe? when you want me to respect your values, you better as hell start respecting mine…otherwise no game…

  this is what you are not getting…

  I do not give a rat’s ass for what you like and what you do not…

  for all I care you can put it on endless loop day and night, have screen savers of it, play it in your car, your cell ring tone wherever you like…

  but when the other side does something similar, keep your testosterone levels in check and your two bit thugs away from their areas…thats all…

  take a hike? where to? I do not look up to Iran for my guidance…nor do I acknowledge najad as any kind of representative whatsoever…I am Lebanese born and bred in this land fa…sorry mate guess you’re gona have to live with me as is

  regarding the hijab and your answer to Midnightflower…its not up to you to decide who wears what…hijab is a way of adoring the Lord…if one feels like this adoration, they will do it…

  we are not in Iran nor in KSA…we are in Lebanon…you cannot dictate anything to anyone because quite simply MA KHASSAK.

  see who is revealing their true face?

  see who, when you scratch the surface appears without the mask???

  keep your fanatism in check pal…

  a thousand michel aouns will not help you spread your sick thoughts in this country…

  it was, still is and will remain a FREE COUNTRY…

  and I hope you see now why I am writing against this clip of yours…because quite simply you are not to be given your own way…for it is a dark way of fanatism and extremism which does not care for individual freedoms and is only concerned with living in the middle ages.

  as for nuns…its their CHOICE…you do know what that word means? CHOICE..FREE WILL…yes I guessed it would be an alien concept to you…can’t blame you man…I just pity your sorry ass.

  and just in case you are tempted to accuse me of attacking the Holy Quran (because quite frankly I am used to your escape routes when you are cornered): regardless of what ANY holy book says, it is up to the people themselves to choose whether they will follow or not. Religion is by choice not by force.

  “Yes, some Sh_iaa women choose not to wear hijab. Some may want to wear it but beleive they’re not ready yet ect… in other word breaking the rules! ya3ne unacceptable”

  unacceptable to who???? God??? you may call your party after His name but you are FAR FROM BEING HIM my friend fa spare us the demagogic monologues and go look for ways of living in the 21st century…its people like you who are giving Islam a bad name and are tarnishing its image.

  El din terghib mouch terhib ya habboub.

  And by the way…Jesus is not our God…read up more on the Holy Trinity and on its meanings before you come make a fool of yourself on a public blog…

  salam

• 68. othello | January 23rd, 2009 at 8:49 pm

  Shou howi ressmeli?

  kid…bi sharafak…grow up…la int wla hezbak kello edir 3ala rebe3 ressmeli lama yjed el jadd.

  Ja3far if this is what you guys are really about…sma7li fia…badkun ktir fatt khebez man.

• 69. othello | January 23rd, 2009 at 8:50 pm

  Oh and ya feli7 inta…

  its MOUTALAT AL SOUMOUD…ask your friends in chia7 about it, I bet they still have nightmares to this very day

• 70. ja3far | January 23rd, 2009 at 11:49 pm

  Othello.. i know the discussion is between u and Doc… just a small note related to education and the HA land for you to think about… then it is for doc to answer back…

  while reading your comment i remembered a quote of socrates:

  Education is the kindling of a flame, not the filling of a vessel…

  do u consider the ” education” of Aristophane or the 556 judge who condemned socrates to death had led them to “wisedom”?

  dont answer back… just think about it…

  salam

• 71. J-T | January 24th, 2009 at 3:05 am

  Othello

  Hi,

  Stop you wrong accusations against Doc. I don’t think he is a fanatic person. I know the guy very well, he is an open minded person who doesn’t do any of the stuff you’re accusing him of..

  He said all Muslim women should wear the hijab,but if they don’t then it is betweem them and God. What’s wrong with that ? Where did he force it on them?

  I’ve been knowing Doc for years, he never forced anything on me. He is the coolest Shiite guy on the planet. So,what’s up with your blind judgement?

  Time to stop this hatred.

  Thank you,
  Sara

• 72. Doccc1559 | January 24th, 2009 at 9:13 am

  Othello

  Oh dear! Looks like you fell out of the ug_ly tree and hit every branch on the way down! Easy on yourself my freind, you didnt have to call me THU_G nor FANA_TIC to prove yourself! Watch your language so we dont take this conversation to the low level of yours Again, you are spining in a circle budd.

  You say :
  as for keeping under control…yeah well…lemme see…back in January 2007 it was obvious who kept who under control…what? you forgot so soon??? its only been like two years man…tttttt… plus, I mean if you read recent events, especially the desperate attacks launched by Al Manar, any bystander will notice who is making who nervous enough to try and dig ANY kind of accusation just to smear the rep of the LF…

  Answer : What you saying is nonsense like usual. After may 7, you all became under control. RAWADNEKUN chrik.. Look at the picture as a whole not little street clashes here and there!! See how tinny your brain is ?? Or should i remind you of your status at that time?? Also, Al manar doest have to dig hard to hurt you , all they have to do is to say out loud who you guys are. Your reputation is ruined by all means and no need for Al manar to try hard. Go look at recent 3mchit incidents chu elie makhoul toli3 ouwatje?? wleee ya awedim , badkun trajo3 al balad la iyem al 7areb ? تبين ان كاتب الشعارات في عمشيت يدعى ايلي مخول وهو مسؤول خلية القوات اللبنانية في المدرسة ومن سكان بلدة حبالين ووالده يعمل في الـLBC وله سوابق في اعمال مماثلة. مؤسف هذه الاعمال التي ان دلت على شيء فعلى افلاس الجهة السياسية التي ينتمي اليها الجاني, NA7NU LAKUM BIL MIRSSAD ! yalla bla333 ri2k 3la al nechif. hayda wa7ad..

  Second, you say : and if you consider “OUWATJE” as an insult, allow me to tell you we bear this as a medal on our chest for had it not been for us, thugs like you would have had their way and instead of “Hijab is not an OPTION my freind. All Muslim women should wear it” you’d be declaring ALL WOMEN SHOULD WEAR IT…

  instead of having the democratic republic of Lebanon, we would have had “al jumhurya al islamia al lubnania” thats if I want to talk sectarian…

  Answer : Temper !! Temper!! You losing it !! U can be a proud ouwatje all you want,there is no shame in not knowing; the shame lies in not finding out! yalla sit w tale3 3laykun chrik, zo3ran, kilmet 7a2!

  As for 7ijab, yes all muslim women should wear it. It is an order from God just like salat and siyam. We dont get to choose there! Understand you ignorant ????? In case they dont wear it then this is bewteen them and GOD not ME and THEM. I dont get to judge them (i.e my sister doesnt wear one).. ya3ne they are free to practice their minds, we dont force 7ijab on our ppl ya othello. Go to da7ye and see to yourself habibi chi bi7ijeb w chi bala 7ijeb ! chi lebiss tawil w chi ma lebiis chi hehehe ..also, how many time we have to tell you that we’re not interested in building an Islamic state????? I personally oppose it ! I come from al sader school where : al ta3yuch al isslami al massi7i sarwa yajab al tammasuk biha.

  You say : Wisdom eh? your high security level??? tell me how secure was Moghaniya when they blew him up??? do I understand he lost his wisdom??

  moukhabarat? me??? what the heck…has aoun’s paranoia passed on to you??? w ba3den what the syrian mukhabarat are not protecting you guys anymore???? and if I was whatever you claim I am, what the heck would I want with you???? no mate sorry you are barking up the wrong tree…

  you see we are not seeking a totalitarian regime by any way…let me remind you its your allies who apply this in their country…fa I guess you got me mistaken pal…

  Answer : Open you ears for some real talk here. Something you dont know much about : Imad moughniyeh was not a MAJLESS CHOURA HA member ( go google what majless shoura is or ask your freinds in da7ye) and he was assassinated in syria (foreign country) while driving alone, this shows how weak the Israelis are, they had to take the battle elsewhere!! MA FACHARET you have the ability to get in between HA high level office. MA FACHARET, after 33 days of bombing the Israelis couldnt even kill one of HA’s top leader!! You know very well that if it wasnt up to their high security , HA would have been gone yrs and yrs ago.. Again, FACHARET inta w assyedak !! You can try all you want .tttt..

  As for the video, ya othello stop crying about it and if you dont like it go sue them sue who eh ?? min wara al video?? hehehehe , you one big pathetic loser ya chrik. keep on barking the same way you have been barking for the past 38 yrs it aint gonna do you any good.

  As for GMA, we7yetak we dont need a 1000 gma to drive you crazy أنا ما بد حمل ضميري bas one gma de3iss bi albkun w ra7 bidal de3iss bi albkun 4 ever!

  You say :
  it was, still is and will remain a FREE COUNTRY

  answer : I agree . This is our cause and what we’re fighting 4 , law badna al balad kina akhadne min zamen.

  you say : Religion is by choice not by force.

  answer : I also agree. We never did..

  You say : El din terghib mouch terhib ya habboub

  answer : I agree, min arab sawbkun?

  As for moutalat al sumud, hehehe, you have no room to talk there, it was nothing but a red line my freind. I wonder how good was your sumud when Junblat butchered you ? How good was you sumud in damur? bcheri? How many yrs its gonna take b4 you TRAJE3 AL 7A2 LA S7ABU? I wonder chu hal sumud li 7at samir geagea bil 7abess? chu hal sumud li harab al massi7iye min lebnen? chu hal sumud hayda ya ma7la HAMA_S idemkun!!! I call it talet not moutalat bcoz achrafiyeh was a TALEH, talet al achrafiyeh , kinet issma3 deyman , issma3 kiff kinto ti2tlu attfel w nisswen

  yalla za7it ya typical,

  PS: RESSMELAK = NO RESSMEL!! you never mattered.

• 73. Doccc1559 | January 24th, 2009 at 9:13 am

  Sara

  hayeto la doc inteh

  Thank you baby

• 74. othello | January 24th, 2009 at 11:08 am

  What you guys even want to change what the guy wrote???

  People can still read you know and have not gone as dumb as this..

  anyways try harer…matter of fact is what was said was said and the evidence is still there

• 75. paul | January 24th, 2009 at 2:21 pm

  Doc

  ra7 nmarri2lak yalle 2ilto min 3ada.

  “As for moutalat al sumud…bla bla…
  killna mna3rif inkoun kinto mad3oumin min sourya incl. junblat.

  in relation my question is:wen kinto lamma fetit isra2il 3a beirut? wlamma feto l2ouwet 3a killiyet l3ouloum w elie hobeika 3a sabra wchatila ?ta ma 2oul FI 3IKRI DARIKOM

  “law badna al balad kina akhadne min zamen.”

  eh into l da7ye w3am tiflat min 2idkoun CHWEY…CHWEY…

• 76. ja3far | January 24th, 2009 at 5:13 pm

  yeeeh paul excited !!! doc should get a reward for that
  unrelated to the subject as ma bihimni zarek lahada … i have a curious question paul, and i wonder if you can answer…

  i gave heard you guys here accusing hobeika and not ouwet time after time of the sabra and chatila massacre… and that he was a murderer bla bla bla… tayeb khaye the hundreds of military men who went in with him and killed the people inside in the ugliest way possible .. who were those people? werent they bachirs men? werent they they people who fought with him and made the glory of the ouwet? am just trying to understand your point of view…

  THX

• 77. J-T | January 24th, 2009 at 6:32 pm

  Othello

  People can also read what you wrote. You should reconsider your words.

  Doc

  Give me a huge hug , baadak neyiim?

• 78. paul | January 24th, 2009 at 7:43 pm

  ja3far

  Hobeika allah yir7amo was the chief of secret service in the LF.with intelligece and charisma he controlled almost all the other units.you can compare him to 3imad moughaniye ” in his job”.

  HK fata7 3a 7sebo and some of his men told later they were there and you have certainly read what Cobra has write.

  your question if those were Bachir’s men is difficult to answer because kil char2iye kenit Bachir’s men,and the massacre happened after his death,but one thing is sure Geagea has nothing to do with it.

  this will sound weird but i think syria is behind the massacre to kik israel out from lebanon.

  i can’t say more ba3den byije Doc bya3mille mou7adara ta 2intibih min lmoukhabarat hon

• 79. Fuziyad | January 24th, 2009 at 7:50 pm

  uff chou hal doc, thought he was only a simple minded kid and now saw he’s also a real fanatic…chi bir chareff…

• 80. paul | January 24th, 2009 at 7:54 pm

  Fuziyad

  he2to 2a3ad 3a 2ibrit doping blighalat

• 81. ja3far | January 24th, 2009 at 7:58 pm

  Paul … the syrian involvement ma hada saba2ak 3laya even the israeli who wanted to throw their involvement at anybody chou in saterday eve mood ?;)

• 82. ja3far | January 24th, 2009 at 8:04 pm

  Paul .. another question as u are in the mood … if u dont mind … what do you think of ma3arek sharek saida and of al jabal and of their outcome? am not asking to point on who won or loose… but if u think their was a bigger plan behind them

  salam

• 83. paul | January 24th, 2009 at 8:40 pm

  Ja3far

  if you read the third and fourth words in @78
  then you will know innon saba2oune 3laya

  about 7arb l jabal and east saida I do not want to play the role of an expert,but i think it was no plan put behind , Hobeika knew the futility and he literally said(i read it nowhere):”iza jonblat whal2****a baddoun ydallo mechyiin ma3 souriya fa ana ra7 3allimoun kif l3alam btimche ma3 souriya”.

  wba3d minna sar l2ittife2 ma3 souriya.

• 84. ja3far | January 24th, 2009 at 8:57 pm

  allah yerhamna jami3an u think he was 24 years ahead of others with his vision ?;)

  i heve my theory for the battle of east saida.. but i will keep it to myself for now

• 85. othello | January 25th, 2009 at 12:50 am

  docc ya docc…

  I see I really did strike a nerve I love it when you go ballistic…

  listen…

  I’m in a really good mood right now…just got back from a Marcel Khalifi concert and quite frankly I really do not feel like listening to you trying hard to revert what you said and come up with tangents to your tangents…

  to cut a long story short, I will assume you are part of the elite (phds, lawyers, doctors etc) in your society and will tell you this: if the elite are so bigoted and ignorant then its no surprise the rest of the HA followers act like they do…therefore I have no dialog for you…go carry on your monologue on your own…the canned slogans and empty accusations are all deja vu and quite honestly it would take a fool to believe them…just like those orange fools you are stringing behind you…

  you think cheap words coming from you will affect my temper?

  or you think threats that are as empty as your head will have any effect whatsoever???

  my friend…go…study hard…read a lot…live your life and then come lecture me about bravery in battle and about patriotism and nationalism…

  hell you did not even know if it was a hill or a triangle (re tallit el soumoud from a couple of posts back in case you managed to forget)… badak ba3d te2na3ni eno khare l wa7ad ytne2ash ma3ak???

  yalla oust…

• 86. othello | January 25th, 2009 at 1:04 am

  although I’m going off topic but I’d like to comment on a few things to ja3far:

  regarding HK, sabra & chatilla etc…I would like to reply with a question: how do you regard Sob7i Toufaili and his men? was he not at one point in Nasralla’s shoes? as you know, Toufayli today is a personna non grata in the hezeb…can we generalize and accuse HA of whatever toufayli is doing in britel?

  in case you are not aware, HK was removed from the leadership of the Lebanese Forces by an internal coup d’etat in 1986 and DSG took the helm of the party…therefore it would be very logic to assume that the men loyal to him left with him much like toufaily’s men…

  today those men form the WA3D party and are amidst the supporters of March 8 movement…thus your allies…so tell me how come you accept to be allied to people who carried out what you are accusing the LF of doing???

  regarding the Sabra and Chatila camps…I would also like to remind you of “7arb el moukhayamet” where AMAL committed similar atrocities if not much worse with the palestinians…and today as well AMAL is your ally…or is it “onsor akhaka zaliman kana am mazlouman”????

  I will take you even further…Tal El Zaatar…back then Aoun was an artillery officer and he planned and carried out the shelling of the camp…and again Aoun is your ally today…

  so pray tell me where do you stand vis a vis all the above????

  I understand your rage at the Lebanese Forces for their alleged crimes but in light of all the above, you surely see that it was in fact your present allies who did most of them…care to explain to me how come your rage is still directed at the LF???

• 87. othello | January 25th, 2009 at 1:09 am

  Just for history:

  Three years after the infamous massacres, Amal launched attacks against the Palestinian refugees camps of Sabra, Shatila, and Burj el-Brajneh in Beirut and, in south Lebanon, the Rushidiyye camp of Tyre.

  Between 1985 and 1988, the Amal War of the Camps claimed the lives of 3,781 people, with close to 7,000 injured.

• 88. Doccc1559 | January 25th, 2009 at 3:58 am

  Paul

  Mukhabarat will go after me and Ja3far not you ! Anyway, when the German Gov is going to list HA under terro**sm?? yalla ya zalameh chido al himeh al himeh awiyeh markab yindah 3la ba7riye ya ba7riyeh hela hela (othello’s music), kell 3murkun badkun rasso la marcel ma hek?

  Othello

  First of all, I have no tolerance against the Geageaists like yourself. You can’t change history , can you my freind? It is irresponsible to put a modern mindset into a historical character or events, and it goes against any logic to beleive what you’re saying here. So, stop lying !

  History is philosophy teaching by example and also by warning, My job is to warn my people ( I adviced ja3far not to go 2 deep discusing anything with you) especially against those who want to start a sectarian/civil war and then blame it on others..Against those who made the druze and sunnis massacre the Christian soul in jabal Lebnen ect.. Does my words ring a bell othello???? Very deep, very deep it does!! For example, few days ago, you were attacking ja3far left and right, you asked him about our teenagers and how to control them. Well, 2 days latter, your ELIE MAKHOUL TEENAGER was اعتقلت القوى الأمنية المدعو أ.م. بتهمة كتابة شعارات تحريضية على جدران ثانوية عمشيت الرسمية، واصدرت مصلحة الطلاب في القوات اللبنانية بياناً نفت فيه مزاعم تلفيزيون ال بأنّ الموقوف هو رئيس خلية طلاب القوات اللبنانية في الثانوية المذكورة … ect… I dont blame the kid though, he’s been used by you and your LF media. hayda just an example of you and your ppl and what you guys are willing to do in order to start chaos and then blame it all on the shiaa street.

  At last, your history and your present is a nightmare from which you are trying to awaken. I dont need to study hard and I dont need to read alot eventhough i do all day long ,lek politics is not everthing in my life, i have more important things going around me than your triangle of sumud. Go have fun , othello. Go listen to Marcel khalifa maybe one day you’ll understand his music. Go othello go b4 life pass you by..

  Case closed !

• 89. Doccc1559 | January 25th, 2009 at 4:00 am

  JT

  , you rock my world

  Fuziyad

  Chu bina ???

• 90. doccc2559 | January 25th, 2009 at 4:48 am

  “History is philosophy teaching by example and also by warning”….

  What a great quote..or did u think of it urself ya aflaton?

• 91. Fuziyad | January 25th, 2009 at 6:30 am

  Othello??amal killing palestinians???this is taboo!!!!!!!wallaw?? chabeb el moumana3a killing palestinian civilians????good the PLO had left …civilians 3al mazbout…at least in tall el zaatar there was fighters…

• 92. Fuziyad | January 25th, 2009 at 6:37 am

  Doc,chou bina???read back yr posts…

  That’s not the issue but i was surprised knowing that yr wife was wearing the hijab…

• 93. Free Palestine | January 25th, 2009 at 6:49 am

  Doc

  Ktir 2awiye on 87! 3jad ktir ktir 2awiye !

  Man, af7amtu la othello.

  quote :

  It is irresponsible to put a modern mindset into a historical character or events, and it goes against any logic to beleive what you’re saying here. So, stop lying !

  You nailed it docc , you really did. Criminals like Othello will never get out of their 80’s era.

• 94. Fuziyad | January 25th, 2009 at 7:24 am

  Free Palestine, don’t stand with the doc, 3a2lo 3a 2addo….

  w enta chou osstak??? didn’t get yr post, did you???

• 95. othello | January 25th, 2009 at 11:20 am

  docccc

  your english is improving!!! what, taking night classes so that you become an “educated” person? pravo pravo pravo

  regarding your monologue, ma nakashto jahilan ila wa ghalllabani fa excuse me …

  you will contradict yourself soon enough…

  as for those applauding you, well have your five minutes of fame…don’t want to spoil it for you birds of a feather flock together so…

  as for Marcel…

  you would probably be one of the fools who started to dabke when the entire concert was for the people of ghazza…so typical…

  anyways…as I told you, enjoy your five minutes of fame…get more people to praise your posts…this way you only strengthen my point about what you really are

  tchuss

• 96. paul | January 25th, 2009 at 11:54 am

  Doc chou ishbek m3assab?

  wbarke inte moukhabaraat w2e3id bmaktab r.ghazele wnezil fina wa3z.

  and…i did not vote to Merckel,but now when i read your comment ,i will think about it.

  ja3far…saba7o you asked about Jabal war not about the history of Kataeb.
  HA was at the beginning against Syria and politic can change,why should i tell you everything what i know and you keep quite? …khayif ma Doc yifsoud 3lek:-)

• 97. ja3far | January 25th, 2009 at 12:18 pm

  othello… as u said it is out of topic .. but please allow me to explain to you my point of view … but please dont answer with i dont buy what you are selling or spare me the cr*ap … deal?

  the question regarding sabra and chatila was based on the fact that every time it is mentioned people here throw it on Hobaika, removing any connection of LF with it… but what was confusing for me was that even if it was hobaiqua who gave the order, who do you consider the hundreds of people who went inside the camp and did to those poor civilians what was done in the way it was done… and no need to elaborate on what was done to the bodies and the level of brutality the corps were dealt with… don’t forget that hobaika was removed after around four years of that …

  and as i heard to many here talking that it is legitimate to kill Palestinians i just want to add a small additional information for those who do care: half of the killed people were poor Lebanese civilians … ya3ni the same poor no body care to count them…

  another useful information for those interested is that during the election in the 90s, Syria was pushing for hubaika to become MP. And included him in baabda list… At that time HA refused to go with hobaika on the same list due to the existing accusation… so HA went out of the list of Syria which included jumblat, harriri people, birri people and hubaika in baabda .. and preferred that Hajj amar ( the famous taher halaak man ) do ally with dr. Dakash against the list… i remember the situation very well, we were in a completely destroyed Christian village ( at that time ).. we were in the only build building their .. the church … i remember the wa3ed buses bringing Christian from Beirut in buses to vote… Abou ili mabadak t3amer baytak? Haydi al lista… it was a hot election… we were able to make dr. Dakash win but Amar lost at that time .. but we do never regret it…

  you know amal have targeted HA for not a short period of times… they went in a fierce war against HA in the south to eliminate any existing type of resistance that do not follow syrias order… HA were sieged in ikleem al toufah for more than 6 months .. but amal was never able to eliminate them… HA fought that war for the right to resist and the right to be armed … the people who pushed HA for May 7 didnt read history very well…

  Any way … if you really want to make a Lebanon , you can never have eternal enemies; we have to sit together and agree on a common agenda… we have to find what join us and work on eliminating the differences… not the opposite… there is too many things that differentiate HA from Aoun.. but they were able to build something on the mutual agreement they made…

  Lebanon can never be build with the druze eliminated from the political scene… that is why HA is ready to give jumblat a chance after a chance after a chance…

  When there was a mutual agreement HA did ally with Ouwet in the last election… the election was based on al itifaq al rouba3i; that did produce the election and the famous bayan al wizari…

  I believe HA have learned very well that Lebanon can never be made by eliminating any group… the same way they have seen the example of Ramallah falling in 10 min. While gaza resisting for 21 days…

  salam

• 98. ja3far | January 25th, 2009 at 12:22 pm

  paul .. i was talking about the second jabal war .. any way let up keep some stories for later … too many things to tell

  enjoy your day ya sahbi ..

  salam

• 99. othello | January 25th, 2009 at 12:50 pm

  Ja3far…

  no it is not legitimate to kill anyone regardless of race creed or religion…life is far too precious for that.

  those slogans about the Palestinians have roots way back in the 70s after the massacres the Palestinians committed against us…they were very much like your call for death to jews or death to america…and as “ethical”. you cannot separate the two…you cannot on one hand be calling for the wipe out of an entire nation and be criticizing someone else for demanding the same…personally I am against ALL such claims.

  to go back to sabra and chatilla. every time it is mentionned, its usually in the context of someone (usually from M8) trying to use it as an argument in a discussion and accusing DSG of it…hence the clarification about the real author of the massacres.

  unfortunately many people seem to be unaware of the history of the LF and thus commit many mistakes in attributing what they attribute to them.

  in 1982, Bachir had just been assassinated.

  the LF was somewhat lost…HK was the heading security apparatus (jihez el amen).

  Fadi Frem took over the leadership of the LF.

  DSG was nowhere near that line of command…this is what is usually meant when we clarify that it was HK who committed the crimes…

  you would be surprised at the amount of IGNORANT people out there…people who do not know TALLET el 888 from MOUTALLAT el soumoud from and yet claim to come and launch accusations left and right just spewing their hatred.

  I know about HA and Amal, iklim al toufa7, nasrallah’s injury back then…I also know about the B3abda elections…

  I am asking you about now…

  you are “criticizing” (to say the least) the LF for things your very allies have also committed…and I was looking for an answer to that…

  I agree that Lebanon cannot be without ALL its components, but like it or not, the LF are a major part of these components…not as aoun would love people to believe…it is true in 2005 we suffered a big blow in the elections, but since then we have come a long way and a proof of that is the daily attacks on the LF from all the members of M8…

  for instance take the kid who sprayed on the walls in amshit…

  according to some idiots, it was an LF kid…even though there is NOTHINHG linking him to the LF!!!!

  tab let me ask…as per aounistic logic, 70% of christians are aounists or support aoun…good…this means if I was to pick out a lebanese christian from a sample, there is a 7/10 probability that he is aounist…yet anytime there is something wrong, we see fools coming out and claiming it was an LFer…somewhat biased would you not agree?

  so this constant targeting tells me one thing: the LF must be hitting hard on the nerves of M8 for them to go to all this trouble…

  I have my own theory as to why:
  you see, unlike the aounists, the LF will not melt into any kind of alliance…we understand what an alliance is and we would not go deeper than just an alliance…I think this is what HA does not like about the LF…

  the explanation to this is simple: we have a history to respect and come from a very very long path of resisting and persisting whereas the aounists are bound together by ONE THING ONLY: HATRED OF LF and DSG…blind hatred as well…I tell you, take away DSG and the LF and the aounists would die off having no one to hate.

  as for history…

  many of todays politicians forget the crap about history…

  as I told you, current alliances show that no one cares about history in politics…

  I could show you a couple of quotes from nasrallah himself about aoun back in 90s…and I could show you quotes from aoun regarding HA as well…look where they are today…

  fa this history thing is all about playing with the peoples minds…

  when you need to outcast someone, you bring out alleged parts of his history (occasionally adding some salt and pepper to make it spicier) which you would immediately hide back in case you come to an agreement with them…

  take for example January 23rd and the famous photoshop feat done by aoun on manar…had no one come out to tell the people it is a lie, this would have gone down into history to be pulled out every time aoun wanted to score a hit…

  this is sad for as long as it goes on, we will never be able to build a country….but anyways its another matter.

  to get back to your question (too much off topics ):

  you can regard HK as Toufayli…and I asked you a question: do you accept that HA takes any responsibility for actions carried out by toufayli???

• 100. ja3far | January 25th, 2009 at 2:49 pm

  othello… a quick reply .. till the other subject

  we never say death to the jews… we say death to israel as a racist regime, and to america as an opressor regime… but not to the people…

  sobhi tfaili was the leader of HA in a part of the history… i dont agree on everything he did ..however, HA was able to internaly evolve and remove him .. he became worst with time due to his ego.. u know ego removed the devil from heaven … but this is HA history, what was done by HA during his leadership was done by HA… point…
  However, since him gone, the HA had turned everything upsite down internally…even the slogan was changed from al thawra al islamia fee lobnan to al mokawama al islamiya fi lobnan..HA do say they had their mistakes but they ask to judge them following their actions since the 90

  i dont want to discuss aounies, how they think and who think better… it is not for me and i believe it is shallow …but following your logic you have made too many people hates you …

  salam

• 101. ja3far | January 25th, 2009 at 9:30 pm

  by the way othello.. the guy who started the tallet al somoud thing here was a fellow ouweti while bragging about achrafieh .. just for the record

• 102. othello | January 25th, 2009 at 9:46 pm

  and thats supposed to be an excuse for ignorance? come on man…you can do better that this…

• 103. ja3far | January 25th, 2009 at 9:48 pm

  no it was a part of a dialogue started a while ago and u came at the end

• 104. othello | January 26th, 2009 at 1:18 am

  Read up on post 72 man…he considers it as talle with respect to Ashrafieh…so his consideration is wrong because, as divine as he may think he is, he cannot change a name just because he “thinks” it should be this way…

  anyways, the guy is not worth a comment even so why bother anyways…re reading that post made me realize how much time was spent on dialoging with him, or rather attempting a dialog vis a vis his empty monologue…

  yalla good night.

• 105. Doccc1559 | January 26th, 2009 at 7:45 am

  free palestina

  Thank you habibi, case closed anyway..

  He is a helpless case. bil lebneneh min2ilu: 32liye adimeh. houwe bass 3la 7a2 !! terikh badu ygahyro 3la zaw2o..

  Paul

  Ana moukhabarat ? lamin? la fbi ? hahaha, khalas ya paul…

  Sara

  you da the best..

• 106. paul | January 26th, 2009 at 10:26 pm

  “3la kell 7al inta bta3ref hek , ana bass 3m zakrak, inta bta3ref inu patrick w amir kilun moukhabart ..w ghayron as well..”

  Doc, ana bis7aba ma3 inne 2ilet “BARKE.”

  ana akid innak ma ra7 tis7aba.

• 107. othello | January 28th, 2009 at 2:43 am

  doccc

  regarding Imad Mughaniya…you say he want a majliss shoura mamber…what was he then? a simple foot soldier? enlighten us please…

• 108. Fuziyad | January 28th, 2009 at 10:58 am

  Many well informed people believed, before his assasination that Imad Mughniyeh was amin 3am HA, his funerals and all the propaganda about his death suggested that he might have been or at least that he was among the top ranking, thus in majless el shoura.

  What is funny is that probably 95% of aounies had no idea who was mughniyeh before his death, tells a great deal about how much the aounies know their allies…Even worse most HA people didn’t even know who was mughniyeh when he got killed, I was in beirut on that day and was planning to go in a group to the south when I learnt moughniyeh was killed I suggested we cancelled the trip and realised that neither the shiia driver neither his mukhabarti friends that he called to check knew who was Imad…

• 109. ja3far | January 28th, 2009 at 11:46 am

  i dont know why it is even worse ? there are hundreds of very active high calibre peopole in HA who are working behind the scene and you can see them as normal people walking on manara drinking coffe .. that is what is so special in HA … people are not working for fame , but working for WHAT THEY BELIEVE GOOD FOR THEIR PEOPLE( pls. spare me your idea about syria and iran and what u think of them ..)
  of course people LIKE U will not understnad that …
  and after his death, many people recognised the picture of Hajj radwan

• 110. othello | January 28th, 2009 at 12:11 pm

  Ja3far

  I totally agree with the words in caps: WHAT THEY BELIEVE GOOD FOR THEIR PEOPLE

  good is a relative concept…and its THEIR people they are working for before working for all of us…

  what is it that you think I do not understand???

  the need for anonymity? not true…

  regarding the recognition of Haj Radwan I remember an anecdote of an AUB doctor who was rushing to find a different home after the death….turns out the guy was living in the same building as Mughaniya and recognized the pics…ma ken 3arfo mino hehehehe

  but my initial question was to doccc who kept insisiting that mughania was not majliss shoura as if he wanted to kinda alleviate the size of the blow on HA…fa I was curious thats all…

• 111. ja3far | January 28th, 2009 at 12:36 pm

  othello.. i was replying on the even worse of fuziad…
  what is good for us is good for u if we are able to find a mutual ground.. when we go into the election based on an election that do show the other sect and religion look as the enemy, as will be diab program, of course it will not work… and the conflict will be every other year … sad country

• 112. nora | February 19th, 2009 at 4:49 am

  walaw ya othello… bislemit fehmak… ma houwe GOD on earth…
  M A S K H A R A … kommit l M A S K H A R A

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