you got it wrong. MUSLIMS got rid of christians in iraq and sudan, not america. and in the case of sudan, they murdered more than one million since the late 80s. man, some of you guvs are dhimmis to the core. look at iraq today. they kill and kick out christians in mosul, and in response American forces JUMP on them in mosul and kill the leader of al-qaeda in northern iraq, who was #1 in the north and #2 all over iraq.

with regard to lebanon, you think the MoU you signed with hezbollah (read: sucking up to ha.) is protecting the christians from all these (fictional) american/israeli conspiracies, but in reality all it’s doing is giving legitimacy to hezbollah’s weapons which just a few years ago general aoun and all his aounis (probably including you) were condemning daily.

you raise the name of bachir gemayel, but we are ALL familiar with what bachir gemayel said about being DHIMMIS, and ALL what he said applies to how you guys are sucking up to ha.! bach got it right, and NEVERMIND how hezbollah to this day calls him a zionist when they mention his name on the al-manar website… your friends, after all.

believe me, all american politicians i am familiar with recognize that how we handled lebanon and syria (and iraq/iran) in the 80s was a mistake… what more can i say? we are not in the business of repeating mistakes… we did enough of repeating mistakes, and believe it or not we’ve actually learned from them.

the Americans are not stupid to put the benefits of others above their benefits.. and this is normal..

When the American gave Lebanon to Syria in 1990 they had a deal with Syria… they didn’t care about democracy in Lebanon…

what I was discussing is this idea.. the American don’t care about the good well and the happiness of the people in the area if it is against their interest… at a certain stage the American were pushing for religion tension in iraque and I gave the example of the video as a proof.. it increased the hatred of the sunnies around the arab world against the shias… we both know that it wasn’t al sader who executed sadam …we both know why the shrines of the two shia imams were destroyed in sameraa …. All these were accidents made to make the situation explode between the two sects…

The idea behind the example in Kuwait was made following the same contest.. that the American are not looking for the democracy and the benefit of the people if it is against their interest.. Kuwait is following the normal development made by other countries in the region like bahrain… but that is 16 years after the liberation of kuwait…at that time , the interest of the states was with the kuwaiti royal family.. the same way it is now with the Saudi royal family

Any way.. the issue is not the american looking for their interest or not.. which will make them stupid if they don’t.. it is about some naïve people who think the American will drop their strategic plans and benefits for the sake of these people who like to drink coca cola…

salam

11 تشرين الأول 2008
تشهد مدينة الموصل موجة فرار جماعي للعوائل المسيحية من المدينة باتجاه الاطراف بعد تصاعد عمليات القتل والاستهداف التي طالتهم خلال الايام القليلة الماضية من الجماعات الارهابيّة المسلحة. فقد ارتفع عدد العوائل المسيحية الهاربة من الموصل خلال الايام الثلاثة الماضية الى 150 عائلة بعد فرار 40 عائلة يوم امس الى قضاء الحمدانية. ورأى رئيس المؤتمر الشعبي الكلداني سامي المالح ان العوائل المسيحية تتلقى تهديدات يومية وبيانات توزع في الأزقة والشوارع التي يقيمون فيها تطالبهم بترك المدينة. واشار الى أنه لا يعرف الجهة التي توزع هذه البيانات وطالب السلطات المحلية والحكومة بكشف المجرمين.
يذكر ان عوائل مسيحية بدأت الاسبوع الماضي بالفرار من الموصل الى المدن المسيحية الواقعة على تخوم المحافظة بموازاة الحدود الادارية مع اربيل ودهوك مثل القوش وباطنيا وتلسقف وبرطلة الى الحمدانية المعروفة بقرة قوش بعد تسجيل حالات مثل استهداف عمال وصيادلة مسيحيين في انحاء مختلفة من الموصل.
وتعيش هذه العوائل ظروفًا حياتية مزرية حيث اتخذت من بعض المدارس والأبنية المهجورة مأوي لها مفتقدة الى أدنى الخدمات الصحية والمعيشية.
وفي تطور آخر اعلن في الموصل تأسيس تنظيم جديد يطلق على نفسه “التجمع الوطني لمسيحيي الموصل” واستنكر البيان رقم 3 للتجمع “المحاولات الانفصالية التي يتبناها مسيحيو الاطراف”. وطالب البيان الذي حمل توقيع عادل ابراهيم يعقوب بالامان والحماية من الجماعات التي تتعرض للوجود والممتلكات المسيحية في المحافظة.
وكشفت مصادر عراقية ان مئات المسيحيين في الموصل قد اغلقوا متاجرهم وتركوا وظائفهم وغادروا المدينة تحسبا من التعرض للاغتيال او الخطف بعد اغتيال خمسة منهم خلال الايام الماضية. وتعد القوات المرتبطة بالحزبين الكرديين المرابطة في المدينة هي الاقوي.
تجدر الاشارة الى أن سينودس أساقفة طائفة السريان الكاثوليك وجّه من دير الشرفة في درعون- حريصا، نداء لذوي الارادة الصالحة بالعمل الحثيث لوقف اعمال العنف والقتل والخطف والتهديد والتهجير التي تطول المواطنين الآمنين.

for example, when we first helped bring saddam to power decades ago, we were wrong at the time to believe the arabs and the muslims weren’t ready for democracy, and therefore that dealing with him was a nuisance but better than dealing with khomeinists who might come to power if there were free elections… our foreign policy then was not what it is today… on the other hand, we were clear about our reason then, just as we are clear today about the reversal in our foreign policy and our desire to see democracies rise up and flourish in the middle east.

your example of returning the kuwaiti royal family to power is a poor one. democracy in kuwait is doing just fine… women are now voting and running in the elections, court cases are being won every year expanding the rights of foreign workers and religious minorities, the secular movement is gaining strength (e.g., ibtihal al-khatib)… sure islamist movements are gaining strength, but so is the movement that supports the separation of the government from the religion, the expansion of rights, equality between men and women, equal rights for christians and shia and other religious minorities… the kuwaiti youth are some of the most forward-thinking arabs in the middle east, including those who are religious.

and yes, i’m well aware that eid al-adha fell on one day for the shia and the next day for the sunni, and that saddam was executed on the sunni day. and i saw the video, like you and everyone else. who cares that they were al-sadr’s guys. as i said before, “throwing a bone to the 80% who are shia and who were oppressed under saddam and then working to reincorporate the less than 20% who are sunni back into the political process is a lot better than appeasing the 20% and losing the 80 to the likes of jaysh almahdi, the badr organization, etc. you have to see things in terms of their consequences. america is a modern state, which plays by the rules of a modern state, which are all about interests… now maybe that’s something the fine folks in da7iyeh don’t understand, but thank god the iraqis are actually starting to get it…”

now do you get it, or should i consider you in the same class as those fine folks in da7iyeh i mentioned?

ok i believe the american practice that in their country but their international policy is anything but that,,,

why did they return the kuwaity royal family to the throne when they withdraw sadam from iraque?

did you forgot that they killed sadam the day of one of the muslims holiest days and spread a video all over the world showing someone similar to al sader doing the execution and having shia celebrating? was such an action for the benefit on the good will of the iraquis or to increase secterian tensions?

i was happy the day the american came in iraque… i was so stupid to believe their BS. i hoped they will do to the area what they did in europe after WW2… but as reality prevealed i became just another one of those people who all togather made Bush the most hated man in the world…