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• 1. Tony | October 8th, 2008 at 10:20 pm

  ma sar fi masi7ieh iraqieh bi lebnen aktar ma fi masi7ieh iraqieh bi iraq!

• 2. ja3far | October 8th, 2008 at 10:26 pm

  when few weaks ago i wrote about the nymber of christians in iraque falling from millions of little hundreds after the american occupation… i heard all type of stupid comments…

  salam

• 3. Rodge | October 9th, 2008 at 12:13 am

  Most of the Christian Iraqis are now in Syria.
  They are living well there, since they have the money, but the Syrian Citizens (Christians among them) are annoyed by their presence, since they contributed in raising the life standards and of course all the prices, mainly Homes, food and other necessary materials, were raised.

  Of course those Christian Iraqis were left without any rights or protection, and no one cares about them, especially after the last law of regional elections approved lately by the parliament, did not give any rights to minorities, among them Christians.

• 4. Rodge | October 9th, 2008 at 12:17 am

  It seems 2 American journalists were gone missing in Lebanon.

  From Reuters news agency:

  قالت السفارة الامريكية في لبنان يوم الاربعاء ان مواطنين أمريكيين يزوران البلاد قد فقدا ووجهت نداء من أجل معلومات عن مصيرهما.
  وأضافت السفارة في موقعها على الانترنت ان الامريكيين اللذين يعتقد أنهما صحفيان انقطعت أخبارهما منذ أول أكتوبر تشرين الاول حينما تركا بيروت متوجهين الى جبيل ومدينة طرابلس في شمال البلاد.
  والمفقودان هما هولي تشميلا (27 عاما) وتيلور لاك (23 عاما). وقالت السفارة انهما أبلغا صديقا في أول أكتوبر تشرين الاول انهما سيسافران من بيروت الى طرابلس في ذلك اليوم. وكانا يعتزمان عبور الحدود برا الى سوريا قبل العودة للاردن.
  ووصل الاثنان لبيروت في 29 سبتمبر أيلول من عمان في عطلة في لبنان وكان من المقرر عودتهما لعملهما في الاردن في الرابع من أكتوبر تشرين الاول.
  وقالت السفارة انها تعمل مع قوات الامن الداخلي في لبنان في التحقيقات وتنسق مع السفارتين الامريكيتين في دمشق وعمان ومع الخارجية الامريكية.
  وقال مصدر أمني لبنان ان الامن العام يحقق في ما اذا كان الاثنان قد غادرا الاراضي اللبنانية.
  ونسبت صحيفة الاخبار الى مصدر أمني قوله ان الاثنين كانا صحفيان يعملان لدى صحيفة جوردان تايمز التي تصدر بالانجليزية في الاردن.

• 5. Only a reader | October 9th, 2008 at 2:56 am

  I remember few months ago when Doc1559 compared the lebanese christians to the iraqi ones. I thought he was wrong but now i know what he meant back then. America will sell the Christians for a penny on the dollar and this is what has been happening for the past few weeks. May god help us if OBAMA get elected.

• 6. cartman | October 9th, 2008 at 4:53 am

  welcome to the new old ages ladies and gentlemen.
  enno what else are you expecting?
  if you put together an American capitalist greed with a bunch of stupid, illiterate, self serving iraqi/arab politicians running iraq and add to the recipe shwayet mot3isbeen fanatics yalli mitel some on this blog, ma adreen yshofo edemon min el ta3asob, ya 3ein minna tabkha.
  eh mish bas ma ra7 yib2a Christians bil iraq, wlak ma ra7 yib2a green tree standing for a kid to play under, well there won’t be any kids left either so never mind.
  the point is we should watch all this and learn, learn that we only have one another and no one else just us lebanese… and every time there is a talk about reconciliation between any body ya khayi, let’s encourage it.

• 7. Michele | October 9th, 2008 at 7:13 am

  “A female suicide bomber also blew herself up ” would she get 72 virgins too

  As i know this is how they motivate the terrorists to blow themselves!!!!!

  Oh Cartman: “wlak ma ra7 yib2a green tree standing for a kid to play under, well there won’t be any kids left either so never mind.”

  Sniff, sniff, that was soooo beautiful.

• 8. Rodge | October 9th, 2008 at 9:58 am

  Cartman,

  U’re right in what you said, but in return ur friends Hassouna and Aounallah will not leave any Christians or trees or kids in Lebanon too.

  I don’t know why in every subject raised here,
  you always try to involve the people who contradict you.

  Our friend N10452 was talking about what happening to the Cristians in Iraq, and although I agree with what you said about the American capitalist and some Arab Politicians, in return i don’t understand why you have involved “”shwayet mot3isbeen fanatics yalli mitel some on this blog, ma adreen yshofo edemon min el ta3asob”".

• 9. paul | October 9th, 2008 at 10:12 am

  haha,good one michele,what can get a gay suicide bomber?

• 10. Patrick | October 9th, 2008 at 10:17 am

  if you’re against what we’re doing in iraq it’s because you’re a pussy. the killers in iraq are not the americans. it’s al-qaeda, it’s muqtada as-sadr. etc.

  …long live iyad jamal al-din…

• 11. mo | October 9th, 2008 at 11:26 am

  they lived like kings under saddam

• 12. paul | October 9th, 2008 at 12:12 pm

  iyad jamal al-din…???

• 13. Fuziyad | October 9th, 2008 at 12:14 pm

  Ja3far I didn’t get your point, is it the americans who are killing the christians in iraq??gharib enta…to my knowledge it’s the shiia death squads that started it as the christians were close from the regime then al qaeda(you and them are in the same political camp despite some religious disagreements) followed the same path…

• 14. fad14 | October 9th, 2008 at 1:00 pm

  Fuziyad:
  Wait till he blames it on LF or Saniora or Saudi Arabia.

  Just ask him why there are so many so so so many Christians in Iran ?

• 15. Rami | October 9th, 2008 at 7:04 pm

  Fuzyad ne soit pas de mauvaise foi, we all know that if the americans protected the christians they wouldn’t have left Iraq..USA dont care about christians in iraq, the main blame falls on the americans not for killing them of course but for not protecting them

• 16. ja3far | October 9th, 2008 at 7:26 pm

  Fuziad … the discussion was not who is killing the cristians.. it was what happened to them when american came.. i.e . not to put your hopes with the americans…
  regarding the dead squads.. the shias will not blow themselves in the middle of civilians, whatever religion they are.. that is al quaeda tactics…

  i want you to take into consideration one issue ( please guys am discussion this point with fuziad and some others who think… save your stupid comment for yourself)which is sara3e al hadarat…

  the east is presented in the west midea as the evil muslim place with the poor israel in the middle.. in reality there is the expection of lebanon and israel and few minorities… israel will always try to remove the cristians from these places to be always presented to the west as the only poor in the middle of the evil… ( try to read about sira3 al hadarat,, and foukoyama )

  why do you think kissenger pushed for the idea of removing the cristians from lebanon? that is one of the reasons lebanon is so special to us… and we will never work to make it an islamic republic as so many here seiously accuse us…

  salam,

• 17. Cartman | October 9th, 2008 at 8:26 pm

  Rodeg,
  i have to disagree with you on the “mot3osbeen”
  take for example Fuziyad, he knows very well that christians shia’a and sunnis been living along each other in irag for 1500 years, and only when the invasion happens all the horrible stuff started, and he knows that the americans need an excuse to stay in iraq so they always create and recruit stoneheads to do the dirty work, byejeek Mr fuziyad we bye2liba ta2efeh eno leik ya khayi el shia’a are killing the christians.
  fad14
  why don’t you tell us why there are no christians in iran? what you know about it? were they killed??

  wlak the point we are here is to get closer to each other and debate issues with facts…and reach a middleground.
  Rodge
  you said ”
  U’re right in what you said, but in return ur friends Hassouna and Aounallah will not leave any Christians or trees or kids in Lebanon too”
  rodge you are smarter than that, you know situation in lebanon is way different, there are facts man…
  christians in lebanon are doing very very very well, w ma 7ada byed2aron, they enjoy a great political and social power and it’ll be like this for ever…it’s in no way compared to iraq or any other place.
  and u cann’t deny that oun does have a wide christian base if not the biggest.
  again please every body let’s not create talk that increase the division and add oil on fire.
  supposedly you are the educated crowd here so lets act like it
  salam.

• 18. ja3far | October 9th, 2008 at 10:13 pm

  khaye cartman…tawel bilak:)
  this is lebanon… some people think, some people dont…some people know, others are missguided.. many dont want to bother and know… you know:” somun bokmun fa houm la yafkahoun”

  many people here will hate you whatever you do… they cant understand that there are people who are different… they start the argument with the idea that they are right and every body else is either stupid or brainwashed … they wouldnt even think..

  on the other hand you will find others who are open to discussion and will meet you in the middle… these will attract u to stay..

  fa la twaje3e albak calling every body to join you in the middle… give your opinion and allah yeaweek…but dont hope a lot..

  salam

• 19. Patrick | October 9th, 2008 at 10:29 pm

  Rami,

  when America’s influence on the Iraqi political process was at its peak, we ensured there was a parliamentary and cabinet quota reserved for Christians. this nolonger exists, but only because it is a free democracy now… this is something the political parties must fight for (there are many sunni and shia who believe in keeping the quota for the sake of their christian brothers), and godwilling they will have it again in the coming years.

  now it is only natural that the iraqi christians would be upset that we didn’t do more to protect them… but please realize that if we protected them especially, then they would face many more times the persecution they have faced over the last few years. therefore not treating them as a special protected class is actually out of concern for them, not neglect. it pains christians here to read about iraqi christians killed or kidnapped or persecuted in other ways. and our government knows our concern.

  additionally, america has welcomed thousands of iraqi christians, and behind the scenes guaranteed the entry of many more thousands into jordan and syria.

  other steps have also been taken. we guaranteed the creation of the nineveh plains administrative district, and you are welcome to read about the many, tremendous benefits this provides them as well.

  there are a number of other things i could mention, but i’ll end with the fact that we have guaranteed kurdish protection of christians in and near kurdistan, which the peshmerga have done with full devotion, and more recently, the kurdish have finally agreed to arm the christians in the north (again, america cannot give arms directly, or it looks bad for the christians).

  also, every time a priest or other christian leader was kidnapped or killed, you have to know that we either pushed as hard as we could behind the scenes to work for their release, or we kicked the living shit out of the local militia in the months after.

  also, i’m sure we are funding secularists (including religious clerics who believe in a secular state) to the tune of millions, which is the only guarantee of long-term freedom for the christians, or for any iraqi for that matter, he same as iran is funding the nasrallah copycats.

  in short, we are doing our best. anyone who thinks they could do better in iraq when ALL neighboring states are working against success, and when half the population of iraq still clings to baaaaaacckkkkwwwwwaaaaarrrrdsss arab culture, i’d like to see you try.

• 20. Patrick | October 9th, 2008 at 10:36 pm

  Cartman… who said sunni and shia got along in iraq for 1500 years, read the fucking history, man… hussein… the caliphs… hajjaj… saddam and the khomeinists…

• 21. ja3far | October 9th, 2008 at 11:38 pm

  patrick… u made me believe/ god bless america..
  are u sewrious ? everybody knows that during the last years the american were working on increasing the tension between the different groups to keep them divided in a way they will keep them running for her support against each others ..( rememberthevideo of sadam execution?) this way will keep them dominant.. it is called farek tassoud here …

  the only way to save the chrisitians ,who were in iraque long before muslims, is by giving them back there country…america may stay couple of years in iraque.. but they will defenitly leave at the end.. your policy will end up the existance of al the cristians in the east before you go… save us your non sense

• 22. Patrick | October 10th, 2008 at 12:10 am

  i replied, where did my reply go…

• 23. Patrick | October 10th, 2008 at 12:17 am

  ok, i don’t have time to retype everything, but, in short:

  throwing a bone to the 80% who are shia and who were oppressed under saddam and then working to reincorporate the less than 20% who are sunni back into the political process is a lot better than appeasing the 20% and losing the 80 to the likes of jaysh almahdi, the badr organization, etc. you have to see things in terms of their consequences. america is a modern state, which plays by the rules of a modern state, which are all about interests… now maybe that’s something thine folks in da7iyeh don’t understand, but thank god the iraqis are actually starting to get it… the goal is a stable democracy which respects freedom of religion, freedom of conscience, freedom of speech, freedom of expression, etc. that might sound like a joke on deaf ears, but it’s what we believe in til death.

• 24. Patrick | October 10th, 2008 at 12:18 am

  the fine* folks in da7iyeh

• 25. Cartman | October 10th, 2008 at 8:36 pm

  Patrick,
  shi wa7ad american freedom hamburger with grilled onions w medium human rights american style shake with a cherry on top please, all to go.

• 26. ja3far | October 11th, 2008 at 12:00 am

  ino patrick…saying you are an angel dont make you one… if the americans use the democratic and freedom as titles, doesnt mean they really want other to practice that ..

  ok i believe the american practice that in their country but their international policy is anything but that,,,

  why did they return the kuwaity royal family to the throne when they withdraw sadam from iraque?

  did you forgot that they killed sadam the day of one of the muslims holiest days and spread a video all over the world showing someone similar to al sader doing the execution and having shia celebrating? was such an action for the benefit on the good will of the iraquis or to increase secterian tensions?

  i was happy the day the american came in iraque… i was so stupid to believe their BS. i hoped they will do to the area what they did in europe after WW2… but as reality prevealed i became just another one of those people who all togather made Bush the most hated man in the world…

• 27. Patrick | October 11th, 2008 at 7:05 am

  ja3far… never said we’re angels, and i never said our foreign policy has always been what it is now. but we *have* always been clear about our reasons.

  for example, when we first helped bring saddam to power decades ago, we were wrong at the time to believe the arabs and the muslims weren’t ready for democracy, and therefore that dealing with him was a nuisance but better than dealing with khomeinists who might come to power if there were free elections… our foreign policy then was not what it is today… on the other hand, we were clear about our reason then, just as we are clear today about the reversal in our foreign policy and our desire to see democracies rise up and flourish in the middle east.

  your example of returning the kuwaiti royal family to power is a poor one. democracy in kuwait is doing just fine… women are now voting and running in the elections, court cases are being won every year expanding the rights of foreign workers and religious minorities, the secular movement is gaining strength (e.g., ibtihal al-khatib)… sure islamist movements are gaining strength, but so is the movement that supports the separation of the government from the religion, the expansion of rights, equality between men and women, equal rights for christians and shia and other religious minorities… the kuwaiti youth are some of the most forward-thinking arabs in the middle east, including those who are religious.

  and yes, i’m well aware that eid al-adha fell on one day for the shia and the next day for the sunni, and that saddam was executed on the sunni day. and i saw the video, like you and everyone else. who cares that they were al-sadr’s guys. as i said before, “throwing a bone to the 80% who are shia and who were oppressed under saddam and then working to reincorporate the less than 20% who are sunni back into the political process is a lot better than appeasing the 20% and losing the 80 to the likes of jaysh almahdi, the badr organization, etc. you have to see things in terms of their consequences. america is a modern state, which plays by the rules of a modern state, which are all about interests… now maybe that’s something the fine folks in da7iyeh don’t understand, but thank god the iraqis are actually starting to get it…”

  now do you get it, or should i consider you in the same class as those fine folks in da7iyeh i mentioned?

• 28. rambo | October 11th, 2008 at 2:24 pm

  فرار جماعي لمسيحيي “الموصل” في العراق بعد تهديدات بالابادة

  11 تشرين الأول 2008
  تشهد مدينة الموصل موجة فرار جماعي للعوائل المسيحية من المدينة باتجاه الاطراف بعد تصاعد عمليات القتل والاستهداف التي طالتهم خلال الايام القليلة الماضية من الجماعات الارهابيّة المسلحة. فقد ارتفع عدد العوائل المسيحية الهاربة من الموصل خلال الايام الثلاثة الماضية الى 150 عائلة بعد فرار 40 عائلة يوم امس الى قضاء الحمدانية. ورأى رئيس المؤتمر الشعبي الكلداني سامي المالح ان العوائل المسيحية تتلقى تهديدات يومية وبيانات توزع في الأزقة والشوارع التي يقيمون فيها تطالبهم بترك المدينة. واشار الى أنه لا يعرف الجهة التي توزع هذه البيانات وطالب السلطات المحلية والحكومة بكشف المجرمين.
  يذكر ان عوائل مسيحية بدأت الاسبوع الماضي بالفرار من الموصل الى المدن المسيحية الواقعة على تخوم المحافظة بموازاة الحدود الادارية مع اربيل ودهوك مثل القوش وباطنيا وتلسقف وبرطلة الى الحمدانية المعروفة بقرة قوش بعد تسجيل حالات مثل استهداف عمال وصيادلة مسيحيين في انحاء مختلفة من الموصل.
  وتعيش هذه العوائل ظروفًا حياتية مزرية حيث اتخذت من بعض المدارس والأبنية المهجورة مأوي لها مفتقدة الى أدنى الخدمات الصحية والمعيشية.
  وفي تطور آخر اعلن في الموصل تأسيس تنظيم جديد يطلق على نفسه “التجمع الوطني لمسيحيي الموصل” واستنكر البيان رقم 3 للتجمع “المحاولات الانفصالية التي يتبناها مسيحيو الاطراف”. وطالب البيان الذي حمل توقيع عادل ابراهيم يعقوب بالامان والحماية من الجماعات التي تتعرض للوجود والممتلكات المسيحية في المحافظة.
  وكشفت مصادر عراقية ان مئات المسيحيين في الموصل قد اغلقوا متاجرهم وتركوا وظائفهم وغادروا المدينة تحسبا من التعرض للاغتيال او الخطف بعد اغتيال خمسة منهم خلال الايام الماضية. وتعد القوات المرتبطة بالحزبين الكرديين المرابطة في المدينة هي الاقوي.
  تجدر الاشارة الى أن سينودس أساقفة طائفة السريان الكاثوليك وجّه من دير الشرفة في درعون- حريصا، نداء لذوي الارادة الصالحة بالعمل الحثيث لوقف اعمال العنف والقتل والخطف والتهديد والتهجير التي تطول المواطنين الآمنين.

• 29. ja3far | October 11th, 2008 at 6:15 pm

  Patrick… i know you dont claim to be an angel..i was using a figure of speach I understand very well that the USA is a modern country with interests … and this is normal otherwise how did it become the leader country in the world? Example: It is clear that when there is some tension between the states in iran the number of casualties among the American soldiers in iraque rise high and some Iranians revolutionary guards die in plane carsh or for a reason or another.. while during other days when the relation is good things are calm like these days… am sure we both understand each other…

  the Americans are not stupid to put the benefits of others above their benefits.. and this is normal..

  When the American gave Lebanon to Syria in 1990 they had a deal with Syria… they didn’t care about democracy in Lebanon…

  what I was discussing is this idea.. the American don’t care about the good well and the happiness of the people in the area if it is against their interest… at a certain stage the American were pushing for religion tension in iraque and I gave the example of the video as a proof.. it increased the hatred of the sunnies around the arab world against the shias… we both know that it wasn’t al sader who executed sadam …we both know why the shrines of the two shia imams were destroyed in sameraa …. All these were accidents made to make the situation explode between the two sects…

  The idea behind the example in Kuwait was made following the same contest.. that the American are not looking for the democracy and the benefit of the people if it is against their interest.. Kuwait is following the normal development made by other countries in the region like bahrain… but that is 16 years after the liberation of kuwait…at that time , the interest of the states was with the kuwaiti royal family.. the same way it is now with the Saudi royal family

  Any way.. the issue is not the american looking for their interest or not.. which will make them stupid if they don’t.. it is about some naïve people who think the American will drop their strategic plans and benefits for the sake of these people who like to drink coca cola…

  salam

• 30. Patrick | October 12th, 2008 at 4:51 am

  i don’t know how many times i have to repeat myself… not only do we deal according to interests, but we have also shifted our foreign policy in order (now) to truly support democracy in the middle east and not turn our back on our allies there… even if you will not accept that we have had a change of heart, then least accept that we believe that this change in foreign policy is in our own long term best interest, even if it will have short term negative consequences. maybe this explanation is better, i don’t know. you have to know that we truly are working for democracy and freedoms and stability in iraq (for example), even if not for the iraqis, then for our own long term security, because freedoms and democracy will not stop with iraq but will spread to its neighbors… and when the people who push for these freedoms finally succeed in securing those freedoms (and not in securing elections only), then it will not be long before we will see a comparable shift in middle eastern foreign policy towards the west.

  believe me, all american politicians i am familiar with recognize that how we handled lebanon and syria (and iraq/iran) in the 80s was a mistake… what more can i say? we are not in the business of repeating mistakes… we did enough of repeating mistakes, and believe it or not we’ve actually learned from them.

• 31. asaad | October 15th, 2008 at 10:51 am

  america got rid of the christians in iraq and in souden . now she is tryng to get rid of christians in lebanon but she failed cause
  there is a man named michel aoun he wont let her .she tried in arb tamouz by letting
  the shiiaa and christians to collapse to each other and in 2ahdass 7 2ayar she was hoping that shiia will attack the christian
  villages but they didn’t because of the wa2et tafehom ma3 ha.bil sab3inet amerca
  da3amet alfolostinieh ta titkhalas min
  almasihieh bi lubnan bas fishlit la2an ken fee bashir algemayel ou lyoum ma3am feeya la2an fee michel aoun

• 32. Patrick | October 16th, 2008 at 4:17 am

  asaad,

  you got it wrong. MUSLIMS got rid of christians in iraq and sudan, not america. and in the case of sudan, they murdered more than one million since the late 80s. man, some of you guvs are dhimmis to the core. look at iraq today. they kill and kick out christians in mosul, and in response American forces JUMP on them in mosul and kill the leader of al-qaeda in northern iraq, who was #1 in the north and #2 all over iraq.

  with regard to lebanon, you think the MoU you signed with hezbollah (read: sucking up to ha.) is protecting the christians from all these (fictional) american/israeli conspiracies, but in reality all it’s doing is giving legitimacy to hezbollah’s weapons which just a few years ago general aoun and all his aounis (probably including you) were condemning daily.

  you raise the name of bachir gemayel, but we are ALL familiar with what bachir gemayel said about being DHIMMIS, and ALL what he said applies to how you guys are sucking up to ha.! bach got it right, and NEVERMIND how hezbollah to this day calls him a zionist when they mention his name on the al-manar website… your friends, after all.

• 33. asaad | October 17th, 2008 at 11:55 am

  patrick
  why dont oyu see what your friend gomblut
  says ab out bachir. IF you here him Idont think you will like him anymore

• 34. asaad | October 17th, 2008 at 11:57 am

  patrick
  Why dont you see what your friend gomblut
  says about bachir. IF you here him I dont think you will like him anymore

• 35. Patrick | October 21st, 2008 at 12:46 am

  true. the difference is, march 14 christians don’t have to suck up to jumblatt and compromise our principles in order to get his support. he is content just to keeps his seats in the chouf. let him run his mouth all day if he wants, he is not driving christians out of lebanon with pointless wars and takeovers of the capital, to say nothing of the effect of those things on lebanon as a state.

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