I see no future for the Christians in Iraq .. unfortunatelly !
What a horrible crime ! what a disgrace !
Chaldean Catholic archbishop kidnapped in Iraq last month has been found dead, Italian bishops’ conference news agency says.
Gunmen kidnapped the Chaldean Catholic archbishop of Mosul on Friday, February 29 2008 in the northern Iraqi city and killed his driver and two guards.
Chaldeans belong to a branch of the Roman Catholic Church that practices an ancient Eastern rite. Most of its members are in Iraq and Syria, and they form the biggest Christian community in Iraq. [Read More]
Habib Afram condems the assassation
صدر عن الدائرة الإعلامية في القوات اللبنانية البيان الآتي: فجع اللبنانيون والعرب والكنيسة والإنسانية بخبر اغتيال رئيس أساقفة الموصل للكلدان المثلث الرحمات المطران بولس فرج رحو في جريمة إرهابية جديدة تصيب شرقنا المعذب.
إن اغتيال سيادة المطران رحو في زمن الآلام المقدس هو مرحلة من مراحل درب الصليب الذي يسير عليه أبناء هذا الشرق في مواجهتهم مع الإرهاب والإرهابيين، وفي نضالهم لنشر ثقافة المحبة والتسامح التي حملها السيد المسيح انطلاقا من الأرض التي اختارها الله ليولد عليها ابنه ويعيش فيها وينشر رسالته انطلاقا منها.
إن القوات اللبنانية التي آلمها استشهاد رسول المحبة وبشير ثقافة التعايش سيادة المطران بولس فرج رحو تؤمن كما كل المسيحيين بأن نهاية درب الآلام قيامة لا بد آتية. وكما غلب السيد المسيح الموت بالموت، هكذا سيتغلب شرقنا على كل محاولات تغيير هويته الإنسانية والثقافية والحضارية، وتشويه صورته.
إن القوات اللبنانية تتقدم بأحر التعازي من الطائفة الكلدانية الكريمة خصوصا، ومن كل المسيحيين، وتتمنى للعراق المعذب الخلاص القريب ولأهله الثبات على إيمانهم لمواجهة الصعوبات.
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1. Rodge | March 13th, 2008 at 11:35 pm
R.I.P. Archbishop Rahho, another good man is lost to violence
2. a5watz | March 14th, 2008 at 12:56 am
Allah yer7am.
3. kezballah | March 14th, 2008 at 1:10 am
Where are those stupid people who accuse LFers of being fanatic Christians and close minded?
They kill us and they complain if we don’t like it!
4. sniper | March 14th, 2008 at 5:39 am
Psalm 23:1-6
The Lord is my shepherd, I shall not want. He makes me lie down in green pastures; He leads me beside quiet waters. He restores my soul; He guides me in the paths of righteousness For His name’s sake. Even though I walk through the valley of the shadow of death, I fear no evil, for You are with me; Your rod and Your staff, they comfort me. You prepare a table before me in the presence of my enemies; You have anointed my head with oil; My cup overflows. Surely goodness and loving kindness will follow me all the days of my life, And I will dwell in the house of the Lord forever.
5. Patrick | March 14th, 2008 at 6:47 am
“Blessed are those who have been persecuted for the sake of righteousness, for theirs is the kingdom of heaven. Blessed are you when (men) revile you, and persecute you, and say all kinds of evil against you falsely, on account of Me. Rejoice, and be glad, for your reward in heaven is great, for so they persecuted the prophets who were before you.” Matthew 5:10-12
6. The Marshall | March 14th, 2008 at 11:03 am
Nice Patrick, #4 …
7. elie | March 14th, 2008 at 1:40 pm
and they feel insulted when we call them barbaric terrorists…..”muslims…you are terrorists”
8. Tarek | March 14th, 2008 at 2:09 pm
This is ugly, very ugly. May he rest in piece.
Elie, guys like you should be found dead on the streets.
9. Tarek | March 14th, 2008 at 2:10 pm
correction: May he rest in Peace*
I always type things just as they sound, without paying attention …
10. ceg | March 14th, 2008 at 3:26 pm
Allah yirhamo ou yirham kil il Masihiyeh ou Islam min Libnen la Iraq.
11. dehak | March 14th, 2008 at 5:38 pm
Hi
These KILLERWS Children of DIABLE are continuing the extermination path of all non muslim since the big invation ..
thery are loW LIVES INSECTs that should be eliminated by chemical gases ………….
and before the bishop u had all types of civilians christians assasinated by these HORDS od SCUM insects under the Flag of ISLAM and its SATANIC verses ……………
woman , kidnapped , violated and assasinated .
man and boys assasinated just for beinf christians …
the question :
is there any justice in this world ..
crime and punishemnt…
and those zombies of islamic conference are WONDERING why world wide nations are AFRAID of MUSLIM and ISLAM ??????????????????’
Long LIVe the CHRISTIAN ARMED RESISTANCE movements
regards
12. Toufic | March 14th, 2008 at 7:39 pm
R.I.P. Archbishop Rahho
13. paul | March 14th, 2008 at 9:31 pm
I am sending you out like sheep among wolves.Therefore be as shrewd as snakes and as innocent as doves”.(Matthew 10:16)
R.I.P.
14. Ali1559 | March 14th, 2008 at 11:55 pm
To : elei, dahek
Suject : Ignorance
Once people open their eyes and remove their prejudice, they will realize that Muslims share many beliefs with other faiths. They will also realize that the number of terrorists who claim they are Muslim are very few in number. How many “Christian terrorists” are there? Using the ill-advised rationale of YOU DEHAK , I can claim that the following people are Christian terrorists: Seung-Hui Cho (Virginia Tech shooter), Timothy McVeigh, David Quresh (Jesus incarnate as he claimed), the perpetrators of Columbine, etc.. So why are they not considered terrorists? Because they are not Muslims. If the media called them terrorists, it would show people that religion is not the root cause of terrorism, it is committed for some political purpose or those committing the acts (like Bin Laden or Cho) have some extreme religious beliefs which do not represent their respective faiths.
I could go on and on to prove the false claims of you guys .Conservatives want to start a war which doesn’t exist. They want to turn back the clock and fight in the name of Christianity when there is no fight. Let’s face it, conservatism means intolerance. I would have much more respect for them if they just came out with the truth, just say it.. Come on… it’s prejudice. You can’t stand the sight of a Muslim being successful. You can’t stand the sight of a woman in hijab having a high position in the workplace? Well guess what,your America does not have an official religion. Didn’t the pilgrims who massacred the Native Americans leave Europe for religious freedom and to get away from an official government-endorsed religion? You can’t have your cake and eat it too. It’s either one or the other. Either amend the constitution to fit the bible and state this is a Christian country, or say the truth, that people off all faiths make up the fabric of America and the government does not have an official religion. Are there Muslims who are bad? Of course. However, they are a tiny percentage. Just because the media focuses on them and forges your opinion for you, you believe it. The media portrays Muslims as either terrorists, or toothless villagers who need American help. Radicalism is wrong (Christians&Muslims), love others as you love yourself and the planet will prosper.
Will we as lebanese ever regain our moral direction and stand for AL 3YCH AL MUCHTARAK? Radical christians sould be very worried of Gods’ justice.
PS : This is the first time in the last 6 months I feel like I had to open my microsoft word and get serious about something.
Ali M , MD in training , university of michigan medical center.
15. kezballah | March 15th, 2008 at 5:00 am
Ali1559: Your explanation is laughable!
The Moslem terrorists all share the same ideology same goals, example: Eliminate Israel, Kick the infidels out, Spread Islam, ETC… McVeigh and Cho don’t share anything except they are both crazy!
The best thing I want is to see successful Moslems, who don’t think about burning embassies because they are offended by a cartoon. Then we can live in peace!
By the way, today Qatar finally allowed ONE church to be built! We are in 2007 and only ONE churh. And they can’t have a cross in it because the people will be offended, WHY are they offended???
I am tired of all this!
16. saudi | March 15th, 2008 at 7:42 am
aLI
GOOD JOB
17. saudi | March 15th, 2008 at 7:43 am
aLI
GOOD ………
18. Tarek | March 15th, 2008 at 12:14 pm
Kezballah,
I don’t to get into when and where genocides were made against Muslims by Christians. Fanaticism is there in all religions, if you deny that you will be lying to your self.
19. elie | March 15th, 2008 at 1:13 pm
ali and tarek
i will not reply to your comments….just because the assassination of archbishop Rahho is once again a proof of your tolerance.
Tarek….thanks man…for wishing me to be found dead on the street.
again…another proof of your desire of killing those who do not agree with your believes….
20. Tarek | March 15th, 2008 at 1:19 pm
elie, give me a break
21. kezballah | March 15th, 2008 at 2:06 pm
Tarek, I am not denying that fanatism exist in all religions but there is a difference. Can you say the Budhist fanatism in Tibet is like the Jewish fanatism in Israel?
And let’s talk about today man not 500 years ago. Which other religion they kidnap a mufti and kill him?
I don’t want to answer hate with hate but I don’t want to lie to myself too. There is a problem in Islam today and it needs fixing.
22. Tarek | March 15th, 2008 at 2:20 pm
kezballah, the problem which is in some Muslims not in Islam is also in Christians and Jews and many other.
About muftis being kidnapped, just go to Kosovo or middle Asia in Uzbekistan or Tajikistan and you’ll know that kidnapping a Mufti and killing him was an every day routine.
23. Dehak | March 15th, 2008 at 2:22 pm
ZOMBIES…………
to ALI Ali1559 and his alikes …
1- Do not complain about the situation in the USA and how peopele live because it has nothing to do with the subject .
the USA is a NON CONFESSIONAl country ..,means religion has no IMPORTANCE in it …
instead i suggest you talk about the CIVIL rights and freedom that u ( teorically have in USA )
any way i repeat , the USA has nothing to do with the subject ..
2- You MUSLIMS MUST CONFESS your CRIMES against the NATIVES CHRISTIANS of the LAND in this ME that your ANCESTORS HAVE INVADED , KILLED ;EXTERMINBATED and of COURSE RAPED ..
the ideas of AL QAEDA are taken from your KURAN and other satnaic weritting that all MUSLIMS WORSHIP and believe ..
there are not a single sporadic crimes—-but bsaed on RELIGIOUS IDEOLOGY and OBLIGATIONS ..
in brieve it calls for the KILLING of all NOn muslims ….
( why no churches are allowed in SAUDI ARABIa .. because it ii stated that this is the land of islam and only muslims )
the question is : what happened to the churches and christiis that were living in their LAND after islam invations =???
can u give me an answer and not lies ..
i challenge anyone to deny it ..
so your ancestors in continued INVATIONS and KILLING s have exterminated the NATIVES CHRISTIANS OWNERS of the LAND SYSTEMATICALLY on since your pedophile killers of you invented his kuran…
GENOCIDES : it is not surprise to get your answer because the SERIAL killers aLWAYS DENY THE factS AND truth ..
GENOCIDES ..
WHAT ABOUT THE 1915 GENOCIDES AGAINST CHRISTIANS OF east ASIA - TURKEY… AND THE 1960 genocides that extended to lebanon and . where in addition to extermination of whole villages ..girls were taken raped and sold as SEX SLAVES ……………….
DEEP in you every muslim you know that islam gave you the RIGHT and OBLIGATION to kill any non muslim , - it is HALAL - steal his properties / MONEY and rape his daughters ..
i challenge you to deny it ..
going back to genocides ,…the continued genocides against the native of MESOPOTAMIA by KURDS ARABS PERSDIANS ançd TURKS ..1840 - 1610 —-etc
why do not you face the TRUTH ..
WHAT HAPPENED to the NATIVES CHRISTIANS of these occuipied LAND in the ME ….
dehak
24. elie | March 15th, 2008 at 2:50 pm
…..talking about kosovo…tarek and all other guys ….check this…
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VsSswNz7lBU&feature=related
25. kezballah | March 15th, 2008 at 3:03 pm
Tarek, it is easy to blame people and say there is nothing wrong with the Ideology, I am not insulting Islam and saying it is all bad, I am saying there is problems that need fixing like it was fixed in Christianity long time ago, example:
Infidels talk, Islam is the state religion, Violence (Jihad) is OK, Women are second class, ETC…
There is always good and bad people you can not fix this but you can fix the Ideology.
26. Tarek | March 15th, 2008 at 3:32 pm
kezballa, you’re still missing the point here. There are sick muslims just as there are sick christians and sick jews.
So the women are not second class in Christianity? you should know better than that. Women in the history of Christianity were considered carrying the sin of eve and should bare all the consequences in life. For now, why the head of the catholic church is a man not a woman? You talk about Infidels talk and violence where Muslims a dozen years ago were being massacred Bosnia, middle Asia and other places. This did not happen 500 years ago. If you trace history, Christians were pioneers in slaughtering all women men and children during any war … fifty years ago you were burning the Jews and other minorities in Europe.The sick people are every where not only in Islam. Historically speaking, Muslims are still the farthest religion from fanaticism as fanaticism was never adopted not for once by the major Islamic population or any major state of Islam.However fanaticism has been widely adopted by Christians and Jews at many station through history.
I never wanted to go into all of this I justed want to convince you that sick people are every where not only among Muslims but you still want to say that sick people are only in Islam. Seems the media has succeeded in brain washing you.
27. elie | March 15th, 2008 at 4:03 pm
Tarek…I understand you are trying to defend your religion….and i agree…that just a small percentage of lebanese muslims are fanatics….but in general…in all other muslim countries…..the majority are fanatics…
now…you are wrong about comparing between crimes done by christians…and crimes done by muslims….and that’s for a simple reason..
when christians do crimes ..they don’t explain their crimes with verses from the holy bible…..opposit to muslims…who always find some verses from” almushaf al sharif” to justify their crimes.
28. Tarek | March 15th, 2008 at 4:23 pm
Elie, some Christians do take verses from the holy bible when they make their “crusades”. Second elie, the fanatics are extremely minor in Islam, have you gotten to ask people in other countries about their fanaticism? I’ve known many people who have been in many Islamic countries from Morocco to Malaysia, even I was surprised by how much Islam around the world is far from fanaticism. The problem is that you always hear stories about Islamic fanatics from over the world. It takes one crazy fanatic to make a story that can be published all over the world.
29. kezballah | March 15th, 2008 at 4:39 pm
Tarek, you’re twisting my words and diagnosing my brain when what I said is extremely clear and right in front of your eyes.
I told you clearly I AGREE THERE ARE SICK PEOPLE EVERYWHERE. But this does not explain the whole problem with Islamic fanaticism. Am I imagining all the killing and church burning from Malaysia and Indonesia to the Sudan and Nigeria going through Pakistan and Iraq and other?? This is all because there are a few sick Moslems?? If we catch Ibn Ladin and Zawahere it’s all over??
You say Christian fanaticism in Bosnia, this was not done in the name of Christianity, it was not supported by the Christian clerics, the Christians in Greece did not join the Crusade against Bosnia, it was done by the government of Yugoslavia to keep control of Bosnia, it is ethnic war since they kill Christian Croats too. Hitler did not kill in the name of Christ or Vatican, he killed many more Christians than Jews.
Comparing women status in Christianity to Islam is laughable I’m sorry! Because women cannot be pope it is the same as beint covered by the veil and Burka and not allowed to speak to other men and shake hands and being divorced by 3 words ETC…?
Look man you are a good guy I respect your belief and I don’t want to offend you but if you don’t see that some things need improvement in Islamic religion then we can not agree on this topic.
30. Tarek | March 15th, 2008 at 6:14 pm
Kezballa, so christians in bosinia love muslims? Are you saying that what happened in Bosnia is not Christian Fanaticism?
“it was not supported by the Christian clerics, the Christians in Greece did not join the Crusade against Bosnia”
What Islamic scholars society did support any act of fanaticism? The thing that when Christians act fanatically you say the church did not support that, when Muslims act fanatically, it is like all the Islamic societies are behind what happened just because the fanatics threw some words containing “allah” and “islam”.
Hitler’s actions in your opinion are not related to Christian fanaticism?
“because women cannot be pope it is the same as beint covered by the veil and Burka and not allowed to speak to other men and shake hands and being divorced by 3 words ETC”
Woman in islam has the right not be covered by the veil and burka, has the right to speak and shake hands. These stuff are not part of the islam it is a part of the cultural background of some muslims and is always confused with islam. Many non muslims share such traditions in some societies around the world. The only thing that the woman has to do it to cover her hair just as the Nuns do in Christianity who by the way have no right to even get married and as a result don’t have to pass through the divorce thing.
My problem with you that you insist that there is a problem in the Islamic religion. The problem is not in the religion it is in the society. The religion has been here for 1500 years, and fanaticism is just appearing in some societies because there is a problem in the Islamic society not in the religion. Still the Islamic fanaticism was never adopted by any Islamic state nor was it adopted by any scholar societies, though Christian and Jewish fanaticism had been adopted openly through many stages of history. You always speak of Islamic fanaticism, tell me how much muslims fanatics have you met in you whole life compared to non fanatics?
“I don’t want to offend you but if you don’t see that some things need improvement in Islamic religion then we can not agree on this topic.”
Tell me something, how many Christians follow the bible as they should do? You know the percentage, does this tells you that Christianity is wrong or there is some thing wrong in the Christian society. Why when Muslims act outside Islam, you blame the religion and not the society, why is that? There is nothing wrong in the Islamic religion. The wrong thing is in the islamic society and the wrong thing that a tiny percentage, compared to how much christians in the christian society follow their religion as they should, of the society is not following the religion. (which was blown and blown till I almost think the society I’m living in is not an Islamic society since it contains almost no fanatics!). Your insistence that the wrong is in Islam is not acceptable, if it was in the religion which has been there for 1500 years we should have seen such fanatics before. I just came here to say rest in peace for Archbishop Rahho and all I find people screwing islam and muslims. Well whose the fanatic here?
31. kezballah | March 15th, 2008 at 7:18 pm
Tarek, we are very far apart on many basic fundamentals, it will take more than this blog to reach some understanding on some basics.
But let me assure you of these important things:
1…I respect your belief and I don’t want to offend you, I can not promise you better than this it is up to you to believe or not.
2…I only see cursing by Christians on this blog after there is an attack like the killing of this priest or the attack on Achrafieh/Ayn Remaneh ETC…It is always a reaction.
3…According to most history books Hitler’s actions are not religious, he believed Germans were master race and eveyrone else is shit, Christian or not Christian..
4…Serb Christians, Croat Christians and Bosnia Moslems all hate each other, the problem is religion and ethnic BETWEEN THEM. All Europe (majority Christian) helped Bosnia and bombed the Serb and gave Bosnia independance. The Christian churches in ALL THE WORLD did not help Serbia, the Christian people in Europe did not go to fight with the Serbs. So it is not a Christian fanatism like you see thousands of Moslem Algerian Tunisian Morocan Egyptian Syrian ETC… go to fight in Afghanistan against the Soviet army and in Iraq against the US army.
5…Many countries apply fanatic Islam, what do you call the Iran regime? What do you call the Afghanistan Taliban regime? They are Islamic Theocracy very strict, anti-democratic, against anyone who is not Moslem = fanatic
I don’t want to keep going but did we forget 9/11 already? Do we forget Wahhabis in Saudi Arabia? You are right the problem is not only in the religion, and it is not only in the society and it is not only in some crazy people, the problem is in ALL THREE. If you don’t see a problem you never improve.
32. Tarek | March 15th, 2008 at 8:20 pm
You’re still missing the whole point here.
1st, there have been christian fanaticism and there still is christian fanaticism just as Jewish fanaticizm and Islamic fanaticism.
2nd, You’re still insisting that the problem is in the religion when I am telling you that fanatics are acting outside the religion. How is that? When the crusades were made was the problem in the christianity or in the christian society and leadership? When Christians reconquered Spain from muslims they slaughtered all unlike the Andalus state in which chrisians and Jews held high offices in the government. Christianity was wrong and now it’s right? Christianity never changed, it is still the same, the christian society did. You on the other hand don’t apply the thing here, you’re insisting that the problem is within the religion its self when I am telling you these people are acting outside the relogion.
3rd, what’s wrong in fighting occupation? whether in Afghanistan or in Iraq?
4rth. Iran is a fanatic state, taliban was a fanatic state. Are these the major population of Islam? Do they represent the islamic societey? Who follows them? However in christianity we have the crusades which were lead by the head of the church not just isolated sick men. Does this make the problem in the chrisitian religion or in the leaders and society?
5th, What do you know about wahabis? Nothing, except all shitty nonsense.
7th, there are a lot of christians cults who adopted violence during the course of histroy. Is the problem in Christianity or in those people them selves?
8th, you are wasting your time naming incidents and groups which has just been there due to the major problems in the islamic society trying to make the problem in the religion. Why do you insist that the problem is in the religion when I am telling you these guys are acting outside the religion? Why other act of fanaticism whether are not problems in the religion? This is fanaticism by it’s self.
9th,So there is no Islam hatred in Bosnia? Have you been there? Go and ask a serbian what does he thinks about muslims, according yo you he’ll tell you that he loves them except that he hates bosnians.
10th, So christians in Lebanon did not have fanatic attitude activities against muslims? Christian parties in Lebanon all loved muslims and had a great respect for it. During all their wars they did not mention the words christians or muslims, that was only transfered falsely by the media. They did not hate them when they killed them one by one according their religion. They always respected islam, except they had problems with all non - Phoenicians or all who do not follow them. There have always been christian fanatics and still I never cursed christians or christianity, why? Because I am following my religion which forbids me to do so.
33. kezballah | March 15th, 2008 at 9:43 pm
Tarek, I am making my point I am not missing it, we have two differnt points of view:
1…I agree there is fanatism in all religions.
2…You say the fanatics act outside religion, that’s only true if the religion doesn’t give you instructions to act fanatical, but THAT IS NOT THE CASE IN MOST RELIGIONS. In Jewish religion their Torah tells them Israel is their land promised from God, they tell them to fight eye for an eye ETC… In Islamic religion the Koran says many things against Infidels, Jews, Atheist ETC… Is allows many things that are violent like Jihad. In Christian religion the Bible says many things about Adultery and Sinners ETC… All this can be used to do fanatical things so how the problem is not in the religion?? MORE IMPORTANT, in Islam many sheikhs preach violent or racist things that’s why many were kicked out of France back to Algeria, this is all in the news go to Google and do a search in one minute you will see all these problems from the religion. You want to say all this is outside the religion? That’s your point of view not mine, I am not missing the point I don’t believe in it.
3…Nothing wrong with fighting occupation of your own country, but if you go to another country to fight with your religion against infidels from another religion then it is fanatical.
4…Iran and Afghanistan population is almost 100 million people! And there is more countries, Saudi Arabia is the most Islamic country and it is the least tolerant, it doesn’t allow any church on its land, you will be beat up if you drink alcohol because it is forbidden in the Koran ETC…
5…What do I know about Wahhabis? Man every time there is terrorism a Wahhabi group claims responsibility, Saudi government are now catching hundreds of their own people and call them terrorists and throw them in jail. There is a problem, I’m not saying everything is bad I am saying there is a problem it needs to be fixed by you no one else can do it.
6…You forgot 6 you jumped to 7
7…Where do you see Christian cults using verses from the Bible to burn Mosques and kill Muftis??
8…OK last post so no more wasting time, we don’t agree we have two different points of view.
9…You are twisting my words again, I said CLEARLY that all Serbs+Croats+Bosnians hate each other.
10…I am NOT cursing Islam I am telling you I am sick of being killed by Moslem fanatics and you have to fix the problems in your society and in your religion (NO MORE JIHAD, INFIDELS ETC…) The Christians in Lebanon are ALWAYS reacting to attacks from Moslem parties, we have always been in self-defense.
34. Tarek | March 15th, 2008 at 10:47 pm
Kezballa, there are fanatics all over islami sects whether wahabis or not, but some wahabis end up as fanatics just, but this is not always the case.
Man, we got to core of this problem: There is nothing in Kuran that allows you to kill infidels or burn churches or what so ever. You are obliged to fight and kill only in a battle during a war, which is self defense after all. Even more, even if ur killing in a battle, you should not kill out of revenge, hatred or anger, but as a self defense, if u did out of hatred or revenge or anger it’s as good as murder. Moreover Muslims are obliged to have peace with other who shows interest in peace. This is stated literally in the Kuran. Man, sure you can pick one verse and apply it as you wish but you will be fooling yourself. If a man does so, or does act frantically that does not mean that this is what islam is. The problem in the islamic society where there no orientation and good teaching of the Islam, the problem is not in the islam its self. Man you should read more Kuran and less about Kuran.
35. cedar | March 16th, 2008 at 2:43 am
well the warlord bush always drag in the word GOD when hes talking about war
36. Ali1559 | March 16th, 2008 at 7:52 am
Radicals , Go treat yourselves. Im done .
Tarek
Dont even bother bro..
37. DEHAK | March 16th, 2008 at 4:10 pm
FOLLOW UP …sample ….OF THE ISLAMIC CONTINUED EXTERMINATION OF CHRISTIANS IN IRAK ..
ONLY LAST WEEK…
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عاجل:: استشهاد الشاب راني يوسف حنا في الموصل بعد خروجة من الكنيسة
خاص
اقدمت مجموعات ارهابية مجرمة البارحة، الجمعية المصادف 14/3/2008 على قتل الشاب البريء راني يوسف حنا عندما كان خارجا من كنيسة مار توما للآثوريين في حي النور بالموصل. وقد حاول المجرمون في بداية الامر اختطاف الشاب الا انه قاومهم وحاول الافلات منهم مما ادى بهم الى اطلاق النار عليه فاردوه قتيلا.
وكان راني قد هاجر مع عائلته الى سوريا قبل سنتين بسبب ملاحقات الارهابيين لهم لكنه عاد قبل اسبوعين الى الموصل لتسيير بعض الامور ومن ثم العودة الى سوريا مجددا.
وقد تم نقل جثمان الشهيد راني اليوم الى تلكيف (مدينة والده) ليوارى الثرى.
نبذه عن حياة الشهيد راني يوسف حنا:
من مواليد 1983/1/6 ولد في الموصل وعاش فيها عامين بعدها انتقلوا الى بغداد وعاش في بغداد درس في مدرسة الفرات الاعداية لم يكمل دراسته بسبب الحرب على العراق عام 2003 ترك المدرسة وهو في الصف السادس ادبي وسافر عام 2005 الى سوريا وعاش هناك.
منذ طفولته كان يحب الدين كثيرا وكان هدفة في الحياة ان يصبح استاذ دين وبعد خروجة من العراق عام 2005 التحق باحدى الكنائيس في سورية واصبح معلم فيها يعلم الاطفال الدين والصلاة والتراتيل تناول على يد الشهيد المطران بولص فرج رحو وقد.
للتعازي:
http://www.ankawa.com/forum/index.php/topic,175993.0.html
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38. Tarek | March 16th, 2008 at 4:22 pm
RIP RANI
39. kezballah | March 16th, 2008 at 5:31 pm
Tarek, I think this dialogue was good, thank you for your time to explain your view. I agree with you that the religions teach a lot of good things but I also think they have to be improved with the times. I don’t pick one bad verse and say this is all Islam, it is the fanatics who take the verse and do all the terrorism with it, so I think the bad verse should be removed or at least ALL the religious authorities should be CLEAR and condemn it. If any cleric preach fanatism from this verse he should be put in jail. This is my view for Islam and other religions.
Ali1559, Who are you talking about? Who are the radicals and why you want to stop the dialogue?
40. Tarek | March 16th, 2008 at 5:40 pm
kezballa, there are no bad verses, there are wrong explanation for the verses. What is needed is better orientation and religious teaching. The problem in Islam is that the religious Hierarchy was lost after the destruction of the “khilafa”, so every time fanatics pop out and start making their own explanation of islam and there is no recognized higher authority to stop them. The Islamic societies around the world needs to re-establish the religious hierarchy to set things as they should.
41. kezballah | March 16th, 2008 at 10:18 pm
Tarek, I am referring to verses like eye for an eye in Judaism, like verses about Jihad in Islam, there are over 150 verses in the Koran about Jihad, I (personally) want to see all reference to violence out of religious books, religion has no business telling people about liberating land and claiming holy land, religion should be only about how to lead a peaceful life otherwise people from different religion will always find an excuse to kill each other. BUT I agree with you another way is to reform the religious authority hierarchy, the problem is there will be power struggle and politics so some groups dominate other groups…
42. Tarek | March 17th, 2008 at 12:21 am
Kezballa, violence is a fact in history. Governments have armies for a reason. The thing is how to use violence. Can you imagine a state without an army?
43. kezballah | March 17th, 2008 at 1:39 am
Tarek, that’s precisely the point, I accept to give my security to the government and its military, this is like accepting to have one authority that can use violence to defend me or arrest me if I do something wrong, but I don’t accept that religion has anything to do with my security. That’s my philosophy in life, I am not idealist or peace activist I accept there is violence as fact of life, but I don’t want a priest to stick his nose in my security, or to hijack my security like Hezbollah are doing today even if they were effective.
44. Tarek | March 17th, 2008 at 10:33 am
That’s always right. The state is always the one responsible for security and defense of its citizens. That’s what the Islamic religion states. However, in the total absence of the state, self defense in form of resistance is justified. You say religioin should have nothing to do with your security. Well the Islamic religion states that war decisions and security issues are solely the responsibility of the state. However, with the absence of the state resistance should be there. Here in Lebanon we have a state, thus all security issues and war an peace decisions should be made by the state. Priests and clerics just give the motivation necessary when the war is already there. That’s the way it should at least.
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