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• 1. Reminder | November 11th, 2009 at 9:36 am

  To answer your question I can name Gebran Bassil who did something outstanding and his successor will continue. I can also say that Tabourian attempted to d something outstanding but what prevented by Seniora, hopefully Gebran won’t be.

  Instead of critisizing the Kataeb ask yourself if Geagea would have accepted getting only 1 ministry that is not the ministry of justice? (don’t they both have 5MPs each?). Didn’t Geagea make a fuss about Harriri giving the justice to Harb?

  I have told you guys once and I’ll say it again:

  “People who live in glass houses should not throw stones at others!”

• 2. Amin | November 11th, 2009 at 9:48 am

  Bassil did good work in Etisalat.

  ghazi did a good work in Ashghal.

  Baroud did a good work in Da5leyeh

  bas killo ma byinfa3 coz.

  l Etisalat ba3da ghali w fi issues 3laya.

  l ashghal tafit l dini wil 3alam ghir2it.

  wil da5leyeh wil baladeyat. ba3d fi ktir ktir lazim yin3amal.

  my point is that these people worked bas mish kafi.

  About Kataeb, ra7it b zoltoun ma ba2a feyoun ya3mlo shi now. l 7a2 3layoun.

• 3. N10452 | November 11th, 2009 at 10:00 am

  Reminder,
  Bassil only worked prior to elections and his work turned out to be disastrous. Bills are still high except for regular lines and the network is 100 times worse than it was before. I don’t call this work.

  Tabourian didnt work shit with all due respect, even though he is capable.

  Only one to have stepped up and took his challenges was Ziad Baroud but he is still far from achieving what he has to do and the problem is the corruption within the ISF and not himself.

  When did Geagea make a big fuss about giving justice to Harb ? On the contrary he said and i quote him: ne7na wou 14azar mich 2assmeen ..

  That s why Kataeb’s reaction was very misplaced & bad.

• 4. N10452 | November 11th, 2009 at 10:00 am

  Ghazi chou 3emil bil achghel dakhlak ya Amin ?

• 5. Reminder | November 11th, 2009 at 10:37 am

  I previously explained why the lines are shitty for now, give it time as they had to wait to raise more capital to invest in enlarging the netowrks. Give it less than a year and the lines will be better than before and cheaper, for both prepaid and postpaid.

  Tabourian did try to do shit but remember that Seniora rejected his propositions? remember the quarrels between both? and how tabourian was mocked for saying: I am from Harvard?

  Wasn’t the justice ministry supposed to go to Harb at first? didn’t Harb ask for it and claim he wont participate if he doesn’t get it? if it wasn’t so important to geagea, why didn’t harb get it?

  Kataeb’s reaction is well placed, i am tayyar btw but i feel for the kataeb. LF got the justice which is more than enough, along with another ministry! Kataeb vitally conributed to the unexpected M14 victory in Zahle which gave M14 the majority, so I think they deserve a bit more, especially that since they are only getting 1 ministry (having 5MPs) & Jumblatt 3 (having 11MPs) they could at least have gotten the education portfolio!

• 6. Doc1559 | November 11th, 2009 at 10:59 am

  N10452

  So i advise Amine & Samy to take the seat and relax, because they will come out as big-time losers if they chose to resign or exit M14..

  1, They are big time losers. I hope they learned their lessssson !

  2, You drifting away from the bullet point ya N10452 which is : M14 policy if they still exist is bad for your own community (look at the formation) and for your country.

  3, Stop lying to yourself..

• 7. N10452 | November 11th, 2009 at 11:45 am

  Reminder,
  The lines will stay shitty because the companies in charge already told JIji Bassil that they cannot perform the restructuring he asked for.

  As for Tabourian,
  He could have made a big fuss about it with or without sanioura’s approval but he did not. Buying generators was one of the solutions that he did not lobby well.

  As for the Justice ministry, you say Geagea made a big fuss yet i dont see where this happens in the papers. Show me.

  Kataeb dont deserve more honestly, because majority of votes were distributed between LFers & Fpmers and everyone knows that, either in Achrafieh, Matn or elsewhere.

• 8. N10452 | November 11th, 2009 at 11:46 am

  Doc 1559,

  You simply made no sense in point 2
  as for point 3, i advise you the same ..

• 9. Reminder | November 11th, 2009 at 12:13 pm

  Time will show whether the lines will stay shitty.

  TabourianDID make a big fuss about it! how can u not remember? Seniora vetoed him, and he couldn’t have taken such a decision without senior’s approval. M14 followers mocked tabourian for weeks on the way he reacted with saniora.

  Aschrafieh maybe, but Metn? Its a known fact that Metn is split between FPM & Kataeb. Several statistics from different sources showed that FPM & Kataeb are the two largest parties in Metn by far, followed by Tashnag then by LF then by SSNP. Don’t confuse LFers with Kataeb followers who seem as LFers. Besides if LF are so strong in Metn why did 1 candidate run versus 2 for Kataeb? or that Eddy got the lowest vote count in 05 and 09 compared to Gemayel or the other catholic kataebi guy?

• 10. N10452 | November 11th, 2009 at 12:34 pm

  He could have done much more and you know it …. 2ayya big fuss ?? Lek Bassil chou 3emil …

  Kataeb are strong in Matn but the LF have an increasingly important presence and a very influential one ..

  I am talking though in general, numbers show Most Christians are split btw LF & FPM not btw LF & FPM & Kataeb and by a large margin ..

• 11. SPY | November 11th, 2009 at 12:48 pm

  inno msad2een 7elon el kataeb?
  For God sake, they got the following gifts:
  1- samer s3adeh in north (by FM)
  2- Nadim in Achrafieh (by LF)
  3- Elie maroni in Zahleh (by LF & Fattouch)

  and after all, they have 5 Mps! Sho el matlob?
  They should zip it NOW.

• 12. ja3far | November 11th, 2009 at 12:49 pm

  N… in an interview , sami was talking about how important it is to have the ministry of education and that they will work to unite the books of history and rewrite the history of lebanon in a way that will respect the sacrifices of parties like kataeb and LF…
  little later dar al fatwa contacted harriri to tell him how dangerous this is to consider those who collaborated with israel as heroes and lebanese martyres …
  at the end of the day the ministry wasnt given to kataeb no more…

  A good example of how your allies in M14 see you

• 13. Reminder | November 11th, 2009 at 12:59 pm

  He did make a big fuss, I have no idea why Seniora came down on him harder than he did on Bassil, but he did. Regardless at least he attmpted and tried to make a big fuss (better?). What are other minsiters doing? are they trying at least? and when corrputed seniora prevents tabourian from implmenting his plan do you blame tabourian for not trying harder (against the PM!) or the corrupt PM for impeding the plans of a hard working minister?

  Yes on a larger scale LF are stronger than Kataeb but not by the margin that you imagine, the realy difference is that LF’s leader is smarter, more cunning and manipulative then Kataeb’s naive pushover ball-less Amine that they call a leader.

• 14. Reminder | November 11th, 2009 at 1:03 pm

  Dear SPY
  You forgot the MP in Tripoli as well. But please don’t fool yourself in thinking that LF & Fattouch gave the Kataeb Marouni. On a stand-alone basis in Zahle Kataeb is stronger than either LF or Fattoush. As for Ashrafiyeh the gift was given by Pharaon and the deaths of Gebran Tueni and Bachir Gemayel.

  Also LF recieved 3 gifts:
  Adwen from Jumblat
  Zahra from Boutros Harb
  the Koura MP from Mkari and Harriri’s sunnis in koura.
  In fact LF got 2 in Bsharre on their own only.

• 15. N10452 | November 11th, 2009 at 1:24 pm

  Ja3far,
  How reliable is ur information ?

  Reminder,
  I never said anyone else did any work … re-read what i am saying .. ma 7ada 3am yechteghil bi wala wizara ..

  Pierre alla yer7amo had a plan for the industry and was working on it, that i can confirm.

  Towdee7 on ur reply to SPY:
  -Zahra didnt need Harb as he beat Gebran inside Batroun.
  - Koura MP got elected by the Christians as well and beat them Christian-wise.
  - Keep in mind Jounieh results and how Aoun barely got the 50% in comparison to 2005.

• 16. SPY | November 11th, 2009 at 1:50 pm

  Dear Reminder,

  I was NOT disuccing the whole gifts that were given during election because ALL parties received gifts (even FPM) and this not my concern now.
  I mentioned Kataeb gifts because the topic is about how they are blackmailing M14 while they don’t have any valid points.
  They don’t deserve more than 1 ministry as they have only 5 MPs.
  End of story.

• 17. Reminder | November 11th, 2009 at 2:05 pm

  Dear SPY,

  My point is that if you believe that Kataeb deserve 1 based on these points then LF should as well! Today LF=Kataeb! (in the parliament!) It is tough and subjective to decide which is better and by what margins.

  N
  I know u never said that anyone else did any work but I am pointing that tabourian is at least trying, unlike others. Yes Pierre was going to work well.
  Zahra recieved votes from Kataeb and Harb in Batroun (nothing wrong with that, bass ma trou70 trab7ouwon jmile lal kataeb) and as for Koura you guys won by a margin smaller than 15% which is the percentage amount of sunnis in Koura, and dont forget that Mkari is popular amongst christians as well.. again my point here is that SPY’s argument is invalid because what applies to kataeb applies to LF as well…at least in this parliament…and yes LF might deserve slightly more, but not 2 ministries (1 of which is actually good) compared to a shitty one for kataeb

• 18. Reminder | November 11th, 2009 at 2:07 pm

  also I think it is shamefull that a FPMer is defending kataeb vs LFers, you guys are supposed to be allies damn it!

• 19. N10452 | November 11th, 2009 at 2:17 pm

  Reminder,
  I am quite sure LFers won over FPmers in Christian votes in Koura … let us not go back to the elections & numbers ..

  Lawou 3anjad el Aouniyye reb7o keno fala2ouna fiya ..

  Back to my original post, why is the ministry given to the Kataeb a shitty one ? social affairs sar shitty ??

  L3ama .. every ministry is important and can be exploited very well …

  As for the fact that an FPMer is defending Kataeb, what can i say ? i hope one day you will be able to critisize the FPM the same way i critisize the LF & Kataeb.

• 20. Elie.F | November 11th, 2009 at 2:25 pm

  النائب بطرس حرب بعد لقائه الرئيس أمين الجميل: جئنا لنبحث في المسألة الحكومية العالقة مع حزب الكتائب ونشدد على ضرورة وجود الكتائب في الحكومة لما للرئيس الجميل من دور كبير يلعبه على الصعيد الوطني

  Inno first HARB was against entering the government , now he is the one convincing Gemayel to accept?

  Then what is the big role that Gemayel can play 3ala el sa3eed el watani? leish shoo bimassil? in the heart of METN and after the death of Pierre Gemayel , 3AOU told him on air, inta w kil yalli bitmassilon ma btoosalo la ta7t zinnari, yi3ni to make it easier” ma btoosal la a*y*r*i, and he lost the elections against Kamil Khoury.

  Yfahmouna shoo baddon ya3imlo el KATAEB bil government, but i hope they take the decision fast, because if they will wait 2 days more and then accept,people will spit on them more, so it’s better now to make their since ma 7adan lekishon iza feto walla la2.

• 21. paul | November 11th, 2009 at 2:43 pm

  Elie.F

  oufff,chou hal mati2.

• 22. danny | November 11th, 2009 at 2:52 pm

  Reminder…Please stop blowing hot air…Not impressed at all…

  Wow defending Kataeb…FPM supporters have an age requirement: Under 18 in remedial school or over 70 in mental wards…
  As I said in prior comment The Kataeb should accept their post with dignity and try to make a difference in people’ss lives as Lebanon IS a forth world country and majority of its people very poor…

  HA did not complain about its share…so Kataeb should emulate the Yellowjackets instead of the village idiot in rancid orange…

• 23. paul | November 11th, 2009 at 3:11 pm

  yalle natar aoun aktar min 6 months fyo yountour l kateib kam se3a,awwal 3a 2ekhir 7koumit bazzi2 wlazzi2.

• 24. Danny Badr | November 11th, 2009 at 4:47 pm

  BOkra iza Ziad Barroud byilti7i2 bil FPM kamen bit 2oulo 3ano ino fishil bil Dekhlieh..

  3ayb 3laykon ba2a…..7i2idkon 3emeeekon

  Bassil did a fantastic job bil itisalet and Na7as will follow suit no doubt.

• 25. danny | November 11th, 2009 at 5:51 pm

  Danny Badr…What is a fantastic job for you? It is obvious you claounies have very low standards for measuring performance…That’s why you worship and insane madman…

• 26. N10452 | November 11th, 2009 at 6:35 pm

  Khabberna 3an hal fantastic job ya Danny Badr .. wou khabberna where i did not point out an M14er minister of MP who did something bad …

  2amma chatir teje ta3mil copy paste lalli m7afzeenak yehoun ..

• 27. paul | November 11th, 2009 at 7:06 pm

  Danny,tayyib iza 2ilna:
  Bokra iza fishil ziad baroud bil dekhliye,byilti7i2 bil tayyar,minkoun kamen 7a2oudin?

• 28. PIERRE | November 11th, 2009 at 7:19 pm

  Its a Shame people on this site saying Kataeb should just take what is handed to them. For a party that has sacrificed since its inception. A party that has always been attacked. A party that gave us Bashir who created the LF.

• 29. fad14 | November 11th, 2009 at 8:02 pm

  I think we need to measure everyone on how they perform during the current government and accordingly decide who to elect in 4 years from now regardless of who they are and who they belong to.

  I hope FPM prove us wrong and actually do a good job. If they do, we might be getting electricity and communication properly for the first time in 35 years.

• 30. Elie.F | November 11th, 2009 at 8:03 pm

  Wlik ya Pierre 7tarna, inno why it is a shame to say that Kataeb should get 1 minister?14 M are the first who said that the formation of the government should respect and reflect the result of the elections, Kataeb got 5 deputees,this means they should have 1 minister,shoo khass sacrifice bil timseel el hookoomi? inno iza heik baddak then the AHRAR should get one minister too.

  Bil nisbiyye byotla3lon 1 minister, bil timseel based on the numbers of deputees also they get 1 minister, wlik keef ma bramta byotla3lon wa7ad (bala mi3na akeed).

  HA with all that they represent,got only 2 ministers,and what are they? zira3a and shabeb wil riyada, but yet no one of their supporters opened his mouth,but instead they behaved like winners, now if you want to tell me that the ministers of 3AOU are under the control of HA that’s why they did not ask for more, i see it in another point of view, i see that the opposition is very focused and they are working as one. Did you see DSG on the media we2if 3ala khatro la Ammouna? did you see Hariri giving a damn about Kataeb minister if he enters or not? did you see Jumblat saying any world about Gemayel? where is the late ally of Gemayel who is Michel el Murr?

  Yalla habibeti Sami w Ammouna, decide now if you want to participate or not because tomorrow people will not realise Selim el Sayegh in person if they saw him on the street.

• 31. PIERRE | November 11th, 2009 at 9:41 pm

  Elie F, I really dont think HA cares how much representation they get in the government, they will have the same influence even if they are not in the govt. As long as the Lebanese state is week HA does not mind.

  I never said it was a shame that they only got one minister. Its a shame the way they got dealt the one minister. It was a take it or leave it. So yes my friend they have right to be upset.

  No one will know who Selim El Sayegh is. My friend 2/3 of these people in this cabinet are unkown, so i dont know what your getting at.

• 32. danny | November 11th, 2009 at 10:05 pm

  fad14…just like your cell receptions…the rates will be cheaper and you’ll have an hour on a rotating basis…and Dahiye will stop getting only 10 hrs a day and revert to 24/7…and get this: They still won’t have to pay…

• 33. Elie.F | November 11th, 2009 at 10:07 pm

  Pierre,

  I mean the change starts from the inside and not with the firing statements, this is the Kataeb chance to prove if they can make a small change after this minister was with the Tayyar group especially that Mario 3aoun did not make a difference anywhere. So yalla Kataeb,go to work and don’t blame anyone for your failure.
  Who knew all the Tayyar group before the Doha agreement and before they were ministers? And what do you axpect the Kataeb deputees can do since their own minister is refusing his job and responsibilities in this crucial ministry?

  They will lose more than they already did by refusing this ministry, if 14 M is all against what hapenned to the Kataeb,then fine,the influence would have been bigger,but since no one of the allies care of what hapenned then it’s time to fight alone and to prove that the Kataeb is bigger than the volume given to it in the government.

• 34. observer | November 11th, 2009 at 10:16 pm

  Reminder,

  Your post #14 is totally rigged and lacks credibiilty. Koura was won by ouwet votes. Mkari was elected by LF votes. Mkari does not have weight beyond his village so his seat was handed to him by LF votes.
  I wonder how much of your other data can be trusted now. you do it on purpose or you just like to yap your mouth alot.

• 35. PIERRE | November 11th, 2009 at 10:17 pm

  Elie F,

  I aggree with you change needs to start from inside, and the ministers performance should define that person and his party.

  I just think the way it went down was hasty and could have been avoided.

• 36. kataebi wsar ouwet | November 11th, 2009 at 10:20 pm

  y adi3an hal hezb bi saraha!!!!
  el kataeb saret jersah…I can’t understand why they still in the governement after all this complaining and what they end complaining at?

• 37. Reminder | November 11th, 2009 at 10:39 pm

  Mkari (being FM) has the 15% sunni voters along with his village and other people whom he provided “services”… byikfe the sunnis, fine u want a compromise? u both helped eachother out, but LF aren’t far better than him AND the same applies to batroun with harb

• 38. Jean | November 12th, 2009 at 1:18 am

  Reminder,

  Observer is spot on with his #34. The koura for a long time has been dominated by marada and ssnp. This influence has pretty much been scaled back to nothing compared to what it once was. Kfaraka, Amioun, Bziza, Kousba and Ain Akrine provide a massive support base for the ouwet. The swing in votes in the Koura most definately came from the fresh support for the LF.

  The sunni votes definately helped but they werent the clincher by any means.

• 39. Ahmed making a point | November 12th, 2009 at 1:46 am

  Kataeb is no longer M14
  Sad day for Lebanon.

  Doc and ja3far

  Congrats !!

• 40. danny | November 12th, 2009 at 1:54 am

  39— stop being a defeatist>>>nobody is leaving…..What are you congratulating them foR?

• 41. Elie.F | November 12th, 2009 at 7:25 am

  Tayyib he is making a point,let him express his feelings.

• 42. Doc1559 | November 12th, 2009 at 9:55 am

  N10452 # 8

  POINT 2 :

  2, You drifting away from the bullet point ya N10452 which is : M14 policy if they still exist is bad for your own community (look at the formation) and for your country.

  المكتب السياسي: الكتائب حزب مستقل ويتصرف على هذا الأساس

  Kataeb is out BCUZ M4 IS bad for their community. M14 doesnt reflect kataeb’s views anymore…

  Stop lying to yourself..

• 43. Doc1559 | November 12th, 2009 at 9:58 am

  Ahmad

  و انت ليش زعلان

  Are you finally learning ?? I hope so ..

• 44. Doc1559 | November 12th, 2009 at 10:02 am

  This one is for you N10452

  http://www.kataeb.org/index.asp?stay=1

• 45. N10452 | November 12th, 2009 at 10:10 am

  Kataeb is still M14 and so is Jumblatt ..

  Doc 1559,
  How is M14 policy bad for the community ?
  Their problem is that they are not applying it ….

  And stop writing trash talks .. lying wou ma lying ..

• 46. fad14 | November 12th, 2009 at 2:36 pm

  You are right N, just M14 turned out to be 1/2 cowards, and 1/2 useless.

  Can’t say M8 are better, but Aoun proved he ca get what he wants and he can stop the country for that.

  Once to become president and now to get Bassil a ministry.

• 47. danny | November 12th, 2009 at 2:43 pm

  fad14,

  I do not understand why you guys think that village idiot has any leverage? HA helped him in his election campaign and they are still because he is their main cover!! HA does not need any ministries as they force everything to their liking as the have the GUN!!! Now to boost the claoun they drag things around well why not? As FM is under KSA orders not to create a Sunni and Shiite conflict; they allowed the moron to rant and drool…

  Fad14 he is already a president in his fictional world until they sedate him with more powerful meds…

  Every day he wakes up as the president and batrak and the leader of the Christians in the East…Then they medicate him…

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