I like how you make up rules as you go, shou hay rigging is not the same as cheating, men wen jebta hay min el United Nations? If you think the election is unfair and undemocratic you BOYCOT IT, period. If you participate then you accept the results, period. Wen el BOYCOT taba3 Aoun the man of principles in 2005?

Bass a7la shi when you say “7ilf el roobe3i was cheating against aoun in 2005″, dakhlak what was Aoun doing in Tripoli meeting with Karami trying to make a 7elf to win the election in the North with Sunni votes? He tried the same thing you accuse M14 of doing but the difference he failed in the North. Shou when Aoun makes an alliance it is OK but when others make an alliance it is cheating? Here is an article to refresh your memory: http://www.lebanonwire.com/0605/05061403DS.asp

You said “he had to go along with elections, for how can he change the 2000 law in the next elections if he doesn’t have any mps”

Why he didn’t use the same logic and participate in the government? The law is sent to the parliament by the government, he has to be in the government also if all he wants is to change the law. But he didn’t join because mitel 3edto baddo yekol baida w 2esherta, 2ana 2aw la 2a7ad, baddo presidency baddo all the government baddo all parliament and screw everyone else even the one still in jail after 11 years because of his stupid war. When you want everything you don’t remember demokratiye tawefo2iye, when you want to sabotage everything you start talking about demokratiye tawefo2iyeh, shou mfakkrin kel el 3alam hebel??

Yoy said “In beirut he had no chance of winning because it was made one district by hariri, that’s why he told the christians not to vote there, because there’s no point”

Oh that’s nice so every district has to be made for Aoun’s size otherwise he will not play, he only accepts elections if he wins all 64 Christian MPs. OK Let’s say Beirut district is unfair for Christians, why he didn’t support Gebran and Solange? Why Tayyar spread insults about them, are they traitors of the country? Is Aoun the only good person in Lebanon? Is that why all his enemies are dead and he is still alive and his MPs have dinner on the terrasse while the others hide underground? Khalsouna ba2a ya 3ammeh!

You said: use your head for once!

I am using my brain, what are you using? Are you using the other head that doesn’t have a brain? I did not say 2000 Law was used to give Aoun the Christian votes, I said after Bkerki critique the 2000 Law and LBC made the propaganda campaign then Aoun got the biggest benefit. Since you like facts here is a fact, there are 49% of people in Metn who didn’t vote for Aoun, here is another fact the university elections are divided no clear winner. What made you win was propaganda using Bkerki’s critique, what made you win was DSG was still in jail, what made you win was Kataeb was still divided.

I know nothing will convince you but please stop thinking you are smarter than us and you are 100% right and we are 100% wrong.

I said more than once that 2000 law was used by all the 7ilf el roube3i against aoun, and you reply that berri was the one who wanted the law.
THEY ALL USED IT! AGAINST AOUN! That’s a fact! You just keep trying to say that the M14 forces weren’t intent on using the law, despite the fact that it got them the mps of beirut, north, chouf, etc, despite that it was 2allah yir7amo who spent millions of dollars to make the law.
And I don’t care if we are 3% of the population, christians get half of parliement!(like pierre gemayel said el naw3iye 2aham min el kamiye)
The parliment was open for 2 years, but never once did M14 consider changing the law, why is that? If aoun has become such a traitor and the christians are so sick of his “lies”, why does M14 never declare they want a better law for the christians?

“And aoun never got 80% of votes “, what?You’re denying facts now? Is that how you prove your argument?

“And aoun didn’t participate in the gov because he wanted a too big share for someone who lost the elections”
What big share???He just wnted what he deserved for 21 mps, not even for the percentage of the votes he got! Yet they even wanted to give him less than that!They wanted to make him just another christian with no power giving no more than advice to the prime minister(like geagea and gemayel)

“hizb&co manged to impose their minsters and berri the snake as head of the parliament, because they have weapons…”
So you’re saying they were able to threaten M14 to give them ministers?So why don’t they do it again to get the tilt el damin?

Wbilnisbe la opening the parliment, like geagea said :The elections must not occur unless two third of parliment is present.

I was talking about what happenned in 2005 where berri(for the account of Syria and hizbis) was the main one blocking any change to the law… at one stage there was even some discussions to use caza in all the country and keep 2000 law in south to allow hizb&co to choose the christian MP’s, anyway…

Do you have any idea of what the Boutros law is? actually do you care? what matters for you is the good of lebanon or following blindly yr general??
and kif 64 MP??? aren’t you in the opposition(jame3et le moutélaté)??? 64/3…

And aoun never got 80% of votes and even if he did, were the christians voting for the programm aoun is proposing now (am not sure what his programm is but it seems it is something assem kanso, wiiam wahhab, ali kanso, fathi yakan,slimi frangié, jammell el sayyed, hassan nasrallah, nabih berri, bashar el assad, mahmoud ahmadinejad support which makes it VERY VERY supcicious)

And aoun didn’t participate in the gov because he wanted a too big share for someone who lost the elections, this is normal. What is not normal is that hizb&co manged to impose their minsters and berri the snake as head of the parliament, because they have weapons…

btw, are you in favor of opening the parliament so that these things can get discussed??don’t you think the one closing the parliament doesn’t want any debate/any solution??

And I don’give a sh*t about right or wrong, all that I see is 64 christian mps and I want all of them to be elected by christians regardless of how you feel about it and about how you think it will destroy lebanon’s unity!

Aoun got 80% of christian votes yet was not allowed to participate in the goverment! Did he have any weapons?Did he have his own state? No he didn’t, BUT hezballah did, and curiously were allowed by M14 to join the goverment! How can you explain that?(I think deep down you know that it was for reasons of M14 corruption and fati7 malafet and ta3teel mou2amarat that they don’t want aoun)
And first accept to change 2000 law, and if berri and syria do as you say after that, then you can start talking.
7kee 3an wa2eyi3 badel naweya la marra.

btw, let’s say m14 wanted to change the 2000 law do you think Berri would have agreed and opened the parliament? Do you think Syria has any infulence on berri? do you think Syria was happy to leave lebanon? do you think Syria wanted a new parliament? would you have preffered the old parliament to remain in place(I know the answer is yes as they are all yr allies now)?

And about who lost from 2000 electoral law, use your head for once! If 2000 law was what gave aoun christian votes then why did M14 use it in the first place??? If aoun couldn’t get the large majority in all the christian areas what would they need 2000 law for???

I don’t and never will count on you to vote general, because you will always find an excuse to hate him and to love geagea, regardless of what law will be used in 2009 by M14.

And I never said aoun is perfect, thet’s just the propaganda they feed you to make you think that aounists are brainwashed irangists and sheep who can’t think for themselves.

First do you remember what Aoun did in 1992? He was the first who asked the Christians to stay home and boycot the elections, he sat home in his luxury apartment in Paris and smoked Argileh because he is a great man of principles. Why didn’t he do the same thing in 2005? Do you remember what he did in 2005? He accepted the elections where he will win and he boycoted the elections where he will lose like in Beirut, he asked people to boycot Gebran Tueini and Solange Gemayel, why because they are traitors? This is not demoktariye tawefo2iye this is your General making a mockery of principles and of democracy.

And you think he was the one who lost from the 2000 Law? That is funny I remember how he played on the feelings of all Christians when he used the 2000 Law to ask them to slap the face of those who imposed it (Hariri and allies). He is the one who benefited the most from it!

I make you one promise, if anyone try to impose the 2000 Law again or something unfair for Christian voters I will vote for your General, if you want we can go together to the voting room and I will put your list in the box. But if you want to say that anything which doesn’t come from Aoun is bad and everything from Aoun is good then you have a problem I can not help you with, you need to see a specialist.

Hope it was not “crap” for you this time.

Then…the actual debate on 1960 law should make people realise that election law is something complicated, there is no RIGHT and WRONG in electoral laws, some laws are better than the other and this is all relative…let’s say I am against 1960 electoral law and the majority(whoever that is)goes with this law, can I come some time after the election say the law is unfair thus the majority doesn’t exist thus I can burn tires occupy DT, block the parliament ect…

Also would remind you that the government has created a commitee of respected people who worked on an electoral and came up with a great project that would guarantee good representation for everyone while in the same time forcing some trancommunity political alliances so that the country can start progressively moving forward. Definitely better than 1960…

Then concerning democratiyyé tawefou2iyyé..I agree this is necessary in a country liek lebanon to gurantee that no community tries and take the rights of the others…HOWEVER, the fact that your allies the hizbis have an army and their own state is in itself the biggest violation of any democrtiyé tawafou2iyyé…agreed?????spare me yr bullshit abt weapons directed to Israel you know well that these weapons are constantly used in the mou3édalé siyéssiyé…

PLEASE MAKE UP YOUR MINDS, you want the MOU because we are all Lebanese or you want the Christians to elect Christians? Inteh 7ej t2illeh kel se3a shi.

About dimokratiye tawefou2iye this does not mean we have to get Aoun and Hezbollah permission for every decision, tawefou2iye between Christian and Moslem so one religion doesn’t force something on the other, not tawefou2iye so we need the approval of every Aouneh and Hezballatje every time we go to the bathroom. You have turned the doustour to toilet paper for Najjad and Assad.