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• 1. sam | September 14th, 2008 at 6:59 pm

  N… i would like to know your opinion regading these two matters please:

  1- what is your opinion regarding the fact that we are still treated as cows by our leaders? i. e. el sheikh saed heritage include the followers of his father, waleed jumbat did the same .. Amin jumail was doing it to pierre and now to his second son, mou3ad is hoping for her adorable son… a very long list you know.. till when you think this will keep going?

  2- Cheikh Nadime is considered to be ? your future leader or his position is more a sentimental position…

  i know you are not afraid of self criticism that is why am asking

  best regards

• 2. Doc 1559 | September 14th, 2008 at 7:05 pm

  As someone who is not a political moron I completely agree that the lebanese political speeches are waste of time. Nadim refuses to acknowledge that there is a threat called ” the salafis” and blame all the chaos on HA and alliance. I think People are getting sick and tired of hearing the same old speech.

  Indeed, after daw7a, all the 14th of march speeches became ink on papers.

  After all, if they are not going to take action for their words , what’s the reason of having them speak??? As n10452 said (I agree with you N)we need action and not talk).

• 3. kouwatje | September 14th, 2008 at 7:21 pm

  link not working

• 4. Delta | September 14th, 2008 at 7:51 pm

  link is not worling great point Sam

• 5. Fred | September 14th, 2008 at 8:33 pm

  Sheikh Nadim is the son of Al Bash our leader and hero and source of inspiration and we willl support him and help him because his father died for us. But Sheikh Nadim will never make it to become a leader. He just laks charisma and determination. Sheikha youmna have better leadership abilities but anyway our leader and Bash successor is not mendatory someone from the family. DSG with all his scrifices would never also become this leader who will unify christians. For sure not GMA also.
  Let’s hope this leader would rise soon before we loose this country.
  Just look how ironic are all the comments here and on LF site with people swearing that Ajrasna 7a tdal tdik, w ni7na bi hal ard and all the people commenting are in France, Canada and Gulf.
  We have not much time anymore a couple of years and if we do not have a new Bashir then let’s forget about Lebanon and let’s admit that we lost the battle, the war and our free existance in Lebanon and Middle East

• 6. taaaaaj | September 14th, 2008 at 9:12 pm

  Ma kenit Btozbat balla hal “Sheik” Part ya N?

• 7. jean | September 14th, 2008 at 9:23 pm

  I am not sure how did the celebration go but check this picture out…Is this the image we want to portray? Those guys look like Hezballah guys b eid al kouds…
  http://www.lebanese-forces.com/ar/nalbumpic.asp?id=713&picid=12

  Anyways, I thought the introduction to Nadim speech was idiotic… How is he an arze shamikha while he is working and living in Qatar…Just because he is Bachir’s son doesn’t mean anything….

  Bachir said ” iza ma tile3 alf bachir…balekoun w bala hal kadiyeh”… Unfortunately ma teli3 wala bachir so ya3tikoun el 3afiyeh 3ala hal adiyeh…

  Jean

• 8. Rasheed | September 14th, 2008 at 10:03 pm

  Nadim G did mention in his speech that he opposes “al-duwaylah” and “al-imara” in a reference to what is referred to here as Salafist threat.

  On the question of Salafis, people seem to be confusing Salafis with Jihadists.

  Salafis are basically ultra orthodox muslims who want to conduct their lives in a way similar to the first generations of muslims. They are in a way similar to Amish in the US. Many Salafis denounce politics altogether.

  Jihadists, on the other hand, who are best represented by Al-Qaeda, Bin Laden, Zawahiri, and co., are militant muslims who use violence against what they perceive as their enemies.

  To be precise, the threat to Lebanon comes from the Jihadists.

• 9. Rasheed | September 14th, 2008 at 10:08 pm

  Sam #1, since you mention “the fact that we are still treated as cows by our leaders”, I would appreciate reading your opinion on takleef shar3ee.

• 10. Maximus | September 14th, 2008 at 10:28 pm

  Taaaaaj
  Myeh bel myeh maak
  Men kam yom, LF official site announced Bashir as “sheikhs shouhada3 al moqawamé el lebnanyé” !!! A mimetisme to HA terminology as if we as christians do not have our own cultural heritage to define à martyr! They change it few hours later to “shahid al shouhada’…
  Ya shabeb, sheih is an islamist title given during the ottoman occupation to some maronite families who served the occupyers the same as the syrians gave somme maronites collaborators some modern titles as minister or deputy. This the reality. We should renounce to all these signs of cultural islamic invasion. Before th eislamic invasion in the 14th century, Maronites have never had artistocratic among us. They all lived as brothers, equal. They were all working land during peace time and they all take arms during an islamic attack. All these social distinction (particulary sheikh) are foreign to our christian culture and we have to renounce to them.

• 11. sam | September 14th, 2008 at 10:46 pm

  rasheed.. i am not an official member of HA .. so i dont care about their takleef shar3ee or al awamer al tanzimiye…
  and i dont think it do work in a country like lebanon if you care about my opinion..

  and if you care to know what do HA see in takleef charee go to the following link:
  http://www.ouwet.com/n10452/critiques/quote-of-the-day-by-aoun/
  see my answer number 29,, you will find the answer..

  and rasheed no one is attacking nadime here to defend him.. i had a question to N about how he sees him .. as i have noticed that N is man open to discussion same as other serious people here ..

  But as you are excited about the subject are you with the idea of the sun heriting the people from his father as it is happening in countries like syria., saudi, libiya, and in some parties in lebanon?

  and rasheed.. seriously, do you believe that if today HA disapear from the map of lebanon all our problems will be solved?

  no need every time there is an internal issue to bypass it and shift the discussion to HA .. there is other issues in lebanon dont you think?

  best regards

• 12. Delta | September 14th, 2008 at 11:04 pm

  Doc i agree with you on all ur post despite the salafist thing i think that HA is legitimizing any resident of lebanon to have weapon else than that i agree

• 13. Rima | September 15th, 2008 at 3:01 am

  N

  To what extent, do you think this article is reliable? Just worried
  Thank you
  http://www.dar-al-seyassah.com/news_details.asp?nid=28826&snapt=الدولية

• 14. Doc 1559 | September 15th, 2008 at 4:40 am

  Delta

  Good , good , very good ! You finally agreed with me on someting.

  They (political parties ) have weapons and lots of it but this is not my point.

  I am concerend about the salafi plan in lebanon. I don’t think saad or any other moderate sunni leader has any control over them. Their plan is well financed and their agenda is to bomb and dominate all the KAFIRIN (chiaa/christians) areas (i.e 3yn 3li2) . It seems like all the beheading videos , the bombs, the shooting are not scary enough to be worried about our future in lebanon. No one regardless of color will be able to stop them in case they strike against lebanon (ie. shekir al 3bsseh escaped from naher al berid) ..

  Ya delta, you know very well that HA will not send their suicide bomber to blow you and your kids up into pieces. You know very well that HA’s weapon is going to be part of the ” stratejiye defei3yeh” in the future. On the other hand, You have no control over what the wahabis are going to do ! Maybe a new naher al berid ?

  I hope the ppl of 14 azar will remember to be cautions during the next election. Otherwise, they are going to pay the price .

• 15. Doc 1559 | September 15th, 2008 at 4:54 am

  Rasheed

  Hi there,

  The salafists are the jihadists ! The salafists repeatedly attacks the Algerian military and also kidnaps Western tourists in an effort to weaken and ultimately overthrow the Algerian government.

  In September 2006, terrorist Ayman al zawahiri announced a union between the groups (salafi/jihadi,wahabi) in declaring France and enemy and fighting against French and american interests. And now they are called ” al qaeda in the islamic maghreb”. Trust me, sir, when the time comes, they will unite and call themselves ” fata7 al islam ” Oops ! I guess they did. Didnt they ?

  So, plz, do not defend your alliance with hariri by backing such terrorist groups!

  Thank you so much and you have a gr8 day .

• 16. Rima | September 15th, 2008 at 5:43 am

  Doc ya faylassouf assrak

  Can you inform me why Hassan Nassra said that Nahr el bared is khat ahmar when the army was fighting Fathel Islam?

  I totally agree that religious fundamentalism is extremely dangerous but what was HA and Amal thinking when they invaded Beirut and Al jabal and when they let Hizbel kawmi burn the Future TV? What was Hassan thinking when he threatened to cut our hands, head and so on?
  So your actions guys speak louder than your words
  You are scared to death from sunni terrorism…we ought to be scared as well…but you cannot play with the fire and then scream FIRE!!!
  You kassartou Haybeit el jeich by your invasion of Beirut…..and other incidents…the only shield against sunni terrorism and yours(amal+HA)
  is a strong dawleh…your mini-Iran in the South is not helping…..SO YU ARE THE LAST ONE TO COMPLAIN ABOUT TERRORISM WHETHER JIHADIST OR SALAFISTS…Terrorism has different faces some cut heads and others send sayaratt mfakhakha…
  Cheers

• 17. sam | September 15th, 2008 at 10:12 am

  Rasheed… salafis denounce politics? that is a good one,., it seems you are confused between salafists and sufiists…
  the salafists are originated from IBn taymiye shool. i advice you to go and read a little bit about Ibn taymiye, this will make you think a lot before defending them…
  Best regards

• 18. Michele | September 15th, 2008 at 2:29 pm

  Kbiré ya Rima #16

• 19. Rami | September 15th, 2008 at 2:33 pm

  Fred spot on!
  Rasheed, i said it to you once and i will say it twice, for me its over, there are no moderate sunnis and extremist sunnis,there are only hypocrite sunnis.There are no difference between salafists and jihadists as long as they consider us as “Kuffar” and heretics, as long as they preach that it is “halal” to kill christians.
  To Rima, you must make a diffrence between istichhadi and intihari
  Sunni fanatics are the worst thing that hapened to Lebanon, everyone are threatened by them.

  As for Nadim gemayel, sorry N but 7atta law ken ebno la Bach, that doesnt make him a good leader,but if they told me to choose between Hakim and Nadim i would have chosen Nadim..We need as LF new faces, we have seen the mistakes of LF and political fouls of Hakim..Sorry Hakim, you may be a fox in terms of military experience,but in politics you showed us that you are not that good

• 20. sam | September 15th, 2008 at 4:22 pm

  Rima.. of course we are worried about sunnies extremists.. someone who go exploding himself between people who are praying in a mosque or in a church ( the way it is happening in iraque, pakistan, and afganistan…) thinking he will go to heaven is worrying…we are not stupid…

  the ambiance in lebanon before 7 may was leading in such a way .. to a religious war…. but it was boiling on a small fire.. what happened in 7 may was done to turn of this fire .. the fire that if turned on will burn us all..proof.. you think the situation is better now or before of 7 may? every body was talking about the boiling summer, look what happened , it was the best since a long time..

  of course i understand you guys being angry as your leaders were missleading you for two years .. some may take it persoanly.. but for lebanon as a lot… things are much better now then before “cleaning “beirut…

  one final think rima. HA sees in there weapon their mean to deffend their families, wives, kids, homeland, and lebanon against the enemy . ( and if you look at lot of the comments here you see how many are waiting or hopping for israel or america or.. to attack them .. regardless if their wishes are legitimate for these people or not.. it is not what we are discussion.. why you hate HA )…the clear thing is that HA have a good amount of enemies.. true?

  so for HA these weapons are sacred…and if the hot issues are not solved, these arms are the main issue to survive… so in my opinion, Nassrallah was too polite ( as usaual ) when he said that if any one try to put his arm on our weapon we will cut it .. ( i know lot of people here will get angry of that and discuss about HA taking lebanon to hell.. that is again another issue ..:))

  this is the other point of view rima.. think about it…

  with my best regards rima .. as always …

• 21. Delta | September 15th, 2008 at 5:06 pm

  Doc 1559

  ya sahbe i agree wih you ino the salafist threat is there but how would u feel if u are sunni and hizbullah is carrying orckets and the army is watching them invading beirut and after taht the army will run to disarm the sunnis not hizbullah who has more weopon then any one else hizbulla weopon is a cancer it is giving the right to any one in lebanon to carry weopon kilo bi ilak anna khiyfen hizballa yihjoum 3laye wil dawle ma behmine and the proof is last spring htallo beirut whara2ouwa whara2o a tv station.

  u told me i know ino hizballa wont attack me and killl my son

  la ya Doc i dont after their attack on beirut they lost all what was left from credits wfihmak kfeyeh

  the salafist is a threat much smaller than hizbullah for the moment.

  best regards tell me what you think.

• 22. danny | September 15th, 2008 at 11:00 pm

  Sam,

  It is always the wolf in sheep’s clothing…Like you and your HA preachers…Now thw wolf’s teeth are showing!

  …leaders and sons/daughters????

  Did you forget any?? Arslan and son? Murr and son and daughter? Suleiman Frangieh and son Tony then another Slyman??

  In today’s world…clAoun and Basil? alain Aoun? etc..etc…

  SO PLEASE CUT THE BS AND STOP THE SOFT CRAP!!! IF YOU WERE TO BE A NON HA/TAYYAR FOOL THEN START PICKING UP ON THEIR BLUNDERS THAT ARE IN ZILLIONS!!!

• 23. g_cedar | September 15th, 2008 at 11:19 pm

  The cultural tradition in lebanese society pretty much as in most arab societies is for the father to hand the succession to one of his sons. This is how tribal societies work for the most part. It has been like this for ages, and will probably not change, that is why we have traditional families from each community that keeps the concept of ‘zou3ama’ alive. Lebanon is all about clans and lords, a system that emanates from the time of the ottomans, oh , about one thousand years ago!

• 24. sam | September 15th, 2008 at 11:39 pm

  tawel beelak khaye Danny..:)
  if you reread what i wrote .. you will note that i said our leaders, and not your leaders.. and i said it is a very long list.. so dont be over sensitive and calm down.. i am not criticising you..but feeling bad about the way us lebanese are being treated..

  and yes you can add the names you have mentioned…other names may be biri and his son or brother, shamss eddine son.. kabalein sons; and lot of others potential candidates.. we are very lucky dont you think ?:) rekbinna rekbinna

  just one question though.. do you always feel that any person who is saying something that doesnt meet your way of thinking is saying crap, and BS..? or just the people who comes from different political backround

• 25. Tarek Gemayel | September 16th, 2008 at 1:20 am

  Sam ya habibi ya sam,

  We have nothing against you, we have something against what you are saying.
  It simply makes no sense at all.

  I got a question for you: What is the role of the army in a country???

  You are saying that HA is keeping its weapons to defend itself from Israel and US. But this is the Army’s duty to do that. Its the army’s duty to defend the lebanese families, the lebanese kids, our homeland and whatever you stated. So thats why HA should give away their weapons to the lebanese government.

  This is the biggest issue here in Lebanon nowadays. And i know that HA is not ready to give up their weapons, because they have a plan in their heads, and this plan is to make Lebanon an Islamic Country. And how can they do it? With their weapons.

  So now you’re gonna answer back to what i said and tell me that these weapons and to defend Lebanon and not to attack it.

  Anyways, waiting impatiently for your answer Sam.

  Have a good day everyone.

• 26. danny | September 16th, 2008 at 1:39 am

  …”do you always feel that any person who is saying something that doesnt meet your way of thinking is saying crap, and BS..?”

  Yup Sammy you are full of crap…You said our leaders blah blah…i have not taken you for a democracy loving person. On contraire you seem to be an apologists for the terrorists and the butchers and child killers in yellow/green…Now stop spinning you are becoming nauseating!!

  by the way sammy the preacher…Have you said anything worth a penny in the last year???

  Wallaw!!!Articulate something then we’ll talk until then you sound nothing more than refined mukhabarati agent who thinks he can sow discontent in the opposition camp!

• 27. Rima | September 16th, 2008 at 2:23 am

  Sam

  I think Danny is right regarding your duties on this blog…why not?

  Firstly, you check what your opponents are saying…
  Secondly, try to disseminate HA’s divine ideology among us

  Anyway, I am not convinced about your theory regarding the invasion of Beirut and about Nassra’s bloody speeches…that is so uncivilised…Your Silah won’t protect you and eventually you will end up in a fierce civil war …If Iran is ready to provide you with Weapons there are million Irans ready to provide your opponents with even more deadly weapons …As I said all terrorists are the same…I strongly beleive you are behind or covering most assassinations in Lebanon starting with the marines, President Mouawad and so on…HA and Co’s politics is based on lies , deception…khida2…lies lies lies…it works for awhile but not forever…
  The gap between you and democracy and human rights is sooooooooo big…

• 28. Doc 1559 | September 16th, 2008 at 6:26 am

  Rima

  I will at all times control my temper, resisting the temptation of retaliate.

  I am very dissapointed in you girl , you didnt have to call me what you called me in a previous post(would you like me to call you names such as %^& ?). Your short temper is killing you. And bcoz of that , I am going to avoid you from now on and I hope you do the same. I think you’re living an unhappy marriage and this is why you are so offensive at all the time.

  It was nice talking to you, god bless..

• 29. Rima | September 16th, 2008 at 6:34 am

  Doc

  Don’t get personal just because you are unable to answer vital questions…you want to support terrorism and cover it with your philosophical rhetoric…I am sad because I know many innocent people in Lebnaon are suffering because of evil politics and all you care aboot is begging recognition on this blog.

  Doc get lost..I am not dying to talk to you

• 30. Michele | September 16th, 2008 at 7:44 am

  Danny, i’m glad to know that u as well are not fooled wz Sam’s phony “peace &Luv” attitude.

  Sam, ur excuse for HA to hold weapons is really crap. If u don’t want to recognise the role of an army in Lebanon, this would mean that the rest of the Lebanese should carry weapons as well to protect their lands n families…

• 31. sam | September 16th, 2008 at 10:38 am

  Michele… i am not sure if you are a little child playing on a computer or a very stupid person who cannot understand what he is saying…, usually i wouldnt care.. but the moment you called me a babies killer you have went too far…

  if you think you are funny or smart by calling people such names you are not … you lack all type of decensy and respect.. your parents didnt know how to raise you and it is not my duty to do …

  for me your are just a durty fly making some noise.. i will stop all type of communication with you…

• 32. sam | September 16th, 2008 at 10:56 am

  Dear Tarek
  i do agree with what you are saying.. it is the role of the army to defend babies , families and home…

  However, when the army is not able to do that ..people take arms and defend themselves…
  that is the way HA and other types of resistances came to live… that is how HA liberated the south…

  now you are telling me that the lebanese army can stand agaisnt any potentail israeli invasion? please allow me to have doupts…

  try to understand that this is a very critical issue… i will not just put down my arms`because some lebanese politicians are using this subject to gain popularity by scaring people…
  this subject need to be discussed through military strategies..

  regarding islamic country .. there is several parties in lebanon who declare every day that they want to do that .. like Hizeb al tahrir… but HA are not so stupid.. they know very well that their strength comes from a multi culture lebanon…

  best regards

• 33. sam | September 16th, 2008 at 11:03 am

  rima… the problem is clear you think every body but jumblat harriri ja3ja3e:) amin jumaiyel :)who else? are liyers … you made me smile

• 34. Michele | September 16th, 2008 at 11:33 am

  Boohoo Sam!!!!

  Do u feel theatened by me??!!! Do usually women scare u?

  I won’t go to ur level of speech as i know where u come from n honestly i excuse u.

  and i’m not going to mention ur parents n family, coz i’m sure u r z only 1 to be blamed for being so low class.

  I accused the Hezbollah for being baby killers, so if u r one of them, then u surely are!

  I’m glad that u won’t be communicating wz me anymore coz definitely no one here wants to hear u insulting and threatening a woman, but i can promise 1 thing i’ll never stop on commenting on anything stupid that u might say in z futur.

  So bring it on cowboy!!!!

• 35. Tarek Gemayel | September 16th, 2008 at 1:44 pm

  Sam you seem so ignorant. I think you have been brainwashed by HA. Honestly dont tell me that HA is capable of defending Lebanon from the Israelis. Dont tell me that in 2006 HA won. PLZ dont say that.

  Just to let know that Israel has 600 fighter planes and they only used 1 percent of these 600 planes. And look what they did to the Da7yeh and Lebanon. So imagine they used 10% or 20% of their planes, what the hell would of happened to our country or to so beloved friends HA.

  Concerning the weapons, you are just giving me STUPID, i mean VERY STUPID reasons so you could keep the weapons with HA. Why not give these weapons to the Army, and you will see how this Army will defend your country.

  One more thing. If something happens in the Christian Area in Lebanon like Metn or Keserwan, you think HA will defend it. I really doubt it. They will only defend the South and the Da7yeh.

  Good day everyone!

• 36. Rima | September 16th, 2008 at 1:58 pm

  Michele

  Here we go…The truth hurts…
  I mean really who cares if they communicate with us or not…do they think it is a dating forum?…it is a political Forum …they should expect to be smashed and ridiculed for supporting terrorists…It is so funny when they get so touchy…I wonder where their IHssass was when they attacked Beirut and the Jabal like thugs …when they yitmarjalou ala el jeich and so on…
  I wonder where their Ihssass was when they were using women and children as human shields?

  Jamaeit shoukran souriya should understand that ALLAH YOUMHIL WALLA YOUHMILLL…

• 37. sam | September 16th, 2008 at 2:22 pm

  tststs tarek… you started it in a good way .. i dont know why you guys cant discuss or try to use logic in a respectful way..
  am serious… why do you consider any one who have a different logic to be ignorant, brain washed, stupid… are you really so closed up in your circle?

  tarek .. winning and loosing are measured easily.. if you set targets and achieve them you will win if not you will loose.. you can discuss with me the heavy prices we paid.. but HA achieved their targets while israel didnt…

  do you know that the soviet union lost 20 million in the secod war? more then all the other countries combined… did they win or loose?
  do you know that the vietnamese lost 2 million in the war of the USA against them.. did they win or loose? lot of other examples…

  the people in south of lebanon feel they won because they were able to go back to their homelands israel couldnt envade their country..
  do you know that all what took isral to surround beirut in 1982 was 7 days? make a small comparison you will understand?

  do you know that the israelies planes did 10,000 attack on lebanese targetted in 2006? ( little less then 2 times more then what the americans did in their last invasion to iraque?)
  israel used 200,000 tank bomb against lebanon in the last war.. with more destruction power then the nuclear bomb used against hiroshima…

  you know very well that lebanon is a small country.. their is no space for 600 planes to fly over us.. but it was a known fact that israel used most of it artelary in that war.. they needed our friend the states to bring them more weapons from their bases in the gulf and europe.

  regarding the army .. be sure that the realtion between the army and the resistance is excellent… the army leaders know very well their capability and that is why the new leader is saying hand with hand with the resistance we will defend our country …

  you know, i really hope the christian villages in meten and keserwan will never be attacked by the israelies war machines.. but be sure that when the christian villages in the south were attacked.. the resistance was there to deffend them…

  finally, guys, i know there is lot of differences in our ideologies and opinions.. but i do appreciate if we can maintain a certain level of mutual respect in our communication…

  if you feel you prefair to have this site as a close circle for your opinions N can just ask me to stop writing …

  best regards

• 38. Rima | September 16th, 2008 at 2:35 pm

  Bravo Sam

  Ok tayyeb bi kil bassata can you tell me bi ayya bank biyessrfou hal checks of divine victory?
  Tayyeb into intassartou we tahbashtou el balad nehna shou ijena? Innou heik badna ndal m22adyina droubni la oudourbak…we ekherta?
  Syria and Iran are our enemies as well and we have the right to resisit them…shou nehna ma bihe2lna?…yalla kilou haki bi haki

• 39. Michele | September 17th, 2008 at 7:54 am

  Rima LOL “do they think it is a dating forum?”

  Yeah, they wish

• 40. Rima | September 17th, 2008 at 7:56 am

  Michele

  Mich chatriin illa ala el Nisswan…no wonder they hide behind babies and women…:)

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