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• 1. ziad-italy | September 12th, 2008 at 10:03 pm

  3al alileh LF 3anda bashir … bi 7elkon tefte5rou bi madikon , even if in the present we have doubts on LF … but at least LF is on almost the same principles of 25 years ago ….

  i want to see if the 3aouuuuuuuuuuuuuu… nist still are on the same ideas as 25 years ago ….

• 2. g_cedar | September 12th, 2008 at 10:11 pm

  He’ll never be forgotten…he lives in the hearts and minds. He belongs to the ages!

• 3. Rodge | September 12th, 2008 at 10:51 pm

  We’ve lost everything when we lost Bashir, and we’ll never see asecond Bahir, not in a million years.
  I don’t think Bashir will rest in peace, he can’t while his Lebanon, the Lebanon he dreamt of and was able to achieve, is still far from reach, and it’s getting much far with time.

• 4. paul | September 12th, 2008 at 11:14 pm

  The future needs memory.

• 5. THERESINIA | September 13th, 2008 at 12:22 am

  A GIANT !!! Intelligent, Honest, Sincere, Humble, and Patriot.

• 6. Fuziyad | September 13th, 2008 at 4:59 am

  uff uff uff, difficult subject for me especially when I have to share my thoughts with my alllies in m14 and my brothers in LF and kataeb…

  Our diversity is what makes m14 so strong in its ideology and objectives but so incompetant in its execution…

  I come from a family of ethnically christian, but secular and yassari family…

  I was raised with my parents telling me that kataeb and lf were a bunch of intolerant fascists… But growing up in tallat el soumooud, I also had my grand parents, uncles, neighbors or schoolmates telling me my parents were idiots and the rest of the propaganda and/or political ideas chabeb el mante2 el sharkiyé know…

  I never knew who to trust and I still don’t…

  To cut a long story short, beirut spring partially tought me where to stand…. Yes, politically the christians were right, and in no way that land should be used for wars which are not ours.(with all due respect to the palestinian cause which i still consider as a necesseary fight for a fair world).

  HOWEVER we have to admit as lebanese christians, especially if we are nour hal chark, that we made mistakes…We, as christians didn’t want to share lebanon with other communities just as the shiias through hezbollah are doing today…

  Today m14 is what was right in the christian cause back in 1975 and what was right with the muslims(power sharing) at that time…

  Sawrat el arz (and youtube) pushed me further into understanding al bache and why he died some around me weren’t really sad and why some saw it as a catastrophy…

  Overall what I’ve learnt about the bache and lebanese politics in general lately made me bit more pro LF. What I have been feeling about HA, its policies and those supporting them made me understand better the madness into which the moujtama3 el massi7é jumped into in the 70’s…

  This of course doesn’t excuse the massacres of karantina, sabt el aswad, tal el za3tar and sabra and chatila…don’t talk to me about damour or about elie hobeika or even about survival…what we did was WRONG and bashir didn’t think it was…

  Even if politically, on a large scale am pro bach ideology, I definitely can’t consider him as a saint…

  Bashir IS the great martyr of lebanon and especially of its christians…the greatest thing el bache has done was giving hope to the christians and reinforce their faith in the fact they had all their due rights on that lands. The reason we are loosing ground today is due mainly to the fact the christians lost that faith. And I can be as secular as I want, in that stinky country and world mindset, am christian and the ehbat that has hit the christians of lebanon habatné kamen…

  But a last critisim…are the pro bach pro 10452 or pro ta2sim.??those who read or lived history know that bashir changed his mind on this topic…bashir was pro ta2sim against the will of his father and of amin and later, when through israel ,he thought the christians could make it and dominate the whole country he started talking 10452…

  Where do his followers stand now? can’t be both!! it’s in full contradiction…and personnaly eventough I could look as a peace and love dreaming boy am more in the ta2sim camp.

  Lebanon, a failed state…

  PS: It’s 5AM, I am a bit drunk and had to spit what i spiited….hope I didn’t make myself too many enemies…

  WANABKA

• 7. sam | September 13th, 2008 at 11:26 am

  Fuziad… i told you biye3jibne rasak man… we do diferentiate in ideology.. but i do respect the fact that you are thinking man…
  dont let al ta3assoub that is dominating the mentality of most of the lebanese these days stop you from thinking…or blind you …
  best regards

• 8. paul | September 13th, 2008 at 12:05 pm

  Fuziyad,LILWA7YI LAYSA LISSIKRI YAN3ASIROU J.KHALIL.J i think sheikh Bachir wanted no TA2sim,then he was practically the president in east beirut.

• 9. Rima | September 13th, 2008 at 2:41 pm

  Fuziad

  I like your Post, I agree with you I don’t think Bashir was ghandi… His style is a resistance style.
  Regarding the toukssim or unity of Lebanon, I think it has to do with the will of the people. Democracy is about the fulfillment of the will of the people and not the will of a charismatic leader.

  So in our current situation, it is obvious that Pro-HA people, whether indoctrinated or not, seem more and more inclined towards the Wilayat el Fakih and the Iranina lifesyle and ideology. However, If they decide to separate from Lebanon, they can do it easier than what we expect…they don’t want to let go the remaining part of Lebanon because it guarantees the diplomatic, political and economic cover necessary to their survival…who is going to recognize a mini-Iran?
  What makes me angry is the inability of the 14th March to grasp that part and their insistence on Hiwar and all the nonsense…rah yirouh el balad we hinne baadoun bil hiwar….You need a strong will, a Bachir gemayel Style to say NO ENOUGH IS ENOUGH: lEBANON IS NOT IRAN…AND IF YU LIKE IT THEN LET’S DIVORCE GUYS UNTIL YOU ARE CONVINCED THAT WE CAN LIVE TOGETHER…BUT NO ONE YET PROVED TO BE THAT STRONG….As we are all witnessing, the inactivity and weakness of 14th March is opening the door to radicalism…We need strong leaders not COWARDS…and honestly, 14 MArch leaders are just cowards and below the expectation of the cedar revolution…WHY DO WE NEED A REVOLUTION IF WE END UP SURRENDERING EVERY BIT OF POWER WE GOT….WHAT A REVOLUTION????

• 10. mark | September 13th, 2008 at 6:29 pm

  Guys, I have a problem with all of this.. Well, actually two problems.

  The first one is related to crime. Samir geagea is known and reputated across the country for being a warlord and a criminal of war; wether you like him or not (especially if you don’t), you cannot argue with this. On the other hand, Bachir has killed as much as Samir, if not more (I think more, a looot more), and yet he is a hero and every bullet fired from his gun has been justified and forgotten by our community. We have got to a point where if a christian says he doesn’t like Bachir or anything remotely related to that matter, he is a traitor and an unworthy of his religion. I think, regardless of how much good Bachir has done for us, we should never never never forget that he too used violence to get to his goals (how do you think he became president? He forced every deputee to go to the parliament…), and that nobody, and i mean nobody, could say anything wrong freely about him or the way he acted back then(why don’t you ask former TELE LIBAN general manager, Charles Rizk), and yet if somebody were to mention that, he would be booed off the country.

  The second one is about what Bachir did for us. Sure he did a lot of great stuff, and i mean a lot. Besides the roads, auxilia i think (or sesobel i dont know), lbc (which was called ‘tele bachir’ by the pubic at first), jobs and salaries, Bachir assured security in our regions: the sunnis wouldnt even dare look at charkiyye. And I couldnt be more grateful for all that, i mean if it werent for him and the young kataeb boys who protected us (even though they werent kataebs at first: the kataeb recruited,armed and payed them after seeing what good job they were each doing in their regions), the country would be palestinian now.. But i cannot help but to realise that what bachir did wasnt exactly entirely altruist. I mean he secured the area where he lived, giving him power and respect amongst the citizen, therefore reinforcing his party and getting him higher and higher on the political scale. I am saying that he didnt do it all for free (and i am not just talking of how much the kataeb stole from the port under his watch), im talking about what all that good could do for him. thats mostly why he did it all…

  Bachir had lots of flaws, he was a dictatorial and violent man who was just hungry with power, dont forget he killed every man who didnt want to join the lf.

  once again, plz dont kill me verbally for what ive said.. i like bachir (kind of) for what he did for us, but i cant close my eyes on what he did for himself.

• 11. Rasheed | September 13th, 2008 at 10:20 pm

  Rima #9: Totally agree regarding the leadership of March 14.

  Walid is at best a paper tiger. And with friends like him, who needs enemies?!

  Saad is soft as silk, and is yet to grow b*lls.

  Ex-Qornet Shahwan is too busy bickering about elections and the gender of angels.

  The only ray of hope seems to be coming from Samir at this point. But the LF has a long way to go to assume leadership of the coalition.

• 12. Rima | September 14th, 2008 at 2:30 am

  Mark

  Remember defending yourself entails killing…it is like an official army defending people against genocide and they should be called heroes not criminals…they did not go to Palestine to massacre the palestinians or North or South to kill muslims…they were squizzed in one area…It is like kill or be killed situation?

  They did what they did in the name of you and me in the name of the community. Does that make us crimninals as well?

• 13. Tony | September 14th, 2008 at 6:05 pm

  Mark bakher timak wa2ta t2oul Bachir gemayel!!!

  Awal shi sheikh bashir ahsan w ashraf shakhes da3as 3a ard lebnen!!

  Michel aoun hassouna w hatta Samir geagea ma byeswo el ard el da3as 3laya w sheikh amin gemayel ta ma t2oul ana ma 3am bhet fare2!!!

  Sheikh Bashir gemayel defa3 3ana w 3an el lebneniyeh min hol el hayawanet el philistiniyeh hayala wahad bedo yeje sawbna badna n3al2o tayeb min syria la philistine.

  w ma tensa shou el sheikh bashir gemayel neha koudiso hatha el shark wa SHAYATINAHOU!!

• 14. nora | September 17th, 2008 at 11:07 am

  di3anak ya Bashir…

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