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• 1. Al (Ex-Anonymous) | July 1st, 2009 at 6:00 pm

  “LF & Kataeb are the backbone of the Christian community today”
  Not very accurate my friend, you have Aoun who unfortunately has at least as much Christians on his side as the other two entities you mentioned.
  To be a backbone, you must have majority, which unfortunately nobody has for the moment.
  going back to your post… We all know what joumblatt is made of. So I’m not too surprised by his new U-Turn. I’m just curious to see how far he’s gonna go this time… This will be the real scoop in my opinion…a visit to Syria maybe?

• 2. hochoz | July 1st, 2009 at 7:24 pm

  I think he knows what he’s doing, raising the roof for a better share in the government knowing that m14 christians have an actual advantage ( lf have 8, kataeb 5, plus independants )

• 3. Reader27 | July 1st, 2009 at 8:22 pm

  From Junblat to Hariri and all the way down to Carlos eddi, M14 failed its principles and people.

• 4. INCO | July 1st, 2009 at 9:52 pm

  sorry to be so not up to date but what did jumblatt say and what did the gemayels say?

• 5. charbel | July 1st, 2009 at 10:29 pm

  What your point in having Stirda’s picture with Jumblat?

• 6. hochoz | July 2nd, 2009 at 1:00 am

  Reader27,
  let the actual M14 people be the judges… tell me if aoun not getting his 35 seats has disappointed the M8 people…..

  Inco,
  Jumblatt is back to calling us in3izalliye, or hinting at it….Then Sami Gemayel stated that kataeb and ouwet aren’t ashamed of their past and that we’re the ones that started the “lubnan awwalan” idea even before hariri adopted it as a slogan…. then jumblatt said that Sami Gemayel’s just excited and that falastine and 3ouroube comes awwalan….then Dr Geagea and Amine Gemayel said that the concept of lebanon first doesn’t necessarily mean we’re isolating ourselves from our surroundings, but it just means that our people come as a priority…..etc…

• 7. hochoz | July 2nd, 2009 at 1:03 am

  “….they need to assume this responsibility to the max, despite the incompetence and lack of true leadership in both parties….”

  N,
  you should give the leadership a break…. They’re doing the best with what they have….. yalla 2013’s on the way, the more ground we have, the more action you’d see….

• 8. Doc1559 | July 2nd, 2009 at 1:51 am

  An amazing politician, le3ib siyesseh 3lameh without any principles whatsoever.

  He managed to win the massi7iye votes in jabal Lebnen after he called then jiness 3tiil. I don’t get it !!! According to you GMA huwe al 3ttil..

  He succeeded in taking conservatives Christians and their church away from their roots and managed to get the votes of those kids whose fathers are not with them bcuz Junbat took their souls away… I don’t get it !! According to you GMA huwe al 3ttil..

  About a year ago I wrote that junblat will go back to HA and visit syria if required and here he is lol.. History repeats itself ya chabeb or should I say ya in3zeliye ?

  Next flip-flop : Junblat will join the mu3rada!! Mu3rada will become the majority and kha** 3la heke zo3ma w heke siyessiye bi M14..

  You guys are so far away from your intikhabet slogans and promises about democracy w lubnan awalan w liberty and and and .. ?? Remember Italian facism and Hitler promised their people one thing and committed another. There are 2 points of agrement between the two of them. Both of them failed their people..

  Welcome to Lebanon..

• 9. Doc1559 | July 2nd, 2009 at 2:00 am

  Reader 27

  Spare carlos eddi plz. At least he’s an honest man .. at least he didn’t bow dow.. At least he didn’t ben-d over to the saudi daddy

  Important principles may, and must be inflexibleee ( lincoln)..

• 10. Doc1559 | July 2nd, 2009 at 2:02 am

  LEK N10452 CHU 7ILO :

  The LF & Kataeb are the backbone of the Christian community today, they need to assume this responsibility to the max, despite the incompetence and lack of true leadership in both parties.

  answer: You’re bad to the bone ya N10452 … khalik 50-50 bala backbone !!

• 11. Rima | July 2nd, 2009 at 2:58 am

  SHOU ousseit Jumblat wel 3ouroubeh we falsatine!!!! I am pretty sure he does not believe in all that BS.

  I am afraid he is trying to excite the youngesters in the parliament for a purpose

• 12. Che | July 2nd, 2009 at 6:18 am

  Jumblatt is looking at Sethrida with a hideous sexual appetite and thinking to himself: how I crave to get into the cleavage of one of the most beautiful politicians in the world before I switch sides to M8 and die!

  Sethrida Geagea thinking to herself: I cannot believe this old swine smiling at my bosoms! I should slap the bastard since he’s leaving us anyway to M8!

• 13. Amin | July 2nd, 2009 at 6:43 am

  sara7atan ana ma ba3rif l baik la wain he is going.
  bas i know one thing,
  2abl l inti5abet w ma3 mercel ghanim, all the time walid baik was talking about the sera3 l 2oumam w 3an l wadi3 b iran w yemen w falasteen…
  fa 3ala tool haik l baik, w ma byotla3 min 14M walid baik kirmalo l hariri with 14M, w ma b za3lo lal batrak and im 100% sure of this.

  ya N w ya DOC.
  u all know meen dafa3 l taman b 7May,
  l druz sunna wil shi3a.
  bas aktar shi l shi3a wil druz,
  fa iza kteer maz3oujeen min fikrit zyarit l baik 3ind HA, yi3ni into badkoun yena ndal mi5tilfeen ma3 l shee3a, w this mana b masla7otna la ni7na w la lshee3a w 7atta all the lebanese,

  w 2osit libnan 2awalan ill ask abt it ma kint mtabi3 l wadi3 mnee7.

  as i used to say, give them some time, let us see the new 7okomeh, w let us pray timro2 hal sayfeyeh bala mashakil.

  regards,
  Amin

• 14. hochoz | July 2nd, 2009 at 6:52 am

  Doc15595747474XXX,

  are you trying to persuade us to leave m14?…Inno what’s the logic behind ur reasoning?….So if jumblatt is a flip-flop, which is a given, does that make aoun someone to be followed?…. Thumbs up on the reasoning…

  Now let’s see how you do on this question: if M14 christians often disagree with jumblatt and hariri while aoun has no opinion whatsoever on hezballah’s position in anything, does that make M14 christians followers?….

• 15. hochoz | July 2nd, 2009 at 7:10 am

  Rima,

  Jumblatt is doing what’s best for his people on the long end, which is staying away from any internal conflicts, having proper relations with the east (mostly syria) and the west…. It is what it is, dirty politics, he’s trying to isolate lf and kataeb lay7ajjimoun.. They on the other end, are actually dealing well with any pressure, very impressive…. Same was the case when they scored a point by not voting for Berry… I got my vote’s worth already

• 16. N10452 | July 2nd, 2009 at 9:04 am

  There is no point in the picture Charbel

• 17. paul | July 2nd, 2009 at 2:54 pm

  i can’t believe that the same god has created streda,and walid.

• 18. Reader27 | July 2nd, 2009 at 5:22 pm

  Doc

  Question:

  Will a new political alliance between tayyar/hizeb and Hariri satisfy you ? Or are you going to isolate those who disagree with you (ex what Junblat is doing now) ?

• 19. PIERRE | July 2nd, 2009 at 8:22 pm

  Kataeb and LF need to consetrate on improving there base and organization. Reform the parties and turn them into true democratic parties that respect the wishes of its partisans. We should always responde when attacked, but im getting tired of he says she says politics. Lets get to work and show the people of Lebanon what the kataeb and LF can do in reforming and improving the ministries they have and introducing new laws.

• 20. Doc1559 | July 3rd, 2009 at 7:05 pm

  hochoz

  Hey I am only stating facts about Junblat and You people. Truth hurts buddy ! You have been fooled and lied to by your own alliance. Now fool someone else habub..

  What words describes someone who doesn’t care about he/she says ? A: junblat, not aoun.. Aoun is a Lebanese leader who has nationwide support, junblat is a hypocrite who calls his alliance cha3eb in3izeleh w jiness 3tiil but still manages to get their votes in jabal Lebnen !!! There’s really no comparison my friend. It is like comparing Samir geagea to Bashir Gmayel! G, go figure..

  As for M14 follower, YES THEY ARE brain washed followers who suffer the unconsious mind ( unconsious mind is a storehouse of forgotten memories , ideas and fustration) otherwise they won’t be casting their votes for someone who calls them jiness 3till, someone who killed them, someone who kicked them out of their houses, someone who doesnt give a f*** about them.. someoen who belives that they are TATARUF MASSI7I.. fo2 kell hayda sawatulu NKEYE BI MICHEL AOUN BASS… Shame..There’s another extremely important factor there, they must move, speak and act power when needed but unfortunately they simply don’t !! michkiltak..

  HA and Aoun are 2 different party ya hochoz, chu nssit ? do you also suffer the unconsious mind ? Aoun is one thing, hizeb is another, when they disagree on issued, they call eachothers and work the problem out mish BYUTL3OO 3LA TV W BISSIBO BA3ED..

  Money and power beget money and power. Hariri has it all. You have the money but lack the power.. untill you regain the power you had 30 years ago, things are not going to improve…

  At last, in the battle of life, victory will go to those who find the right weapons and use it when needed (whether military , education, politically ect..).. ..

  Fool me once shame on you, fool me 1559 shame on me ..

• 21. Doc1559 | July 3rd, 2009 at 7:11 pm

  Amin

  Mish sa3be ktir la ta3ref when al bayk raye7.. intu al druze ( sorry to say that) ma3 3indkun aya bu3od demoghraphy (demography) bil manta2. ya3ne ma ilkun 2illa syria w jabal al druze .. when badkun tru7o gher hek ? Walid bayk ktir zake w bya3ref chu 3m bissir..w bya3ref 2inu al massi7iye ken badun yeh yfut ma3rake ma3 al shiaa la hine yitfaraju 3leh.. al bayk azke min al kell sadi2neh..

  Take care..

• 22. Doc1559 | July 3rd, 2009 at 7:15 pm

  amin

  on my 21

  Massi7iyit 14 azar to be specific…

• 23. Maximus | July 3rd, 2009 at 7:24 pm

  kullu ummaten kawyat itba3uha wahfazuni fi kulubikum…

• 24. J-T | July 4th, 2009 at 12:01 am

  Doc

  Money and power beget money and power!!

  I agree with you!

• 25. Delta | July 4th, 2009 at 12:48 am

  Doc 1559

  Just to be clear nihna ma badna hadda yfout bi hadda bass badna nherib hadda min herbo ma mnib3at hadda 3leh winta lezim ta3ref ahsan min ghayrak its not us who shipped warriors from other countries to fight for us in the name of jihad :p

  correct me if i amwrong

• 26. Fuziyad | July 4th, 2009 at 3:54 am

  Doc, wel beik habibak ma ken zaké abel? ma ken 3eref yallé enta bt3arfo wa2t ken baddo yehro2 el akhdar wel yabess??

• 27. Reader27 | July 4th, 2009 at 4:11 am

  Doc

  Ya khaye, your prediction regarding Junblat and Hariri was a master piece fhemna 3lek but the loss is much bigger than that ya doc. It is Lebanon and you know that I know you care !!

• 28. hochoz | July 4th, 2009 at 7:05 am

  Doc,

  these facts you are talking about have either been biased by your admiration towards aoun ( which is unlikely), or by you refusing to take a neutral approach to any fact because of your political affiliations….

  Let us start by a few simple facts….

  1. Nobody can deny that Walid Jumblat has no ethics or principles when it comes to politics… However a deal was made in the mountains between the lf and jumblat that was advantageous for both parties…If you check the ministry of interior’s numbers in the shouf region…you’d see that more than 50% of the christians gave jumblatt votes in return for him giving them most of the druze people’s votes….so what u claimed about victims of jumblatt being fooled was biased and unacceptable. Nobody expected the man to change….

  2. You do realize that the ouwet and the kataeb could take their own decisions independant of hariri’s or jumblat’s acts… The M14 alliance is based on certain commun terms but does not force any party to give any compromises regarding its independant entity….

  3. A simple observation of demographics based on the % of christian votes in every region could easily show that the ouwet has earned all of its seats with pure christian majority before adding the sunni or druze votes, (zahle more than 50% of christians in addition to the sunni votes, batroun easy sweep, koura also, shouf, and bcharry)… To be objective, you must admit that as a Lebanese Forces Party, Samir Geagea owes nothing to anybody… On the other hand, aoun fell short on christian support in most of the regions he won…

  4. Geagea was offered a Beirut 3rd district seat by Hariri (Evangelical MP) which he refused because he did not want any deputees which he did not earn….Emile Rahme however was happy to join Aoun…

  5. The l.f. ideology is mostly a right wing political approach on most matters making it impossible for us to meet with hezballah on any common ground… The best we could have with hezballah is another M14-like agreement which would have us agreeing on certain vague titles such as Lebanon’s sovereignty…

  6. It is undeniable that at least 50% of the christians do feel threatened by hezbollah’s weapons…. And hezbollah’s actions as a party hasn’t really helped any peaceful cohabitation between us and them….
  Nihna mich ahel zimme ya Doc…
  Bass el id lawa7da ma bitza22if….we need to open up and allie with other sects… Jumblat and his flip-flopping and backstabbing would be of a lesser destructive impact to our entity than allying with an armed party which would force us to make a lot of compromises at the expense of our political beliefs…

  Yalla cheers,

• 29. Doc1559 | July 5th, 2009 at 2:19 am

  hochoz my friend..

  Im sorry for being so late in replying to
  your comment but its the FORCE (fourth) of july here ya3ne a celebration of American Independence !! I am celebrating the independence of my second country lmao

  Anyway, you didnt have to waste your valuable time writing me a newspaper and searching for the answers , you and I know very well that both sides are wrong, you guys are SABITUN for now but dunno for how much longer you are going to remain SABET.

  A month ago , I wrote to my friend kezballah about the wolf in sheep’s clothing(saad al hariri) and the wolf in wolf’s clothing(junblat) , Kezballah didn’t like what I said back then bcuz he like any other M14 followers had faith in M14, well this is not the case anymore. My point is this on your 1,2 & 3 above :

  A person or a party who is forced to choose between 2 or more strongly held political values is experiencing an INTERNAL VALUE CONFLICT. As for ouwet, they were torn between loyalty to their people and martyrs and loyalty to their ” saf awal” alliance in M14. You chose to roll with them and sacrificed so many times and lost alot of supporters at one point ( some supporters in this blog as well) and at the end you went back to zone 1 !! ku2na chay2an lam yakun !! 7aram al 3lam… why didnt you open an honest dialogue with the other side so you didnt have to go through all this ??? Also, A simple observation of demographics based on the % of christian votes in every region could easily show that AOUN is also a strong Christian representative at one level and a Lebanese one on another.. No doubt there, go do the math.

  HA’s weapon is a hot political issue that just won’t cool off my friend and it will not be solved unless the root of the conflict is addressed. I do understand your position and I do agree that 50% of the Christians ( your side ) feel theratened by it ,but again, we have to solve the root of the problem first. The warae2t tafehum was a good move by GMA, but more work need to be done from your side. Think about it.. HA are here and are not going anywhere , callling them what N10452 and others keep calling them won’t help you. I am a shiaa and I know very well how HA think.

  @ point 5 , the most important thing you said..yes LF are Christian left wingers and HA are shiaa conservatives, they go the opposite way . FM call themselve moderate but act according to saudi shariaa map and hariri’s behaviour is the perfect example.. Now tell me CHU AL 7AL ?? Obviously we are a helpless case 7aram an open wound that won’t heal bcuz of our fake democratic system and fake we7de wataniye and ta2fiye at it best and mazhabiye add ma badak. Hstorically speaking, we have been killing eachothers since nov 23 1943… Don’t you think its time to change the system ? Don’t you think we’re due for a new nizam ? Only a secular system supported by a secular man in charge can solve the problem. Only when we separate church/mosque from state is when we can live in peace.. Only Aoun can do this… Enough with this religion garbage state. Time to move on… Turkey is the best example..

  Thx and forgive me for my grammar and writting.. I am on the going all the tiem..

• 30. Doc1559 | July 5th, 2009 at 2:23 am

  Fuziyad

  Ken bush bil 7ikem w ken meche 7alla USA.. al bayk byemche ma3 al wa2if… Hala2 Obama bil 7ukum w mano meche 7alla USA.. w saret BALAD NOSS ICHTIRAKEH !! Capitalism has failed !! Al bayk mabssut hayk..

  Will America ever recover ya fuziyad ? Or marxism will dominate as promised by them ???

  Think about it…

• 31. Doc1559 | July 5th, 2009 at 2:26 am

  Delta

  Happy force (fourth) of july for you .. intu kamen ken fi 3indkun mukatilin min surriya … 7ALABJIYE bil te7did…. hayda gher al issra2liye yalle se3dukun w mechyu ma3kon .. khalassss ba2 .. li ra7 ra7.. balish min jdid..

• 32. Fuziyad | July 5th, 2009 at 5:49 am

  ha ha ha…chou hal doc…ennak ta3mel 7alak fehmen bel siyyéssé chi bi da7ek bass kamen sert economist??? on aura tout vu…

  The US became socialist?? the rules of capitalism has changed?? I suggest we replace bernanke by wafic safa..things will be better…

  Will marxism dominate???? ha ha ha…he said it…wmfakkar 7alo kamachné….

  Tell me about liver functionning…serisously …bass plse plse plse leave politics and economiy

• 33. hochoz | July 5th, 2009 at 7:48 am

  Doc,

  So we do agree to disagree while living peacefully….

  Halla2 both of us realise that it is not the resistance that hezballah’s carrying against the state of Israel (until a solution that pleases all parties could be reached) that is threatening my part of the population….. It is more the repercussions that come with a part of the population handling weapons while the other part would stand still….
  Should I remind you that we’re not that far from your experience with weapons?….. When the lebanese forces was carrying its own resistance against Syria, the resistance wasn’t what had at least half of the shar2iyyeh population against us, it was more the fact that at a certain point, the leadership wasn’t able to control the whole craze that came with being above the law (or representing the actual law in the region)… I’d have to say that roughly 10% of the L.F.’s fighting elite were bypassing their authority to initiate in several za3ranet…This is a common problem among all militias, resistances…etc…

  Over the past years, many incidents have occurred involving hezbollah militiamen or any parties backed by the hezb, to name a few: the maya keyrouz incident, the guys in baalback shooting at the army (the ja3far family), the incident where two tour buses were taken by force from the impound two days ago….etc.
  The hezb being unable to control some of its people would lead to a feeling of dismay, or even despise of the hezb by the rest of the population…. Dbato chabebkoun…

  As for the secular country approach, I am not against it although I would highly doubt the establishement of such a state in lebanon…. Plus we’d have to go for federalism for christians not to become ahel zimme in the country (demographics would give muslims a majority and unless most of the people are atheist that would make us ahel zimmeh in our own country)….

  Finally, among all politicians, you’d give full responsability of the secular country to Michel Aoun? ….
  Khayye why not go for such people as Nassib Lahoud, Boutrous Harb, even Carlos Edde,….ya khayye Ziad Baroud’s working hard…. Michel Aoun has proven to have no integrity by at least switching sides once
  by stepping over his brave soldiers’ souls and visiting Syria…

  Yalla, Cheers to a 4th of July ….

• 34. kezballah | July 5th, 2009 at 2:24 pm

  Doc, I have to correct you man, I did not react to your comment about wolves because I am a follower of M14, here is what I said:

  “Doc it is a sad day when you call Israel more honest than half of your own country, you can simply say that M14 is working wrong if this is what you believe and explain how, but clearly you are following Aoun’s example of dividing and attacking to eliminate the other, and Nasrallah example of inventing stories”

  Our comments are at http://www.ouwet.com/ynot/elections-09/ou3a-t7ota/#comments

  I did not change my mind about trusting M14, there are things I like and things I don’t like about the M14 group, but M8 don’t give me a choice to support them on some things they are doing good because of their weapons and war philosophy, for me this is a bigger issue than Jumblat saying stupid things or Hariri going to Saudi Arabia. Give the army your weapons and then we can talk politics with you.

• 35. ja3far | July 5th, 2009 at 2:54 pm

  K… and what willl happen after we give the army our weapon ?

• 36. Delta | July 5th, 2009 at 3:07 pm

  happy forth to u too , we never had halabiyeh fighting with us and u know better lets keep it real, we definitely had Isreal support not because they like us but it the common cause the existence of minorities in the MEA and Personally i am not ashamed of having Isreal on my Side. to a certain extend i feel god is on my side ( GOd said to abraham father of ishmael i will make ur deseendence as many as the stars of heaven no one will be able to count them and i will defend them till the end.

• 37. Delta | July 5th, 2009 at 3:08 pm

  I think its Genesis 14 or 15 look it up its fun to read and learn

• 38. ja3far | July 5th, 2009 at 3:22 pm

  Delta… God will defend someone whether he did right or wrong.. just for his genes? so god was supportive when they crusading jesus?

• 39. kezballah | July 5th, 2009 at 4:13 pm

  ja3far, after you give your arms to the army life will go on like it is in every other normal country that has a respectable government, we will not be like Somalia anymore. We will all be equal citizen in our country, we will all be under the law and we can compete in a democratic way with political speech only not with weapons.

  Life will not be perfect all of a sudden but we will have a better chance to improve our country, if the USA want to implant the Palestinians or if Israel violate the Southern border you will see all Lebanese parties stand with the government and the army against it, if the Hariri economic policy is unfair you can see LF meeting with Hezbollah political party to oppose it, ETC..

  There will be disadvantages for sure, if someone in Da7ieh wants to liberate a bus by force they can not do it anymore

• 40. ja3far | July 5th, 2009 at 4:30 pm

  3amahlak k.. chwayi chwayi.. i am sure you are smart enough to know that the bus thing was made by the carrage owner in alliance to other people , same as so many other similar stories.. days will show.. but meanwhile ma3leesh jisimna labeess.. zitouwa 3layna

  now back to the weapons issue… let us go step by step.. israel is throwing threats on us every day, and we both know that israel do take revenge whenever possible of those who stand against it. during the ghaza cease fire last year israel assacinated 36 palestinians … now i appreciate your patriotism and love for the country, but do you think the lebanese army is trained and has the capability to stand against an israeli agression if made tomorrow, even if he took the weapons of HA? we both know that the arabic armies had plenty of weapons in 67 and 73..

• 41. kezballah | July 5th, 2009 at 4:56 pm

  Ja3far walaw I always try to be careful chway chway (wa laken joulla man youkhte2), if you notice I said if “someone” in Da7ieh wants to do something by force, maybe it is not a HA member but when you have a situation of illegal weapons in the hand of one party it always spread to other people, my friend as you know well no one in Lebanon’s history was jismo labbis as much as LF and Kata2eb, every az3ar who did a crime in East Beirut was accused to be LF and after the war it became a joke to say hol Ouwet 2ilon 2eed fiya…

  Anyways about your question, with all respect but the weak army problem is not the reason that HA gave for keeping their weapons, they said after Chebaa and the prisoners they will give their weapons, but we are finding that they did not tell the truth and they want to keep the weapons forever (did you hear the speech one HA leader gave in Syria few weeks ago that HA will never give their weapons because in the world those who don’t have weapons don’t have power?).

  And why we don’t start to transfer the HA strength to the army and make guerilla units so we can defend against Israel attacks, when will this army ever be strong if we keep saying it is weak and we don’t do anything to change it? Is it a requirement to have Nasrallah the commander so we can win against Israel? Is it necessary to have a religious resistance that depends on Iran to succeed? I don’t think so, I think these are excuses, we can build a great army that doesn’t fight like the Egyptian army in 1973. Look at Syria, did they make a resistance? No they keep building their army, and they have much more occupied by Israel than Chebaa.

• 42. ja3far | July 5th, 2009 at 5:15 pm

  K… i am with building a strong army, and we have said that we are with building a stron army.. SHN even said we will bring arms from iran to make him a stron army, a sentence that was used against him in the election .. u remember?
  we both know that there is a veto on the type of weapons our army is allowed to have . what type of arms do we get? the one used for internal conflicts.. u know that very well.. do we ever get any real anti aircaft missiles? do you remember what happened when the french UN soldiers wanted to bring anti aircaft missles to the south ? are we allowed to have serious anti tanks missles? how do u want to build a strong army? take the decision first. things should go step by step, when those leaders are sitting behind the table to descuss a defense strategy, let them start by showing they do really care.. not just repeat, remove your weapons remove your weapons… if they dont really show serious concerns, they they do really care about defending those people, about the israeli plane that is braking the lebanese sovereinghty every day.. why would i lay down the only thing protecting me and my family?

• 43. kezballah | July 5th, 2009 at 5:39 pm

  Ja3far, I agree that there is veto from the West to give the army useful weapons, we all know it and we saw it for 50 years, but we also saw in the war that when you have the will and the money you can get anything (even the PLO in 1982 got weapons from Israeli soldiers to fight Israel during the invasion), so the Southerner should be inside the government project to make sure there is the will and the money to have a strong army to protect him, not outside the government on his own.

  I think the best guarantee in the long term for the Southerner to be protected from outside AND inside is to be a big part of the government project not to say to the other “ma badna shi menkon bass fekko 3anna” like Nasrallah said in the 2006 war, and if you are working with the others inside Lebanon then you will not feel abandoned or betrayed like when you accused M14 that they abandon and betray you in 2006, because when the Sunni or Christian are against your weapons they will not care or help if you choose to fight alone but when you are with them inside the government then the Christian and Sunni leaders will not dare to abandon the Southerner because the Christian and Sunni people will be with you.

  If we want to live together in one country we have to trust each other in everything, if we don’t want to trust then let’s split into different parts, I don’t have a problem with the first model or the second model but I don’t want to live “la m3alla2 wa la mtalla2″

• 44. ja3far | July 5th, 2009 at 7:18 pm

  K.. SHN said for three years” we want houkoumat charaka wataniya; he didnt say to the other lebanese fikou 3ana; he said it to some arabs like egypt and Jordan.. and his speech was clear.. i can give u a link if u want ..

  Even when HA was giving his program for the election , he was talking about charaka fil houkoum if we win.. while the M14 was talking about not participating in…

  ba3deen how do you talk about trusting the other while you still call half of the lebanese terrorists? insisting on using the same language used by the israeli?
  SHN said after the election, that we lost , the M14 can rule by themselves, but we are ready to take part in building the country.. if we want to take part it should be under certain rules, you dont like it you can rule by yourself.. then u write on this blog calling SHN terrorist and liar.. where did he lie in that? how can we trust u if you are insisting on going to the extreme in increasing the hattered? if we were the terrorists u are promoting it would have ended long time ago.. and u know that..

  lebanon is for all of us , and we have to learn to accpet each others differences, and work to make it for our benefits.. and i only believe in the first model.. no other choice.. ” akbar min an youbla3, asghar min an youkassam”

• 45. kezballah | July 5th, 2009 at 7:57 pm

  ja3far no need to give me the link I agree with you Nasrallah was addressing the arabs but we were in the same boat as the arabs he never asked us for anything before the war and during the war and after the war for reconstruction, we were spectators in our own country we didn’t participate in the decision or the fight or even give our opinion, if you really care to know how we feel and why we oppose this Hezbollah situation then this is an example I gave you.

  About charaka wataniya when I say you should be inside the government I don’t mean with your weapons You can not be an equal partner with all your weapons, I also mean inside the government like under the law, right now you are inside the government with Berri and outside it with Nasrallah, Berri is a ta7ayol 3ala 2al kanoun (or tazaki if you prefer) we want real partnership.

  There was many types of speeches from M14 and M8, some were positive some negative like calling each other traitors and terrorists, it is not an easy situation that Syria and Israel put us in and in many cases both sides were traitors and terrorists, but today only one side is bigger than the government and putting us under the sword.

  Finally I have two opinions that I think you should think about them since you are open to hear even the view you don’t like, you are right that with HA weapons you can do a lot of damage to all Lebanon and this is what worries us and why we are against it, but don’t think that with these weapons you can end it and win, it is very very wrong to think that and it has been proved many times since 6000 years. It is also OK to think that the first model is the best one, but there is never never never only one solution to anything, it is never no other choice.

• 46. ja3far | July 5th, 2009 at 9:44 pm

  K… between year 2000 and 2006 the southern frontier was never completely calm, there have been several accidents and the israeli soldiers killed many farmers on several occasions.
  SHN didnt leave any speach in those 6 years but mentioned liberating the prisoners under the highest priority.
  HA went into al 7ilef al roba3i under the title of resistance and liberating the prisoners in the israeli jails. the government of sanioura was formed with the resistance and liberating the prisoners on al bayen al wiseri… so what u mean u were a spectator and u werent involved in the decision? ma al ouwet was a partner in al hilef al rouba3i.. or u are used to arab leaders who just give speaches and promisses for nothing?
  then do u know who took the contracting project of removing the debris in dahie? he was the son of al arab, the man who died with harriri for more then 10 $ a ton, while others offered 4 $ so if your partners didnt give u share in the reconstruction it was because they divided it among themselves…

  now regarding your last point.. i didnt say if we want to win i was talking about being terrorist, about making the damage .. and honestly we both know what is the result of terror..i am sure that hareb al jabal and east of saida do ring a bell the same way Al nab3a ring a bell for me.. and i will not pretend we are

• 47. ja3far | July 5th, 2009 at 9:57 pm

  K… between year 2000 and 2006 the southern frontier was never completely calm, there have been several accidents and the israeli soldiers killed many farmers on several occasions.
  SHN didnt leave any speech in those 6 years in which he didnt mention liberating the prisoners under the highest priority.

  HA went into al 7ilef al roba3i under the title of resistance and liberating the prisoners in the israeli jails. the government of sanioura was formed with the resistance and liberating the prisoners on al bayen al wiseri… so what u mean u were a spectator and u weren’t involved in the decision? al ouwet and most of the lebanese, except Aoun were in al hilef al rouba3i… And approved on that… or are u used to arab leaders who just give speeches and promises for nothing?

  then do u know who took the contracting project of removing the debris in dahie? he was the son of al arab, the man who died with harriri. He took the project for more then 10 $ a ton, while others offered 4 $. if your partners didnt give u share in the reconstruction it was because they divided it among themselves…

  now regarding your last point.. i didnt say if we want to win,and govern .. we have always said that Lebanon cannot be governed by one group only… i was talking about being terrorist, about making the damage .. and honestly we both know what is the result of terror..i am sure that hareb al jabal and east of saida do ring a bell .. when the terror govern it is the life of the family that count first.. I will not pretend we are those mighty people, when the hundreds of tons of israeli explosives were on our head hundreds of thousands of families evacuated our areas running for their life… just look at Iraq and take it as example, what happened to the millions of Christians who used to live there when the suicide terrorists start attacking them? Few hundreds of thousands remained… Am sure you know what happened to those refugee who came to Lebanon.. they got there American passports in less than six months and bye bye.. does that bring memories? Does kissenger ring a bell?

  So trust me, if we were the terrorists u people tend to claim to scare your community from us and to gain support, things would have been so different…it would have ended …
  I will tell u something.. it is very easy to build hatter , but once the fire is on, it is so difficult to turn it off.. .

• 48. ja3far | July 5th, 2009 at 9:59 pm

  K… between year 2000 and 2006 the southern frontier was never completely calm, there have been several accidents and the israeli soldiers killed many farmers on several occasions.
  SHN didnt leave any speech in those 6 years in which he didnt mention liberating the prisoners under the highest priority.

  HA went into al 7ilef al roba3i under the title of resistance and liberating the prisoners in the israeli jails. the government of sanioura was formed with the resistance and liberating the prisoners on al bayen al wiseri… so what u mean u were a spectator and u weren’t involved in the decision? al ouwet and most of the lebanese, except Aoun were in al hilef al rouba3i… And approved on that… or are u used to arab leaders who just give speeches and promises for nothing?

  then do u know who took the contracting project of removing the debris in dahie? he was the son of al arab, the man who died with harriri. He took the project for more then 10 $ a ton, while others offered 4 $. if your partners didnt give u share in the reconstruction it was because they divided it among themselves…

  now regarding your last point.. i didnt say if we want to win,and govern .. we have always said that Lebanon cannot be governed by one group only… i was talking about being terrorist, about making the damage .. and honestly we both know what is the result of terror..i am sure that hareb al jabal and east of saida do ring a bell .. when the terror govern it is the life of the family that count first.. I will not pretend we are those mighty people, when the hundreds of tons of israeli explosives were on our head hundreds of thousands of families evacuated our areas running for their life… just look at Iraq and take it as example, what happened to the millions of Christians who used to live there when the suicide terrorists start attacking them? Few hundreds of thousands remained… Am sure you know what happened to those refugee who came to Lebanon.. they got there American passports in less than six months and bye bye.. does that bring memories? Does ki-s-senger ring a bell?

  So trust me, if we were the terrorists u people tend to claim to scare your community from us and to gain support, things would have been so different…it would have ended …
  I will tell u something.. it is very easy to build hatter , but once the fire is on, it is so difficult to turn it off.. .

• 49. ja3far | July 5th, 2009 at 10:13 pm

  k… disregard 46 , it contains only half of the comment

• 50. kezballah | July 5th, 2009 at 10:35 pm

  J: you accuse us of this 7elf roba3i as if we had any other choices, on March 8 Nasrallah warned us that our scarves (the red and white scarf we started to wear after Hariri assassination) will not change anything, what did you want us to do start a war with Hezbollah? We could not even overthrow Lahoud so we had to coexist with him and with Hezbollah weapons otherwise we can’t make a government and we will have a civil war in our hands. Yes we signed that HA has the right to resist and free the land and the prisoners, but even Nasrallah regretted the 1200 dead people and half of Lebanon destroyed so Samir Kuntar can get married, you are saying this was all something we agreed to it??

  When Hezbollah kidnapped the Israeli soldiers and the war started we were in the middle of the dialogue table to discuss the defense strategy and the weapons, how can you say we participated in this decision, we were the last people to know what was happening, ayya 7elf rouba3i ya man?

  About the terrorism effect, yes it can get much worse if Hezbollah or any group want to get really dirty, but don’t you see how many Christians are already emigrating because of this instability? I have 2 Sunni friends who live in the Mazra3a area who left the country completely and never want to return after the 2006 war and the May 7, it is not like Iraq but it is happening slower because people are afraid indirectly or terrorized directly by the weapons of HA and friends like Amal, Wahhab and all the nice non-terrorists who threaten to kill us every few weeks, even TODAY Wahhab threaten us that if the UN court accuse Hezbollah of any responsibility in the Hariri assassination “mesh ra7 yer7am 7adan”

  I am not scaring my community ya Ja3far the danger is real and today even you say the same thing about the PLO weapons like we used to say to the Sunnis before the war, we said: don’t tell me not to be scared, don’t scare me!

  Thanks for the nice conversation, in my view I came to the conclusion that you don’t see why I am making a big deal about HA weapons, you see it as your guarantee for protection and you don’t see our need for protection from it because you think it is not being used against us and it shouldn’t bother us. I can’t convince you that you are affecting me negatively a lot, but I hope I gave you a good idea of how I see it from my side. Just think that if we Christians continue to leave and nothing is left of us, you will not have a nice time living face to face with the Islamic Jihad and the Tawhid party.

• 51. ja3far | July 5th, 2009 at 11:11 pm

  K.. of course SHN regretted seeing the dead people and the size of destruction.. u think we were having a good time in the 33 days?

  but looking at what happened in gaza, you call easily conclude that when such a war is planned it doesnt wait for a real excuse. for six month the palestinians were holding all type of fire and the israeli were assassinating them one by one, and putting them under a brutal siege . then when the palestinians tried to throw some missiles around and not on settlers to attrack some attention , israel did all the attack.. it was planned in the last days of Bush.. the same way the attack on lebanon was planned to make the new middle east..

  any way i understand your concerns very well.. we were raised in a country where we do consider each other as the enemy. we have been brought in a way to consider our country as a piece of cake and fight over this cake. it is normal to see me as a threat.. you have all the rights to be scared of the other in lebaneon, this is what you should learn from the history ..

  on the other hand you should understand that just 3 years ago we had more than 200,000 tank missiles thrown over our heads, more than 10,000 plane attack on our homes; there was a plan to make a new middle east starting by making a demographic change by making the southern people refugees the same way they did to the Palestinians, to set an example on our head… we are not the palestinians who used to care the less about the people in the villages, we are the people of the villages. we want to live and our children to live same as an body else.. and we want to live with our christian neighbors and families by our sides ( by the way i have several members of my family married to christians , and to sunnies ).

  I know we both have concerns , and the road is very long .. but we should start somewhere .. and u can never build a country by spreading hatter.. but by working on building trust and understanding the other…
  I enjoyed the conversation too… time to go to sleep now..
  Good night my friend

• 52. L.K | July 6th, 2009 at 5:07 am

  Ja3far and doc

  Good job in general but i am kinda disappointed with you doc1559.

  You say :
  HA’s weapon is a hot political issue that just won’t cool off my friend and it will not be solved unless the root of the conflict is addressed. I do understand your position and I do agree that 50% of the Christians ( your side ) feel theratened by it ,but again, we have to solve the root of the problem first

  Walaw ya doc ?? HA weapon is political now ?? Political ya ALI ??

  Are you on the same page with Amin Gemayel ? bas inta saba2tu !!

  اعتبر رئيس حزب الكتائب أمين الجميل الأحد ان “المشكلة اليوم هي في سلاح حزب الله الذي هو سياسي بامتياز لأنه يعيق المسيرة الوطنية ويتحكم باللعبة السياسية الداخلية وبكل استحقاق انتخابي”.

  Explain yourself and apologize now !!!

• 53. Doc1559 | July 6th, 2009 at 7:38 am

  hochoz

  HA men are fully controlled by HA leadership and are forced by islam law within the hizeb itself to obey and follow what the kiyedde order them to do. HA can only cool off the shiaa street ” al chabeb” by asking them to stay home ect.. but has no control over what the independent armed guys do when chaotic situations take place in the street of beirut (3ycha bakar is the perfect example). HA members and fighters are ” mukalafin char3n” to obey orders. On the other hand, independent people like myself are not !! It is the responsibility of the ARMY and LAW ENFORCEMENT to ” yidibtu al chabeb” , not HA. You have to be careful there. We urge the Army/ darak to take serious action agaisnt those who act on their own. It is the duty of the darak to control the zo3ran , not HA !

  ya hochoz, I want a strong and independent country as much as you do but at the same time I have to protect myself. Ironically, you guys only see HA’s weapon as a threat while turning your blind eye on the Palestinian one. For the past 4 yrs up till today , all I have been hearing is HA 3mal w sawa bass ma 7adan bye7ke 3n al sile7 al fallasstineh dekhil al mukhayamet !!! Why ? Is it a tawteen plan ?? We simply cannot detached ourselves from what is really happening in the region bcuz we’re part of it. Giving up HA weapon without any DAMANETT or return on equity will be an unwise move by all means… Lets face it khaye, Lebanon is not ours and we are unable to make our own decision without asking mami and papi which way to go .. harrir badu yissa2l ksa w berri badu yissa2l syria w intu badkun tiss2lu usa w hizeb badu yissa2l iran and and and … inssa khalass..

  Regardless of the form in which a secular state takes shape , I believe it will be the only solution for all of us to live under one roof without you being ahel zimeh and without me being aktariyeh cha3biyeh… gher heke ra7 ndal makank fikk for the next 50 yrs..

  Take care..

• 54. Doc1559 | July 6th, 2009 at 7:54 am

  Kezballah

  I am impressed by the fact that you keep records on file . I am going to do that from now on

  Anyway, Hariri is a w–olf in w–olf’s clothing, he lied to you, us and everbody else. Junblat is playing it smart as well, khaye if the majority of M14 are all in for syria and have no prb with HA sila7 then why did we have elections ???? Kina tfa2na w zakayna ba3ed… masskh–ara bro..

  As for HA’s weapon lesh badak bass HA yssalim sle7o lesh ma btissa2l al falasstineh la yssalem sle7o kamen ? Why should we give up a strong weapon ? Here is the answer for that , form the wara2t tafehum :

  1 – Dialogue. National dialogue is the only avenue to find solutions for Lebanon’s crises on stable and firm bases that are a reflection of a unifying consensual will. The following conditions must obtain to ensure its success:

  A- The participation of the parties that have a political, popular and national standing with a round table as a venue.

  B- Transparency, openness, and placing the interests of the nation above any other interest, through the reliance on self-driven will, and a free and committed Lebanese decision-making.

  C- Include all issues of a national character and requiring general concordance.

  10– The Protection of Lebanon and Preserving its Independence and Sovereignty. The protection of Lebanon and the preservation of its independence and sovereignty are a national public responsibility and duty, guaranteed by international treaties and the Human Rights Charter, particularly in confronting any threats or dangers from any source that could harm them.

  Therefore, carrying arms is not an objective in itself. Rather it is an honorable and sacred means that is exercised by any group whose land is occupied, in a manner identical to the methods of political resistance. In this context, Hezbollah’s weapons should be addressed as part of a global approach that falls within two bounds:

  The first bound is the reliance on justifications that meet a national consensus for keeping the weapons, which would constitute a source of strength for Lebanon and the Lebanese people, and the other bound is the definition of objective conditions that would lead to a cessation of the reasons and justifications for keeping those weapons. Since Israel occupies the Shebaa Farms, imprisons Lebanese resistance members and threatens Lebanon, the Lebanese people should assume their responsibilities and share the burden of protecting Lebanon, safeguarding its existence and security and protecting its independence and sovereignty by:

  A- Liberating the Shebaa Farms from the Israeli occupation.
  B- Liberating the Lebanese prisoners from Israeli prisons.
  C- Protecting Lebanon from Israeli threats through a national dialogue leading to the formulation of a national defense strategy over which the Lebanese agree to and subscribe to by assuming its burdens and benefiting from its outcomes..

  Take care bro..

• 55. Doc1559 | July 6th, 2009 at 7:58 am

  Delta

  I am keeping it real dude !! I know some syrian guy name George used to fight for kateeb, he moved to gharbiye after ta2ef and changed his name to ahmad.. anyway here is the video of the syrian LF fighers :

  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qlQn7btTtlU

  00:52 al jinssiye syriani sureh..

• 56. Doc1559 | July 6th, 2009 at 8:04 am

  L.K

  ru2 3la wada3k.. read my 52 & 53 … ba3den eh sar noss al cha3eb al lebneneh dod sle7 al hizeb !! lesh badak tdalak tehrub min al 7a2i2a ?? we have a huge prb there ya sa7be.. ma fi 7al 2illa bil 7iwar… 7ake kbir w tehdid ma ba2 yinfa3..

  Ba3den min alak ana ALI ? balke ana hussein or samir ?? or maybe Elie !!!

• 57. kezballah | July 6th, 2009 at 8:41 am

  Doc, lah ya man shou 2ana mokhabarat Sourieh to keep records on file, I simply saw your quote of our coversation and I went back to the archive 1 month before like you said to remember exactly what we said, it was easy.

  On your #56 to L.K. you said: Ba3den min alak ana ALI ? balke ana hussein or samir ?? or maybe Elie !!!

  I agree with you I never knew if you are Mahmoud or Tony since you support Aoun and Hezbollah equally and your writing is truly secularist so I wish you didn’t remove this mystery because it is more interesting to keep it unknown, but in your #29 you said “I am a shiaa and I know very well how HA think”……

  Now you will think I keep records But it’s right here I didn’t even need to search for it.

  By the way you see how nice this L.K. guy is with his weapons? he doesn’t like something you said so he orders you to apologize, this is what happens to Lebanese when you give them weapons if they are Hezbollah or LF or anything… what a nice democratic guy!

• 58. Reader27 | July 6th, 2009 at 5:32 pm

  Doc

  inteh ali bas ma khasak la bi ali or muhammed. I know your type

• 59. Delta | July 7th, 2009 at 6:59 am

  Doc that video is pathetic it cost them 5 $ to buy 3 uniforms and fit them in those firkin syrians expend your Imagination shway rafi2 walaw ba3rfak azka min hek

  Hayda george sahbak balehoun hal haraket remember you a good muslim (pretty uncommon ) and the law of Moses falls in ur Holly koran with the 10 commandments 1 of them is DO NOT Bear falls what witness
  Have a good day

• 60. Doc1559 | July 7th, 2009 at 8:26 am

  Delta

  Im not going to argue with you over a pathetic video

  Thx for calling me a good Muslim.. don’t expect me to go down with religious debates.. khalass I’ve simply had enough and the chabeb are offended by it , some are open minded and accept the sad facts about religion and others are plain stubborn.

  Anyway, no regret for offending and getting offended !! We all need a reality check every now and then !!

  thx

• 61. Delta | July 7th, 2009 at 4:47 pm

  Doc

  Due if the Video is pathetic why do u refer to it ?
  although i have to be honnest I like to argue with you
  sometimes its fun and sometimes u dont make sence at all and you answer like a college freshmen not like a Doc , I wish u a good day

• 62. Doc1559 | July 7th, 2009 at 8:57 pm

  Delta

  You called it pathetic first. I am not surprised.. we should never based our arguments on pathetic videos!

  I know when to make sence and when to BS you do 2 ..

  Take care..

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