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• 1. Fuziyad | September 24th, 2008 at 10:11 pm

  N, are you aware that those guys fought militarily few month ago and that their supporters are still having fights every day?? these meetings are meant to reduce that…and as “that” is not happening among christians there is no need to reduce it…mazbout???

• 2. Rami | September 24th, 2008 at 10:25 pm

  Fuziyad you are way way far from reality…We are now witnessing the defeat of 14 March..The rise of HA, HA won everything..he won the sympathy of joumblatt,and now he is winning Hariri’s, you will see in the elections their hidden alliances..

  We can start by saying that the HA state is rising step by step,slowly but steadily..
  I see only one thing, the LF are alone right now even the kataeb left us..

• 3. Rodge | September 24th, 2008 at 11:22 pm

  This is politics, as simple as that.
  Things will worsen as soon as something big changes.
  there are no permanent alliances in Lebanon.

• 4. Fuziyad | September 25th, 2008 at 12:17 am

  Rami, you didn’t get my post apprently, try again plse

• 5. Rima | September 25th, 2008 at 12:17 am

  Rami
  oops Your are right again…But what about Kataeb leaving us…?

• 6. nevermind | September 25th, 2008 at 12:32 am

  rodge,
  permanent alliances in politics do not exist. This is true everywhere…. so depends how much politically u r clever, the better the alliance u will make.
  I don’t think we will win much in those elections, do u think people has changed??? we will have to depend on muslim votes, but due to the election law… do u think we will do better than before????
  I am very pessimistic abt the up-coming elections, hope u guys have different figures…

• 7. Charbel | September 25th, 2008 at 12:39 am

  If I may repeat what SG said; reconcile on what grounds?

  I await an answer…

• 8. Patrick | September 25th, 2008 at 12:42 am

  was sami gemayel at the martyrs’ mass? anyone know?

• 9. cedrik | September 25th, 2008 at 2:04 am

  yeah, him and amine and nadim

• 10. Ra'fat | September 25th, 2008 at 4:01 am

  Based on the status quo we will be crushed the coming elections. Sorry to be pessimistic, but reality is starting to take shape and does not look good. I really do not care though, we could lose all the elections in the world, but we should still be proud not to change what we believe in. I would rather lose an election and be true to myself than sell myself to win an election. Honestly, the people will get what they vote for, and after that I will have no sympathy for what happens to the Lebanese, they will get what they wish for no more and no less.

• 11. Rima | September 25th, 2008 at 4:12 am

  Raafat
  Well said

  What I hate most are people who use democracy to destroy democracy…who use freedom of speech to spread lies…who use the voting system to abolish it once they win…who bribe people to sell them later on the altar of nuclear power and supremacy…what I hate even more coward leaders like 14th March who betrayed people who elected them…

  In my opinion, best not to vote at all until HA surrender their arms…Democracy is just fallacy in the presence of HA and Syrian agents

  Cheers

• 12. fad14 | September 25th, 2008 at 7:54 am

  This meeting is useless, people in Beirut have always hated Hizbulla and Amal.

  HA and Amal will never vote for Sunnis and Vice Versa.

  No matter how many meetings or alliances or agreements or accords.

  We will never vote for anyone pro Syria or anyone who stands against a free country.

  Hariri got votes in 2005 like a storm because of his anti Syria stands, if he changes that or tries to make Hizbulla look good, the blood haven’t dried since last May.

  It will be the end of FM as it is today.

  The country is not really full of sheep.

• 13. Michele | September 25th, 2008 at 8:22 am

  Ra’fat, i couldn’t agree more!!! Very well put!

  As for Aoun reconciling wz Geagea i have big doubts; it doesn’t serve at all his own personal interests…

• 14. Michele | September 25th, 2008 at 9:53 am

  Excellent article today on Elaph:

  عبد الرحمن الراشد

  سمير جعجع كان واحدا من عشرات قادة الميلشيات اللبنانية المتحاربة، تورط منذ ان كان طالبا في الجامعة بعد اندلاع الحرب الأهلية عام 75 حتى صار قائدا لميلشيا القوات اللبنانية، الجناح العسكري لحزب الكتائب.

  15 عاما من الحرب العبثيه انتهت بتوقيع اتفاق الطائف. جعجع تمت محاكمته على جرائم الحرب وحبس في قبو تحت الأرض في وزارة الدفاع لعشر سنوات.

  عمليا، جعجع هو الزعيم اللبناني الوحيد الذي دفع الثمن على جرائم الحرب الاهلية في لبنان، حوكم وسجن، وهو الوحيد الآن الذي وقف بشجاعة فاعترف وأعلن عن ندمه واعتذر لضحاياه.

  وقيمة اعتذاره انه وقف واعتذر دون ان يطالبه أحد بالاعتذار، كما انه اعلن عن اعتذاره بعد ان خرج من السجن وليس تحت سلطة التهديد بالقوة او مساومة ثمنا لاطلاق سراحه عندما اطلق سراحه قبل ثلاث سنوات. ولنتذكر اننا نتحدث عن ساحة مارس فيها، تقريبا، كل زعماء الميلشيات الذبح ضد خصومهم في سنوات الحرب الأهلية، مع هذا ليس بينهم واحد غيره، حوكم، او سجن، او اعتذر. بل ان معظمهم قلد مناصب عليا في اعقاب نهاية الحرب الاهلية.

  ولنتذكر ان جعجع اعتذر اليوم وهو يملك ثاني قوة ميلشيا عسكرية على الأرض، بعد حزب الله، اي انه اعتذار القوي لا الضعيف.

  الا ان اعتذار زعيم القوات قوبل بالاستنكار والشجب لأنه اخاف الآخرين، وأحرج البعض الآخر. لا أحد منهم يريد ان يقر بذنبه، ولا ان يعتذر عن جرائمه. جرائم لم توفر ابناء المخيمات ولا سكان القصور. وبدل ان يشكر جعجع على مبادرته، ويقظة ضميره، وشجاعته، تنطع البعض لمهاجمته كمجرم يستحق العقاب ناسين انه ليس المجرم الوحيد بين القيادات السياسية، بل الوحيد الذي عوقب ودفع الثمن.

  وبدون ان يقف بقية قادة الميلشيات السابقين الحاليين ويعتذروا عن افعالهم لا تكون الحرب الأهلية قد طويت، فالاعتراف والندم شرطان لنهاية اي حرب، والا فانه مجرد هدنة. بدل ان يضيع اللبنانيون نقاش دوافع جعحع من الاعتذار، لانها مهما كانت غير مهمة الا لنفسه، عليهم ان يطالبوا البقية ان يحذوا حذوه. واذا كان الاعتراف والاعتذار يضعهم في موقف سياسي صعب، ولا يملكون شجاعة جعجع بامكانهم ان يجعلوها حفلة اعتذار جماعية تعبر فقط نهاية حقبة الكراهية وبدء صفحة جديدة.

  اعتقد ان ما فعله جعجع اكبر من ان يصور مجرد لعبة سياسية، لانها لا تفيده، بل تؤكد ان امامنا رجلا مختلفا، بخلاف بعض القيادات التي لا تزال تصر على الذنب وتكراره. القصة هُم لا جعحع، والسؤال لماذا لم يعتذروا وليس لماذا اعتذر؟

• 15. Nour | September 25th, 2008 at 12:07 pm

  I’ve have never felt the way I feel now. Even when we lost our home in south Lebanon, even when my uncle and two cousins were killed in the last war. I am totally disgusted !!!! I watch them reconciling on TV , and it’s supposed to be good news. It’s supposed to be walla nshallah ra7 nbattel nekrah each other, but it disgusts me. all this hypocracy disgusts me! It was obvious last night that they cant stand each other but Saudi Arabia and Iran gave the orders , and our leaders, just as the sheep they are , obeyed. i lived in Africa for twenty years . my dad has always said that Africa might seem barabric to you , but what you see is what you get. Lebanon might seem civilised to you, it might even be considered the most enlightened country in the middle east, but its full of shit. and i have begun to realize that. Why on earth would we let ourselves be a toy in the foreign countries hands? i really don’t know

• 16. Kevin | September 25th, 2008 at 2:17 pm

  nour is right, nothing in lebanon is ever what it seems…

• 17. Anonymous | September 25th, 2008 at 5:23 pm

  Bravo 3laykoun…. now go put Bashir’s picture next to rafic hariri’s.

• 18. Rodge | September 25th, 2008 at 6:43 pm

  And the results started to show:
  اعلن رئيس كتلة المستقبل النائب سعد الحريري انه تم الاتفاق على نزع الصور واللافتات بمهلة أقصاها 3 أيام ابتداءً من بيروت الإدارية.

  الحريري وبعد لقائه رئيس مجلس النواب نبيه بري، اكد حرص بري الدائم على السلم الاهلي وتطبيق الشق المتعلق بالامن كما تم الاتفاق في الدوحة، واعلن ان الأجواء كانت جيدة مع وفد حزب الله بالأمس، لافتا الى انه يتم التحضير لإجتماع مع امين عام حزب الله حسن نصرالله

  I wonder if their people will abide, and for how long this agreement will stand?

• 19. Rima | September 26th, 2008 at 1:01 am

  Anonymous

  Hariri the father died for a good reason…He will be remembered as a good and great man…no matter what his son or party do after him.

  Cheers

• 20. Sick | September 26th, 2008 at 1:20 am

  What a major failure by M14!! I am very mad and dissapointed. Am I dreaming or something? Where is the case our people died for?

  Why did they lie to us ?

  Why did they give up the war on terror?

  What did P.Gmayel die for? Jubran? The rest of the martyrs? Answerss please!!

  We all must admit that HA-cloun won this war agaisnt us the true lebanese people. Tfuu 3layne , tol3it ri7itna ne7na al lebneniye. Ru7u chufo l chameteh bi 3younon la 8 azar, 3m yid7ako 3layna w ne7na la 7ayat liman tunadi.

  Now days, I have to hear it on the daily basis from ppl at work that we have lost it all. tizrik w chameteh.

• 21. omar | September 26th, 2008 at 6:03 am

  I am totally disgusted by this.

  I am NOT disgusted that Hariri and Raad / Nasrallah are reconciling; I AM disgusted by the fact that they are doing this SEPARATE from the LF. Jumblatt already made his move months ago… but for Hariri to leave the LF hanging like that is not cool. Plus, this IS NOT about inter-Druze / inter-Sunni / inter-Christian reconciliation… It’s about reconciling entire political visions for the visions for the country (mitl ma 2al Hakim).

  If there is to be a reconciliation, let it be on a public, open 7iwar on television between BOTH groups reaching a clear POLICY vision for the country.

  Sa3ata finan bawwis ba3d w nibtism lal camera.

  Omar

• 22. hania | September 26th, 2008 at 6:38 am

  ha and hariri will never become allies. they are meeting together and putting differences aside but that doesn’t mean that any hariri supporter will forget what happened to him in beirut on the 7th of may just for hariri’s sake!

• 23. Rima | September 26th, 2008 at 6:52 am

  What we are witnessing in Lebanon are not reconciliations but surrendering bil jimleh sorry bil moufarra2!!!!

  Well the 7 of May invasion is a good precedent to follow in the future of Lebanon!!
  Ya shabeib iza ma 3ajabna aya karar…just invade Beirut we kil chi 3ala zaoukoun bissir…!!!!!!!!

• 24. hania | September 26th, 2008 at 6:55 am

  wth rima? 7aki ktir manti2!

• 25. hania | September 26th, 2008 at 6:56 am

  btw was the lf group on fb returned? or is it still hacked?

• 26. Fuziyad | September 26th, 2008 at 11:21 am

  Omar, you are wrong, there is no reconciliation possible on the political issues, these reconciliations are only security measures to calm down things on the ground, it’s in no case a political agreement and shouldn’t be….what do the LF have to do with it?? are LF and HA supporters fighting every evening in the streets of beirut? not that I know, then there is no need for any of these meetings.

  Political disagreements will de discussed on the dialogue table this is more than enough if we weren’t in a zoo this should only happen in the parliament and eventually in the gov….

  and btw habibna the LF are not the only representative of march 14 christians, guess when you spoke about the LF you meant march 14 christians.

• 27. LF Forever | September 26th, 2008 at 12:35 pm

  N,

  Anything to comment on Sleiman visiting Bush? Do not isolate Syria one of his request!

  As we all know, he is not better than other Generals…

• 28. roula | September 26th, 2008 at 2:20 pm

  reply to post#11: Il faut voter et surtout pas se decourager maintenant! Ca va etre dur, mais justement si tu crois vraiment à un Liban libre et democratique, c’est en votant que tu confirmes ce en quoi tu crois. Ne soyons pas si pessimistes. Les resultats vont etre tres serrés.
  Tu dis que ca ne vaut pas la peine de voter si les syriens et iraniens ont toujours une grande influence au Liban…mais tu crois qu’en ne votant pas cela va changer qlqchose? Meme si la situation est nulle, elle est mieux qu’il y a quelques années. Essayons d’aller dans la bonne direction et arretons de critiquer les leaders du 14 mars car ca ne fait que renforcer l’autre camp.
  On peut gagner. Vote, chaque voix compte.

• 29. Rami | September 27th, 2008 at 9:25 am

  To put Hariri’s picture next to Bashirs is pure blasphemy!

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