Fight Fanatism with Nationalism .. i find it reasonable.
But Fighting Fanatism with more Fanatism .. it will only cause more problems and more hatred and therefore pave the way for more fanatism …

I dont see the point of naming the Prophet such names, i dont see any positive outcome of such an action.

A candidate campaigning for the Graz city council in Austria says it is time that Islam was “thrown back … behind the Mediterranean,” and alleges Muhammad wrote the Koran in “epileptic fits.”

Election campaigns, it would seem, are uncomfortable times for immigrants to be in Europe. First, it was Ronald Koch, the conservative politician in the German state of Hesse who turned up the rhetoric and began railing against “criminal young foreigners” in his country. Now, an Austrian politician has followed suit.

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  • 1. p@ul | January 15th, 2008 at 10:50 pm

    Oh no not again … I think I will watch no television for 2 months,from now on debates without prospect of an end.

  • 2. paul | January 15th, 2008 at 10:55 pm

    oups…paul=p@ul

  • 3. Bachir 7ay Fina | January 16th, 2008 at 1:57 am

    N lezim ta3rif el sabab leich 3am bi khaliyon y2oulo heik.
    bi australia iza ma ma3ak khabar 90% men el machekil men wara el eslem w aghlabiyetoun lebneniyeh kamen.
    bi germany el Turks ktir kobrane bi rasoune bi kasro w mamnou3 7ada yet3ata ma3oun( ata3o el 7 malyon) men jem3a darabo khetyar bi gare el train ma 2elo 7a2 el police y7a2i2 ma3oun.
    Heda cha3eb baddo ringer 3ala ra2ebto la yemche.

  • 4. Tarek | January 16th, 2008 at 2:27 am

    Not every time someone curses the prophet Muhammad (s) I need to hear about it. With respect to muslims making trouble or assaults or what so ever, I don’t mind shooting them all. But that’s not an excuse “Bachir 7ay Fina” to curse Islam. I think the problem is not from the turks or the lebanese muslims in Germany or austria, I think it is from the government who are not doing their job by shooting every thug whether muslim or not, just like a dog.

  • 5. Abollam | January 16th, 2008 at 2:38 am

    N, it is disappointing that you’ve reiterated the article on your site… although you try to hide it with resentment… I truly believe you do not have the right intentions to highlight such thoughts… I hope I am wrong for I liked your post…

  • 6. Jay | January 16th, 2008 at 3:13 am

    I am glad you wrote about this because frankly as a non-muslim Lebanese who lives abroad I am tired every time some schmuck utters negative words about Islam or the prophet all hell breaks loose in the ME.

    It’s the zealous Muslims who over-react to such incidents that are do more harm to Islam than non-Muslims.

    You don’t see other religions rioting or destroying properties when Muslims ridicule or disgrace non-Muslim ideals, a case in point when the Taliban destroyed the Buddhist temples in Afghanistan.

    I think Muslims’ insecurity and paranoia are much to blame for this sad state of affair than anyone else. Muslims have to realize that most of the world is free, people are free to express their own opinion. If Muslims were truly confident and resolute in their belief and conviction about their own faith they SHOULD NOT be offended or angered by such negative remarks.

  • 7. elie | January 16th, 2008 at 5:59 am

    The so called “Pro. Mohammad” is more than a child molester…he is a combination of bad and ugly things…
    that what i think about him..and many others think the same…it is a good sign that europeans started seeing the reality of MO.

  • 8. Delta | January 16th, 2008 at 7:34 am

    oups wheres is the austrian Embassy ou3a tkoun hadd bayt ahli :p

  • 9. Tarek | January 16th, 2008 at 11:23 am

    Dear Elie,
    Thank you for respecting other religions and other people believes. I have the same respect for you.

  • 10. elias | January 16th, 2008 at 11:46 am

    3ayb ya chabeb 7ata law ghalato el eslem mafi de3e eno nseb bi el nabi mohamad , ne7na masi7ieh lezem ne7terme el kel 7ata law akhta2o bi 7a2na , wkamen hayde ghaltet el europie mech hene li jebo el atrak wel aferca wel afghan wel pakistanieh . lezem ysebo 7alon abel ma ysobo el din el esleme . aslan hene mol7idin wniheyeton bada teje 3al 2idon hene

  • 11. elias | January 16th, 2008 at 11:54 am

    wkamen mafi de3e ya chabeb yen7at hek mwadi3 , ne7na ma khasna chou 2al flen wchou 3emel flen el mohem chou 3am ysir bi lebnen . respect others believes to respect ur believes

  • 12. Michele | January 16th, 2008 at 1:47 pm

    Elie, i join Tarek in asking u to be respectful towards other people’s religion.

    I can somehow understand the europeans frustrations towards the fanatics but can’t tolerate the defamation against religions and their prophets.

    True christianity is about tolerance, so start tolerating ur brothers and sisters from other religion.
    Thank u

  • 13. 14 | January 16th, 2008 at 4:03 pm

    allah yetour chou rah tkoun radet el fe3el

  • 14. Danny | January 16th, 2008 at 4:43 pm

    N,

    This shows this has become more of a hate forum than a discussion media…
    Please do not post these or as the moderator bar these fools from the site!!

  • 15. Tony | January 16th, 2008 at 5:35 pm

    Bachir 7ay Fina

    Austria ma khasa bi Australia

    Austria bi europe

  • 16. Tony | January 16th, 2008 at 5:40 pm

    Everyone has there own point of Views for other religions if u dont like other peoples religions keep it to ure self because in the future may cause u problems not everyone from different religions is bad even in Christianity u have bad people.

  • 17. paul | January 16th, 2008 at 5:57 pm

    Bacbir 7 f

    1,9 million tirke bi ilmanya mich aktar.

  • 18. about Europe | January 16th, 2008 at 7:46 pm

    Perhaps it is a good idea to show you what happened personally with me here in Europe.
    Just for information, I am a Lebanese Muslim doing my Masters degree in strategic management in Holland.

    Once I was going back home and on my way I encountered a theft incident. A dutch guy stole the purse of a dutch lady and escaped.
    I ran after him and caught him after a chase and returned the purse to the lady.
    I got rewarded from the police and my story was all other the news.
    When the police asked about my nationality, identity, beliefs and motive, I told them that I am Muslim from Lebanon and this is our values.

    Unlike all other incidents where the word Muslim is highlighted and they say it all over the media, they didn’t mention it anywhere.
    They even said that I come from the city where the incident took place???!!!

    Although I stressed the fact that I am an Arab Muslim, they refused to write it down. I realized that this is their policy. They will never ever write that a Pakistani, Turk… didn’t anything positive. After asking, I noticed that the same story is repeated everywhere.

    Unfort only the educated Europeans can see this reality, not the zealous or the uneducated.

    You should see how far islamophobia has gone and then you will have a complete picture.

    Nobody can dare mess with a Jew here simply because they have a lot of power in politics and the media.

  • 19. N10452 | January 16th, 2008 at 8:31 pm

    Abollam,
    I hesitated in posting the article because i was worried some people might think i actually enjoyed the insults but am just faking being bothered by them ..

    Well it is not true .. i totally am against such religious attacks .. because there is a big difference between critisizing a religion and mocking it in such a vulgar way ..

    I hope i made myself clear.

  • 20. N10452 | January 16th, 2008 at 8:34 pm

    about Europe,
    I am sorry but even though the story you told is injust in ur regards as an Arab Muslim .. Europeans treated and respected Muslims for the past few years and all they got in return was trouble and fanatics ..

    Unfortunatelly, the reaction now is becoming worrying and more fanatic groups anti-islamic & anti-arab are rising and getting more popular ..

    Netherlands and Austria and many countries are taking severe measures which are unjust but unfortunatelly necessary since the problem is in Islam itself and thats something you cant solve by dialogue ..

  • 21. Condor | January 16th, 2008 at 9:05 pm

    If there is anyone that should know and practice religious tolerence it is the lebanese…darn you people, ever since our independence we have paid the price of intolerence and mistrust between the major faiths…let’s not forget that the only way to survive is through understanding, dialogue and respect for one another’s faith. We should set that example to the whole world.

  • 22. about Europe | January 16th, 2008 at 10:33 pm

    what respect are you talking about my friend?
    Besides the educated minority, we are receiving insults day and night.
    They organize all kinds of TV programs to make fun of our beliefs.
    The sick thing is that this and other topics are exploited by the right wing for election purposes only.
    Those politicians don’t care about anything except the number of seats they will get.
    The consequence is more hate and animosity.
    If you think I am biased, speak with a decent and educated non European Muslim.

  • 23. Bachir 7ay Fina | January 16th, 2008 at 10:50 pm

    Tony
    merci 3al toudi7 ghalatet bel katiba bass 7ata austria badda totla3 men el UE iza terkiya bet fout.
    Paul
    u r right khayye they r 2M 7emlin el jensiyeh but they r more than 6M in germany ye3ne bokra byekhdouha.

  • 24. Bachir 7ay Fina | January 16th, 2008 at 10:58 pm

    Tarek
    u r right
    Bass hawn bi 3amlihoun bel tehzib w 72ou2 el 2ensen bass heida el chi ma byenfa3.

  • 25. Darko | January 17th, 2008 at 10:51 am

    Its really funny how u moderate my comments but yet bright people like elie go uncensord. As for the subject of this article, i think that such actions r not strange to areas like austria and germany where neo nazi groups r finding out that at this point, attacking muslims will get them way more support then attacking jews. And u should remember that hitler came to power through democratic means, and if these groups take power, i think we’ll have very intresting events in the future. And one last thing, i totally agree with ur first phrase, i havent agreed with anything on this blog for a longtime. But of course our definetion of the word nation differ

  • 26. Real European | January 20th, 2008 at 9:17 pm

    mr. about Europe:

    you are very self-absorbed!

    OK if it’s true you helped an old lady, thanks. But the big picture is that muslims came to Europe (fled from the socio-economic reality of islam) voluntarily and enjoyed and still enjoy more freedom and wealth than they had and were not wronged by us. But they thanked us by jihad (Van Gogh, Madrid, London, Glasgow). So look in the mirror. Ask yourself: if I were a Lebanese or European Christian, would I come to like islam? You worry about the way that (some) Europeans speak and laugh about muslims, we worry about assaults and threats. There is a difference. Capisce?

  • 27. SONIA | January 20th, 2008 at 11:18 pm

    About Europe….forget about the Jews for a change. They number only 13 million people in the entire world. If they have more power proportionate to their numbers,perhaps that is because they CONTRIBUTE more proportionately.



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