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• 1. Johnny.B | June 17th, 2007 at 1:08 pm

  A good friend of mine once told me that they were in tabarja when they went to Dr.geagea’s house mouzahara in suppport for him .. they where all lf fighters, it was durnig ilgha war…
  they were all shouting .. ” allah ouweit 7akim w bass ” “alla alla alla samir ba3ed allah “… he got so upset and shouted at them : ” is that what you are fighting for ? a person? what about your cause? if i die will lf die ? if i went wrong will i all the lf go wrong ? you should continue with or without me, if i went wrong u should correct me ”

  so to all people who critise the debates posted by N10452 and everyone else, well I’m sorry to tell you that you are blind followers with no real cause.

• 2. Nancy | June 17th, 2007 at 1:23 pm

  You shouldn’t really care about criticism. I don’t think anyone would visit this blogsite if it weren’t for you.

  At least you analyze and think, do they want parrots echoing leaders’ lectures everywhere???

• 3. LF forever | June 17th, 2007 at 1:32 pm

  Apologize.

  Dear Comrade,

  I deeply apologize for what happened.
  I insist to tell our internal problems should stay internally and that what it makes me feel so bad.

  Concerning the truth that you are pointing, I still don’t see in you a defender of the truth but I see in the other comment, you defending Mr. El Daher maybe convinced that he bought the LBC with his money! I doubt and I tell you LBC born as Ouwet TV not as Pierre El Daher investment TV! LBC was stolen from us and should turn back to us. Al Walid, we all know what his intention to do in Lebanon.
  I think we should collect money and re-buy back our TV and not being Hakim and Strida TV for sure.

  I apologize again and I love your blog and I can’t stand it to don’t follow you. With all respect before and from now on.

  Suggestion: to create an internal Blog for helping to reform the LF, and only you ,can do it through your website.

  Yours

  LF Forever from New Hampshire USA

• 4. N10452 | June 17th, 2007 at 2:10 pm

  LF forever,
  My friend no need to apologize .. just keep in mind that i am not here to divide or weaken the LF .. LF is in my blood and i will defend it no matter what .. but i cannot accept the LF drifting or Dr.geagea doing mistakes for our own sake ..

  LBC does not belong to Pierre el Daher, it belongs to the martyrs who died and kept us alive .. Pierre el Daher had to preserve it and did what he had to do .. he is wrong i know that .. but he did a marvellous job whether we like it or not .. and we cannot come claim it back now and threaten or attack him .. specially when its only a financial issue ..

  Anyway … No need for apologies again ..

  I will create a section maybe called LF reforms .. will keep u posted on that .

  Regards.

• 5. N10452 | June 17th, 2007 at 2:12 pm

  Thank you Nancy for ur comment

  I accept criticism as long as it is a positive one .. insults & attacks i have been ignoring for a while … this is just a post to clarify things ..

• 6. Ahiram Kanaan | June 17th, 2007 at 2:16 pm

  N10452

  I agree with u 100%.
  I favor an agreement between u & the official LF website for the ouwet blog to become the free open space for the voices of reforms within the LF.
  Good Luck

• 7. proud 2 b lf | June 17th, 2007 at 3:18 pm

  kbir ya n10452….kbir ya samir….kbire l ouwet……w kbir lebnen…….w bi 2ezen 2allah w bi jehedna baddo ysir 2akbar………

• 8. dany | June 17th, 2007 at 5:20 pm

  If people have a problem with self criticism, they should join the FPM. It is not allowed there. We LFers criticise out of love and to help the party improve. I know about that tabarja incident and it is true. We are not and were not fighting for a person but a “mou’assasseh”. Regardless of what we think about SG, he is human and he makes mistakes, unlike the other one who is “Jeyeh min allah”. Our job is to keep our open minds and clear vision of what we want and where we want to go. The LBC issue is a bit shameful, specially that it went public the way it did. However Pierre El Daher should consider giving “The Party” the share they own. We give him full credit for getting it where it is now however he got his salaries in return of the job. It is not gonna be called SGN ( samir geagea network ), it will stay LBC, the same LBC they tried to shut down so many times and failed. If between LF ers we cannot discuss the mistakes, who can we discuss it with?
  It is our job and duty to find the errors and fix them and learn from them…
  I still cannot get over the ” palestinian brothers ” comment…

• 9. paul | June 17th, 2007 at 5:29 pm

  Criticism is the indication of a functioning democracy.
  N10452 have a thick skin,he can stand criticism very well.
  This is the best site to discuss our fears,opinions and thougts,often on humorously wise.

  Thanks.

• 10. R | June 17th, 2007 at 6:16 pm

  N,

  With all respect to all who commented above, the LF that you are talking about does not exist. The LF of democracy is just an illusion and will definitely be a Syrian democracy style. All indicators go that way, only emotions can tell otherwise, and emotions should not have a place in politics/parties.

  It is about time you will realize this. In fact, even if you stand here in the blog, and maybe get some sympathizers who love criticism and consider necessary and all these words, you will eventually have to deal with reality on the ground which is pretty different and you know that.

  In short, you are wasting your time. This is a successful block; that is disputable. This being an LF block is not up to discussion. Do not take me wrong I fully understand your view and I do not question your beliefs, but LF is a trademark lately (need clarification?) and you can not own an LF blog without the leadership’s or media office approval; which are not present at this case.

  Your posts are always good to read, you have the spirit I wish so many have, and you dare ask your questions and voice your criticism loudly, that is to be admired. However, you and I know that this blog, because of your bravery and honesty, can not be an LF (official blog).

  Finally, I might have understood wrongly the concept of blogs, but I can tell that there is a big difference between the opinion of this blog posters, and the LF official stances.

  You and I know that you have so much loyalty and emotions towards LF, we we raised LF, yet it is one stand that must be taken when one revises his course and take a firm stand, face reality, accepts that the LF he is fighting for does not and will not exist, and most importantly move on.

  That was long, but needed :).

  Note: If you watched king Arthur, remember when a kid told him that Rome that he is fighting for does not and will not exist except in his heart? That’s pretty similar

• 11. bachir-7ay-fina | June 17th, 2007 at 8:03 pm

  we need lfers like u N10452.
  ma3 2enak 2awkat 2ase chway bel criticism tab3ak bass always logicaly

• 12. bashir | June 17th, 2007 at 8:35 pm

  I’m impressed.

• 13. LF forever | June 17th, 2007 at 9:18 pm

  Thanks R

  Finally somebody thinking that this blog is adopted by lebaneseforces.com to criticize our 3akide!

  Honestly I can’t support the criticism in pubblic! I think is not democratically smart and it only damage!

  If your wife is cheating on you, do you go in public and criticize her? or you clean the your shit at home and nobody see your defect?

  N10452,

  Please rethink about criticize LF leadership in public! we please beg you don’t? it is so hard for us! and if you continue it is not gonna help the LF to find a solution. It is gonna only destroy this beautiful creation of Bachir.

  So please we beg you! at least 12 guys (anciens combatants) from LF that I represent in New Hampshire (USA).

  We are suffering the situation in US. and we think that you are really hurting the LF when you defend others than LF interest for LBC or other! and why?

  we beg you to STOP. please we are suffering this way. If other guy enjoy this please don’t hurt other rife’e feeling.

  Dakhilak STOP!

• 14. R | June 17th, 2007 at 9:55 pm

  LF Forever,

  Don’t take me wrong. I am fully with what N wants the LF to be, I am not against criticism in public. However, I can not agree that the LF is this, the LF is almost the opposite.

  What I am saying, and trying to find good ways to say is that this blog is too “free” to be an LF blog. The LF is a disguised dictatorship, that’s how it always was, unfortunately.

  I am one of those who wished some change took place in LF and it improved to a real democratic party; it didn’t, get this and move on.

• 15. LF forever | June 17th, 2007 at 10:24 pm

  R,

  “This is an LF blog whether you like it or not ..”

  “I dont really care, it is your loss ..the LF taught me to say the truth and point out the mistakes whatever the cost is ..
  If you cant handle that, refrain from posting here ..

  My red lines are our Cause, Our Martyrs and God … ”

  this is N10452 words.

  Do you think this is democratic? You follow or you are out?

  Great Democracy!

  Seems that the LF belong to his opinion!

  WHY? and WHY? 11 years of JAIL for Geagea, nobody show up power in LF (not all for sure) where is the guts? now that he is out and fighting again we should destroy his image?

  Believe me I am not from Geagea followers and I never met him but my leader today is him and democratically we can change him if you guys want but not in this way…Destroying the party by critcism we can’t allow that…at least by words and opinion….

  I beg you again don’t destroy the LF…

  Don’t be like Aoun, please? Against the corruption he is destroying his country…no?

• 16. LF forever | June 17th, 2007 at 10:59 pm

  N10452,

  Do you think this important to put in the Lebanese Forces website?

  “”"

  The Lebanese Forces Weapons
  When the civil war started, the LF received large amounts of weapons from Israel and purchased more from eastern Europe. Near the end of the war, the Lebanese Forces shifted from eastern European to western (NATO) weapons. In addition to all this, a very large amount of weapons was received from Iraq in 1988. Other equipment was “obtained” from the Lebanese army or bought on the black market.

  Most militia-members had Israeli uniforms. Distinctive uniforms were used for special and elite units.
  The Weapons
  Semi-Auto Pistols
  Assault Rifles
  Pump Action Shotguns
  Large Caliber Sniper Rifles
  Standard Caliber Sniper Rifles
  Sub Machine Guns (SMG)
  Medium (universal) Machineguns
  Heavy Machineguns
  Infantry Rocket launchers
  Anti Armor
  Tanks
  Artillery

  Camouflage vehicles and armor
  Totally black, olive green, grey stripes, green, black, rust camouflage.

  Vehicle markings
  Lebanese Forces Logo, Delta, Religious Symbols and Crosses “”"

• 17. @li 1559 | June 18th, 2007 at 4:11 am

  N 10452

  I dont really care, it is your loss ..the LF taught me to say the truth and point out the mistakes whatever the cost is ..

  Hey , are you still able to afford the cost ????

• 18. Delta | June 18th, 2007 at 6:37 am

  N10452 am sorry bro bass i did not understand the english spirit of what mr Ayn Rand ment and since ur being a tfranslator later pleass if u dont mind explain it to mee

• 19. Tashnagtsagan | June 18th, 2007 at 8:06 pm

  Of course

• 20. Tashnagtsagan | June 18th, 2007 at 8:18 pm

  Fox ,as a Tashnagist I recommend u to forget the leader concept and build ur own parties.Our Armenian parties aren’t run by leaders,but by groups.So the decision is in ur hands to change the Lebanese system.You may disrespect the Qawmi party but they are democratic,also the communist party is the same.So following Nasrallah,Aoun,Geagea,Hariri,etc.., blindly will deepen the sectarianism and destroy Lebanon.

  Lebanese laugh at the Syrian regime ,but in fact they are copying it by other ways,for example:
  Assad’s pictures are everywhere in Syria,as well as Lebanese leaders’ in every region in Lebanon.
  I bet you that in France there isn’t even one picture of Sarkozy on the walls.

  “Zo3ama falou min libnan” is about this.

• 21. Tashnagtsagan | June 18th, 2007 at 8:20 pm

  I hope U accept this post and I want replies if it is possible.

• 22. Shadow | June 20th, 2007 at 3:48 pm

  R,

  Befham men hakyak anou baddak teftah Ouwet 3ala hssebak taykoun fi democratiyeh .

  First of all it is a SHAME that Lebanese Forces has many websites and all of them are officials . My personal opinion these websites should be closed and only one official website should stay li houweh under Hakim with all my respects la kel roufaka2 haliyine w sebkikine .

  Democratic LF should be organized under one roof which Lebanese Forces ,otherwise it will a chaos as everyone of us has his own ideas about Lebanese Forces .

  As LFers we have trust in N10452 and
  we know that he is a good LFer bass that deosnt mean this website should bean official website for LF, for a simple reason that Hakim does not have any influence on what is publishing here .

  Guys ,

  Hakim is organizing LF and there is a team working for this let us be all be inside with our ideas and let us try to convince others,

  Finally ,

  ma3leh N10452 tariya shway , inta LF w you know shabeb LF kif byethamassou, haydeh 3afwiyeh w tahamos li betmayez LF, haydeh rouh li khaleton ydef3ou 3an lebnan , lezem nethamal kelna ba3edna ma32anou ana maneh mwefa2 3ala kel shi 2alou .

• 23. R | June 21st, 2007 at 7:46 pm

  Shadow,

  You completely misunderstood.

  In fact, I am telling N that he should accept that LF he dreams of does not exist and MOVE ON.

  Now, you probably understood move on as yifta7 3a 7sebo. Actually by Move On I meant forget about the LF name, keep it for the LF and get yourself a name to feel comfortable with, and really represent what you dream/fight for.

  I said the opposite of what you concluded, I am telling him that this blog is not LF, whether he likes it or not.

  Read carefully.

• 24. mario | June 24th, 2007 at 1:29 pm

  from kuwait we are asking DR.SAMIR to make a move concern el jem3a ell 3azime .
  walawwwwwwwwwwwww.

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