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Welcome back “Terrorists” & “Murderer”

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Israel has agreed to give us back terrorists and our convicted murderer Samir Kontar in exchange of the two soldiers kidnapped by Hezbollah during the July war in 2006.

The Israeli prime minister, Ehud Olmert, announced for the first time today that the soldiers, Ehud Goldwasser and Eldad Regev, were dead.

“We know what happened to them,” Olmert told the cabinet, according to comments released by his office. “As far as we know, the soldiers Regev and Goldwasser are not alive.”

Who is that Samir el Kontar Hezbollah is so proud of ? Here is a small resume on his life and crimes committed against innocent civilians !

Samir Kontar is one of three Lebanese prisoners still serving time in Israeli jails. Kontar, a Lebanese Druze born on July 20, 1962 in the Lebanese mountain village of Aabey currently holds the dubious distinction of being the longest held Lebanese prisoner in Israeli jails! He was a member of Abu Abbas’ notorious PLF (Palestine Liberation Front) which committed despicable acts of terror against Israeli, Jewish, and American targets worldwide throughout the 1970’s and 1980’s. Kontar was convicted and sentenced to a 534 years prison sentence by the state of Israel. Israel even almost tried to pass a bill to have him executed! What did he do? What was his crime?

The Nasser Operation

The crime he committed was the most horrific crime ever committed on Israeli soil! On April 22, 1979 Samir Kontar along with a gang of three other PLF terrorists (Abed Majeed Asslan, Ahmed Al-Abras, and Mhanna Salim Al- Muyaed) departed from the southern Lebanese seashore city of Tyre on a 55-horsepowered rubber motor boat. Their destination was the Israeli coastal city of Naharyia, about 10 km south of the Lebanese border, the target of their operation was a residential apartment building. This operation was dubbed “Nasser Operation” and its aim was the killing and terrorizing of Israel’s Jewish civilians.

The terrorists made landfall in the Israeli coastal city of Naharyia at around midnight, undetected under the cover of darkness. As they made their way along the shore, they were intercepted by an Israeli police officer whom they shot dead. In Naharya the terrorists broke into a building as other Israeli police officers arrived on the scene. The terrorists then broke into Danny and Smadar Haran’s apartment, fired their weapons and threw grenades. Smadar managed to find a crawl space into which she, her younger daughter, 2 year old Yael, and a neighbor all hid. To prevent Yael from crying and giving away their hiding place, Smadar covered the child’s mouth with her hand.

According to Smadar “They held Danny and Einat while they searched for me and Yael, knowing there were more people in the apartment. I will never forget the joy and the hatred in their voices as they swaggered about hunting for us, firing their guns and throwing grenades. I knew that if Yael cried out, the terrorists would toss a grenade into the crawl space and we would be killed. So I kept my hand over her mouth, hoping she could breathe. As I lay there, I remembered my mother telling me how she had hidden from the Nazis during the Holocaust. ‘This is just like what happened to my mother,’ I thought.”

Sadly, Smadar’s attempt to muffle her daughter’s whimpering proved fatal. Yael was accidentally suffocated and died within the hiding space.

According to Smadar Haran, her last memories of Danny and Einat, that day, were when they were being led away at gun point by Kontar. She could hear from her closet space Danny telling Einat, “Don’t be scared, my baby, it will be alright” and Einat replied to him in her little voice, “Dad, where is Mommy? I want Mommy.” Smadar’s last memory of her 2-year-old daughter, Yael, was when her little daughter was taken to the apartment hiding space. Right before Yael had her mouth covered by her mother, she asked her mother “Where is my little pacifier.” There was no time to search for the pacifier. Minutes later Smadar covered Yael’s mouth to keep her from revealing the hiding space. Smadar soon felt her daughter’s tiny tongue licks and lip sucking on the palm of her hand. She didn’t know what to make of it at first but hours later was told by doctors and paramedics that the reason Yael was licking her palm while she covered her mouth was because she was gasping for air.

After taking Danny and four-year old Einat hostage, Kontar and his group took them down to the beach. Samir Kontar quickly shot Danny in the back and then drowned him in the Mediterranean Sea to ensure his death. While Kontar drowned Danny, he forced terrified Einat to watch and cry. According to eyewitnesses, “Danny was murdered in front of Einat so that his death would be the last sight she would ever see.” Little Einat would not have that horrible memory in her head for long. Kontar, the brave Lebanese freedom fighter, crushed Einat’s skull over and over upon the rocks with the butt of his rifle until she was dead.

During the ensuing shootout between Kontar’s terror group and Israeli police, two policeman were killed along with two of the Arab terrorists. Kontar and the fourth participant, Ahmed Al-Abrass, were captured. Ahmed Al-Abrass was later free by the Israeli authorities in the infamous May 1985 Ahmed Jibril prisoner exchange deal in which 1,150 Arab prisoners (some of whom had blood on their hands) were exchanged for three Israeli soldiers. Kontar was not included in the deal.

The Israeli government determined at first to make a decision to execute Kontar, for his horrific crime, especially for the fact that he tortured and beat to death the 4-year old toddler. Israeli Prime Minister at that time, Menachem Beagin , proposed a draft resolution to the Security and Foreign Affairs Committee in the Israeli Keenest on April 24, 1979. He demanded to eliminate a previous resolution stipulated by the Israeli cabinet, which said no execution should be implemented against terrorists as the international law prohibits it. The Israeli Foreign Minister Izer Weizman and Transportation Minister Hayeem Landau supported Beagin’s draft resolution. Abraham Sharer, who was the head of the Likude parliamentary bloc also, called for Kontar’s execution. Isaac Shamir issued a statement on April 25, 1979 also calling for his execution.

The Israelis tried to implement the execution sentence on Samir Kontar and the whole parliament agreed on them. The only dilemma they were having was the Israeli law that doesn’t allow execution except for the Nazis of the World War II and to those found guilty of betrayal to their country. Furthermore, they did not want the international community on their backs; also, they wanted to improve their relationship with Egypt after the peace process. As a consequence, the Israeli central court in Haifa sentenced Kontar to 5 life sentences plus 47 years to come up with the total of 542 years. During the trial, Kontar was waving victory signs, and called himself a hero.

Samir Kontar has confessed proudly to his murder of the little girl and never once showed one ounce of remorse for his crime. Even while serving his prison term, he has bragged repeatedly during interviews about how proud he was for murdering the 4-year-old Israeli child. While in prison Kontar got married and even receives conjugal visits. Below he stands proudly alongside other convicted Arab murderer, Marwan Barghouti.

Several months later, the PLF seized the Achille Lauro, an Italian cruise ship, and demanded that Israel release Kontar along with a list of 50 other Palestinian prisoners. Ironically out of the 50 Arab Palestinian prisoners that were demanded, Kontar was the ONLY one that was “actually” named on that list. The hijackers killed a wheelchair-bound American Jewish passenger, Leon Klinghoffer, and threw him overboard into the Mediterranean Sea. Kontar was not released, but his supporters would not give up. In 2004 Israel release ALL Lebanese prisoners except for Kontar and two other Lebanese (Nissim Nasser and Yehya Sakaf). In fact Kontar, as well, was almost released by Israel during that infamous Israel Hezbollah Prisoner Exchange of 2004, BUT in the last second Hezbollah violated the agreement and Kontar remained behind bars!

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Posted by N10452 on 06.29.08 @ 11:25 pm | 51 Comments

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1. kezballah | June 30th, 2008 at 1:12 am

Yalla Aouniyeh go line up at the airport to receive your new ally THE GOOD SAMIR not like the bad Samir who fought to defend the Christians against Palestinians and Syrians.

Can’t wait for the OTV special on Samir Qantar the hero
2. Bachir 7ay Fina | June 30th, 2008 at 1:30 am

hahahaha, well saidd N, kermeloun el 2erhebiyeh bi zido bi lebnen.

Iza el x-prisoner Dirany eja 3al 3ekezeh li ano ghtasabou el israeliyeh, samir el kontar ra7 yejeh 3am yez7af
3. Tarek | June 30th, 2008 at 2:29 am

Qantar should be executed here in Lebanon.
4. Arze | June 30th, 2008 at 6:48 am

N !

Have you seen the report of the Salafist in the north yesterday night on NTV ?

Now you know why i feel comfortable with Hezbollah around …

My question ….How can geagea ally with people supporting those groups politcally and militiary ? how….
5. Mickel | June 30th, 2008 at 7:24 am

Arze, how can Aoun ally himself with Hezbollah who are exactly the same as those terrorists? ( except for the baccalaureate of course )
6. Maher | June 30th, 2008 at 8:02 am

Arze I think need to feel safe with Hizballah becuase

A: U are a Aouni man with no balls, who his father neutered and sexually abused, and u are looking for emotional reason

B : U are a fat ugly woman (like frankenstein ugly) and you have no life, you have no freinds, and you find ure only reason in life is to go into politics because its what grownups do, and you only way to interact with people is to join a party who you chose to be the Aounists.

May god enlighten your path.
7. Rodge | June 30th, 2008 at 9:26 am

God help us

Hezb Shitan and his terrorists from one side
Salafists and Jihadists and Qaeda from the other side.

I think what we should do as Christians is to go up and camp in te mountains to create the likes of St. Maroun “Marada” not the thugs of Frangieh, the real ones. We should prepare ourselves to fight whoever will try to attack us.
But again, it seems that Hizb Shitan didn’t leave us any mountain to stay in, he’s dominating all.
8. INCO | June 30th, 2008 at 10:10 am

ARZE u r sooooo Aouni that is the only word that describes u well.

geagea is allied with hariri who is almost the only fuckin moderate sunni in lebanon… and the jihadist that u saw on tv thayajo w we3yo halla2 men wara l hajmé li 3emela hezballa!!! imagine if hezballa attacked the christian regions like they did in the sunni regions, u would have seen christian fanatics demanding war againts shia etc…
so just try to see the source of ALL our problems and stop being so blind
9. INCO | June 30th, 2008 at 10:22 am

But again, what can we expect from a person that prayed on imad moughniye’s grave as a martyr!!!!!!!!! the person who brought shame to lebanon is considered a martyr by the oranges… wlef TFEHHH
10. Arze | June 30th, 2008 at 11:18 am

yeah mickel…

Exept for the baccallaureat and …

the fact that they recognize christ and the christians in lebanon

and the fact that they dont slaughter human beings non sunnites as hallal

and the fact that they dont shoot and kill the army

and the fact that they met with a christian leader in a church

on the fact that they dont consider building churches as Haram

The fact that they dont burn achrafieh when they loose the address of an embassy

and much more
11. paul | June 30th, 2008 at 12:53 pm

boukra layil3an se3a yalle riji3 fia.
12. Michele | June 30th, 2008 at 2:26 pm

tfouh 3a Arze! I wonder if u have any kids n I hope u don’t! Coz it’ll be so unfair to have a parent like u!
Samir Kuntar should be executed! He deserves not to live!
13. Arze | June 30th, 2008 at 3:09 pm

Tfou 3ala 10 metlik wli !

multiply the quality of horrifying killing by 3 for Geagea and the quantity by 400 to the ISraelis ! u think a story like that is gonna shock me after what they did to the lebanese ? go see what they ve done to the people in the south ! walla chatra tchoufe kel chi be menzar wahad !
14. Arze | June 30th, 2008 at 3:10 pm

MA tba3de ktir ya khawta ! chou 3amlo el lebanese forces be sabra wou chatila ? ahh ?

3ayb ta nehke 3ayb….
15. Bachir 7ay Fina | June 30th, 2008 at 3:41 pm

Arze
ballich 7adir 7adir la 3achoura w bala dya3 lwaet han
16. beirutilibnani | June 30th, 2008 at 3:48 pm

Oh yeah ashraf elness leader will give him a full kiss on the lips upon his return then take him to the Capital of the Islamic Republic da7ieh for more celebration.

TFEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
17. Michele | June 30th, 2008 at 3:52 pm

Arze, I know that deep inside u know I was right otherwise u wouldn’t have sounded so pathetic while defending urself!
and u r so blinded by hatred, I wonder how u can survive everyday.

Now I understand why u follow Aoun n Hezbollah, u r all driven by z culture of death, lies n hate.

For z 1st time I do feel pity for u n I hope zat 1 day u’ll accept urself so u could accept z others!
18. Arze | June 30th, 2008 at 4:47 pm

Deep inside me i know that killing those 2 children was wrong ! but that doesnt mean i have to hate one without knowing the other ! and deep inside you know what the israelis are capable of doing doing to the civilians and to the hundreds of lebanese children who died because of them, so spare me this pity thing
19. kezballah | June 30th, 2008 at 5:48 pm

Amazing the simple mindedness of those 3Awmiyeh, they never grew up beyond the Jardin mentality, if you get ice cream they want ice cream, if they leave the ball and you pick it up to play with it they want it back. Today their idiot leader said Samir Qantar return is a great victory for the “mouqawama” like the 2006 great victory, so they parrot him and curse Samir Geagea. Tell them Qantar is a murderer, they say Geagea is “3″ times worse, so they win, HURRAAAAAAAA

3Awmiyeh are the stupidest species with 2 feet.
20. paul | June 30th, 2008 at 7:34 pm

shkor rabbak ya Arze inno jame3it HK ma ghalbato ben sabra wil da7ieh,kinna halla2 balek,wyalle 3am ti7ke 3announ tal3in nezlin 3arrabyeh.
21. Jester theFool | June 30th, 2008 at 8:31 pm

The LF feels Israel as a natural ally. Israel sees the LF just as how Iran sees Hezbollah… a tool!
Israel cares about its Jewish state identity, Aoun & Geagea for a Christian identity in Lebanon, Nasrallah for the Shiite rights, and the Future Movement, for themodernization and protection of the Sunnis.

We’ve all failed! We speak of Lebanese vs Lebanese instead of Iran vs Israel. NOBODY CARES ABOUT US IF WE INVENT A NEW Civil war!!!
22. Johnny.B | June 30th, 2008 at 9:40 pm

Arze mitel l-darta ma3 sawt … 3al fadeh bala ri7a …
23. Please | June 30th, 2008 at 10:56 pm

is Samir geagea a saint now?
24. Tarek | June 30th, 2008 at 11:38 pm

It’s quiet normal to see salafist groups emerging against Hizbulla especially after what Hizbulla did. So it’s all Hizbulla’s fault in the end and the traitor Aoun.
25. LUBNANI | July 1st, 2008 at 12:26 am

lebanon will have peace when christians and muslims can live and let live .. and when all the
shias can go live in iran where they belong.
26. Mickel | July 1st, 2008 at 12:48 am

Arze

Mabsout b7alak msadde2oun 3am bi maslo 3lek?

Met7elfin ma3koun bass 7atta ykoun ma3oun ghta2 massi7e.
Boukra bass ybalcho wileyit l faqih, byedba7ouk metlak metel ghayrak…

Ba3d fi samir kontar ma defa3et 3anno!

Badde chouf wa2ta trou7o tsta2bloo la he l mejrim w tbawwsoulo tizo iza 7adan menkoun ra7 yjib sirit l massi7iyye l mou3ta2alin b souriya.
27. Mickel | July 1st, 2008 at 12:52 am

But to look on the bright side of all this:

-We’re going to get Sheb3a back soon.
-There are no more Lebanese prisonners in Israel.
-And the army is slowly building up its strength.

Hezbollah is running out of excuses to have weapons.
28. hochoz | July 1st, 2008 at 8:51 am

another bright side could be that the rat living in hassan nossrallah’s beard finally gave birth to children…. now aoun will need to grow a beard to shelter some…
29. Fuziyad | July 1st, 2008 at 10:48 am

Mickel, your comment could have made some sense some time ago but now the mask has fallen and hezbollah now openly says that their weapons are not here to liberate shebba or the prisonners but to promote a long term political project (al dawla el islamiya) under the authority of wilayat el fakih, they are not hiding anymore, they are saying it openly, they know that anyway most of the lebanese are aware and hate them allready and that those who don’t are so blind that nothing will change their minds. Hezbollah is now in phase B of its project the days of seduction and muqawama are over…
30. Rodge | July 1st, 2008 at 11:07 am

Arze,

I can find numerous things to argue with ur ideas and prove you wrong in all you’re talking about, since u’re full of contradictions and ignorance, but I will just point out on one thing:
You previously said that u were LF until Samir Geagea took office and run the party.
But later, in ur #14 here, you said and I quote: “chou 3amlo el lebanese forces be sabra wou chatila ? ahh ?”
I thought you were supposed to be LF in that time.
In my opinion, and if you were really a former LF pro not only someone who hates the LF from the beginning, I can imagine that you were with Elie Hobeika, and if i’m right, I think you’re the one to blame for Sabra and Chatila.
31. Arze | July 1st, 2008 at 12:55 pm

Rodge …1st of all

Please list all ur ideas and all ur arguments and proove me that ur wrong…dont just mention it : )

2nd…regarding Sabra and chatila , please read previously what i was arguing with Michel…

She said tfeh 3aleye because this guy killed 2 children…hasab what the Isreali press says …so i just reminded her of Sabra and Chatila …why is one tfeh and the other isnt ?

in both scenarios i dont encouarage the killing of civilians , but i “do understand” the hatred that This guy had when he killed half the family in Israel, and the Hatred the Lfers had when Bachir was killed …thats the whole difference Rodge , i hope this answers ur question
32. Fuziyad | July 1st, 2008 at 1:14 pm

Arze, you didn’t answer the most intersting part…are you men jame3et Hobeika???
33. Rodge | July 1st, 2008 at 3:12 pm

Ok Arze,

I’m not satisfied with ur answer, but since you suggested and I feel for once u’re more open to a constructive discussion, I will take some of the things you wrote in this posting and try to argue them.

- in #4 You said that now you know why u feel confortable with Hezb around. By saying so, u’re admitting that we should be afraid from extremism, and while you consider those salafists as a threat, and u’re right, We consider Hizb as the same, cause no one can deny that they are extremists, just look at their military festivals, those people are ready to turn to Kamikaze for the sake of Hassouna. and you tell me that u really wait for Hizb to defend you??? what a mess

- in #10 about the baccalaureat and they recognize christians and they met in Church. Do you know St. Mikhael Church well? did you see it during the war, and mainly during the 80’s, the era in which Hizb stared to rise?? what they have done with the church? they have damaged it so much, and I know you will tell me it was war. I got married in that Church, and what I saw that day in the street, don’t show any love for christians, and what was happening in Ain Remmaneh on a daily basis from the Hizb thugs doesn’t show any love.
Also when you say they never kill people or the Army, do u still remember what happened near Mar Mikhael that day, why the Army, if it is trully the Army, shot those tugs?? why they were throwing explosives on the Army checkpoints?? we’re not the ones who did that. Also they fought the Army badly in 1983 in Chiah and Ghbeiry.

- We already spoke about Sabra and Chatila, so no need to add a thing.

What I want to say is that you Aounists follow ur leader in everything, even if he wants to throw himself (and I wish that). when he was against Hizb and Syria and Michel Murr etc.. you were hating them, and the moment he got allied with them you forgot everything.

You will tell me know that we did the same with Jumblatt and Hariri etc… and I will tell you NO because what happened in our alliance was more like spontaneous and also because they finally came to their senses and adopted the slogans we were raising, so it is a natural alliance, and no one said we forgot what Jumblatt or others did to the Christians, but it is our history, we saw the same in 1840 and 1860, but people turn the page. Why we should blame Jumblatt only, while we Christians have suffered more from each others??
In return, ur alliance is so vague, nothing relates you with Hizb, Amal, Syria, SSNP, etc… and they didn’t change anything in their previous politics and ideas. You only defend them because ur General said so, while we gathered long time before Geagea got out from prison, and since then we are criticising him every day for many statements and decisions, but we still LF by heart, we’re still faithful to the LF principles, and we know that SG is still also, but maybe he’s using another approach to different issues, and I myself see thta he’s right sometimes, and wrong in others.
You always see Aoun the saviour and the only good man, and u’ll trill stuck to him until you hit the wall together, he will not be with you, since he will flee as usual.
34. ali moughnieh | July 1st, 2008 at 4:46 pm

wow, the kind of articles i love, they aim right to the middle of my balls
35. Arze | July 1st, 2008 at 5:42 pm

Rodge
Thanks for elaborating your points here

==> We should be afraid of Extremism as you said ,but there one thing you guys are not understanding about extremist sunnist , WE :Shiiites and Christians are seen as kufar by them . We have the right to get slaughtered on their hands at any moment for the sake of Islam. Im talking not only in Lebanon but most of the of Arabic and Islamic world , you will only see christians and shiites beeing persecuted on a daily basis .
You are considering Hezbollah as a threat based on some youtube videos that had speeches in the 1980’s if not before talking about the Fakih state or what so ever…
havent bachir Gemayel Stated the same thing like many other christian leaders about amking leabnon a christian country in the past? And with time they got wiser and wiser until bachir him self asked for the 10452 and the living of muslims and christians in the same state?
Same for Hassan nasrallah and the Hizb …they got to a point where They understood that Lebanon can not live without all its people .and it took a simple meeting in a church to finally understand that and apply it in real life…

The worst part of this is that the shiia have evoluated in this thinking , and aknowledge christians ,they even go to Holy christian churches and pray for Maronites saints, they buy their picture and put them in their homes !

On the Other Side , sunnnites are going backwards …Thats the worst part Rodge they are not evoluationg…im not talking about the Sunnis in beirut , te3oul mami papi wou Verdin , im talking about 90 % of the sunnis in the south coast , in the bekaa and in the north ! hole yelli fa2aron holafe2ak , hole yelli 3am byehelmo be dawle islemie be souria .im also talking about the sunnis in Syria , and in Irak and in SAudi Arabia , and In Jordan …The threat is not in Lebanon but all around us ! The sunns are getting more and more extremist and they will become a threat to the Shiites and the christians together !

the Danger is on a global scale , yet you guys see syria and bachar el asad infront of you ! the guys are out of lebanon , yet now u want to change the regime there , not knowing the consequences of this changement….

Now your talking about the Church in Mar mikhail….you said it ! it was war ! but wait a minut…lets make a balance of who destroyed the christian community more:)

Your talking about the church beind destroyed , some clahses at Ein el remeneh with Amal(althought they were fighting on our side against the Palestinians)…but look at the other side …What have the mourabitoun, the palestinians and the druze done to us ? Burning dozens of cities and villages bi kil ma3na el kelme?raising them to the ground ?

Now your talking about the alliance of Aoun…Aoun is only allied to Hezbollah …he did not sign a paper with any other party ….

Now if the SSNP and the other parties wants to follow ! they are free! u cant stop them Rodge ! Hezbollah is not a problem to me …They have the LEAST worse scenario with the Christians !!! thats why i defend it !
When u talk about Amal , SSNP , woul be2iyn ! chou bade fion ana hol ! they all dont form 5 % of what is Hezbollah !

Again your talking about hezbollah or Amal throwing bombs on the Army ? Be charafak Rodge saro el darak woul jeich since the 1990 etlin fo2 el 60 Chakhess men hezbollah bel mouzahart for social issues ! emo 2yemeton chi mara ?
how many hezbollah died under the bullets of 14th march before the assault on beirut ?yet they were warning and again and again , bass no ears to listen….until they unleashed them selves…

How dare you compare the few fer2aya that HA has thrown on the army because they were mad of the snipers ? to the whole mess and massacares that the sunnites did in tripoli? without forgetting what they did in dounie years ago ! i even rememebr that those Terrorist slaughtered a pregnant women during the Domnie event !How can you compare this to that????

Back to my issue…Even before i started encouraging what was aoun doing on his return , when i was still an lfer , i was never against Hezbollah , yet i was always reminding people about the danger of the Sunnits and the Palestinians in Lebanon …and that we should NEVER ask for the removal of HA weapons before we disarm palestinans and send them somewhere…NEVER because either u like it or not Rodge… HA is the only one capable of facing the Palestinian/sunnite danger in Lebanon

I hope i answered some of ur questions

and for the guy who asked me if i was with hobeikha ! hell no …the only man in the LF for me is Bachir Gemayel , and there wont be anyone else like him… not now and not in the future of the LF . the LF died with Bachir
36. nassif | July 1st, 2008 at 6:59 pm

Rodge ur the man homy.
37. Delta | July 1st, 2008 at 7:00 pm

Arze man chu 3am ted 3aleh bi siboulak min aymata wla chu badak bil msabet be reasonable hizbullah took over lebanon and that what weakened the republic of lebanon and now any one can do anything and run away and for samir kintar i know in my heart that u hate him as much as we do so stop reacting like others want u to , Salem il massih bro
38. Rodge | July 1st, 2008 at 11:41 pm

Arze ya Arze,

Why the hell u’re understanding me wrong, and why you always turn the issue into a Sunnis – Shias conflict?

I admit there is this conflict and it is important, but the issue in Lebanon is more complicated.

I’m not afraid of the Shias, I’m afraid of any extremism, while you on the contrary is afraid from Sunnis, and you see 90% of them as so, which is so wrong my friend.
It is a total illusion.
I live in Kuwait, which is one of the most religious country in the area, the Islam Sunni is powerful here, and they getting more powerful, but believe me it is nothing to worry about, not all the extremists are violent or want to fight Christians and Shias, that’s not the case.
There are extremism in both side,m and it is the same, for me Hizb represents the Shias extremism with Iran, and Al Qaeda represents the Sunni extremism, and we should fight both of them. their ides, their objectives etc…

U’re wrong when u said that the Hizb festivals were like that in the 80s, we’re seeing them the same now, do you watch Palestine day festival?? or you don’t watch TV in that day??
Arze, allow me to say that u’re taking one side and u’re deviating the truth so badly because you don’t want to admit that u’re wrong.
Once again i say, i have friends from all religions, some of them are pro Hizb, and they are good friends, i have a lot of Kuwaitis both Sunnis and Shias ad friends or people i know, also Lebanese from both religions, so I don’t hate any of them but i’m trying to be objective here, I see sunnis in Lebanon those who belong to Hariri, Karame, Mikati etc… and they are all moderate, and believe me the other extremists can be demolished so fast, they love money and nothing else, don’t let anyone fools you.
In return the Shias in Lebanon are still arguing that they are deprived, eventhough “eklin el bayda wel te’chira” as we say, they got it all, and slowly they are dominating the country.
They are violent people, and if anyone of them is killed it is because he wants that.
I’m not defending Sunnis, i’m against the extremists of them, but you are not seeing any exrtremism in Shias, maybe i should send you some videos about the Hassouna speeches and the extent of woreshipness among his people, I get afraid when I hear a citizen saying that he’s ready to sacrifice all his sons and family for the sake of Hassouna. This is ignorance at its best. this guy is ready to kill me and you and anyone else for the sake of Hassouna.

I’m not trying to convince you to leave Aoun cause i know you won’t, ad believe i’m not interested in having someone like you on my side, but I’m only trying not to turn you into a Shiite Citizen, so you’ll be ready to sacrifice anything for Aoun, while he refuses to give up on a shewing game for the sake of Lebanon.
39. Arze | July 2nd, 2008 at 12:16 am

“Why the hell u’re understanding me wrong, and why you always turn the issue into a Sunnis – Shias conflict?”

Yes Rodge : ) Yes….The conflict has been , is and wll be for a long time a sunni shiite conflict …And America has no other choice then do this creating an equal balance between the 2 ennemies in order to exploit the oil and gain time
the question is …where do we stand the christians in the middle east?

And i also live in the Gulf and u can not imagine how government are afraid of terrorist attacks from the most important city Dubai till the rest of the gulf areas…

I was enjoying the whole conversation until it turns into …”i’m not interested in having someone like you on my side” , i appreciate your honesty and would have wished for a more decent spirit : )

And dont worry ..im a christian of faith and will never neglect my faith : )
40. kezballah | July 2nd, 2008 at 2:18 am

Ban kimoon the head of UN announced it is Hezbollah armed gangs and palestinian gangs armed by Syria who are responsible for the instability in Lebanon, but the 3Awmiyeh prefer to believe the Syrian killers Bashar and Nasrallah that the Sunni are the problem and the Mouqawama is great for the Christian

I can not wait for the OTV documentary on Samir Qantar the hero how he killed the woman and two children like the documentary on Tony Franjieh the other hero who murdered dozens of Kataeb supporters.

Did anyone see the hotel in Brummana that entered the Giness records? I think the 3Awmiyeh are very close to enter the Ginness book of records for stupidity.
41. Rodge | July 2nd, 2008 at 7:49 am

Arze,

Sorry for being honest, but I talk about the conflict, or let me say the many conflicts in Lebanon, but u’re still stucked to the Sunni-Shiites conflict.
It’s not all about that, in 1975 therer was no Sunni-Shiites conflict, in 1982, 1987, 1988 and 1990 there were no such things, and yet we where at war.
What Syria and Israel need from Lebanon has nothing to do with this conflict, the disaster we Christians are living under has nothing to do also. The war between Aoun & LF back in 1990 was anything but a Sunni-Shiites conflict.
What I want you to realize is that Aoun is a problem maker, and he always try to benefit from a certain situation to block things, the same way he’s doing now in the Government case.
20 years now and Aoun is on the Political scene, and yet i’m still waiting to see what would be his first achievement, and I know i’ll be waiting in vain.
Why should I follow him. when i realize that all the slogans he raised were illusions, why should I like him when I’m surer he’s the worse politician Christians had in Lebanon, wehy should I support him if he didn’t offer me anything, in fact he hurt us more and more.
I will not argue in this, since I know you will deny all that by saying that he’s the only straight leader, etc… and he sacrifices the presidency etc… I don’t want to hear that, and your problem dear Arze is that I didn’t hear from you other arguments except these, that’s why I said that i’m not interested in having someone like you on my side, and it wasn’t meant personally, i was talking about ur ideas.
The first base for a constructive discussion is that each of us should be open minded and try to understand the other person. I said that I understand ur worries about the Sunni extremists, and I tried to explain that most of the Lebanese Suinnis are not like that, and i’m not trying to defend them, but u’re still defending Hizb and insisting on denying the truth and the facts. Look at this comparison:
- about 90% of the Sunnis are pro Hariri, among them let’s say that the half are moderate people, business man, economically driven who are similar to Hariri himself, so in result we surely have about 45% of the Sunnis as moderate, and i’m being so pessimist here.

- In return, about 90% of the Shiites are pro Hizb, and if I’m gonna follow the same logic, half of them are similar to Hassouna and the hizb leaders, meaning extremists, which gives us 45% of Shiaas as extremists, and i’m being so optimist here.

For you to make the conclusion as simple as that.
42. readers | July 2nd, 2008 at 11:43 am

Ya Arze

tu es en train de t’abaisser au niveau de ces quelques Farkouh…. ca ne vaut pas la peine.
43. kezballah | July 2nd, 2008 at 3:09 pm

Voila maintenant le lecteur Francais est venu et il connait un mot Libanais reserve pour les elites “Farkouh” Je ne comprends pas ce que ces idiots font sur le blog des FL si ils considerent que c’est une perte de temps et de niveau, leur stupidite est vraiment insemblable. Peut etre que ce sont des malades mentaux et c’est pour ca qu’ils sont les seuls a comprendre ce malade mental qu’ils appellent General?
44. Rodge | July 2nd, 2008 at 3:25 pm

kezballah,
Can’t agree more with you.
U said it all.

Readers,
Merci pour votre gentillesse.
Tu sais le proverbe Arabe qui dit:
إذا أتتك مذمتي من ناقص (ريدرز) فهي الشهادة لي بأني كامل
So spare me ur bullshit que ce soit en francais ou autre language.
Ba3den Min da3ass 3ala danabak aslan?
45. Michele | July 2nd, 2008 at 3:39 pm

Kezballah n Rodge u r hilarious!!!!!

On ne peut pas`etre plus stupide que Readers. Yaret il se contente de son nickname et epargne nous de ses commentaires a la debile!

Pauvre type!!!!!!

Entre arze et nous ne te mele surtout pas, c’est 1 longue histoire d’amour!!!!!!!
46. Rodge | July 2nd, 2008 at 5:06 pm

Michele,

Readers is like Hassouna, he only comes out on occasions before going back to hide in his den like a rat.
Today Hassouna came on TV to make his cool speech as a holy angel (haram shou bari2), while readers blessed us with his short attendance to the blog.

what a duo, niyyelna.
47. kezballah | July 3rd, 2008 at 4:30 am

Rodge, I admire your patience with these stupid 3Awmiyeh, I think you should send a bill to their parents for the tutoring you give them, and for readers make it in French “scolarite”
48. kezballah | July 3rd, 2008 at 4:34 am

Michele merci tu m’as hausse le moral apres readers qui a baisse mon niveau
49. Rodge | July 3rd, 2008 at 11:58 am

kezballah,

kif ma ken haydoleh ekhwitna zghar.
I think finally they will come to their sense, only if Micho left them some.
50. Arze | July 3rd, 2008 at 3:57 pm

: )
51. sadnation | July 15th, 2008 at 12:06 pm

really everything in Lebanon is so “Relative”!!!

I see hatered in YOU MICHELLE not in ARZE..i like arze!!

i wonder where is the “lies” in hizbullah as a start ..please demonsrate!
samir alkontar didnt went to kil the kid..he went to kidnapp the nucluer weapon scientist!! her sis was killed by her mom(she killed her daughter to save herself”!!!!

when there is war, there is us army killing kids in IRAQ, there are LF killing franjieh’s little girl(yea yea yea..it was an order bla bla bla..) and why did ODwan said “LF might participate in the ceremony????”"”"”"”"”"

stop judging on”what -you-think-you-know” intentions!!!! stop fearing “hizbullah” for what you think they are planning for..