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• 1. fad14 | June 12th, 2009 at 8:16 am

  Allah yitawwil bi 3omro indeed.

• 2. Doc1559 | June 12th, 2009 at 8:43 am

  To Patriarch sfeir :

  in the 90’s you agreed on the syrians and now you’re backing the saudis ! You just go the opposite side with Aoun. Why ? Arent you the batrak of all ? Arent we all Lebanese and should work on love and unity instead of hate and division?

  I just want you to know the following ( I am not a christian) but lemme tell what I have been hearing from my Christian freinds:

  50% of the Christians dont accept you anymore. You do not represent them, I am hearing it from them on the daily basis. My Christian freinds are not against the church , they are agaisnt you in the church. It is not like the old days anymore,where the preists and macheyikh were the only educated people in the daya3 !! It is 2009, and future will always remember our actions.

  MR PATRIARCH NOW YOU WANNA GIVE GARANTEES TO HA’S WEAPON ???? WASNT ALL M14 ELECTORAL CAMPAING AGAISNT THE WEAPONS OF HA???

  At last, do unto others as you would have them do unto you (Jesus )..

  Thank you and may God bless you !!

• 3. N10452 | June 12th, 2009 at 8:52 am

  Doc1559,
  The patriarch accepted the Syrians ??? 2ayya Syrians mennoun ??? dont tell me you are referring to Taef here …

  Baddak zakrak el 2in2ileb 3al Taef keef sar ??

  The Patriarch has always done his best to keep the Christian presidency intact and keep Lebanon free and sovereign …

  This is an insult to the church and to the patriarch what you just said … so revise wisely your comments before you throw such attacks .

  As far as the 50% you speak of, If Aoun doesnt like him and they vote for Aoun, doesnt mean they dont like the patriarch

  False analogy.

• 4. N10452 | June 12th, 2009 at 8:52 am

  And its 42 %

• 5. Doc1559 | June 12th, 2009 at 9:17 am

  N10452

  Really ?? Have you spoken to Christian mou3rada guys recently ?? Have you been to their facebooks ?? Forums maybe?? Theynow like Aoun more than ever b4, and are working on boycotting the church.. Do you research my freind..

  When a child commit smgth wrong over and over again, we correct the child and punish him if needed, but when an adult and a patriach or sheikh or whatever you wanna call it does the same wrong action twice and then expects the love of people, we simply scratch our dead brains and wonder what the hell is wrong with this guy.. This is the case here.. Mu3rada christians didnt expect the Patriarch to take on them the last minute (24 hrs b4 the election) and are now fed with …

  My analogy is not wrong ya N, think about it .. look around you and see to yourself..

  Balad mazara333 3la kell al maylet….

  PS: I did not insult the batrak..

• 6. Doc1559 | June 12th, 2009 at 9:21 am

  N

  I have a feeling you gonna have to delete this post …

  I am going to sleep now..

  ba3den bala 42% taba3k.. it is 50%..

  Good luck with this post !!

• 7. soulofsydney | June 12th, 2009 at 9:31 am

  Even though I agree, I would have expected he would be more diplomatic in his election response. Comments like this could create more friction in an already polarised Maronite community & that is the last thing we need.

  Is there anywhere I can find the whole patriarch speech in English?

  Peace

• 8. Tsomet | June 12th, 2009 at 9:57 am

  DOC1559,

  You said in your post #2
  “50% of the Christians dont accept you anymore. You do not represent them, I am hearing it from them on the daily basis.”

  I have a simple question, DO YOU KNOW personnaly 50% of the christians to come up with these precise number ?

  3anjad logic té3tirrr, the same logic that helped you win the elections last week (Hehehehehe)

  Allah ma3o lal métwélé.

• 9. N10452 | June 12th, 2009 at 10:36 am

  Doc1559,
  It is quite shameful how we reached a point where people mock the Patriarch and dare speak to him that way … but this is the effect of allying with Hezbollah and losing all your values and principles .. kermel few seats …

  I will not bother answer you.
  Go read The Patriarch’s book .. u will know how wise this man was .. despite alll the small mistakes he might have done ..

  Accusing the Patriarch of accepting the Syrians is a big big insult !! not just to him but to the Church …

  You insulted him, not just direspected him.

• 10. razzouk | June 12th, 2009 at 10:43 am

  I kindly ask the patriarch to keep his personal feelings to himself and let politicians do their jobs?

• 11. THERESINIA | June 12th, 2009 at 12:00 pm

  Doc,

  I am also on the Facebook of the pro-Caporal. I want to tell you one thing. Only ONE. So you can remember it for a long time.

  The Caporal will be recorded in our History as the one who has generated the most HATRED among Christians in the ENTIRE History of Lebanon!

  He carries this hatred since a very long time!

  Someone who spills hatred like he does is not Christian.

  He is a little Hitler, a dictator, and a megalomaniac madman!

  You are going to witness soon a big increase in his dementia which will bring him to his demise.

• 12. nectarios | June 12th, 2009 at 12:15 pm

  truth has nothing to do with majority and minority.

• 13. FoX | June 12th, 2009 at 12:58 pm

  Aoun resembles Henry the 8th.

• 14. Michele | June 12th, 2009 at 1:42 pm

  Doc are u conducting statistics these days? Such a failure!

  The oranges are seriously not a reference; they r simply hypnotized people!

  The patriarch seriously for me became a hero; I truly admire his courage!
  Allah ye7mi we yikhallilna ye ya Rab!

  Btw how many Shiite resent Hassan nasrallah?

• 15. 13october1990 | June 12th, 2009 at 2:45 pm

  People like to criticize just to criticize.

  Just like to remind everyone that the Batrak was the first religious leader in 2000 that said now it’s time for Syria to get out. I did not see Aoun against the Batraks’s political interference back then. Again when it suits the Fuhrer Aoun no comment but when it works against him out of the way.

  There were rumors that Aoun was admit for a period of time to a mental institution, i guess it was true.

• 16. 13october1990 | June 12th, 2009 at 2:46 pm

  http://www.antimichelaoun.com/documents

• 17. 13october1990 | June 12th, 2009 at 2:48 pm

  http://www.generalaoun.org/freedomwriter51.html

• 18. 13october1990 | June 12th, 2009 at 2:50 pm

  free speech

  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B8UCtxj8I4o&feature=related

• 19. 13october1990 | June 12th, 2009 at 2:50 pm

  spoken like a true commander

  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l1wm62FNXeI&feature=related

• 20. 13october1990 | June 12th, 2009 at 2:53 pm

  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SbgmSNjprlo

• 21. burger | June 12th, 2009 at 6:41 pm

  Who cares if he did or didn’t insult the Patriarch? Why is it so bad to say bad things about him? It’s not like he’s a god or something, he’s just a guy who works in the Church… are we really that retarded in Lebanon that we can’t speak shit about people from the religious institutions? On top of it if he wants to get involved in politics, well, he’s really not very holy anymore, he’s just another stupid lebanese leader wannabe.

• 22. PIERRE | June 12th, 2009 at 8:17 pm

  The Patriarch is a source of wisdom and guidance to the Lebanese and the Christians in particular. Our priests are not running political parties or running for elections or militias, Unlike others. They have an opinion and they are free to express there opinion.

• 23. K | June 12th, 2009 at 8:27 pm

  @Doc1559: It’s friend not freind for f**k’s sake… r

• 24. burger | June 12th, 2009 at 9:44 pm

  Pierre,

  My point was that there is nothing wrong in talking shit about the religious leaders just because they are religious leaders. I said that because the previous discussion became an accusation and WARNING to Doc about insulting the patriarch… which is quite sad really.

  As for the wisdom and guidance of the patriarch, whatever, thats a matter of personal opinion and has nothing to do with him being a patriarch or not… I honestly don’t know much about him or what he has accomplished in his life, I’d just rather if the religious institutions stuck to preaching morals and love rather than get involved in politics. It’s a bit “backwards” for religion and politics to be intertwined, specially since religious leaders are not chosen by the followers, they just follow blindly whoever is put in that position by the religious institutions Don’t you agree? Anyways, this is just how Lebanon works, it’s all good Sorry for my rant, laterz.

• 25. Cartman | June 12th, 2009 at 9:50 pm

  “”The opposition “wanted to take over Lebanon,” Sfeir stressed. “They can say what they want. But the president is the president. He is the one who rules Lebanon now.””

  TAKE OVER LEBANON? why that language ya same7et el batrak?? why? wasn’t this a democratic election…
  if M8 had won, that’s what you would call it, TAKE OVER!!!!!
  and sure the president is still the president, meen 2al gheir hek, but as to “He is the one who rules Lebanon now.” ya3ni same7tak la 2awwi tshed 2eedak, be hal eyyem allah yse3ed le president, be rule 3ala 7alu.

• 26. burger | June 12th, 2009 at 10:03 pm

  Cartman,

  What he meant was that Syria and Iran, through their alliance with Hizbollah and M8, would re/gain control of the Lebanon. But that is just crazy talk anyways… I don’t think the FPM, Amal, Hizbollah, Marada or whoever else is in M8 wants to let Syria or Iran gain any power in Lebanon, they all want it for themselves instead

• 27. hochoz | June 12th, 2009 at 10:30 pm

  burger,

  how about you go jump off a cliff or sumthin, maybe cartman will jump after you,

  Bkerke was present at the rise of Lebanon, 1943, u know the declaration of independance?…..dumb dumb….

  As for religious leaders getting involved in politics, once u get nasrallah the rat to stop interfering with politics, then maybe…just maybe u’d have a saying in the patriarch’s wisdom,

  Patriarch Sfeir is the head of our religion, do not dare and undermine his authority

• 28. Maximus | June 12th, 2009 at 10:43 pm

  When Patriarch Youhanna Maroun came to Lebanon in the 7th century and regrouped all Maronites in the Mountains, to avoid Arabs Mo3aya and Byzantine complicity against Maronites, he founded the modern lebanon. Arabs and Byzantines tried to attack him, accusing him of being an “agent” of the Pope. But they couldn’t do anythink against him because of christian warriors protecting him in the mountains stronghold. All what the Patriarch wanted, is to immunise his people from conquerors. Today, 14 centuries later, the maronite Patriarch is still here, not Maronites but a free Lebanon where Maronites, and their christian and muslim borthers can live free. And there is still some litte dogs, christians and muslims, who accuse him of being an “agent”…

• 29. maverick | June 12th, 2009 at 10:43 pm

  theres nowhere else id rather announce this……
  But did anyone just view NEW TV, with Ibrahim Kanaan losing the plot. Haahahaha, F*^! Hillarious. Poor thing was screaming his lungs out telling the interviewer all sorts of curses.

• 30. burger | June 12th, 2009 at 10:47 pm

  hochoz,

  No thanks, I love life too much to do that.

  I don’t understand your point about Bkerke being there since the declaration of independance of Lebanon? What does that have to do with anything? Bkerke is the institution. Sfeir has been at the head of that institution since 1986. Even though Sfeir represents Bkerke, he is still an individual. I still don’t get your point? sorry.

  What does Nasrallah have to do with the wisdom of the patriarch? I don’t understand your logic.

  You shouldn’t presume to have the power to tell other people what to do and not to do. I will dare to do whatever I want, whenever I want, however I want, thank you very much.

  I must be really bored today to be wasting my time replying to you.. ah well.

• 31. danny | June 12th, 2009 at 11:10 pm

  “… I’d just rather if the religious institutions stuck to preaching morals and love rather than get involved in politics. It’s a bit “backwards” for religion and politics to be intertwined, specially since religious leaders are not chosen by the followers, they just follow blindly whoever is put in that position by the religious institutions Don’t you agree?….”

  Do you know Lebanon? if yes…Do you know the make up of the Persian state?…if Yes…? Do you know the make up of the Party of God?…If Yes….then shut up! We do not need your rant!

• 32. burger | June 12th, 2009 at 11:32 pm

  danny,

  Why are you being so aggressive? Why are you telling me to shut up? Isn’t this a place to discuss things? What does Persia or Hezbollah have to do with the patriarch getting involved in politics? Why are you and hochoz assuming that I am pro-Hezbollah? Is your brain so bipolar that if anyone slighty diverges from your opinion then he is the enemy pro-Hibzollah, pro-Aoun who wants to destroy all of Lebanon type?

• 33. Elie.F | June 12th, 2009 at 11:39 pm

  Why bother with such peice of scumbags retarded creatures.

  Forget about Mc donalds shweyy and his silliness.

  Did anyone of you watched the AL FASAD on NEW TV tonight, if no please watch the rerun on this Sunday.

• 34. 13october1990 | June 12th, 2009 at 11:44 pm

  What was Al Fasad about tonight?

• 35. Maximus | June 12th, 2009 at 11:47 pm

  Berger
  Because you are transcripting some clichés from the West which supposed that “modernity” or “progressivness” means to desacralise religion. That do not work in lebanon, aprticulary amongst Maronites.
  The maronite Patriarch is ELECTED by an electoral college composed of bishops and seculars. Patriarch Sfeir is the 76Th patriarch. You can not criticise ou FATHER as a banal bishop named by the Pope as in Europe or US. You don’t have any idea of what represent the Patriarch for the Maronites. And maybe you don’t knwo who are the Maronites. The Maronites are the only people in the World who hold the name of a SAINT. Their Identity, forged during 14 centuuries of resistance is based on their RELIGIOUS culture. The Patriarch is the center of their identity. It is not a question of separate politics and religious matters. It is a question of existence and identity in which the Patriarch is central.

• 36. burger | June 13th, 2009 at 12:03 am

  Maximus,

  I am a maronite, well, I was born a maronite So I do know a bit about that. And, as you probably already guessed, I’m not really from the West

  Anyways, thanks for not insulting me or telling me to shut up like the other people, and for giving me a thoughful response.

  I do know how important religion is in Lebanon to define a persons identity and existence, and I understand it. My point initially was that, as soon as religious institutions start getting involved in politics, they have to expect being treated and criticized like politicians. The reason is, even though all maronites share the same faith, they don’t share the same political views. Therefore, Bkerke shouldn’t alienate itself from believers by taking political stances that can’t agree with everyone. Bkerke and Sfeir brought this critisism on to themselves by taking a political stance that isn’t shared by all the FPMers… unforunately and Sfeir is now being criticized by other politicians, making him look a lot less holy, important and “pure” to all maronites and making Bkerke lose it’s lust and moral high ground…

• 37. Doc1559 | June 13th, 2009 at 12:07 am

  Burger

  It is the limited way of thinking that makes the other side (means you and I) looks scary to them. They are very veryyyy limited when it comes to discussion, we’re all garbage and they’re the ppl.. they asked you to shut up hala2 ba3ed chuway they’ll call you rat and cookroach and and ..

  You can taste the hate in the air buddy. Therfore, I am going to have a good dinner now and then come back with a full stomach..

  Oh wait till I answer them 2night.. ra7 bekol 500 massbeh w ra7 sir rat w sarsour w bla bla…

  Have a good day..

• 38. Elie.F | June 13th, 2009 at 12:08 am

  WATCH THE RERUN OF AL-FASAD ON NEW TV THIS SUNDAY, IT IS ABOUT THE PEOPLE WHO ORGANISED ALL THE ELECTION PLAN FOR BRAHEEM KENAAN, AND THEY SHOWED THE CHECKS THEY HAVE FROM HIM AND THE FUEL COUPONS AND AND AND…. BUT THE BEST PART IS WHEN BRAHEEM KENAAN CALLED AND STARTED YELLING ON THE PHONE AND THROWING INSULTS FOR GHADA EID AND HER PROGRAM.

  MUST WATCH TO SEE THE REAL FACE OF ISLA7 WIL TIGHYEER.

  CHEERS THERESINIA,MICHELLE,RIMA.

• 39. burger | June 13th, 2009 at 12:12 am

  Elie,

  No one cares.

• 40. Elie.F | June 13th, 2009 at 12:13 am

  MEEN BELO FEEKON YA 3AMMI.

  فضيحة مدوية كشفها تلفزيون “الجديد” ضمن برنامج “الفساد” بالأسماء والوقائع حول قيام النائب ابراهيم كنعان بشراء مئات الأصوات في المتن خلال الإنتخابات النيابية وكنعان يتصل بالبرنامج ويفقد أعصابه ويبدأ بالشتائم يميناً ويساراً على الهواء مباشرة.

  MUST WATCH THE RERUN THIS SUNDAY.

• 41. Elie.F | June 13th, 2009 at 12:14 am

  EXPECT TO LISTEN FROM THE THREE STOOGES WE HAVE HERE THAT HARIRI IS PAYING FOR THIS TV STATION.

• 42. Che | June 13th, 2009 at 12:16 am

  Those who bash the Patriarch don’t know anything about the history of Maronites, and most likely are born anatomically upside down.

• 43. Maximus | June 13th, 2009 at 12:28 am

  Berger
  Political matters concern taxes, budget, health policy, industrial development, eduaction programms… You can think that the patriarch should not take a position in “political matters”. Maybe. But when it comes to the structure of the state in which Maronites do live, the Patriarch can not but intervene. It is his duty. Aoun is not debating “political” matters, but is trying to change the structure of the State in a way that is the opposite of what Maronite believ since centuries. Maronites accepted not to be attached to the West in favor of Lebanon. But not in favor of the East. You can not deny this. You can approve Aoun. But you should not be surprised when the Patriarch stand against him.

• 44. hochoz | June 13th, 2009 at 12:41 am

  Elie F…..kirmel allah ….send me a link…..cuz new tv fada2iyye has a retarded schedule…

  Plz link bro….as soon as u see this on youtube

• 45. hochoz | June 13th, 2009 at 12:45 am

  N…
  please we expect a whole topic on ibrahim kinaan’s scandal as soon as u get the tape, or news or whatever…

• 46. hochoz | June 13th, 2009 at 12:48 am

  K nevermind,

  I think i found it

  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RdZNmRtOp5c

• 47. hochoz | June 13th, 2009 at 12:50 am

  Ahahahahaha….bye bye michel el murr ….

  bye bye ibrahim kanaan……

• 48. burger | June 13th, 2009 at 12:51 am

  Maximus,

  I agree with what you are saying. The problem is, Lebanon has 15 other religious groups than the maronites, and if each religious institution from each group gets involved in politics publically and wants to protect it’s own community, the only solution is war. Religious figures should stay away from politics and let politics be run by secular political groups who don’t represent a specific religious group but rather represent political ideas. Then, the different religious institutions can lobby their cause privately with the secular political groups and maintain their public image as ambassadors of faith.

  The recent Bkerke and Aoun altercation hurts Bkerke much more than it hurts Aoun; it hurts the “holy” image of Bkerke. Politics are nasty business in Lebanon and Bkerke needs to maintain it’s moral high ground and only get involved privately behind closed doors as not to hurt that image.

• 49. danny | June 13th, 2009 at 1:02 am

  burger,

  Is attacking the religious leader of the eastern arabs your idea of fun? Let’s disect a simple episode not too detached from our memory…LBC show (a skit) involving Hassan Nassrallah…Now that is a political leader of HA…Right? what happened?

  Any religious leader has the right to direct his flock! If you do not like it change your religion or complain to your batrak orange! I was not being aggressive. I am just pointing out what Cardinal Sfeir was hinting at (unless you are on drugs…you would have undestood the ramifications of such a shift)

  Anyways, I do not want to go back and forth! I respect Khameini and his beliefs…good for his followers…I respect Nassrallah Sfeir for his beliefs!

  As for the separation of church and state…Please peddle that somewhere else! Since Lebanese system is based on sectarian balance your line of “analysis and reasoning” is nothing but bumpbkus!

  Respectfully…lakhayem

• 50. danny | June 13th, 2009 at 1:08 am

  Ibrahim kenaam=LOSER OF THE CENTURY…I think he should go on Aoun’s meds…Shame on anyone who still listens to this dirtbag!!! Watch it and be the judge!

• 51. burger | June 13th, 2009 at 1:11 am

  danny,

  I am not pro-Aoun, so get that out of your head please. Also, I don’t give a crap about Nasrallah. Also, I did change my religion, I decided not to be part of any “flock”, because I am not a sheep waiting to be “flocked”.

  “As for the separation of church and state…Please peddle that somewhere else! Since Lebanese system is based on sectarian balance your line of “analysis and reasoning” is nothing but bumpbkus!”

  Have you ever read the Lebanese constitution? Go read it please and you will see that your statement is bogus. Let me quote a line from the preamble of our constitution :

  “h. The abolition of political confessionalism is a basic national goal and shall be achieved according to a gradual plan.”

  It then has a whole section entitled “[Part] F. On the Abolition of Political Confessionalism” and explains the steps and procedures to abolish confessionalism and go into a secular system. The current confesionalism is only meant to be a transitition.

• 52. danny | June 13th, 2009 at 1:17 am

  burger…U are spinning badly like ibrahim kanaan! Respect the Batrak or as I said SHUT UP!…

  The gradual crap is great…just like syrians were supposed to be out in 1992!

  Good like little baby!

• 53. danny | June 13th, 2009 at 1:18 am

  *luck

• 54. burger | June 13th, 2009 at 1:23 am

  danny,

  lol. You sound a bit more like Kanaan right now. Insulting, giving me orders and screaming “SHUT UP”.

  Thanks for the laugh.

• 55. Maximus | June 13th, 2009 at 1:29 am

  Berger
  You changed your religion? To what? Muslim? Or you renounced to any religion? Are you proud of your new status of modern consumer yuppy happy globe trotter? And you are inovating your new status of i am noone coming from nowhere by calling the Maronite Patriarch to not interfere in politics?
  By tomorrow morning, get up to Mar Charbel, recite the Holy Rosary and you will rediscover who your are.

• 56. burger | June 13th, 2009 at 1:38 am

  Maximus,

  Let’s not get personal here… I didn’t mount any personal attacks on you, I expect the same in retrun. My personal faith is my problem and no one elses. Also, why do you care so much about my religion? What matters is what I am writing and discussing. For all you know, I could just invent a fictional character and be that person online… Maybe I am a fictional character Does it make a difference?

  I was not talking religion or faith here, I was talking politics and so was Sfeir, I was talking about the relationship between religion, politics and state, about secularism and confessionalism.

  You guys turned this into a personal attack, I still don’t understand why…

• 57. esper | June 13th, 2009 at 1:50 am

  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RdZNmRtOp5c

• 58. Maximus | June 13th, 2009 at 2:00 am

  Berger,
  You criticized the Patriarch not for what he said but because he talked politics. I explained to you why for Maronites, the status of the patriarch is particular.
  So you came to inform us that you have changed your religion because you don’t want to be “part of any “flock”, because I am not a sheep waiting to be “flocked”. That means either you have never been a christian, and you can’t be but muslim, so you understand that we can’t accept your insult of our faith, either you have been an ignorant christian who don’t even know the significance of the symbol of the sheep. In that case, don’t be surprised by our contempt of your ignorance which make you a real sheep, following the wrong flock, niether by my counsel to get up to mar Cherbel to recite the Holy Rosary…

• 59. burger | June 13th, 2009 at 2:12 am

  Maximus,

  I only talked about my personal religious side of things to counter a few personal attacks. It has nothing to do with the discussion.

  I was simply arguing that the Patriarch shouldn’t talk politics in public and take sides, because it causes tensions and problems for everyone. Now you are talking about my religion, trying to guess if I’m muslim or an ignorant christian or if I’m following the “wrong flock ”. And then you are also saying that I insulted your faith, which I never did… If it sounded that way, I apologize.

  Btw, you sound like a priest

• 60. danny | June 13th, 2009 at 4:26 am

  burger…ur too cheap…Mc Donald….You stink!!

• 61. danny | June 13th, 2009 at 4:39 am

  burger….you seem one of those with split personality disorders….Oh..ohh…please do not feel “hurt or insulted” poor baby! Again, any idiot (like you) who attacks the Batrak is just that…So kindly SHUT UP or buzz off (as it seems that’s the only language you master in…PLEASE do not disown Kanaan so easily) If you have nothing constructive to add to the debate except old slogans and regergitated BS…keep your racist comments to yourself! Now mr Orange crawl back to your stall and make some cool aid…

• 62. burger | June 13th, 2009 at 5:16 am

  danny,

  Now you sound like Aoun

• 63. Doc1559 | June 13th, 2009 at 7:33 am

  N10452

  Say what you want abou the Patrirach, plain facts are showing that he is driving people away from the church, especially after his last speech against M8 !! You know it N10452 , I know you do !!

  The best FPM can do now is to ignore him and dont even bother responding back to whatever he says. He already lost ground (big ground trust me) and will be losing more support bcuz simply Lebanese Christians support secularism against sectariasm ! This is a fact and a study, and you cant change it no matter what you say , do or beleive…. Face it !

  FPM have nothing to gain by publicy opposing the batrak but alot to lose if they keep on attacking him. I am going to ask all of them to start doing what you guys do: GIVE THE BATRAK A LIP SERVICE AND GO THE OTHER WAY AROUND..

  And time will take care of the rest..

  Thank you N and plz do not respond back ! lets close this sensetive topic..

  PS: I did not insult the batrak but truth really hurts..

• 64. Doc1559 | June 13th, 2009 at 7:43 am

  Tsomet

  I know as many Christians as you do cha3eb ghashim of yours!!

  Now tell me how many Muslims do you know ??? I bet you none zero walla chi.. I can tell from the way you talk , you always use generalization and stereotypes ! Its obvious, reread your 8 !!

  Kbar ya sabeh..

• 65. Rima | June 13th, 2009 at 7:44 am

  Doc
  well they have an option to convert to Islam Shiaa I believe in the fredom of religion do you ali?

• 66. Doc1559 | June 13th, 2009 at 7:56 am

  Theresinia

  I will refrain from answering you so I am not offending anyone..

  bass 1 question and lemme see how smart you are :

  How will the batrak be recorded in your history? Please answer ..

  Michele

  You made me laugh. FPMers dont count ? LOL, it took you ,LF , kateeb , a7rar, and other Christian minories to compete agaisnt aoun and FPM!! Hala2 they are not a reference??

  As for Nassralah, I personally dont agree with him on alot of things, but obviously 92% of shiaa voted him in !! Do the math… I say about 9-10% of shiaa oppose him..

• 67. Michele | June 13th, 2009 at 8:07 am

  92% of the Shiite ya Doc?! Damn u’ll definitely make Bashar el Assad jealous!

  Seriously Alloush statistics is not ur thing!

  How abt I buy u a chicken shawarma sandwich to make u happy!

  Oh n yes, the oranges r not a reference at all!

• 68. Michele | June 13th, 2009 at 8:09 am

  And obviously ya Burger u need that blog to validate ur life; it must be quite boring to be YOU!

• 69. Doc1559 | June 13th, 2009 at 8:19 am

  Rima

  Chu khass hey bi hey ?? Please do not change the subject. I beleive in freedom of relegion, and oppose what the wahabi chariaa are doing to people now days. I (the shiaa and thx for your words) will never kill for the sake of killing.

  Bass yalla lemme answer so I am not running away from you , and trust me you don’t wanna go this way (ask PATRICK )

  Islam stands for total freedom of religion and expression. Let me
  here quote the relevant verses from the quran on the subject eventhough I dont wanna go this way , here:
  a. Let there be no compulsion in religion: truth stands out clear
  from error (02 : 256).
  b. To you be your way and to be mine (109 : 06).
  c. Say, “The Truth is from your Lord.” Let him who will believe,
  and let him who will reject (it) (18 : 29).
  d. Say to those who do not believe: “Do whatever ye can: we shall
  do our part” (11 : 121).
  e. He that receives guidance benefits his own soul: but he that
  strays injures his own soul. Nor art thou set a custodian over
  them (39 : 41).
  f. If then they turn away, We have not sent thee as a guard over
  them. Thy duty is but to convey the message (42 : 48).
  g. Invite (all) to the Way of thy Lord with wisdom and beautiful
  preaching ; and argue with them in ways that are best and most
  gracious (16 : 125).
  h. Fight in the cause of Allah those who fight you. But do not
  transgress limits ; for Allah loveth not transgressors (02 :190).

  The above mentioned verses clearly indicate the position of Islam
  as a religion vis-a-vis other religions.

  Thank you rima..

• 70. Michele | June 13th, 2009 at 8:23 am

  Is that why ya Alloush u get the penalty of death if one decide to reject Islam n convert to another religion?

• 71. Doc1559 | June 13th, 2009 at 8:24 am

  Michele

  Where are the votes of those who oppose Nassralah ??

  Chiken shawrma and orange Juice law sama7te, hayde 40$ w khale al ba2i tip..

  Still waiting on your visit to MI – USA !! lemme know when you come this way..

• 72. Doc1559 | June 13th, 2009 at 8:27 am

  Michele

  You’re also switching the subject.. Stick to :

  Sfeir: Election Result Foiled Takeover by Iran, Syria..

  Remember N10452 ma badu yena ne7ke religion..

• 73. Michele | June 13th, 2009 at 8:36 am

  He he he typical ya alloush typical!

• 74. Doc1559 | June 13th, 2009 at 8:39 am

  michele

  What do you mean by typical ?? I can answer you.. gimme an okay from N10452 and I will..

  Waiting..

• 75. Doc1559 | June 13th, 2009 at 8:53 am

  Michele

  Chew on these verses from the bible while we’re waiting on N’s okay :

  For worshipping other gods

  If there be found among you … that … hath gone and served other gods, and worshipped them … Then shalt thou … tone them with stones, till they die. Deuteronomy 17:2-5

  If thy brother, the son of thy mother, or thy son, or thy daughter, or the wife of thy bosom, or thy friend, which is as thine own soul, entice thee secretly, saying, Let us go and serve other gods, which thou hast not known, thou, nor thy fathers … thou shalt stone him with stones, that he die. Deuteronomy 13:5-10..

  ASK PATRICK YA MICHELE… YOU DONT WANNA GO THERE ..

  Are we crystal now ??

• 76. Doc1559 | June 13th, 2009 at 8:55 am

  Michele

  Good night girl ..

  I 4got for a second that you’re an atheist !!! Soryy !! I take my 75 back..

• 77. Michele | June 13th, 2009 at 9:01 am

  Lek ya alloush u have recited half of the Quran n u criticized the wahabi regime n when I asked u a question abt the Iranian penalty system it suddenly became a religious matter!

• 78. Doc1559 | June 13th, 2009 at 9:05 am

  Michele

  I take everthing back… Goodnight sweety

• 79. Rima | June 13th, 2009 at 9:55 am

  “Chew on these verses from the bible while we’re waiting on N’s okay :”

  N kiff mara2tillo yeha haydeh la Allaouch shou verses min el bible sarou 3ilkeh bi nazar allouch!

  This is called defamation of religions! Shame on you ya Doc/Ali! Walla bass shatriin tnazlo el dinn kirmeil sha2feit sketch 3an hassouna…Bass mich ha2 3aleik ha2 3ali bi rid 3leik we biya3tik 3immeh bi hal blog!

  Ma assar fik Danny!

• 80. 13october1990 | June 13th, 2009 at 10:28 am

  Since we are living in a country were religion shapes politics, then religious figure has the right to talk. Isn’t Hassan Nasralleh considered a religious figure more than a politician? Then why does he have the right not only to give his opinion but to have an armed party, decide when Lebanon goes to war, direct people to political agendas and judge politicians.

  I’m against all religious interference in politics, but until then the batrak has the right to talk and give his opinion. I did not see Aoun or anyone complain when the Batrak said in 2000 that Syria should leave Lebanon, wasn’t that interference in politics?

  Doc1559,

  It’s good that you know your religion. But you also know that radical Islam has nothing to do with the Islam religion. Islam is much deeper than how AL Qa3ida, the salafis and Iran show it. It’s a shame that America manged to change the true meaning of Islam and the extremists have helped them. I wish you would go read some of Imam Moussa El Sader speeches, did you ever ask yourself why he was kidnapped.

  Maybe you should go read the Iranian constitution that is based on Islam and see how much of that constitution is implemented. Youtube is a free service go check what is happening in Iran and Saudi, how people are being treated.

  When writing versus from the Holy Bible please do not change them, that is disrespect. Christianity evolves, and these actions were practiced in the middle ages not in the 21st century. Please if you have proof of a Christian that converted to Islam and was killed, i would appreciate that.

  So guys stop talking about religion, after all we all worship the same GOD. Religion and politics is a bad formula.

  In Syria 99.9% voted for Bashar El Assad, do you really think that this is a true figure? In the Russian Soviet Federative Socialist Republic during the 1990 elections the communist party got 86% of the votes after the fall of the Soviet Union the communist party got 12.5% of the votes.

  You say 92% voted HA, do you think it has something to do with the services HA are presenting and the fear of being persecuted. What about Ahmad EL Asaad? did you see the attacks on him and the threats to his campaigners. What about Bassem El Sabe3? When you install fear in people they will vote your way. By the way out of the Lebanese Shiaa population only 50% voted. Are the other 50% pro HA.

  Doc1559 i don’t want you to think i’m attacking you. I fully respect other opinions, but it would be better to be pragmatic if you really care about the future of Lebanon.

• 81. THERESINIA | June 13th, 2009 at 12:39 pm

  Doc,
  Please stop your argumentation…
  and read again my Post #11

• 82. sick | June 13th, 2009 at 4:29 pm

  Docccc

  Your 63 is an outstanding reply , very logical and straight to the point. Rima and Michele didn’t know what to say so they responded back by at**tacking your religion(#65&79) and you failed into their trap. Why did you do that, doc? Why did you go their way ?

  Doc, do not let them drag you to the wrong place. You hamm**ered them on the head, do not ruin it by going the other way around it. They want to attac**k their faith so they can show that you’re a rad**ical, when you’re not.

  They are ch–eap ! This has been their style for ever.

• 83. Michele | June 13th, 2009 at 6:50 pm

  Sick dude, seriously, we already know that u r a low class vulgar person, but I’m wondering whether u were a girl or just 1 of those frustrated syrians who loves to be wz boys?

  I mean seriously aren’t u guys enough scr*wed by Bashar al Assad that u r still seeking aloush’s attention?

  Now I understood why u call urself sick…

• 84. paul | June 13th, 2009 at 7:37 pm

  Doc,now you must buy a camel

• 85. sick | June 13th, 2009 at 8:50 pm

  Michele

  You like syrian sujuk ? I know you Armenians do like it hot sujuk on syrian bread, you call it Lebanese bread. I pitty you Lebanese girls.

  Shu-t up ya zbaleh.

• 86. Michele | June 13th, 2009 at 8:56 pm

  Aha sick dude! I did guess right!

  U do like boys!!!!

  Not only u r a vulgar low class sick dude but u LOVe boys!

  Hey nothing wrong wz that but I’m sure that u r not Doc’s style so stick to ur Syrian sujuk wz ur Syrian bread we sa7ten!

• 87. danny | June 13th, 2009 at 9:00 pm

  wow…

  ya Sick transgender…Whenever I thought you could not go lower into the serwers; you come up with #85…

  Are an abused child? Uncertain of your gender? I would not ask anything else as we all well know it is hard for your to compute more than a sentance at a time!

  You nad rotten crap like you is what ails the country! Sick b*A*S*T*ard…

  I think you are another great candidate for rami’s psychiatrist! Crawl back into the hole and STAY there!

• 88. Fuziyad | June 13th, 2009 at 9:20 pm

  N, where is your moderation system? seriously you should ban doc for ever, let him go and play the intellectual somewhere else…

  What about sick? how do you leave his posts here?

• 89. danny | June 13th, 2009 at 9:42 pm

  Fuziyad,

  I agree especially sick and his like…As for Doc; he is amusing…We need his idiocy for comic relief. however, when they cross the line they should be banned!!

  Also ya fuziyad, doc cannot even pretend to be an intellectual….wasted time and effort on a flunkie…No added value!

• 90. sick | June 13th, 2009 at 9:57 pm

  Danny and michele

  Aha, you hate it when others treat you the same way you treat us ! I am only using your communication style ya chabab

  N doesn’t need to block me, I am out for good this time.

  Good luck and may we keep our SUJUK upon your a$$ now and always.

  Doc and ja3far.

  It was nice talking to you partners. But let me remind you of a famous Islamic saying : swfa lan yarda 3laykom al yahud wal nassara 2ila iza tab3tum milatuhum.

  BTW, I am a Christian from syria. A proud Arabic Christian, a true one.

• 91. paul | June 13th, 2009 at 10:09 pm

  sick ,what do you mean when you said,you was nice to doc and ja3far BUT… and in the same time you said وابداً لن ترضى عنك اليهود ولا النصارى حتى تتبع ملتهم do you want to prove that you’re Syrian?

• 92. Fuziyad | June 13th, 2009 at 10:55 pm

  Danny fhemtné ghalat, didn’t say 3alé was an intellectual, god forbid…

  But he thinks he is, even though all his nazriyet are 7aké chaufferiet service…

• 93. ja3far | June 13th, 2009 at 11:21 pm

  paul.. let me answer for sick as it seems he left..
  you can place sick under those mentioned in the quran as:
  لَتَجِدَنَّ أَشَدَّ النَّاسِ عَدَاوَةً لِّلَّذِينَ ءَامَنُواْ الْيَهُودَ وَالَّذِينَ أَشْرَكُواْ وَلَتَجِدَنَّ أَقْرَبَهُمْ مَّوَدَّةً لِّلَّذِينَ ءَامَنُواْ الَّذِينَ قَالُواْ إِنَّا نَصَارَى ذلِكَ بِأَنَّ مِنْهُمْ قِسِّيسِينَ وَرُهْبَاناً وَأَنَّهُمْ لاَ يَسْتَكْبِرُونَ

  sick .. i am very lucky to have some syrian christian friends from Al wadi .. lovely place , and great people ..take good care of yourself
  regards

• 94. Doc1559 | June 14th, 2009 at 5:02 am

  Sick

  Set aside some time for yourself, some time to nurish your spirit and free your mind from the BS that goes around here. Whether you’re a Christian( 2ilet 2inak massiye, Muslim or jew, You are not our enemy and will never be our enemy…

  Take care and salam .. and always as Jesus said :Love the Lord your God with all your passion and prayer and intelligence. Love others as well as you love yourself..

  Bass 7aram our friends on this blog ma bya33rfu hek,,, bya3rfu 2inu ne7na irhebiye w zo3ran w bass…

• 95. Doc1559 | June 14th, 2009 at 5:02 am

  I will answer the rest 2night..

• 96. Rima | June 14th, 2009 at 6:31 am

  Hi guys

  #94 Ba3d shouwey ra7 yirsha7 zeit!

• 97. Michele | June 14th, 2009 at 11:13 am

  ma ahbal min el sick homsi gheir heckel & jeckel AKA Doc & Jaafar!

  Seriously a sick syrian can that easily fool u? Bahdaltouna sarra7attan! Being a Lebanese u should outsmart that idiotic syrian! Ba3d na’ess t3mloulo kamen mouzahara hon 3al blog we tsammouwa “Shoukran Souriya!”

  3anjad maskhara!

  Ya alloush if u truly want us to stop thinking that HA are terrorist then just stop murdering and attacking innocent Lebanese people!

• 98. Cartman | June 14th, 2009 at 9:29 pm

  Michele,
  ana el yoom baddi sib soriya ma3ek, w ma baddi khalli wla ba22i b souriya wel souriyeen, you know why?
  la2enno we2foo bewej el el eshterakiyeh bi youm min el eyeem, lamma ken jomblat tale2 ye2la3 el tatarof el massi7i min shroosho 2ale3, w ken jomblat rab7an that battle big time lawla tadakhol soriya.

• 99. Doc1559 | June 15th, 2009 at 1:18 am

  Oct13

  Hello and welcome to the blog,

  First of all, thank you for not insulting me; this is something unusual on this blog. Most people (most not all) here don’t believe in dialogue or discussion and the minute you disagree with them DEGHRE MIN DUN MAZEH they will call you R-at, coc–kroach, ter–ror**, mor–on and…
  The question you have raised about the punishment of apostasy in Islam, like any other question related to Islam, needs to be answered in the light of the Qur`an and the authentic ahadith (reliable hadith not the wahabi human made hadith).
  Most of the negative imaging of Islam is done by the wahabi salafi regime, a relatively small minority of Christians and Jews and those writers and reporters who are under their power. These people are not going to simply stop if we rejected the death penalty for apostasy. They will just find something else to paint Islam negatively. The only way they can stop is if the challenge of Islam is removed and Muslims start behaving like them.

  Also, I did not change nor reversed any biblical verses in my comment # 75. The bible if full of questionable verses that drove a lot of Christians away from the church, something very similar to what we call fake hadith, where some Muslims left Islam because of it. I advise you to go and read what the bible says about amputation, stoning, torture, war (i.e. Blessed be the LORD my strength which teacheth my hands to war, and my fingers to fight: Psalm 144:1).. I am not going to take this any further so I am not offending some people around here. It is Time for us to put religion on the side already.. I hope we can do that someday.

  As for those 50% of the shiaa (per you) who didn’t vote HA and amal. Well, let me tell you something, my whole family didn’t vote and are fed up with both side M8 and M14. But at the same time, we would like to support and only support (not vote) HA and amal than to give our votes to M14. So only those who voted Assaad family are accutually against HA and amal. Those 50% may not like what HA and amal are doing on the ground, but with no doubt about it, they will not go down to the poll and vote them out. Ya3ne they rather vote white paper than to vote the opponents in. Those 50% may disagree with HA and amal but are not against HA and Amal, You may disagree with what geagea is doing to the ouwet now days but you’re not against geagea, do you get my point? The Shiaa Street is a big street and there is no possible way to unite all of it under HA. Fear is neither a factor for me nor my family, we can disagree with the hizeb and amal all we want and nothing will happen to us. Please don’t believe what you see on TV and hear on the radio, remember even during the event of may 7 , Ha didn’t kill just to kill and all 500 FM captured fighters were returned safely to their families, only 10 died fighting … zo3ran do exist and za3ranet can happens anytime, bass mish bi kell tayfe bi zo3ran w fi ma–neyik?? hayed mish chaghlitna 2inu ndob al zo3ran, hayed chaghlit al police wel gesh.. Nassrallah can only control his guys so is berry but what about the rest of the zo3ran who don’t belong to HA nor Amal ?

  At last, we (the shiaa) believe in ‘’ al ta3yuch al isslami al massi7i sarwa yajeb al tammasuk biha, imam mussa al sader) and will remain that way. But does the other side believe in ta3yuch isslami massi7i sarwa yajeb al tammasuk biha ?? This is the problem we have in Lebanon.

  Thank you…

• 100. Doc1559 | June 15th, 2009 at 1:31 am

  Danny

  I usually dont answer you back bcuz to me you’re a helpless ra-cist little cat bass yalla i need to laugh..

  We may be born with the ability to hear, but we have to learn how to listen. You may think you’re a good listener,but the truth is that racist people like don’t listen at all. They simply speak abd then think about what they’re going to say next bass 7aram when they have nothing to say ya3ne your case , they will start attacking the other side by using a low language that describes best their personality (mish inta yalle bitdakal tsseb w te7ke RA-T W COO**ROACH W PAD-DEN ROOM W SEW- W ER WMA BA3REF CHU ??

  In psychology, we call you a person with low self esteem. Individuals with low self-esteem are more likely to be unfreindly, and show a lack of respect for themselves and others. YOUR CASE .

  Yalla go back to your yard little cat..

• 101. Doc1559 | June 15th, 2009 at 1:32 am

  Fuziyad

  Stick to your bottle..

• 102. danny | June 15th, 2009 at 4:55 am

  Stray doc (dog),

  blah blah blah….Learn a few ideas and put a few sentences together…

  Now…shhhhhhhhhhhhh

• 103. Michele | June 15th, 2009 at 5:54 am

  Eh tedrab ma ahballak ya Cartman! Shacklak min el ness elleh ma biyefhamo ella bil bahdallé wel zel!

• 104. Doc1559 | June 15th, 2009 at 6:57 am

  Michele

  Where have you been hanging out lately? Is it around danny or something like that? All your replies are based on insults.. deghre iza wa7ad bi2lik chi bit2ililo ahbal, mastul, banout, ga*y bla bla… Danny is a bad kid with a bad habit of insulting everyone.. Plz do not turn like him (your reply to cartman is patheticcc)..

• 105. Michele | June 15th, 2009 at 8:01 am

  Lah ya Alloush lah! 7atza3elné minnak!
  Since day 1 I joined I started bashing n calling all the idiots, idiots!
  Danny does inspire me on all levels but not on that 1!

  Come on Doc, it wouldn’t be me if I don’t bash all the idiots on that blog!
  I’m sorry if I have ever mislead u n made u think that I could be a sweet nice girl coz I’m nothing like that.
  Hmmmmmm, now tell me how is my case described in psychology?

• 106. Doc1559 | June 15th, 2009 at 8:16 am

  Michele

  say what you wanna say , I still like you for some reason I really do..

  As for your question, and according to the way you carry yourself on this blog, I would place someone like you under what we call the director excess zone, ya3ne you are a director..

  director style your case I beleive :

  * is determined to come on top all the time (you do)
  * Will not admit being wrong.
  *Appears cold and unfeeling when dealing with others got ya on this one eh ?
  *Tend to use dogmastic phrases such as , always, never, you do this and you do that.. you can’t.. you’re an idiot.. and and..

  Now ana jewabtik 3la your question.. plz answer my question law sama7te.. ARE YOU A DIRECTOR SOME WHERE ? Ya3ne school , hospital, nursing homes, big retail stores..

  PLZ ANSWER WITH A Y OR N!!

• 107. Doc1559 | June 15th, 2009 at 8:17 am

  somewhere**

• 108. Michele | June 15th, 2009 at 8:45 am

  Yes

• 109. Doc1559 | June 15th, 2009 at 8:55 am

  Michele

  Thx and gnight..

• 110. danny | June 15th, 2009 at 3:24 pm

  It seems the cool aid crew has an additional member who has joined the mental institutions….Doc $%#$%^&&…
  Now Rami can consult the stray doc…
  Must be something in their drink….

• 111. J-T | June 16th, 2009 at 12:05 am

  Doc

  You’re awesome, muahhh for you lol

  I say quit medical school and go back and finish your master in psychology. I mean it, Ali. It is never late.

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