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• 1. Mike | November 7th, 2009 at 9:59 am

  They will do it inshallah..

  This is for you N, you might of already saw it already.

  Fatah Islam Reportedly has Ties with Israel

  http://www.naharnet.com/domino/tn/NewsDesk.nsf/getstory?openform&86D819302E77FEDCC2257666002D74B7

  French Sources: Israeli War on Lebanon Next Spring

  http://www.naharnet.com/domino/tn/NewsDesk.nsf/getstory?openform&86D819302E77FEDCC2257666002D74B7

  We should be talking about these issues. Very important. I mentioned them a few days back.

• 2. hochoz | November 7th, 2009 at 10:00 am

  Wayno Mano,

  remember what I told u a month ago, about Aoun not getting his 7 ministers, nor 5 maronites, nor the finance, justice or interior ministry….

  Gigi Bassil passe-partout, nebgha byifham bikill chi, wazir telecom, wazir kahraba….

• 3. ja3far | November 7th, 2009 at 10:13 am

  lol… allah yse3ed

• 4. Elie.F | November 7th, 2009 at 10:36 am

  N,
  Your informations are not precise.

  Boutros Harb will be for the justice,that’s right,but he will be counted on the ouwet,so they will have only 1 minister left which is sho2oun ijteme3iye, As for the Kataeb they will also have 2 ministers and they will be Sij3an azzi and Salim Sayegh but i don’t know what is left for them, maybe the danse oriental will be one of them.

  As for 3aou, he won his bet,maybe you disagree with that,but that is the fact, i mean they started with anti losers for the government,yet he won that, then they said they are against Zoubran,yet he won it, they tried to name his ministers but the President stood against that and that led Hariri to step off the first time, then DSG said that the telecommunications will sure not be for the opposition, yet 3aou won and he took it back, as for the electricity the same and yet 3aou won it.

  Now if you want to say that this is all done for the silm el ahli and the country can not live without a government for ever,maybe,but what hapenned is true surrender, and i hope we discuss afetr the famous Bayen Wizari, 3oukab Sakr said it from Bikfayya that the Bayen will be the same as the 7OUKOOMIT EL WI7DI, in other words, TOBB TABBITAK EL 3EFIEH.

  Bravo 3aou and HA, you did what is in your mind,even with the help of the weapons and another 7 May or with the help of our pussies .

• 5. Lebanonhsh | November 7th, 2009 at 10:54 am

  did SG ever predicted something wzabat?? 3atoul l3akes bi sir, men 2eyem Lahoud ) did you see the Napoleon speech, the man looked hilariously ridicules

• 6. Doc1559 | November 7th, 2009 at 11:02 am

  Chu hal te7lil hayda !! ya ma7la theresinia idemak.. LOOOOOOOOL..

  Gebran Bassil will NOT get the Telecom ministry but another FPmer or Opposition member..

  WHOHAHAHAHAHAHA, you made my night , ya3ne dalit ma3 TAKATOL ISLAH WEL TAGHYIR YA N10452 ??

  I can ensure you the following :

  TELECOM 2ILNA
  ENERGY 2ILNA
  INDUSTRY 2ILNA
  TOURISM 2ILNA
  STATE MINISTER 2ILAN

  TELECOMMMMM tararatata lal GENERAL ..

  Merry Christmas guys !!

  PS: WE WIN EVEN WHEN WE LOSE !!

• 7. Doc1559 | November 7th, 2009 at 11:15 am

  Iran & Syria Gave the green light and you ”akalta khazu2” lol , history repeats itself.

  ma byi7me al massi7iye 2illa ALLAH wel 3wniye..

  ma byi7me al isslem 2illa hizballah aoun well AMEN !!

• 8. N10452 | November 7th, 2009 at 11:32 am

  Lek Doc 2arit hable 2amma chi ???
  Do you see me addressing you that way anytime ??

  Who told you i am happy with this government ?? did i say khod ya Aoun u did not get the Telecom ??

  Aoun wanted Bassil and he did not get him for the Telecom ..so no he did not win his bet even though it remained with them.

  The main problem remains there:
  Hezbollah’s weapons set the conditions for politics nowadays and only M14’s presence can limit it or try to stop it wou 3a rassa Geagea despite his not so strong position …

• 9. N10452 | November 7th, 2009 at 11:35 am

  Elie.F,
  Honestly i wasnt expecting a government to be formed to begin with …

  As long as HA & his weapons are around, and as long as Christians are divided and Sunnites too weak to confront HA, this is the least worst way out of this crisis …

• 10. Mike | November 7th, 2009 at 11:55 am

  DOC1559…Aoun is too arrogant for his own good. Anger management would also be fine. And listen man, don’t bring this Aoun-Ouwet bulllshit here.

  N10452. Min masla7itna ykoon fi slee7 bi 2eed il hezeb. La2no wleed il kalb jeerana w houlefe2na il adimeen bidon ya3emlo il rabye mitel il da7ye. W kelna mna3erif il rabye min manta2it moujtama3na il khas. The best we can do is to get anti-aircaft weapons in their hands or we’re screwed. Literally.

• 11. ja3far | November 7th, 2009 at 12:19 pm

  N… it seems u are not aware of too many things… i hope your counter is working as i told u yesterday

• 12. N10452 | November 7th, 2009 at 12:22 pm

  I think i am more aware than you are ya ja3far .. with all due respect

• 13. ja3far | November 7th, 2009 at 12:34 pm

  allah yse3edni ana… all the people on the blog know more then me …
  it was pure luck that i was able to predict the goverment .. and to predict the long line waiting to go to syria

• 14. Reminder | November 7th, 2009 at 2:10 pm

  One of LF’s ministries (actually the more important one, Justice) is going to Boutros Harb who is being “considered” as LF. So technically LF wil get 1 only. Aoun got Bassil as a minister and the Telecom ministry, he won. Not having Bassil as minister of Telecom is a compromise that Aoun did for the sake of forming the government! For Lebanon’s sake! Besides if he got all what he wanted ( or almost all ) having lost the elections, LF & Kataeb got scratch having “won”, can you imagine what would have happened if sunni voters weren’t transferred to Zahle and the opposition would have therefore won the elections? I am guessing FPM would have gotten Justice and others as well, wheras LF & Kataeb would have gotten a government minister each! mabruk lal tayyar! LFers, tough luck…

• 15. Lebanonhsh | November 7th, 2009 at 2:25 pm

  when your goal is to get 1 thing, just add and negotiate a second that is impossible to get; at the end compromise the second and give it away as a sacrifice and get the one you already wanted as granted..

• 16. THERESINIA | November 7th, 2009 at 2:27 pm

  The Caporal is imposing his SON-in-law (who by the way is an im-bassil).

  For years and years, the Caporal has insulted politicians who wanted to impose their SONS.

  For Years and years, the Caporal has (supposedly) been fighting against FEODALISM.

  Foe years and years, the Caporal has been LYING.

  To whom the Caporal has been LYING?

  To those who are against him (and who discovered who he REALLY is)?

  Or to his followers who still follow him without seeing he is a LIAR, a CORRUPT man, and a mentally INSANE person?????

• 17. mano | November 7th, 2009 at 2:29 pm

  hochoz dont forget inno gigi yalle ken kill il 3i2de baddo yitla3 wazeer ghasben 3an ra2bitkon hayda ken talab il general il awal w akhado ba3den 3raf inno wizara bala ridda michel aoun wil mo3arada ma btimshe , aktariye 3al fadde yalla hala2 ba3d il wizara bitdalo into la wa7dkon w u will see that

• 18. danny | November 7th, 2009 at 3:18 pm

  What fascinates me about Lebanese who mostly are living in the West is their inability to comprehend politics…

  We have myriad of cool aid “analysts” and armchair politicians around here from the cyber bytari to mano to mike (who thinks he is LF) who don’t know their face from their behinds…

  If you jimmy Jones crowd of genii had an inkling on how to negotiate….

  Have any one of you dim wits realized that it was M14 who initially said there’s no way we will accept election losers of im Basil to be included in the cabinet…WHY?? Have you asked yourselves WHY??

  You see you addleheaded m.o.r.ons; your village idiot king orange looks like the biggest loser for fighting FOR nepotism and exposed himself so clearly…You see no none gives a rat’s a s s whether gigi gets any ministries…

  The object was to expose the Orange moron for what he is and give him almost nothing…If you think getting some ministries that are burdened with problems is an achievement was the main obstacle; then take some of the baytari meds and call rami’s psychiatrist!

  M8 got twisted and turned…yalla ya J, declare your spin…

• 19. Reminder | November 7th, 2009 at 3:21 pm

  Theresinia you are naive as well as funny! Gebran Bassil has proved to be more than qualified during his time as minsiter of Telecom (pls take a look at his achievements). Aoun is still against FEUDALISM as opposed to the remaining parties (just as President General Fuad Chehab). Bassil shouldn’t be penalized for having Aoun as his father in law. Besides if this is the huge horifying lie that Aoun has been telling, I think he is still ok compared to the lies others have been saying as well. Such examples would be Harriri’s promise to disarm Hezb and enhance the president’s powers, yet he rejected both 24hrs after the elections. Jumblat, no comment. Geagea, kamen no comment!

  FYI
  If you really believe that Aoun is an insane person, than you all just got beat by someone who is insane! Doesn’t that make you at least retarded? Or maybe wrong about him? Or both?

  Also he is not a corporal he is a GENERAL! A general of the Lebanse Army! not a mere head of a militia or mafia mob! At least he actually reached the position of General, he didn’t quit 2yrs through like gegea and still get the title Dr! Or Sami who got the title Sheikh jsut for being Amine’s son, wherase he has achieved nothing in his life yet!

  This imbecile made cell phone lines cheaper for you (what has the LF or M14 done during their reign on that ministry? or any other for that matter?) ungrateful ignorant philistine!

• 20. Reminder | November 7th, 2009 at 3:28 pm

  Dear danny

  The General got what he wanted, and all that happened simply proved that despite losing the elections he is still capable, and that M14’s conditions are unfounded and illogical yet even hypocritical.

  These ministries burdened with problems created by M14 can be solved by honest patriotic ministers like FPM’s! Just as they proved with the Telecom (what happened is just the begening) and what Tabourian couldve done with electricity had Seniora not ineterfered.
  What use is it to take already well functioning ministries? We do not pride ourselves in barely functioning in a healthy ministry but in turning an inefficeint ministry (burdened by M14) into a healthy one.

  Besides if that is considred a defeat for the general, what should we say happened to the LF & Kataeb?

• 21. ja3far | November 7th, 2009 at 3:41 pm

  ya3ni al libneniye shi bida7ek… lizem yetla3 Jacques Martin wi ye2elkoun :
  “Tout le monde a gagne”…
  fikou 3an ba3ed shwaye ba2a

• 22. danny | November 7th, 2009 at 3:43 pm

  Reminder you seem so happy with some victory…and the village idiot got what he wanted? Yup two minsitries for FPM and the rest to his “big” Christian allies of Armenians, baathists or awmies…

  Snap out of your useless and mindless chest thumping…You definitely will hurt yourself as much as you are hurting by “thinking” about things to spin to declare your victory!

  As for Gigi working marvels…well I guess you don’t not live in Lebanon or call there to realize the number of dropped calls per try…If it makes you happy that the rates are down and the quality is low…Well why don’t you go down to your car dealer in Rabiye they are selling very cheap cars with no motors…

  LF will maintain one of the most important ministries Justice…Again this is not about what ministries you got! This was an amazing con job by M14 to make you believe that Gigi or Tele sector was the focal point!!

• 23. Reminder | November 7th, 2009 at 4:00 pm

  You think that was a con? wow u do live in ur own little world!

  As for the teleocm I do live in Lebanon, and the reason why the connection is crappy now its because after making it so cheap more people are using. Since the ministry is almost bankrupt (i wonder why!!??) not enough capital was available to invest in enlarging networks! So as money is flowing in now, networks will be enlarged enough to make the connection good again and still have cheaper rates! If it wasn’t for Hamadeh’s corruption there would have been enough capital to enlarge the networks whilst lowering rates.

  Most probably Boutros Harb will get the justice and not really LF. Also i think, i think Telecom+Power+Toursim+Industry are better than Justice + whatever else you guys are gonna get.

• 24. mano | November 7th, 2009 at 4:00 pm

  danny habibi lesh fikrak boutros harb byi2bal ykoon ouwet? byekhod il wizara w ba3don bye bye ya 7ilween

• 25. Reminder | November 7th, 2009 at 4:22 pm

  lek danny kamen aoun’s victory in kesserwan jbeil baabda jezzine was also a plot against him somehow? or the fact that LF got 5MPs? shu? yalla einstein tla3le bi 7ejje! kell 3omorkon bteda3wasso w bet 2oulo eno rbe7to! min 2yem el 7arb la hala2! tara2oukon atle el flostiniye w el ishtirakye w bte3tebro 7alkon def3ato 3an el massi7iyeh! kharabtoulon byouton w akaltouwa atle w ta3maytouwon (lal masi7iyeh) atle ma3kon! w bet 2oulo rbe7to! HA! You have never and will never amount to anything… Besides M14 = Hariri + Joumblat only!

• 26. HammerHead | November 7th, 2009 at 5:37 pm

  @ DOC “WE WIN EVEN WHEN WE LOSE !!”

  Iza cheyif 7elak bi 2enno sle7 hezeballah mkhawalkon te3emlo heik, fa ma 3endi ayya chakk eno 7a tdall 7elit Lebnen heik.

  Iza cheyif 7elak bi 2eno ma ba2a lal dimocratiyyi 2imi bi Lebnen, ma 2elak 2ella ten2ol 3a Iran. 2al iranian elections 2al ! Lamma keno l souryiyyin ba3don bi Lebnen, kenit l aktariyyi te7kom w hawdik y3ardo! Chou 3ada ma bada?!! HYPOCRITES 3AL 7ELL!!

• 27. Doc1559 | November 7th, 2009 at 7:37 pm

  n10452 # 8

  No bass 7abet zariklak chuwaye(your style akid) since WE the mu3rada idiots of this blog preticted this formation to take place and you the smart ones ” akalto khazu2” again..

  The solution is simple but the complexity of the equation is daunting :

  * Build a strong core army (we are not allowed)

  * Lets talk, lets dialogue !! To dialogue means that both parties are willing to be open and are also willing to take the other into account ( we can’t talk , you are calling us terrorists ya mit3ilim inta )

  * Work toward building a strong Lebanon, work toward a secular Lebanese identity.. (mish shi3iye w massi7i w derzi 3la al hawiye tfouuuuuuuuu)

  History repeats itself, first as tragedy, second as farce (Karl Marx ) hayda al quote bi zakirne bi lebnen w bi kell al lebnenniye..

• 28. Doc1559 | November 7th, 2009 at 7:44 pm

  Hammerhead

  Mark my words :

  HA AND LA WILL MERGE in the next 5-10 yrs.

  Zakirne la zakrak iza dallayna 3ychin..

  No need for me to move to Iran, maybe you should move to California where the US want you to be.. fakir ya hammerhead !!

• 29. Michele | November 7th, 2009 at 8:01 pm

  N, actually hable arta alloush n not the opposite

• 30. Michele | November 7th, 2009 at 8:06 pm

  Now u ya reminder let me remind u of a very important thing: when a soldier let along a general in the army desert his men in the middle of a battlefield they are usually brought to a military trial n of course lose all kind of titles.
  Now ur general not only deserted the battlefield but ran away leaving behind his men n his family. Theresina is being very generous still calling him caporal, mazbout?

• 31. Doc1559 | November 7th, 2009 at 8:08 pm

  michele

  when hal ghaybe ?? miss you banout.. walla mkhabaye wijik min al bahdale ?? ya khssara ya michele.. ma toli3 min amrik chi… lol

• 32. Michele | November 7th, 2009 at 8:14 pm

  Of course u miss me ya alloush, ma amtellak mabiyefhamo Ella bil bahdalle!

• 33. Doc1559 | November 7th, 2009 at 8:16 pm

  Michele

  lets define you here :

  Michele : A PERSON THAT WON’T LISTEN TO ANOTHER PERSON POINT OF VIEW. NO MATTER : a narrow minded person : A hater.

  AOUN is back ya michele , he didn’t lose the war, you did !! kilon tafa2o 3leh(usa, syria, arab wrold), including samir geagea chu badik yeh y7arib ma3rake khassraneh w y2till kell al 3asskar ?? smallah 3lyeke chu fahmene..

• 34. Michele | November 7th, 2009 at 8:16 pm

  Reminder obviously u are into cheap things n definitely not into quality because if u seriously are proud that Bassil got u cheap lines, u forgot all abt quality!

• 35. Maximus | November 7th, 2009 at 8:35 pm

  This one is the best of the day:
  OTV أشارت معلومات لتلفزيون الـ ”
  أن وزير الاتصلات في حكومة تصريف الأعمال جبران باسيل نقل إلى رئيس الحكومة المكلّف سعد الحريري مسعى رئيس تكتل “التغيير والإصلاح” النائب ميشال عون لتحسين حقائب مسيحيي “14 آذار” بهدف الحفاظ على مقتضيات الوفاق الوطني

  Doc, this one is for you:
  In a ceremony في ذكرى الحر العاملي held on november 5 1989, this is what Hassan Nasrallah said:
  “في خضم الأحداث في لبنان تبرز مشكلة اسمها إتفاق الطائف ومشكلة اسمها ميشال عون. وليس صحيحاً إن من يرفض إتفاق الطائف هو مع ميشال عون . إن إتفاق الطائف مشكلة لانه يكرس النظام الطائفي ألماروني ولا إصلاحات بل زيادة في عدد النواب وقد اعطيت صلاحيات لمجلس الوزراء وبقي رئيس الجمهورية القائد الاعلى. إن مشكلتنا في لبنان هي النظام الطائفي الذي سيبقى في ظله الحرمان. والبديل كما قال مرشد الجمهورية الإسلامية آيةالله علي خامنئي أنا هذا النظام يجب أن يسقط والناس هم يحددون صيغة النظام الجديد . أما إن ميشال عون مشكلة ، فلأنه هلا اسرائلية صدامية تدميرية ولا يرى إلا مصلحته الشخصية ومصلحت طائفته. فهو النهج الماروني العنصري في الشرقية …

• 36. Maximus | November 7th, 2009 at 8:40 pm

  Correction:
  فلأنه حالة اسرائلية صدامية تدميرية ولا يرى إلا مصلحته الشخصية ومصلحت طائفته. فهو النهج الماروني العنصري في الشرقية

• 37. Jo | November 7th, 2009 at 8:57 pm

  walla mafi astal menna sha3eb

  inno eza reb7o or khesro mhem yenbana watan

  kel min 2ekhdo 3a mayleh

  wlak 2ejreh bsatletkoun n2ebro tef2o w ta3mouwoun khara la hal 7ekem li 3anna

  w khalina na7na ndiroun mesh yderouna metel el me3zeh w nekrah ba3ed.

  wake up

• 38. ja3far | November 7th, 2009 at 8:57 pm

  1989 Maximus … seriously ? sayeed wasnt even 30 yet , nor was he on top of HA.. u can get some even more exiting speaches when he was still younger …
  u are better then that MAximus

• 39. Doc1559 | November 7th, 2009 at 9:07 pm

  Maximus

  1, Sayyed was not the ”Amin 3m” at the time and therefore his above statement is not official.

  2, HA 1982-1989 differs from the current HA. You give Geagea a fair chance to change but when it come to HA your judgement is still based on 1982 conspiracy theories.

  3, MOU was a nail in the coffin of the federalist project. MOU displays HA’s respect for diversity. Your federalist plan don’t convince me.

  4, YES , Ta2iff is a failure. Guess whose fault it was ?? and guess who’s doing it again ?? Ta2iff is sectarianism so is the constitiution .. Sayed was right. We do need to change that

  Violence, corruption and sectarianism have all sprung from the constitutional rule of having a maronite and only a maronite in office to rule the country..

• 40. danny | November 7th, 2009 at 9:20 pm

  Reminder,

  As usual you sipped a bit of cool aid and started belching away BS…We all know you live somewhere in canada…But yalla ya live in Lebanon…and the “victory” of the village idiot in jezzine; jbeil etc…You crack me up!! I will not answer to those as even a child as shallow as youself can go back and find out what was the Christian vote for the donkey you call your leader… For your information Theresina is correct about the mental state of your hero the village idiot. There are records of Aoun’s treatment in Asfourieh dating back to late sixties to early seventies.

  So kindly stop this crap…If you don’t know something don’t pretend anything like doc1836438743848 or your sheeple…

  Cheers and lakhayem

  Michele I missed you.

• 41. Maximus | November 7th, 2009 at 9:21 pm

  Ja3far & Doc
  I did not say that he was SG. In the article in Annahar (Nov 6 1989), he is presented as “3allama” and he was speaking in the name of the the “mouqawama al islamiya”.

  I think HA and Nasrallah did not change. The one who changed, at least publicly, is Aoun. Do HA really trust the new Aoun? Who is fooling who?

• 42. Doc1559 | November 7th, 2009 at 9:29 pm

  DANNY

  Dind’t I ignore you on 18 ?? Why you keep mentioning my name ?? zbol 7alak ya zbele..

  Statistically speaking, you’re an idiot,That’s not for any ethical or artistic reasons but simply bcz you HAVE BEEN SO WRONG ON SO MANY topics. Most of your comnments are based on personal attacks…

  wishttttt

• 43. danny | November 7th, 2009 at 9:49 pm

  Ya baytari as far as you pollute the air be ready to get hit with the scata you so freely dish out…

  What an intellectual giant you are. I am sure your family are so proud of you that they have decided to keep you in your ‘gifted” class…

  Make sure you take your meds always!!

• 44. Mike | November 7th, 2009 at 10:05 pm

  Danny you calling us “thinking we’re LF”. You remind me of the other republican senators who call ron paul non republican while he was at the presidential debate. He was the most republican candidate out there in safegaurding the constitution. It seems you lost your way man. You expect the LF to continue its civil war era suicidal alliances with the zionists and neo-cons. If that continues for a few more years. LF will be as effective and influential as guardians of the cedars if not banned. Except stooges like you lack the foresight for lebanon’s future and the LF as a political organization. Not to mention having no real insight in the world situation and internal politics concerning lebanon. You’re a typical example of the “cool aid crowd” you always talk about. Thinking that who ever supports Hezeballah is like a flock of sheep, let me tell you something habibi; you’re the biggest one whos fooled and you will know so when your area gets bombed. Then you can thank Israel and blame Hezeballah for a war that was intended for Lebanon and this time espicially the christians. Truth hurts except you’re not man enough to face the facts. Adapt already.

• 45. danny | November 7th, 2009 at 10:15 pm

  Mikey mate…Easy on the fosters…

  You see my boy whenever any one of you “gifted” boys have someone trying to express another opinion; you bring in the past…As for you well zionists and neo cons blah blah blah…I am certain you are a devout follower of marxian ideology as well. Feel free to kiss any terrorists butt my boy…I am against those yellow jackets because they are the reason my country is getting torn apart and systematically cannibalized. You go back to your Junior poli sci class and read some more!

  You and your kind like the cyber loser who like yourself lives off the freedom and democracy of USA and Australia while bitching about the only thing that’s feeding you…

  You can go and suicide bomb yourself in Israel or wherever…Just get the f’n hell out of our country. we do not need TERRORISTS!! We have had enough of you and your kind….Now you can take that with your cool aid mate!!

• 46. Reminder | November 7th, 2009 at 10:20 pm

  Danny,
  I live in Lebanon, lived here my whole life in the metn district. The calculations on which I base the fact that Aoun won in the aforementioned districts come from a variety of sources including: kataeb.org, porudtobelebanse.com, tayyar.org and the ministry of interior. I know that you guys are handicapped when it comes to math so I won’t go into the details, but yes he won. Don’t forget that both Hezb & Amal (therefore all the shias) voted for Samir Azar in Jezzine yet the entire FPM list won ( therefore without the help of the shias). Oh and people who live in glass houses should not throw stones shouldn’t throw stones at others. (think of Zahle & Koura)

  Michele, u obviously did not read my entire post, or are unable to understand what you don’t want to believe. The quality will improve as more capital is raised to enlarge the networks. Pls think before you talk.

  Also your ignorance about the military and the rules of war is sadly accompanied by an ill deserved arrogance. A soldier is court marshaled for desertion, that is true. However a General evacuating to avoid capture and execution is not only acceptable but has been done by some of the best generals in history:

  General Douglas MacArthur (one of the best and most respected American Generals) abandoned his troops in the Philippines (letting them get captured and killed by the Japs) only to return several years later and win back the war (leading the american invasion!)

  Fld Marshal Erwin Rommel abandoned his troops in Tunisia as the Allies had them surrounded, so that he be able to commandeer other troops in Normandy.

  Charles De Gaulles abandoned the French troops only to live in “exile” in Britain.

  I could bore you with many other examples, but then again why bother since you won’t even listen. The fact remains that a General that has to be court marshaled for desertion has more honor and respect than a militant who is on trial for crimes against humanity (including genocide, murder of innocent children such as Dany Chamoun’s kids and Sleiman Franjieh’s sister, and other crimes of war). If justice has to be served, aoun would be stripped of his title as general and dishonored, but Geagea would be hanged for his crimes just as Saddam was just as the Nazis were!

• 47. danny | November 7th, 2009 at 10:26 pm

  Reminder go back to you Jezzine district and do your math again…Especially the part about HA supporting Amal’s candidate…If you still believe in your own lies well there’s nothing we can do about it but move to the next topic…Just like your mates won the USJ elections…Right???

• 48. Maximus | November 7th, 2009 at 10:28 pm

  Reminder
  The one who is making confusion in military art is yourself.
  - De Gaulle was not commanding french troops in WW II. He left after the signing of the surrender by Pétain.
  - Rommel was commanding a troop in expedition outside Germany. He was not commanding a troop defending a city in germany. Numbers of german officers commited suicide when they knew they had no chance to win.
  - Aoun was not commanding a troop outside Lebanon where only military considerations of manoeuvres dicatates its decision. He was commanding an army AND a people, besieged by enneis. When a commander of a city that is besieged left his troops and the front it is called a TRAITOR.

• 49. danny | November 7th, 2009 at 10:29 pm

  Mikey as my comment is in moderation…One advice to you: Go back to political Science 101 as it seems you are failing it…

  As for people like you who do not believe in anything that LF stands for and still want to be called an LF-er; well I do understand your inferiority complex and desire to join the ranks of people with substance. Get well soon…

  Lakhayem

• 50. Reminder | November 7th, 2009 at 11:27 pm

  In Jezzine Hezb voted for Samir Azar and Ziad el Aswad, it is not coincidence that the difference between Aswad and the other FPM candidate is almost equal to the differences between the Amal candidates or the catholic and maronite candidates of FPM. So yes Hezb and Amal voted for Samir Azar leaving one FPMer “shiiteles” and victorious by several THOUSAND votes. By the by why didn’t you reply to my Zahle & Koura comments?

  Maximus! Dunkirk! what about Dunkirk!
  Rommel abandoned the Afrika Corps to be captured by the Desert Rats! Plus the officers who committed suicide had to because they had committed crimes against humanity and therefore will be tried, and they had no chance of exile! Thos who could run away to Argentina and Brazil did! But those who couldn’t faced a humiliating criminal tribunal (Nuremberg!) didn’t Heinrich Himmler attempt to escape to Argentina before being captured? Herman Goering as well!

  My main argument before was General Douglas MacArthur, why haven’t you justified his “evacuation”? Not to mention the fact that he amongst the others that I listed was the most victorious at the end!

  Aoun lived to fight another day! and he did and he is leading his people wisely! Its a relief that he hadn’t been executed and left us without a true honest and capable leader! Aoun is far from being a traitor! He asked his troops to surrender for it was over. Btw wasn’t it so quickly over because some “christian lebanese” militia was aiding the Syrian troops by bombarding Lebanese positions from their bases in Ashrafiyeh? What should we say then of the PSP?

  A traitor is not one who escapes death to fight another day, a traitor is one who sides with the enemy (Israel) or one who fights for his organization against the best interest of the country (LF mahek?) Forget Israel, every LFer is a traitor not for siding with Israel but for putting the good of that minority before the good of the country, that is treason!

• 51. ja3far | November 7th, 2009 at 11:28 pm

  Maximus.. I dont think you can call the evacuated 330 thousands french and English troops from Dunkerque, including all type of officers who won back the WW2, as traitors…

  on the other hand , the decisions of Hitler to fight till the last soldier in stalingrad; the decisions that led to the death of 800 thousands german soldiers werent heroic in anyway ..

• 52. Reminder | November 7th, 2009 at 11:36 pm

  Thank you ja3far! I was just quoting Dunkirk! The way Germany’s youth died all for nothing plagued that country for years! Do you not know of the statue of the women of Germany in Berlin? Why are German women depicted as strong? Because after WW2 and the deaths of millions of German soldiers (3.5M) due to suicidal (oh wait heroic) tactics of the Nazi regime , there weren’t enough men for the labor needed! So women had to do it and where thus granted a statue in Berlin! thanks for reminding me of that ja3far.

• 53. danny | November 7th, 2009 at 11:46 pm

  Reminder…You seem to be a man with a convoluted sense of history and definitions of TRAITOR…

  Please follow the link to see the glorious path of your madman…

  http://www.10452lccc.com/aouncontradictions09.htm

• 54. Maximus | November 7th, 2009 at 11:52 pm

  Reminder a Ja3far
  You are confusing evacuating troop, which means inmilitarily terms, a manoeuver, with an officer levaing his troops in a decisive battle in a besiged zone.
  When facing a risk of total destruction of his troop, a commander can decide to retreat to safeguard his troop and engage it in better conditions. A manoeuvre of retreat is only possible in an open space and when a safe zone or friendly zone is possible. Combat in a besieged area is related to a specific military science because retreat is not possible. That was th ecase of the Christian area in 1990. Aoun was not a military commander of a part of a troop in an open space area. He was Prime minister, so in the absence of a President, he was chief of state as he proclamed, and commander in chief of the army in that zone. When he refused to recognize Rene Moawad, than Elias Hraoui and ask the population to come to the presidential palace to support him, he promised them that he will resist until the end. He condisered himself the captain of the boat and saif he will be the last one to leave the boat. One day before the syrian attack, he called the christian to fight wioth kitchen knifes. He knew that th emore he refuse to let Hraoui enter pacifically the Palace, the more are the chances that Syrians will enter the christian area. And when that attack occured, few hours later, he escaped the Palace to the french embassy.
  In other words, he called the population to fight un til their last breath but he escaped th ebattle at the first hor of the battle. He did not retreat With the army searchingt for a better configguration. No he LEFT his army and escaped alone. Thiis is a traitor. He called the christians to resist until death/suicide but he escaped at the moment the christians were already “suicided”, aka invaded by Syrians.

• 55. paul | November 7th, 2009 at 11:52 pm

  thank you for comparing aoun with göring and himmler. they have the same sign of identity.

• 56. HammerHead | November 8th, 2009 at 5:27 am

  @ DOC # 28

  I hope that day comes sooner than 5-10 years. It should make our problem less complicated and less scattered. Are you okay with the merge though?

  As for moving to the US, I have lived there and in many other countries. To Lebanon I am moving back, and I’ll keep the US for you. Nazzir 3layna mn 3endak ta techba3

• 57. Mike | November 8th, 2009 at 6:44 am

  Danny you should really move to israel. Apply for aliyah. Make your own zionist-forces there or join the old ranks of tzadal(sla). We are happy with being Lebanese Forces and we have enough integrity and self respect to refuse the idea of lebanon becoming a client state of israel(which you would love it to be). The LF is the spirit of sheikh Bashir and we don’t need your idiocy infiltrating this site.

  “We assure the Lebanese Moslems that we will fight on their side…. We are one people and one country…. We will not exist without them.” (March 21, 1982)

  Shove that through your thick skull.
  Also, “10,452″ which you are trying so hard for us not to have or even defend.

• 58. Doc1559 | November 8th, 2009 at 6:49 am

  Hammehead 54

  I sure am.. The problem of all unresolvable Lebanese conflicts is almost the same, whether in north lebanon,south, east , west and da7ye, each side screams : WE NEED A STRONG ARMY. Unfortunately, we’re not allowed to build a strong army and therefore HA and LA must merge in the long run.

  Whatever may happen in the short term, I really don’t care for it, it is the same old politics, but no one can doubt that in the long run HA and LA will have to merge. zakirne la zakrak..

  As for moving back to Lebanon, eh niyelak, ana warak bass natir al economy to pick up, se3ita bibi3 bayte w birja3 3la lebnen..

  Would you like to invest in Detroit MI? I have purchased few houses for less than $3500 a piece and can’t wait till the economy recover so I can make my money and move back to Lebanon..

• 59. Reminder | November 8th, 2009 at 10:57 am

  Maximus you are invetning stories now about Aoun’s last months in Lebanon! Also at Dunkirk what you are failing to notice is that Generals and Bridadiers were evacuated first! Also why haven’t you answered me about MacArthur? You know you are wrong!

  A soldier accused of desertion is not considered a traitor. He is court marshaled, could be stripped of his position and medals but he doesn’t get the sentence given to traitors (death). Such sentences are reserved to militants like Geagea. In fact not only is Geagea a traitor (he fits the definition of traitor to the Lebanese) but a criminal of war. So if you like justice then maybe you should execute Geagea by firing squad for treason, get him up again (hopefully he’ll still be barely breathing) and hang him for crimes against humanity. Then dump his body in prison for theft.

  Also revise your knowledge about Aoun’s final moments in Lebanon, from a srouce other than LF. Remember it was LF who aided the syrians..ya traitor!

• 60. danny | November 8th, 2009 at 2:09 pm

  Mike,

  In your anger and sheer youthful exuberance you are still throwing around accusations (of course you will as that’s what they teach you in the cool aid classrooms of Teale Orange and Green and yellow…)…
  Where in hell did I defend Israel? Where do you come from mate? Do you silly boys think by throwing around unrelated thoughts and incoherent crap will get you to a destination?

  Your “logic” seems to be that any Lebanese who refuses to live with the TERRRORISTS of HA; will become a zionists!! Wake up and open your eyes mate as it seems you are using your BFF George W Bush’s simplistic line…”Either with us or against us”!!!…Israeli government and HA are cut from the same cloth…They terrorise to achieve temporary gains!

  Anyways it seems you are slowly closing in with the I* d* i* o* t bytari and his schitzo followers…

  Good luck chatting up among yourselves…

  Lakhayem…

• 61. HammerHead | November 8th, 2009 at 2:18 pm

  @ Doc.

  I hope the merge will be expedited!

  As for the investment in Detroit, it looks like a bargain but 3500$ or 35 000 ? If 3500 bought you a house, and you bought some, then give it a year, and you’ll be flying in a private jet to Lebanon

• 62. danny | November 8th, 2009 at 2:18 pm

  Reminder…just a reminder…Traitor ???Wow how inferior do you feel???

  Read and you be the judge…ALL in the mental patient’s words…

  http://www.10452lccc.com/aouncontradictions09.htm

• 63. THERESINIA | November 8th, 2009 at 2:49 pm

  To the followers of the caporal:

  I know him personally for more than 25 years!

  He is a megalomaniac who despises others, who believes he is above all others human beings, who thinks he is the light, the exceptional man, the magnificent, the intelligent, the extraordinary, the NapoleAOUN, that all leaders who were before him or who will come after him do not reach his sobbat…

  Yes, such a man exists!!!! and many……XXXX are following him!!!!!

• 64. Maximus | November 8th, 2009 at 3:17 pm

  Reminder
  MacArthur was commander in chief of the US in the Pacific He was commanding an army outside his country. He left Philippines because it xas Roosvelet order. Allies did not wanted him to be captured by the Japenese. You are still confusing things.
  If MacArthur was president of the US and commander in chief of the US army and if he was besieged by mexican or canadian army in Washington and ask his soliders and amricans to fight until death and, at the fisrt hor of the attack, he escaped to the french embassy leaving his army and people massacred by invadors, he would have been considered a TRAITOR.
  Stop trying to read history with your hate. From a military, political and moral points of view, Aoun is a TRAITOR and your personal emotions will not change that.

• 65. ja3far | November 8th, 2009 at 3:37 pm

  maximus… u want to put emotions aside ? the minute the Sukhoi jets attacked , for the first time in the lebanese war to bombard the presidential palace in Baabda everybody knew rules of the games were changed and the game was over. GMA was evacuated under international agreement to save what can be saven and asked the army to put down arms.
  u tell me now… do u think GMA had a chance of 1 in a million to make a diference in that battle? u really think he would have made a diference other then a complete disaster.. and i mean the word disaster…

  Now the interesting thing here with you guys is that you, who were against GMA that day and have given cover to the syrian troops do consider him a traitor for leaving, while his people on the battle field consider him the man in charge who left to come back as a great leader… very interesting dont you think ?

• 66. Maximus | November 8th, 2009 at 4:05 pm

  Ja3far
  When the rules of a battle change, their consequences applies to the commander AND the troop, as well as for the population. Aoun knew very well that the attack was inevitable and imminent by different canals.A All he had to do was to declare that he is levaing the Palace to the Hraoui and evitate giving the Syrians a reason to invade the Christian area. Why waiting until the attacke begin (with or without Sukhoï) to escape the battle without even negociating the surrender? How a general leave the babtlefield without fighting or even negociating the surrender? The disaster occured BECAUSE he didn’t left the Palace before the attack, or negociate a surrender that give garantees for his officiers and soliders. Have you ever heard of a general calling his officers and soldiers to surrender on a civil radio? Why didn’t he gave his orders on military radio? Do you think combatants hear Sawt Lebnen on the front during a massive attack?
  “Given cover to the syrian tropps”. Do you think they needed our “cover”. You talk about SuKhoï. What cover? political? military? shou hal haké hayda? left to come back? lah ya Ja3far…

• 67. Maximus | November 8th, 2009 at 4:11 pm

  Aoun objective is to push the christians to a suicide and to escape personnaly at the last minute. His mission was to open the doors of the christian zone to the syrians than escape. That what he did.
  Know that in a besiger can never invade a fortified city unless someone open the doors for him form inside after weakening the resistance forc inside the city by internal fight. Aoun weakened the christian zone by internal fights than opened he door of the cuty for the syrians from inside and escaped.That what was october 13th: opening the doors of the city to the invadors…

• 68. ja3far | November 8th, 2009 at 4:25 pm

  maximus… leesh badna nfaness 3ala ba3ed? the agreement between the international main players were that the souri will enter the christian areas .. no body wanted to negotiate anything with GMA .. lebanon was the price to be given to syria and GMA head was “al irbeen”
  the cover was given to the syrian from all the other lebanese players.. the one who accepted doha agreement including OUwet.. I was happy that day for the fall Of GMA. i was hopping we may have a chance to have a country finally.. but i can never think that GMA was a traitor for not getting crazy and destroying all the remaining of our army for nothing…
  one final thing .. the civil radio message was mainly directed to the civilians. sadly many tried to resist using hunting guns… u may blame GMA for those dead people .. but i dont really think he had real choices.. honestly

• 69. ja3far | November 8th, 2009 at 4:26 pm

  sorry.. taef agreement

• 70. Maximus | November 8th, 2009 at 6:25 pm

  No Ja3far
  If you knew about this agreement between “international players” for letting syrian invade the christian area, Aoun could have an indea abouti it and the best way to forbid the syrian to enter was th leave the Palace BEFORE teh attack and call Hraoui to get in. The SYrians would have lost any ptextet to invade the Christian area. Why did he waited auntil the attack occured to escape and leave the Palace?

• 71. ja3far | November 8th, 2009 at 8:12 pm

  Not necessarily Maximus… most of the times we were prices to be given on the table of the big international players while negotiating. isn’t that what you were counting in relation to Syria and HA ?

  GMA made the mistake of believing the promises or of trusting his american and french channels.. we will back you up they said; he thought showing the support he had in the streets and his power he will have the chance or at least not to be sold easily… sadly for him, the Arab petrol was a more precious thing then the christians in Lebanon…he tried till the last moment; however, when he saw that the decision was taken; he tried to save whatever possible.

  you should be aware of these promises, the americans have given similar ones to the M14 team in the last years .. the resources of geagea told him there will be attack on Iran, that they will not allow the May 7 happen, that king Abdullah will not visit syria, that there will not be a government of unity… they will push him the way they do to others so that he become a higher price when it is time to sell…

  when dealing with the Americans you have always to be careful of the other side of the bargain.. iraque, Afganistan, Iran.. then u ..

  be careful, never forget the picture of the last helicopters leaving Hanoi..

  That is why GMA dont trust the americans no more…

• 72. danny | November 8th, 2009 at 9:21 pm

  Ja3far it seems youknow the hisory of theclAoun better…Wasn”t the joker alligned with Saddam? If mymemory serves me right Lebanon was gifted to Syria as a price oftheir paricipation in Gulf war I with papa Bush…Also, Let me know whether the madman had domestic problems with the moslem side ..i e Solh government…

  Enlighten me with your revisionist history…

• 73. ja3far | November 8th, 2009 at 9:50 pm

  danny… just a small reminder… sadam entered Kuwait after he got a green light from the american embasadeur .. it is a well known trap…think about it

• 74. Maximus | November 8th, 2009 at 10:44 pm

  So Ja3far, Aoun bet on Saddam and lost?
  Assad was more brilliant than Aoun by betting on the US?
  And when Aoun discovered that he played the wrong number, why did he chose the “sold” option? Was he playing with his money or with the future of the Christians in Lebanon?
  The US could have given the Syria a greenlight to enter Aoun zone if there were no” rebellion”? Why didn’t Aoun chose to save the Christians from an invasion by leaving the Palace and leting Hraoui get in without syrian military help?
  This would have savec the christian an invasion but it would have demonstrated that Aoun played it wrong. So, he prefered to sacrifice the freedom of the Christians by playing sold. The problem is that at the last minute, he escaped and let his people and his army alone. He hasn’t the courage to play it sold personaly. Imagin Aoun fighting till death in Baabda palace. He would have been a historic hero. But, the reality is that he was a TRAITOR.

• 75. danny | November 8th, 2009 at 11:15 pm

  Ja3far…

  Please answer the questions…As Americans duped Saddam…OK…Now what the hell happened afterwards as Aoun was kissing Saddam’s behind to receive $$$$$…Was he that kind of a moron that he did not realise what was happening??ooops… I guess he was/IS…Now please answer the questions; as it is a simple follow up of what you wrote in #17…Go ahead my friend try to spin it…

• 76. danny | November 8th, 2009 at 11:17 pm

  Max,

  Ja3far knows we are right. He is just trying to cover for the stupendous comments of his new allies the Orange M8O*R*O*N*s

• 77. ja3far | November 8th, 2009 at 11:21 pm

  Maximus.. GMA took support from the enemy of his enemy .. saddam was the enemy of syria and was very pleased to support her enemy.

  in the same time GMA didnt have problems with the americans in the contrary he had excellent relation with them.

  However, when GMA refused the taef agreement he did upset the main sponsor a lot the saudi.. at a later stage the americans didnt have problem to sell him when they got a high price.. the agreement included that the syrians go in in power… this is the Syrian way to show who is in control.. the same way they used to go in west beirut few years ealier, they made their main allies : Amal And ishtiraki fight then they came in with an excuse using power as heroes to stop the blood .. GMA was given guarantees but they were traps to rise his price before he was sold…

  now honestly i don’t think neither of us can decide if he is a traitor or not. it is the people who were under his command. i was against him, so did u.. we didnt believe in something and got disappointed to consider him a traitor.. it is obvious that the people who were under his command do consider him a hero and still consider him a great man.. just watch the Funeral of General Francois Hajj and see how the officers welcomed GMA and then tell me honestly if they do consider him as a traitor..

• 78. ja3far | November 8th, 2009 at 11:25 pm

  danny.. i was against the politics of GMA at that time, and i am still against many things of what he did then.. but honestly, i dont think a coward is able to reach a position of the man in charge of the lebanese army, and dont forget that this man was among those who faught with your great hero ever .. Bashir…

• 79. danny | November 8th, 2009 at 11:31 pm

  N…what’s up with moderation buddy??

• 80. danny | November 8th, 2009 at 11:36 pm

  Ja3far please stop attaching this simply jelly fish to Bachir or anyone else for that matter…

  A coward is a man who runs away after waging two destructive failed wars that was the cause of thousands of Christians dying; being handicapped; lives destroyed or emigrated…

  In charge of the marching band called the Lebanese army? walla what was its achievements? Allow PLO to control all of the South and Beirut? Allow HA to flourish; NEVER protecting the borders against Israel? Please give me a break! There was No army after 1976…Another chief of staff…Emile lahoud…Now I’m impressed!!

• 81. Reminder | November 9th, 2009 at 12:18 am

  Danny the Lebanese army protected the christians from the PLO and PSP, not the militant LF & Kataeb. The LF Kataeb were simply people who “fought” and LOOTED the destroyed areas after the battle was over.. I know it every lebanese army officer knows it, not necessarily a aounist but any lebanese army officer knows who fought the PLO! Talet za3tar was won by the army! law ma menon ma kento 3amelto shi!

• 82. HammerHead | November 9th, 2009 at 12:31 am

  Ya Remider,

  Halla2 tel3o ma3ak l LF and Kataeb looters w fighters after the battle was over.

  Wlak ya rayton ma 3emlo chi ta chouf wein kenet 7adertak halla2. 3al arja7 kenet 3am te7ki flestini ya feti7!

• 83. Maximus | November 9th, 2009 at 12:37 am

  Reminder
  I doubt you’re an ex-LFer. You smell too much SSNP…

• 84. mike | November 9th, 2009 at 12:57 am

  La2 reminder. the lf and kataeb were protecting my grandma in broumana when the PLO were shelling it. Don’t say all of our 5,000 shaheed are looters and etc.

• 85. danny | November 9th, 2009 at 1:11 am

  Reminder either you were just born or you think your revisionist c*r*ap has any traction here…
  SSNP for sure. TRAITORS!!You are not even Lebanese…
  Where the hell was the army when PLO punks were kidnapping Lebanese (that is irrespective of sect or religion ya 3abkari)…You would not know; would you? Where was the army when PLO had practically taken over the South? As for kataeb or LF; you owe your life to them; you incosiderate f*o*o*l!
  Telet za3tar by the army? hahaha…If I were not there I would believe you(????)…You l*y*ing wallenda

• 86. Doc1559 | November 9th, 2009 at 7:38 am

  Hammerhead

  I kid you not, sir !! $3500 tlet telef w khamess fiye..

  Here we go :

  http://money.cnn.com/2009/01/08/real_estate/thousand_dollar_homes/index.htm

  I can’t wait till I make my money !!!!

• 87. Reminder | November 9th, 2009 at 7:41 am

  Maximus I am not an ex_LFer, when have I ever said that? or SSNP? I hate the left as it is and the “arab nationalism” you expect me to be SSNP? So now if some1 dares to question LF’s methods during the war he is suddenly SSNP? Are you guys that close minded? Habibi I am for Lebanon, the sake of Lebanon and the glory of the Lebanese army who yes danny, were the people who achieved victory in talet za3tar. Your mind will never understand that because I bet you were brainwashed since u were a kid (ok let me rephrase that u were in LFer since u were a kid even tho u shouldn’t be able to meddle into politics at the age of 7) that LF was so amazing and saved the christians in lebanon. The reason why the army wouldn’t take credit for the battles it fought and let YES the looters take the credit is because we couldn’t have the Lebanese army fighting with one side against the other! It is your fault PLO took over, if it wasn’t for dear Pierre Gemayel who signed the 2etifak el kahira in 1969! wow what a lebanese hero! you guys betrayed Lebanon just as the SSNP did, oh and btw t7elafto in the late 50s early 60s with the SSNP and Sami Gemayel 3taraf fiya (w ma t2ouloule hole el kataeb t7elafo mich ne7na)

• 88. ja3far | November 9th, 2009 at 9:46 am

  danny… what wars did geagea lead and win in? in shareq saida or in the jabal?
  just check who protected the hottest frontire, souq al ghareb, and then tell me about the marching bands…

• 89. Reminder | November 9th, 2009 at 10:19 am

  ja3far lech 2awlak M14 lost by a landslide in Jezzine? the oppositionhad two different lists running and they won all three! plus samir azar still got more votes than the M14s! All that because it was Geagea (and pierrot b4 him) who “fought” in shareq saida, got beaten and the christians living there had to suffer the consequences of geagea’s stupidity and incompetence… What about Zahle? did they won? or lost miserably.

  Oh and by the by during 7arb el jabal when things looked bad and desperate for the LF geagea ran away leaving hundreds to fight alone and get captured and executed by the PSP, he didn’t stay and fight or anything when he knew he was going to loose, oh and who suffered the consequenes? yes the christians living there…

  if u guys are thinking of answering: well at least he tried to defend them but lost, let me tell you this: if he didn’t send his men to go and pick a fight they cannot win, the PLO or PSP wouldn’t have had to beat u sensless destroying christian villages on the way! you should have left things alone, they were already bad enough!

  and thank you ja3far for reminding them of souq el ghareb, who was WON by the general… and i still stand by the fact that in talet za3tar the incompetent militias were fighting without sucess up until the army came along.

• 90. danny | November 9th, 2009 at 1:58 pm

  Ok reminder you can keep on dumping your scata everywhere..You keep on whining and yakking and yakking…this said this; that said that…whatever. BTW: facts are things you seem oblivious about! Let me elaborate: Michel Aoun is a mental patient. He was treated extensively in Asfourieh through late sities and early seventies (I am sure his treatment went on in some other institution after those years but I do not know them)…NOW THAT IS A FACT (I wish you had studied more in Canada when your parents insisted on it…Mr. whatever from Metn )

  As for what LF did…Ja3far and Reminder…Let’s leave you alone with your technicolour dreams and fantacies and nighty night…It is impossible to discuss things with people who think their opinion is a FACT…

• 91. danny | November 9th, 2009 at 2:09 pm

  Ja3far and Reminder…strange bedfellows

  DSG did not go look for wars…He was defending his people against aggressors…Whilst HA and clAoun are very well know in declaring wars….

  Some things to refresh your memories. let’s talk about atrocities… Read them. Don’t be shy!

  http://www.10452lccc.com/aouncontradictions09.htm

  http://www.10452lccc.com/Hezbollah.html

• 92. Reminder | November 9th, 2009 at 2:18 pm

  I agree with you, on the last sentence only, now you feeel what I feel when arguing with an LFer.

  May I ask where have you studied? or from where in Lebanon are you from?

• 93. danny | November 9th, 2009 at 2:27 pm

  Reminder…oops did I reveal where you live? and Zahle..FYI

• 94. Reminder | November 9th, 2009 at 3:02 pm

  I already said on this blog, maybe even this page, that I live in metn. Since you are from Zahle can you please tell me how did the LF “protect” zahle? and the consequences of their “victory”?

  Being from Zahle you must also know the number of sunni voters vs shiite voters during the last elections, and should have the necessary mathmatical capabilities to deduce who got the majority of the christian vote in 3arouset el bekaa..

• 95. danny | November 9th, 2009 at 3:16 pm

  Reminder please don’t go there…In every district there were Sunni or Shiite votes that supported te lists…I am certain every one of us can go back and forth from Ksrawan to Jbeil to etc..etc…
  You lost the election; so it’s time to shut the hell up and accept the results! Unless you would like a totally sectarian election where each sects elects their own…Come on man just stop it! it’s getting stale. As for zahle, and the battles the LF fought in defence of their cities and towns against PLO and Syrian invaders…History will judge it!
  Zahle stayed with its head up high…Never gave up…just a reminder…

  Now quit your revisionist stuff! REALLY it’s getting boring…We already have a few i*d*i*o*ts on the blog…Don’t add yourself to the list. You would be disrespecting your Cnadaian roots lol..

• 96. Reminder | November 9th, 2009 at 3:34 pm

  who said anything about me being canadian? As far as I am concerned no side really won the elections!

  and what is gettin stale is the constant accusations against aoun that he is mentally ill and a traitor…

  Zahle saw enough destruction, its like saying da7iyeh help its head up high during the july war!

• 97. THERESINIA | November 9th, 2009 at 3:43 pm

  Of course he is mentally ill…”SKETTOOOO”, “Wleh Skettoooooo”…

  Majnuun w nos !!!!!

• 98. danny | November 9th, 2009 at 3:43 pm

  Reminder please read the links I have provided. it is NOT an LF site but the site of one of the most vociferous defenders of clAoun before the village idiot sold his principles and became TURNCOAT for the mal el Nazif…

  As what you think about who won or not…This is your cool aid crowd’s problem…Accepting defeat as hassan Nassrallah did is part of the democratic process and for your bunch of “merry men” an opportunity to grow up already!!
  You are in High school now; so forget about your pouting and tantrums!! Won’t get you far..

  It’s time to build a nation..Not deny or condemn the other side every time you lose…

  Cheers

• 99. Reminder | November 9th, 2009 at 3:56 pm

  Theresinia reread your posts and judge who is mentally ill, I think u need help, you are obssesed with aoun being mentally ill! if he had a fcbk account I wouldn’t be surprised if u were stalking him.

  danny, aoun is not a turncoat…fhama! even though as M8 we lost but the FPM won in its disricts, and yes fine, we lost in Zahle and Koura.

  I am in high school? where did u get that?

  Since u want to build a nation stop attacking sects living in that country constituting over 30% of the population… ba3den 3ayeb 3ala geagea eno yi 2oul 3al TV eno houwe w jumblat keno yi nakto 3an 7arb el jabal!

• 100. Maximus | November 9th, 2009 at 4:23 pm

  Among the 5 ministries given to RCB, it appears that only one is member of FPM, Aoun’ son in law.
  What can we say about the others?
  - Youssef Saade: Marada member/Syria
  - Fouad Abboud: affiliated to SSNP/Syria
  - Abraham Dadaian: Tachnag member/?
  - Charbel Nahhas:?

• 101. danny | November 9th, 2009 at 4:30 pm

  Max…You are right. We all knew FPM was going to get one (Nahhas) and aoun was getting one(Im Basil) and the rest as you stated…
  What a victory! That’s why oranges usually think they are important; whereas the clAounies shares were never a matter of contention! The issue was with Persia and Syria using Lebanon as a pawn intheir regional games…

• 102. Maximus | November 9th, 2009 at 4:38 pm

  Si as usual, he fights for them zealously but they never pay him…

• 103. Reminder | November 9th, 2009 at 4:57 pm

  FPM ogt 3 Bassil Nahhas and Abboud (pro FPM not SSNP ma tekhter3o yelli badkon)
  Yes tashnag deserves 1 and so do the marada. So basically FPM got 3 but lost the elections and LF got 2 but won the elections…hmmmm something doesn’t add up…. also the justice ministry is worth the telecom tourism and energy combined mahek? let me think….

• 104. danny | November 9th, 2009 at 5:02 pm

  103…”Pro”??? hahahahahaaaa..Why did you guys run out of FPM qualified members? wallaw all those amazing aouns…??He is SSNP

• 105. Reminder | November 9th, 2009 at 5:30 pm

  he is FPM! mish msakal bel 7ezeb bass aouni! ma 2osem kbir men nouweb el FPM are not “legally” subscribed in the FPM but they run as FPM! same applies to Abboud! besides mich he is part of C&R? that is headed by General Michel Aoun? didnt he choose those names? what did samoura do? other than ensure an afterlife in hell with hobeika harriri eido and other LFers as well?

• 106. Reminder | November 9th, 2009 at 5:48 pm

  also abboud was ra2is jam3iyet al sina3iyin..so even if he is kinda close to SSNP at least he is qualified to do his job..unlike other minsiters

• 107. danny | November 9th, 2009 at 6:06 pm

  Now you are totally lost ya Reminder…
  In 103 you said:”pro FPM not SSNP ma tekhter3o yelli badkon..”
  In 105 you said:”he is FPM”
  in 106 you said:”so even if he is kinda close to SSNP at least he is qualified to do his job…”
  PLEASE make up your mind or call Ja3far to teach you how to spin!!or maybe talk to those army guys who were dreaming about tal el Zaatar…
  Please relax and stop double talking…

  Reminder C & R is not the same as FPM…Back to the books…

  It almost sounds triple personality disorder…

• 108. THERESINIA | November 9th, 2009 at 6:19 pm

  Reminder,

  You are absolutely right…stay with him and don’t move away. Please….

• 109. Reminder | November 9th, 2009 at 6:50 pm

  danny u think : iza mich ma3na dodna, or eno he is LF ya3ne ma3 el 7akir lal mot no matter what… mich el kel yalli ma3 aoun hek…. mich me3ze meshyin warra… Abboud is pro-FPM or call him FPM (even tho mish msajal) or whatever, he also has ties with SSNP..does this make him SSNP? by ties ya3ne relations.. not everything is black and white… and theresinia yes i will stay with him… i d rather bet on a possibly insane general than a criminal of war/sociopath… I am christian , practicing..so u see purposefully killing the innocent is against my principles… discriminating is as well… and stop judging people based on their political beliefs! u are so quick to snap against an SSNP yet you welcome the PSP!!! they were both in the same camp during the war…hell the PSP did far worse..

• 110. danny | November 9th, 2009 at 7:03 pm

  109…It’s ok buddy…You can change your words, mind, principles etc etc…etc…Just like your Asfourieh patient the village idiot…Spin…But no avail..You guys wouldn’t know the truth if it slapped you in your face…

• 111. Reminder | November 9th, 2009 at 7:08 pm

  u mean like joumblat and hariri b*i*t*c*h slapped u guys after the elections?

• 112. danny | November 9th, 2009 at 7:17 pm

  OK…good bye reminder…as you just proved you are as smart as the cyber bytari…Your comments reflect your level of intellect and street level class…

• 113. Maximus | November 9th, 2009 at 7:18 pm

  Reminder
  The point is that almost 4 out of 5 (or 3/5 if we exclude Nahhas but the guy is not far from syrians) are people who, at time T, between syrian and Aoun, will follow Syria.

  The 5 do not represent the line adopted by the Free Patriotic Movement between 1990 and 2005. Aoun is therfore hostage of the line he adopted in 2005 at least as long as this government will stay. They tied his hands with the parliementary bloc (Arslan, Frangieh…) and now with the ministers. See it?

• 114. Reminder | November 9th, 2009 at 7:42 pm

  not really…because frangieh and all 5 ministers including Nahhas and abboud will follow Aoun at point T. I pray to God that this point in time will arrive and we ll c who will follow whom…

• 115. mano | November 9th, 2009 at 8:19 pm

  ya khaye khalsoona akhad aoun yalle baddo yeh so nsadoo please ma ta3mlolna ta7leel tefeh w sakheef mitl amtelkon ,inno badkon tfatshu 3ala shee ta ti7ko mitil niswen il forn w badkon tle2o ayya 3izir tat2oolo inno michel aoun ma ribi7 ,, ribi7 w noss 2balo ba2a w iza ma ra7 ti7ko ma3 michel aoun in the future b2ilkon bye bye ya 7ilween

• 116. Reminder | November 9th, 2009 at 9:16 pm

  ana metni ana tayyar
  ana 3awni law mahma sar!

• 117. primadonna | November 9th, 2009 at 11:22 pm

  Reminder, do u realize how lame you sound?

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