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• 1. Lebanonhsh | April 28th, 2009 at 1:51 pm

  This post contradicts with the simple spirit of any law in the world: if you don’t charge a suspect you cannot keep him in prison…law specifies a ‘reasonable’ imprisonment period before the charge and it in the most complicated cases 6 months (the time for district attorney – in the English law -to put together the charges). This is also part of basic human rights. You may be sure that someone is a criminal or a drug dealer but if you cannot prove it or at least provide evidence of reasonable doubt to a judge you cannot simply keep him in custody.
  What one may think or feel is irrelevant in this case.
  4 years in prison and an interrogation by both Lebanese and international investigators should be enough to charge these generals; we are no longer under Lebanese jurisdiction where the influence of politicians on judges is extreme (they are the ones electing him at the end of day), once this file is passed to any respectable jurisdiction, either a charge is issued or they are freed.

• 2. Rambo | April 28th, 2009 at 2:47 pm

  As LF we know what it means to be held in prison without being formally accused of a crime.

  The March 14 click made a big mistake by not charging the generals. Add to it all the lies that they fed Mehlis who played their game. Now it is coming to bite them.
  But they have Jamil Sayid in their hands and the March 14 and the LF who always said he bombed saydet el Najet should open that case again.

• 3. Rami | April 28th, 2009 at 3:49 pm

  Those generals should be freed :if you don’t charge a suspect you cannot keep him in prison.
  They have committed a lot of atrocities but we can not keep them in prison when there is no evidence at all.
  We should open saydet el najet case agian, but for the time being free the generals.
  Btw N, why did you remove the cross??

• 4. Al (Ex-Anonymous) | April 28th, 2009 at 5:04 pm

  Not to defend them… Far far far from here, but one should never forget the notion of “innocent until proven guilty”. As far as we know these guys haven’t been charged with anything yet.
  I personally hope and pray they are guilty but cannot accept that an individual be detained on simple suspicions… This is not what democracies are about… We should be very careful about what we wish for and what should be… There is a thin line between dictatorship and democracy and we should always be on the latter’s side no matter what; this is what differentiates us from the other so called regimes surrounding us. At least that’s what I think

• 5. Samalibnan | April 28th, 2009 at 5:38 pm

  Guys,,, seems like you do not have the full story…
  The four generals are now in detention based on the same law that Hariri wanted to amend and Sayyed refused « ousoul al mou7akamat… in any case, my understanding is that in general terms, suspects may be detained for a period of six months, which can be renewed, thus a maximum period of one year. This exception to this rule however, is when the the detained suspect is detained for an alleged act of terrorism, an act against the state, etc.. in these case a suspect is detained and his or her case is referred to the “majlis al 3adli” under section 107 and 108 of the law which does not have any time restriction whatsoever on the time of detention.
  Accordingly, before some of us start getting on our high horses and talk about human rights and the likes, we should have a better understanding of what it is we are talking about.
  Furthermore, and not that two wrongs make a right, but some people were killed, jailed and exiled but the same thugs behind these four characters and now they are crying foul!?!
  How ironic it is that Sayyid and gang are detained under the same law they imposed on the Lebanese people!

• 6. Samalibnan | April 28th, 2009 at 5:41 pm

  Oh and BTW, good on you N for replacing the Cross with the LF emblem. I am not sure the cross remains coherent with the current LF political speech.

• 7. N10452 | April 28th, 2009 at 7:22 pm

  I am sorry but i tend to disagree Rambo wou Lebanonhsh, i ask you simply.

  If those generals had no right to be in prison, why didnt the March 8 parties make a big fuss about them and release them through legal ways ??

  Ma la el justice ma3 M14 wala ballout …

  Lawou 3anjad they should be freed and are not detained illegally, keno 2emo el 2iyeme wou 2i7tallo Roumieh.

• 8. N10452 | April 28th, 2009 at 7:24 pm

  Samalibnan,
  The reason i removed it has nothing to do with the current LF political speech.

  I just replaced it with the LF logo, i can reput the cross whenever i feel like, it is as much an LF symbol as the LF flag is.

• 9. js | April 28th, 2009 at 8:53 pm

  N. Bring back the cross please.

• 10. Fonzie | April 28th, 2009 at 9:32 pm

  Guys u gotta watch this

  http://www.themichelaounproject.com/whole_movie.html

• 11. Al (Ex-Anonymous) | April 28th, 2009 at 9:43 pm

  Your remark disappoints me ya N… ma inta afham mn hek ya zalame, shou ostak??
  Again I am NOT defending these guys, I can’t stand them at least as much as you but still… Read my comment and you’ll understand where I’m coming from……

• 12. Mickel | April 28th, 2009 at 11:49 pm

  I understand what all you guys are saying about innocent until proven guilty.
  But this is Lebanon, where criminals always get away with their crimes.

  If these get released, they’ll head straight to syria, w ba7; they’re gone forever.
  Even if they are proven guilty, they would not have to face punishment.

  These guys violated the rules all the time. They humiliated people and should be the last ones complaining about human rights.

  I believe in democracy, but I also believe in what goes around comes around.

  We should hang on to these guys so we can punish them.

• 13. Michele | April 29th, 2009 at 4:13 am

  Kudos Samalibnan!
  Terribly shocked by the rest of comments!
  Defending those 4 criminals, is completely unnaccepted; n pls don’t BS us abt z “innocent until proven guilty”.
  These 4 should rot in jail!

• 14. Rami | April 29th, 2009 at 5:45 am

  Still innocent until proven guilty.
  and Samalibnan, on the contrary, there is a restriction on the time detention.The judge ALWAYS frees the prisoners basing his decision on a Principle above the law

• 15. N10452 | April 29th, 2009 at 7:31 am

  Al,
  Why dissapointed ?? i honestly am not very knowledgeable about the justice system but for no one to make a big fuss out of their case and claim their freedom, it means they were detained legally … i would be more than glad if someone offered a juridical approach …

• 16. kezballah | April 29th, 2009 at 8:17 am

  I agree with #5, and I add one thing that we did not arrest the four generals it is the UN investigator who asked us to arrest them.

  I think the UN judge will extend their detention until the prosecutor can charge them, but if he releases them it still doesn’t mean that they are innocent, maybe the UN court will take more time to charge them and they don’t want to hold them without charge.

  LET US NOT FORGET THAT THESE FOUR ARE CRIMINALS AND SYRIAN TRAITORS AND THEY ARE GUILTY OF MILITARY OPPRESSION AGAINST US, if the UN treat them better than they treated us it doesn’t mean they are innocent victims!!!

• 17. Doc1559 | April 29th, 2009 at 8:26 am

  This is exactly what i thought few weeks ago..The truth is amazing.

  Waynak ya kezballah ? remember our discusion ?

  They (generals) are 2 little to kill sheikh rafik w fehmak kfeye.

  One of the most enjoyable aspects of autumn is the changing colors. CHAKLU BALASH AL KAHRIF BAKIR 3INDKUN YA CHRIKK..

  Yalla mark my words : min hala2 la ekhir al sayfiye bilun walid bek bi souriya..

  Ta7iyette 2ilak.. and take care..

• 18. Lebanonhsh | April 29th, 2009 at 9:34 am

  To the Genius Nb 5, Sama..

  My friend, we all know that these generals are detained based on a recommendation from Millis, and that do not constitute a proof by itself to consider them as committing an act against the state or an act of terrorism, there is simply no proof of that. Under the law they must be freed and the prosecutor can forbid them from leaving the country thus limiting their civil rights (talking law: don’t come back and say that they will flee the country ) .. they were detained because they were the top ranking security officials during the time of the crime. Applying the same logic than Achraf rifi and el sabe3 should have been in prison after all assassinations. Law should always be impartial my friend and its rules must be applied to every body equally.
  it is really amazing how a disgrace to humanity we are: WE CALL FOR A STATE AND WE DO NOT ACCEPT THE SIMPLEST LAW PRINCIPLES, WE JUST HAVE PERSONAL OPINIONS THAT WE DETAIN AS THE SOLE TRUTH

• 19. kezballah | April 29th, 2009 at 12:34 pm

  2ahlan bi Doc kifak bro! I remember our discussions and with Ja3far and I always said that I will believe what the UN investigator is saying because the UN did the best job they can, we have nothing better on the table. When Mehlis said at the START of the investigation to arrest them I believed him and if now at the END of the investigation the UN say they are innocent I will accept it that they are innocent from the Hariri crime, but I will never accept that they are innocent from what they did for Syria against us.

  We have to wait to see if the UN say they are innocent or if they release them only until the trial, it is VERY DIFFERENT. I wish the UN will announce ALL the suspects and the charges soon so finally we know what is happening.

• 20. Rami | April 29th, 2009 at 2:01 pm

  # 16
  they will be freed youll see

• 21. Rami | April 29th, 2009 at 2:08 pm

  Freedom for the Generals

• 22. Lebanonhsh | April 29th, 2009 at 2:23 pm

  Al Akhbar newspaper for its part carried out different viewpoints in this regard:

  It quoted former Justice Minister Samir Jisr as saying that the generals are kept in detention as suspects and the decision to release them or keep them in custody has nothing to do with their conviction or their innocence.

  is this a justice minister??? is he illiterate??

• 23. Doc1559 | April 30th, 2009 at 7:02 am

  Hamdella rawa2 bro, tamine 3nak, how is the climate in Lebanon? All I can say for now is this:

  Truth has prevailed, and believes me bro; you are going to be very disappointed with the upcoming hearing the same way you and most m14 people are now days. They 4 generals did what they did during the Syrian time. Now, it’s a new era that requires a new approach. We cannot change the past buy we sure can change the future..

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