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• 1. Tarek | September 5th, 2008 at 9:12 pm

  Add this to the fact that the same helicopter has been doing the same maneuver over and over at that hill for weeks.

  We are talking with people who think that HA’s invasion of Jabal and mountain was ok …

• 2. Fou2ad | September 5th, 2008 at 9:29 pm

  tab ya3né shou baddak? ma sallamou? ya3né baddak 2inno ya3mlo mou2tamar sa7afé kbeer w y2oulo “nahna 2irhabiyé! na7na mijirmeen! na7na 3am nit2amar dodd el jeich!”, ma bi tfik 3an ra2biton ghayr 2iza 3imlo hék?
  w 7éj tistaghillouwa la makésib siyésiyé, w ta3mlo 7elkon 3am tibko 3a dammo kirmél dda3fo sha3biyyit 2a3dé2kon. Ba3d kil el el dobbat yallé 2atalouwon fati7 2islém w jound el chém yallé 2inta 3tarafit 2innon mit7alfin ma3 el hariri, ma tili3 3a bélak gheyr t3alli2 3ala 2atlit hal dabit el wa7ad?

• 3. Mickel | September 5th, 2008 at 9:36 pm

  The same old cliche of blaming everything on Israel. It’s an insult to our intelligence.

• 4. Mickel | September 5th, 2008 at 9:39 pm

  HAL DABIT L WA7AD?????!!!!!

  Fou2ad boo chi rasak? 2enno yalla bass wa7ad ra7 bassita…
  Enno w eza sallamou, lesh choo howwe fikrak menno la7alo awwas??

  TIPICAL AOUNI RESPONSE.

• 5. Rasheed | September 5th, 2008 at 10:12 pm

  The Hizb story is hard to believe, to say the least. It would be very interesting to see where the military investigation will lead to (nowhere?), especially that the morale of the LA has been free falling since January, and that a new Chief was recently appointed.

• 6. paul | September 5th, 2008 at 10:25 pm

  iza fat7 l islem atalo zibbat yi3ne 7izb allah bi7i2illo kamen y2attil ? wkil ma 7ada yinti2id HA btinti2do FI bta3rif leich ya fou2ad?la2anno ma fi fare2 beinetoun.

• 7. Tarek | September 5th, 2008 at 10:27 pm

  Fou2ad the problem is not with HA lying, it is with people believing them and not calling them terrorists and criminals.

• 8. sam | September 5th, 2008 at 10:45 pm

  you are sick people… they are the israeli planes that are manovering in the area all the time. the lebanese planes are banned from flying over the south by the israelies .. that is why the freedom fighter was surprised and reacted .. have you wondered why the other officer was not killed if they did it on purpose?
  you wish israel will do another war against your lebanon and your lebanese brothers and you called the lebanese fighters who deffend our country terrorists.. that is a very simple example why we will never have a real country…

• 9. fad14 | September 6th, 2008 at 12:11 am

  Ya bala Moukh, ya Fou2ad, Fat7 El Islam and Jound El Sham have nothing to do with Hariri, Get over it, try to suck it in your ever shrinking brain.

  Who said Fat7 El Islam is a RED Line ?????

  Wasn’t Hassan Nasrallah ?????

  Who is not allowing the Government to take over the weapons of the Palestinian camps ??? Isn’t it Syria and Nasrallah ????

  Walla inkon Ness Bala Fehm.

  Can you ever connect the lines and understand what RED Lines MEAN ????

• 10. Fou2ad | September 6th, 2008 at 12:17 am

  good point sam, if it wasn’t an accident then why didn’t they kill the others in the helicopter?

• 11. Delta | September 6th, 2008 at 12:28 am

  are u serous guys ? i mean fouad and sam ilkoun 3ein tihko? tayib il 3askare ili hagamo 3ala bayto min2 days chou bayto cjaklo appache ? man khalas w3ou wlo 3eib shame ? u know there is a song called ya Natrin by rabih al khawle sma3ouwa iits a goo one

• 12. sam | September 6th, 2008 at 12:38 am

  which soldier are you talking about delta ? you know this same place where the officier died is the same place where the son of nassrallah was killed with two resistant people and six lebanese oficiers and soldiers… there blood mixed togather fighting for our freedom and for lebanon… we may diferientiate in opinion but i do honestly and deeply believe that we both believe in lebanon.. may god be with our beloved country…

• 13. Tarek | September 6th, 2008 at 1:26 am

  Sam and fou2ad, the same helicopter has been doing the same maneuver over and over for weeks on the same hill.

  Not only that, the whole crew were arrested, disarmed, questioned and then released. So they also needed to arrest them, disarm them and interrogate them to know that they are the Lebanese army?

  An army unit headed toward the hill where the helicopter landed to investigate loss of communication they were also threatened and prevented from entering the area.

  These HA criminals are the same who invaded Beirut and bombed the urban areas with artiliries in the mountain. It was HA invading beirut, kidnapping people and bombing 3aleh with artillery not Israel.

  What do you expect of these people??? What do you expect from people who still support HA after what it did in may?

  SAM and Fou2ad you are both sick and retarded people. I actually respect HA more than you, at least they are not as dump as you are.

  Really I’m really not able to believe that there exist such stupidty. ya3ni 7a itla3 min tyabi inno yi7ri2 ikhta ma32ool fi ness bihal ghaba??? lok shu ba3mil bnattif bi 7ali ya3ni???? lok ma7adan kharib il balad gheir hal hibil illi mitilkon.

• 14. sam | September 6th, 2008 at 2:01 am

  allah yessamhak khaye tarek you should be patient toward people who disagree with your opinion.. my friend.. you are simply wrong . the plane with manovering in the area of west biquaa where they do manoover usualy coming from riyaak base.. it went by mistake toward the south and went by mistake over iqleem al toufah.. i really hope one day our planes will be able to go over all of lebanon.. but sadly the israeli dont allow them till now to go over the south.. even if you claim that…
  as soon as the plane landed the injured soldiers were taken to near by hospitals by the resistance.. these information exist in the army report if you read it instead of listening to rumors..
  and by the way.. the army are in the area.. they were not prevented from entering as you claim..if you ever go to the south , which is a part of lebanon , by the way .. you will see that.. and as i previously said the army lost six soldiers who died honorly fighting arm in arm with the son of nassrallah in the area you claim they are not allowed to enter..
  regarding beirut and 3aleh.. am sure every body know who kidnapped people and took pictures for them proudly being cut into peaces… still i believe for the sake of our country to moove forward..
  you seem to be a clever person tarek.. so you should learn to respect your enemies.. so what about your co lebanese brothers..\
  warm regards

• 15. Lebanonjon | September 6th, 2008 at 2:13 am

  Every dog gets his day in the sun. Enjoy it while it lasts.

  And bark as much as you want. Hizballahs days are numbered.

  and you all know it.

• 16. sam | September 6th, 2008 at 2:24 am

  no need for hattered lebanonjon hizballah is not the aim.. a free lebanon is the aim..
  i really hope we will reach that day when we will not need hizballah .. and these brave soldiers can lay down there arms and live in peace like they deserve…
  long live lebanon…

• 17. Tarek | September 6th, 2008 at 2:24 am

  Sam, I see you’re not dump you’re rather the enemy.

  Know one thing, you’ll lose in the end so enjoy it while it last.

• 18. Mickel | September 6th, 2008 at 2:29 am

  Sam, if Israeli planes are flying there all the time, then why don’t they shoot them?

  Who told you that the LAF is banned from flying in the south BY ISRAEL? And even if they were banned, what does that have to do with this incident?

  It’s not Israel ya habibi who’s bannig the army from operating in the South.

• 19. sam | September 6th, 2008 at 2:38 am

  khaye tarek .. am not your enemy:).. if you hate me now.. i really wish we will be able to have a real country that can embrace our children in the future..
  khaye mickel..i am not the one who says the israeli planes are flying there .. it is the united nations report..that is why the commander of the \un in lebanon was forbetted to meet barak.. because he mentioned that in his report.. and that is why the plane was shot.. because the guy thought it is an israeli one..
  you should understand that human mistakes do happen when you are in such a hot danger area.. that is very sad.. but it do happen…
  lebanese planes are banned from flying in the south since more then 30 year.. a proof was the small training plane which was shut by the isreli planes 8 years ago when it went by mistake toward the south….
  and finaly my brother.. thank god.. the army is proudly in the south.. pointing his weapons at the enemy.. israel…
  warm regards

• 20. Rima | September 6th, 2008 at 2:51 am

  shi bi nakrezz hal mante2

• 21. Mickel | September 6th, 2008 at 2:55 am

  Sam boy you are stupider than stupid.

  Are you serious with all that crap you’re saying?!

  5ayye israeli planes have been violating our airspace for decades. 3ALA RASE. teb if ALL those Israeli planes have been flying over that area for years, why didn’t they confuse any of them with Lebanese planes? and why didn’t they shoot at any of those planes?

  and since they’re our brothers, why didn’t they let the army go retrieve the plane until hours later?

  The army’s presence in the south is symbolic, and Hezbollah hates the army being there..

  Sam don’t insult our intelligence either!

• 22. Tarek | September 6th, 2008 at 3:01 am

  I don’t hate my enemies sam. Hating your enemies is a mistake. I just plan on destroying them.

• 23. sam | September 6th, 2008 at 3:15 am

  khaye mickel the israelies use several types of planes in their manovering… usually they use the fighters in their daily violatings and the hilocapters when they do drop special forces behind their enemy lines.. history prove that .. when they kidnapped both dirani in biqua and obeid in the south they did that with hilocapters.. history showed sevral occasions when israelis dropped camoflaged soldiers as lebanese forces.. even the helicopters they were using werent the cobra ones mentioned in the report above why do we all have short memories. since 2 years the daily violating is done using f16 mainly. when the resistance man found himself facing a helicopter in an area that has been bombarded daily by israeli helicopters and that have never seen any lebanese plane before in that area he reacted by instinct and shoot at it. why is it so hard for you guys to believe in human errors? they american army killed so many of there own soldiers while invading iraq.. it is called friendly power..i do agree there is lot of diferences in politics with H.A .. but let us leave it to politics.. we should not use the blood of the oficier in such a way..
  the army lost 70 soldiers during the july war two years ago defending the south of lebanon… believe me there presence is not as simbolic as you think.. but i believe you should try to visit other areas in your country.. if you believe it to be one country.
  and believe me , i respect your inteligence even though you think i am stupid…
  warm regards

• 24. Rima | September 6th, 2008 at 3:17 am

  If we admit HA’s story that they shot the pilot by mistake. This tells me that some HA militants are incompetent, suffering from mental illness, or idiots…well they should stop telling us that they are well trained and that they defeated Isreal..pathetic

• 25. sam | September 6th, 2008 at 3:20 am

  khaye tarek in wars it is always the innocent d poor anpeople who dies..it seems you are too young and didnt live the civil war .. other wise you would not say that… do you really believe half of the lebanese people can completely destroy the other half? may god be with our country with such a way of thinking…
  chabab mithamsseen …allah yehmikoun

• 26. sam | September 6th, 2008 at 3:24 am

  hi rima:) why dont you want to believe that the lebanese can have the strength to stand and protect there country .. dont forget that the victroy with for lebanon , the resitance, the army and us the people…it was not for H.A only…

• 27. Rima | September 6th, 2008 at 3:27 am

  Sam

  Don’t tell me that HA’s main aim is to defend our land?

  I don’t think you are stupid I think you are heavily indoctrinated …which means ghassil dmeigh: the aim is to replace free and critical thinking by a sickening doctrine

• 28. Tarek | September 6th, 2008 at 3:28 am

  sam, I said I plan on my destroying my enemies, I didn’t say how or whether with half the Lebanese or not.

• 29. Rima | September 6th, 2008 at 3:34 am

  Ya Sam…because of HA’s kidnapping opertaion in the South…Israel haraet alla taba2na tahbashet el dineh ala rassna…if not for Siniora’s diplomacy…

  Anyway, no need to na2moul antar ala Israel…our real enemy is Syria who assassinated our leaders and lived off our back for thirty years and still ma halet an sama rabna…..why your HA’s antars do not protect Lebanon from Syria? If they are hal ad abadayet..there is no small enemy and big enemy……I beleive Syria and Iran are the real enemies…..and you know why? don’t you?

• 30. bashirist for life | September 6th, 2008 at 3:39 am

  Sam,
  I feel sorry for you, you seems to be brain washed like so many i read all your comments and can’t beleive what you said, wake up and smell the coffee.

• 31. Tarek | September 6th, 2008 at 3:42 am

  guys, sam is not stupid. He’s the enemy just like HA. Look he even argue like them.

• 32. sam | September 6th, 2008 at 3:43 am

  rima may be i just have a diferent point of view..
  if you are ouwet you should understand H.A better then any body else.. they were born in a community that was left behind, occupied by israel with no one deffending them…
  the people of that area were being attacked by israel since 1936… for lot of the people in south of lebanon now is the only time in their history they feel protected against israel.. that is why H. A is so powerful.. even though the propaganda that is brain washing saying the opposite.. they are the people of the land.. and trust me they are not criminal .. hopefuly when day our country will be able to defend those people.. then there will be no more need for H.A.. then you will see.. they will just melt in the ground..
  khaye tarek.. i have nothing more to say but ask god to protect you..
  warm regards

• 33. sam | September 6th, 2008 at 3:46 am

  guys you should accept diferent points of you that is the way countries and civilisations are build .. no need to convince each others .. but is is very important to accept each others..

• 34. sam | September 6th, 2008 at 4:02 am

  it was a pleasure talking to you guys, and rima.. even thought we have big diferences, i do respect your opinions a lot… and i dont have any doupt that you want the best for lebanon the same way i do..
  i will be leaving now to have some sleep .. so please excuse me.. wish you all the best ..
  warm regards

• 35. Tarek | September 6th, 2008 at 4:22 am

  sam, HA hinneh zbalit il mojtama3 il libnani yalli lazim titkannas. They are the scum thugs of Lebanon. They are those who clapped for Syria and still clapping for syria which invaded 95% Lebanon and then they call themsleves resistance for fighting the 5% that was occupied.

  People of the south welcomed the Israeli army because they were glad they got rid of PLA. These same people constitue HA now. Even sharon who was there wrote in his diary that after what he saw in the south by the Shiaa he would not consider them by any means the enemy of Israel instead someone whom Israel can benefit with.

  Those HA scum invaded beirut and Jabal in May. They shot fireworks when Gebran was assassinated and when Pierre was,. Those people are the allies of Syria which is a far worse enemy than Israel.

  Even their previous leader consider HA now as a part of Iranian regime, what do you expect of the other Lebanese. This is what they are, just read what their goal is. BTW HA was all part of the Iranian regime expansion in the middle east to enforce the Islamic revolution. They had similar parties in Kuwait, KSA and other countries however they were most successful in Lebanon for the ease of providing money and arms with the syrian occupation in addition to the presence of the Isralis that can act as a ploy. They came and bought the scums of Lebanon and made up a scum party. You can just read their founding statement and know their goals.

  However I can tell you one thing, they will fail. Why? Because they are scum and they will always be scum and scum always fail.

• 36. rima | September 6th, 2008 at 5:17 am

  tarek

  “They are those who clapped for Syria and still clapping for syria which invaded 95% Lebanon and then they call themsleves resistance for fighting the 5% that was occupied.”

  Hayda hakkeh

  fasshaytelleh khilke

• 37. Mickel | September 6th, 2008 at 6:01 am

  Sam Israel didn’t exist in 1936!

  As for the Lebanese Helicopter, IT HAD BEEN LANDING ON THAT HILL FOR WEEKS PRIOR TO THE INCIDENT!!

  Why didn’t they think it was an Israeli landing then??

  It wasn’t friendly fire, because HA is not friendly to the army!!
  You have been brainwashed to the point of no return.

• 38. Rodge | September 6th, 2008 at 8:50 am

  Hizb has one target only,
  It is to dominate Lebanon, and they will do anything to intimidate other parties, by terrorizing, kidnapping, killing, threatening, and lying on them.
  In this quest, they are not differing between Lebanese, Israelis, Christians, Muslims, or else. everybody are there ennemies. It is a plan that is well executed till now, they have managed to obtain the support of Aoun and his followers, they have been able to terrorize Sunnis and dividing them lately as they did with Christians, they were able to force Junblatt to change his statement, and they put a big fear within he Lebanese army.
  In result, the only real party that is still facing them on the field through many minor accidents, and in Politics, is the LF, and that’s why they are attacking the LF continuously, while playing the rumors game through their aounallah.

• 39. sam | September 6th, 2008 at 10:13 am

  guys you shouls read more then one news paper, watch more then one tv .. and listen to more then one opinion..even if the truth may anoy you sometimes.. you are …simply..sad
  you are accusing me of being brain washed but you are not able to accept that there is another opinion in the country.. the first thing you should do is to understand that there is no absolute black or white but greys.. then you can make your self moove from the stifness in your minds that you are accusing me of.
  Mickel .. the jewish terrorist parties have been attacking the south of lebanon even before the declaration of the state of israel. try to read the history of your country .. by the way do you believe in lebanon? and in the rights of the co lebanese ?
  Moreover, the army declared in there statement that the plane went out of it is usual path.. so if you still want to insist on the fact that they have been flighing there for weeks you have a real problem you want to believe what you only want to believe.. even if it is wrong.
  tarek… you have a problem my friend.. you should accept that there are other lebanese people who are diferent in their opinion .. and they are not scum or stupid or dumb…when you think you and only you is right and every body else is stupid.. that is the definition of brain washing.. let me remind you that israel invaded beirut in 1982 . that is when H.A started there resistance. that was not 5 % of the lebanese homeland.
  And yes you are right .. lot of people from the south were very happy when israel get rid of the PLO .. the same way lot of lebanese were happy when the syrian entered lebanon in 1977 to help them get rid of the PLO… but in both cases the lebanese fought over the israelis and syrians.
  However you need to understand that the H A has evolved a lot since 1982 when they made the political statement you are talking about . they understand very well that they are strong as long as lebanon is a country that contain all type of religions and sects living in harmony with each other,, other wise it will become like any other country in the region .. a monopole.. in that case they will loose their power and influence in the region..
  i do disagree with HA in many issues regarding their politics and ideologies but i believe i should accept them and work on reducing our diferences .. because tarek ,,, trust me you will not be able to “tkaness “30 % of the lebanese population.. israel have tried two years ago and failed… and a civil war will “tkaness”all of us…
  rodge may peace be with you…
  warm regards

• 40. lebanonhsh | September 6th, 2008 at 11:03 am

  #36 tarek
  ‘HA hinneh zbalit il mojtama3 il libnani yalli lazim titkannas’

  Do you realize that badak tkanes more than 40% of your population …could you tell us how do you plan to do that??

• 41. paul | September 6th, 2008 at 11:53 am

  Tarek,chou baddak a7san min hek.
  you can kill anyone yo dont like and say…

  oups…fakkarto sahyoune

• 42. Rodge | September 6th, 2008 at 12:00 pm

  sam.

  Thank you.
  Eventhough I don’t agree with many of your thoughts, but at least you have showed your ideas in respect, and i think that’s we need here.
  we can disagree, but we should not disrespect each others.

  May peace be with you too.

• 43. Najib Aoun | September 6th, 2008 at 1:01 pm

  it is getting clearer and clearer that Hizbullah is taking over the institutions slowly but surely , after having the chief of parliment under their authority , a government that cant touch their weapons , a president that acknowledges their so called “Resistance ” ,who may i add might be another Syrian agent ,- lets hope not -, Hizbullah is now aiming at weakening the army , one of the only remaining independant institutions.You cant directly hit the army , u have to choregraph an incident that u can portray as an accident ,and try and get the army to hit you by continuously and effectively raising the tension with the military institution.
  u also create a internal cleavage between the military officers
  ahlan bikom fi dawlat hizbullah

  -EX AOUNIST AND PROUD-

• 44. Rasheed | September 6th, 2008 at 1:11 pm

  Please give sam the chance to provide an alternate opinion on this forum. Even though sam seems to be repeating Al-Manar’s propaganda, that should not y7allil dammo! Please provide a constructive reasonable counter argument, in a civilized, democratic fashion instead of threatening to kill him! Come on, isn’t that what Hizb does?!!

• 45. Fuziyad | September 6th, 2008 at 1:21 pm

  Sam, a quickie for you.

  I am of those who believe that one stage HA had the right and even the duty to resist Israel and we should all be grateful to the shiia community for standing against israel when it was occupying our land.

  But these days are gone, Israel left lebanon in 2000, wallaw?? weren’t they defeated?? nsina??

  Now in the present situation, meaning Israel out of lebanon struggling inside its own borders and 15000 unifil troops at the borders, do you think HA carrying weapons , smuggling more on daily basis and barking that it’s planning to destroy israel, INCREASES OR DECREASES risk of Israeli war on Lebanon???? a sincere answer would be appreciated…tks

• 46. sam | September 6th, 2008 at 2:07 pm

  thank you for your positivity khaye rasheed am sure we both agree that there is no absolute truth when it come to politics.. each party may be marketing its believes .. as long as we all believe that our good will and future depend mainly on a strong and healthy lebanon…
  Fuziad .. believe me ..in principle..am against any party carrying weapons in lebanon other then the lebanese army.. I believe that the HA warriors have the right to live a normal life as we all do..it is the obligation of the army and the government to defend the country..
  if you look at the names of the ones who died during the 2006 war fighting you will see among them university students, doctors, engineers… actually i had a university friend from AUB who graduated with me as engineer and died fighting the israeli instead of following a good career path as i do… so in concept i am against them fighting for several reasons..
  the israelies had always had interest ina weak lebanon and in the litani river water..moreover, the zionists had been violating the lebanese territories since 1936, even before the israeli states exists. there is a long history of massacres that is available in the archieve of the lebanese government. The lebanese army is still banned to purshase the needed arms to defend themselves against such attacks. the american government is banning selling such weapons to lebanon.. a sad fact.. but it is true.
  the only way to maintain peace on the borders is to have a certain type of equilibrium in power.. i. e for either of the two parties to know that they will pay very heavily if they go into war.. that is why the south borders are in peaceful states at the moment… because the HA have enough weapons to make israel think a lot before any attack.. i really hope one day the lebanese army will be able to take such a responsability..
  warm regards

• 47. Fuziyad | September 6th, 2008 at 2:59 pm

  Sam, I didn’t ask for all the dibéjé on Israel arab conflicts and braveness of those who fought Israel…

  When Israel used to attack lebanon the whole international context was different and more importantly, the PLO was at the Lebanese boarders provoking Israel…

  Right now, do you think there is a risk for an israeli attack on lebanon?? I guess the answer is yes because not only there is a risk but even a certitude that this will happen sooner or later. If hizzies convert into a normal party and stops threatening israel in speaches and saying they want to avenge mloukiyeh bla bla…do you think this will DECREASE OR INCREASE the risk??

  Or let’s make it more concrete, if hizzies do make a revenge operation for mloukiyeh do you think this may provoke a war?? if it happens could we say that hezb took us into war or would they be protecting us?? let me know…

• 48. Danny | September 6th, 2008 at 3:09 pm

  Sammy…

  You said:

  ….the only way to maintain peace on the borders is to have a certain type of equilibrium in power..

  What a crock of shit!…Like Egypt and Israel or jordan and Israel??? Canada and USA or Mexico??

  Dumb and stupid remarks only good for shades of orange and Yellow. Good for coolaid!

• 49. sam | September 6th, 2008 at 3:23 pm

  you know fuziad.. a problem is to think that history starts when we want it to start… to forget what we want and remember what we want…
  israel have never been a peaceful country.. it used to attack lebanese boarders even before PLO was created. the arrab summit did not meet in the 56 to talk about the israel danger for the first time till it was so obvious that they cannot hide behind there fingers any mores, and that israel is after there territories and water..
  reports about the israelies planning to attack lebanon before 2006 were publihed in lot of strategic western magazines .. unfortunately , we dont want to read them or believe them.. when either sharon or dayan , i guess, wrote about the strategis the israelies used in there war, journalists asked him why he is not afraid of the arabs to read that,, he smiled and that arabs dont read.. and if they ever read they dont understand..
  when israel invaded lebanon in 1982 they had an excuse that someone tried to assassin the ambassador in england he was not even assassinated!!!
  when the american invaded vietnam they had an excuse that the vietnamies destroyed an american battleship that was shown later not to be even attacked …
  dont forget Fuziad that it was israel who killed mughnieh .. if you feel like you can trust them .. the relatives of a hundred thousand civilian who were killed during the 1982 invasion cant…
  i wish we can all hide our head in the sand close our eyes for a while and when we get our head out … we will have peace between each others and our beloved two neighbors..
  sadly this will not happen

• 50. sam | September 6th, 2008 at 3:25 pm

  khaye danny .. am talking about the state of war … not peace..
  hopefully one day we will be able to reach such a peace..
  and sorry if i cant meet your thinking standards.. i ask your forgivness..
  peace

• 51. Danny | September 6th, 2008 at 3:36 pm

  Sam,

  This is your war! Israel is out of Lebanon. It was your brothers in green and yellow or whatever that attacked israel in 2006!
  Please spare us all this BS. You want peace? Then let’s meet with the Israelis and make one! Just like all the Arab countries including the BASHAR clan!

  Your forgiven!

• 52. sam | September 6th, 2008 at 4:05 pm

  khaye danny .. i dont want war with any body..i want peace..
  but i believe that the only way to reach peace is to be strong enough to earn it… i wish peace with israel can be as simple as it was between israel and jordan for example… but we have a tiny problem..a 500,000 palestinians who live in lebanon , who we dont want to give them citizinship ( the way jordanian did ) do you really believe we can bypass the issue that easily .. i wish..
  finally please understand guys that i do agree with some of what you are writting and disagree with other things.. dont be angry of we are not 100% copied in our ideas…it is normal among humans to have diversity in their way of thinking..
  peace be with you

• 53. N10452 | September 6th, 2008 at 4:11 pm

  Sam,
  If you really think you will get those palestinians back to Israel, you seriously have a problem man …

  And stop this khayye wou 7abeebe wou peace & love attitude ..

  If you support HA, you support war & destruction …
  You kinda remind me of a movie i watched yesterday called Funny Games ..

• 54. sam | September 6th, 2008 at 4:28 pm

  What can i say N10451.. i truly believe that if we are not brothers in blood we are still brothers in humanity..so am not faking any attitude…
  regarding the palestinians.. you may reach a peace agreement with the israeli but giving them citizinship will mean simply destroying the state of lebanon.. so i really believe it is a a real block against this peace treaty…
  regards

• 55. Fuziyad | September 6th, 2008 at 4:38 pm

  Ya Sam ya habibé, I told you the debate is not if israel is nice or not…of course they are SOB, what am saying is that now that they pulled out of lebanon and that we have UN troops in the south, the best way to avoid more war is to play it low profile, not represent a big threat to israel and make sure we have full protection of the interantional community.

  You still didn’t answer me, would israel attack lebanon if HA stopped causing a threat???? what for?? they know well they would be facing resistance even if there is no bearded monkeys barking everyday that they will throw the jews in the sea. THIS DOES NOT PROTECT US, THIS PUTS IN DANGER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  what is sad is that am sure you also think it is the case but obviously, by your comments you consider that thinking or saying that makes you a pro israeli….well it doesn’t…

  About mloukiyeh, I didn’t get your answer saying “you have to remeber israel killed mloukiyeh”, so what?? his revenge is worth goig into war???

  PS: are you that sure it’s the isarelies who prepeared the mloukiyeh dish?? did they get any help from the shakika?????choukarn li souria al assad ma hek???

• 56. rima | September 6th, 2008 at 4:46 pm

  Sam

  Excuse me but do you have any understanding of the meaning of SOVEREIGNTY? so shou ea2yak iza kammen if people who think syria is their enemy(and it is indeed) rearm and call themselves resistance and haymanou ala el balad shou yaani what applies to HA applies to others…

  Inou ma am ifham shou ra2yak? ra2yak innou HA yimssahou el balad bi issm el resistance…tayeb ok if that is what you want so don’t expect me to respect your opinion coz hayda issmou naheb we katel we zaaraneh kamen…hayde siffatt el issabeit…

• 57. sam | September 6th, 2008 at 5:22 pm

  you made me smile fuziad you made me remember how tarek ( # 35) criticised H.A heavily because some of there supporters showed happiness when jumeil was assanitated and you are making fun from H.A main leader who was assacinated to calling him mloukhieh see lebanese are all the same whatever colour they put on…
  you know your point is debatable, you think israel will want to live in peace others will think the israels will not forget what happen and will seek revange… in my opinion , israel dont want to see a strong lebanon wich cause a threat so they will attack when they want regardless of the excuse.. and if they ever do.. trust me we will need these brave people to protect our country,,,
  rima .. i understand your concern.. and i agree with a lot of what you are saying.. However, i still believe there is a big gap filled by H.,A. ..
  they will stay the way they are till our country is ready to fill the gap..
  warm regards

• 58. rima | September 6th, 2008 at 5:39 pm

  Sorry Sam but Mughanieh is terrorist number one a thug…Jumayel a young and well-educated and honest innocent man…..plz be careful in your comparison…..

• 59. Che | September 6th, 2008 at 5:54 pm

  As I read most of the comments I would like to emphatically state the following:

  1) Israel is here to stay and every person on earth has the moral obligation to support the undisputed right of the Jews for their eternal homeland that is “engraved” in every archeological site in the historical Palestine.
  2) Every person is obliged to support by peaceful means the rights of the Palestinians for a sovereign homeland.
  3) As a corollary of 1 and 2 Lebanese are not and shall not be the enemies of Israel but rather friends of the Jews and in fact should form an alliance.
  4) Maronites are the closest to the Jews culturally as reflected in our prayers that can be conducted in principle in 100% Aramaic, which is a Hebrew dialect.
  5) The Shiite population is 100% Lebanese. The Hezbollah party is NOT! In fact, the party is established and funded by Iran for Iran’s hegemonic aspirations, especially against the Sunni with whom they have been enemies for centuries, and have the Nazi mentality to revive this struggle by all means and at all fronts. The party has taken over the Shiite population by virtue of its poverty over the years and the neglect by Lebanese government, which was and still is dominated by Feudalism.

• 60. sam | September 6th, 2008 at 5:58 pm

  rima a terrorist in one eye is a freedom fighter in another eye.. for some bush is a great president for others he is bigest terrorist… but it is a shame to look at moghnieh through our ennemies eyes…
  for lot of lebanese moghnieh is a man who devoted his life to defend them and their country he didnt seek position nore used his power even when he was the military leader of H.A and made israel withdraw in 2000 then won the war in 2006 no one knew about him..
  he was modest and didnt seek any fame..
  the first step in making a real lebanon and to live as co lebanese is to try to understand the other people in the country to try to look at things through there eyes too. to try to put ourselves in their shoes for a moment.. not to prejudge them..
  to be sorry and very sad for loosing such two leaders..
  regards

• 61. sam | September 6th, 2008 at 6:20 pm

  che ! what are you talking about man? the maronites are the closest to the jews? man! the jews dont believe in cristianity at all man.. they believe marry was a whore.. they have crucified jesus.. what are you talking about man….

• 62. N10452 | September 6th, 2008 at 6:30 pm

  Sam,
  A terrorist is a terrorist .. ma fi one eye wou ballout .. by definition Moghnieh objectively is the biggest terrorist that probably every existed .. its scientific ma fiyya emotions wala causes …

  A man devoted for his country doesnt kill innocent people …

  Wou bye7keene bil humanity 2el ..

• 63. paul | September 6th, 2008 at 6:44 pm

  sam we can still distinguish between friend and foe where many others have lost this talent.

  …”the first step in making a real lebanon and to live as co lebanese is to try to understand the other people…”

  I am sure you meant the fears of the people from HA weapons.

• 64. Fuziyad | September 6th, 2008 at 6:59 pm

  Fair point sam for the mloukiyeh issue.

  However what bothers me in what happenned on pierre or gebran death in dahiyeh is not that people among themselves were cheering up, it doesn’t suprise me as I know I would probably do the same if one of theirs was killed…and I confess, eventough I believe this is wrong that I was deeply happy the day the green dish was made. Even my colleagues(not in lebanon) made me notice that I was particlularly smiling and happy on that day…anyway…

  What bothers me is that went the fireworks were done for gebran pierre or other simliar events, the indibat and other illegal authorities in dahiyeh didn’t stop people from doing so…assuming they were not themsleves behind it…What bothers me is that when sawsan from nbn said she wanted to see fatfat dead el istaiz nabih who is supposed to be head of the parliament of which Dr Fatfat is a member didn’t sack her`!!!!!!!!!!

  Now back to israel, let’s be pragmatic, is there more chances that israel attacks jordan, egypt or lebanon??? again…let me know what you think…

• 65. sam | September 6th, 2008 at 7:16 pm

  what bother me fueziad is that through our history we were always dependent on foreigners against our brothers in the country.. we always considered our country to be a piece of cake and fought over the bigest share..we never thought that if ever united there will be much more for every one.. that is why you will be happy if another leader is assacinated and vice versa..
  of course there is more chances that they will attack lebanon:) just because they love us …and we love them as Che ( 59) mentioned earlier…
  mina al houb ma katal sah?

• 66. Fuziyad | September 6th, 2008 at 7:29 pm

  We are getting there ya sam, we are getting there…There is more risk that they attack us because we keep provoking them, do we keep provoking them because the lebanese are more anti israeli than others? or do we provoke them because we are dependant on some foreign powers who want to provoke israel without getting bombed themselves?? these foreign powers along with israel killed you friend from AUB in 2006 and might one day kill you, me, or our children…salamat

• 67. sam | September 6th, 2008 at 8:58 pm

  i do agree with you totally .at the moment, lebanon is a place where different countries fight there war .. that is why it is very important to try to get unified . by doing that both left wings and right wings will meet in the middle.. lebanon can never stand with one part against the other and survive.. am sure you agree..
  still regarding israel… i believe they will never forget the way they withrawed from lebanon in 2000 … or what happened in 2006.. they will always try to seek revenge .. they will not need any excuse ..history proove that. wheter we provoqued them or not.. but it is very important to keep reminding them that there revenge will not be so easy and they will pay a lot for it…
  moreover , i believe the way the syrian withdrew was humilating for them as well.. they may want to seek revenge too..do you believe it is a good idea to keep saying from lebanon that we will remove the syrian regime or to receive all kind of anti regime syrians on our tv? like khadam or ikhwan?
  warm regards

• 68. Fuziyad | September 6th, 2008 at 9:44 pm

  ha ha Sam, I have to admit you are far more clever and argue much better than the average m8…

  You got me on the Syrian thing…very good point…to be honest, post beirut spring I was pissed off with jumblatt and G tueni mouzéyadet on syria, and I think the international community pushed us too much on that…however with time going and the syrian counter offensive becoming what it became I started beliveing that as long as the assad family rules, lebanon will live no peace, amy be somewhere we’ve asked for it but as things are, yes I want a regime change and yes even it this mean the ekhwen (eventough am christian)…

  But you have to admit there is something fundamentally different between the assad regime and israel. Syria can dream or even might succeed coming back to lebanon, been there, done that, and there is still plenty of nostalgics(the choukran la souria el assad boys). In the contrary, Israel, despite all the hayda 3amil w hayda 3amil propaganda, has no real friends in lebanon and occupying lebanon is impossible and has no real appeal for isreal…

  bass mabrouk you scored

  AL MAWTOU LI SOURIA, AL MAWTOU LI ISRAIL AND AL MAWTOU LI IRAN(eza btesma7…)

• 69. sam | September 6th, 2008 at 10:07 pm

  you know fuziad.. the matter was not scoring but exchanging ideas .. and i am happy there are some people here who wants to share the view and communicate instead of just throwing insults like many
  it is normal to have diferences but am sure we can work on meeting in the middle ,, no?
  but believe me .. you dont want al ikhwan to rule in syria .. wish will lead to them ruling in lebanon … just go through history and you will see the massacres they did when they ruled .. in mount lebanon and other place..
  another thing if you allow me.. while every body was playing with the nerves of syria in a way that could have led easily to a civil war in lebanon .. you know the syrian friends are so many i believe this thank you syria demonstration and the good relation with nassrallah have saved us from such a revenge.. you may think am silly and am sure many will start calling me stupid here.. but i know you will make it run in your head a little ,
  sorry your name confused me.. are you a lady or a gentelman?

• 70. Maximus | September 7th, 2008 at 12:18 am

  Sam
  tokhbis bi tokhbis, typical excited youpi mixing things

  you are telling us that we should not interfer in changing syrian regime than explaining that you “don’t want ikhwen to rule syria” …”which will lead them ruling lebanon”.. Who ruled lebanon for 30 years? “massacres they did”? and the baassist regime did not commited massacres in lebanon? “playing with the nerves of syria?” chou mahdoum! How many political leaders were assassinated in syria the last three years? and in lebanon? “that could have led easily to a civil war in lebanon”? Why? How? We play with their nerves and they ract by a “civil war” in Lebanon? “Thank you syria” saved us from revenge” chou am tehke? stupid?

• 71. Maximus | September 7th, 2008 at 12:27 am

  Sam
  Che is not talkin about theological links between jews an smaronites but about strategic common sotuation: two minorities facing an hostile majority. You anti jewish propaganda can not work. We us christian have never been bombed by israeli but by syrians and i uderstand that shiite have never been bombed by syrians, but shiite can not explain to us that they suffered more from the israeli bombs than us from the syrian bombs. If Aoun allied with hezbollah, aounits don’t have to forget the christian suffering from syrians and just repeat the suffering of the shiite. Can you understand that?

• 72. sam | September 7th, 2008 at 12:45 am

  chou hal maximus el fiteh hayda another blocked minded who dont want to listen to others.. who think every body else is stupid because he reached the highest level of wisdom…tahanina
  habibi jewish, shia , christians and alawiye are all minorities in this wide region surrounded by muslim sunnies… i never said al ba3ess are good just go back through my writtings.. but their is bad and their is real real bad…a small comparison between the situation of the cristians in syria with their situation in egypt or the gulf will explain to you what i meant.,.. but it is up to you to make your homework… and to learn…

  and if you really believe in lebanon .. you should look to minimise the differences with your co lebanese brothers.. whatever religion they are .. and not to go after one of the ennemies to fight another groupe.. we did that in the civil war and we paid high prices.. do you remember, or you were not born at that time yet?,, ana wa khaye 3ala iben 3ame.. whether iben 3ami is syria or israel.. but the problem is do you really believe i am your brother or your enemy?\
  even if you win now 3azizi again in the same cycle in few years and you will loose then,
  learn history guys…
  regards

• 73. Fuziyad | September 7th, 2008 at 6:48 am

  Uff ya samsoum, was wondering why you were being so polite with me given the camp you belong to…

  Well, sorry to disapoint you but fuziyad stands for ziyad with a fu before…fuziyad or fusillade(sounds the same) in french means a shooting, that used to be my stage name few years ago when I was younger and a rapper in perverted europe…

  I think it fits with my verbal targetings and thus adopted it on the lebanese political blogosphere…it may brake your dreams and/or give you an argument saying I am a blood thursty az3ar…

  As I told you, on the syrian issue I confess to be somehow confused…but again, as I told you I think the assad regime didn’t give us, the free lebanese, many other choices than confrontation…and eventough I put our southerner apartheid regime at the same if not worse level than the syrian dictature, I think we should avoid war with both…as much as humanely possible…

  ABOU TAREK EL BEYROUTHI.
  14.03,2005
  ASCHRAFIEH, THE NEVER DEFEATED HILL, OVERLOOKING STINLKING DA7IYEH

• 74. sam | September 7th, 2008 at 9:47 am

  khaye fuziyad you think i am hunting girls in such a place give me a brake… i was just wondering because few men have the courage to listen and share their ideas like you did … you know the testesterone level usually get high quickly…
  i really hope we have earned the respect of both part and we will avoid war with both of them.. but what i hope really even more is to be able to brake this cycle we have been going through since ever and have peace between each others…
  warm regards

• 75. Maximus | September 7th, 2008 at 2:14 pm

  Sam you are still mixing things, islamic minorities are still belonging to islam, there is nothing that maronites share with the other islamic minorities. Go read maronite history befrore coming here and try to respond to everyone to preach your truth. You have a naive lecture of thinks. Stop considering all those who do not think like you as “blocked minded”. Opening mind may not lead to truth but to confusion as you are demonstrating in each of your word.

• 76. sam | September 7th, 2008 at 2:19 pm

  thank you maximus you just prooved my point.. and take it easy

• 77. Delta | September 7th, 2008 at 3:00 pm

  Sam u should run for teh democratic party here in the states u seem to be more liberal than obama wfihmak kfeyeh…youtalk in both direction u said and i quote you beleive that peice is achieved when ur strong man realize something isreal is the USA no matter how strong youll be they ll crach you so stop trying to be strong and put all that effort and money ina piece treaty

• 78. rima | September 7th, 2008 at 3:13 pm

  There is nothing wrong with being brainwashed with the love of freedom, democracy, peace, prosperity…

  It is time for people like sam to stop bull…ing about Isreal the ultimate enemy of the Arabs while they are rayhiin zahef alla el nogotiations with israel and the USA…

  How ironic some people talk about the freedom of speech and support terrorist and authoritarian regimes and militias that assassinate you if you dare confront them……shame on such people whoever they are…..just ultimate hypocrisy….hajj ba2a miin fir2a maou palestine everyone am yitejjer fiyyoun for their own politics….IS THAT HARD TO UNDERSTAND? HADDA YI FESHELLEH KHIL2E WE YI2ELLEH

• 79. sam | September 7th, 2008 at 3:59 pm

  you know delta , regardless of the light sarcastic introduction that made me smile i do agree with you.. it is peace we should be seeking…
  however, i believe peace is not given it is earned.. that is why the palestinians are not able to reach such a treaty with israel even if they want to.and been trying to since the 90 s..
  i really hope we became strong enough to sit with the israelies as equals and to reach such a treaty…
  am happy for you rima.. it is nice to live in such a lovely world..
  warm regards

• 80. Maximus | September 7th, 2008 at 4:14 pm

  Sam stop smiling…Your smiles hide your incapacity to convince us… You are not convinced yourself…

• 81. Danny | September 7th, 2008 at 4:42 pm

  sam says

  …really hope we became strong enough to sit with the israelies as equals and to reach such a treaty…

  WHY???????????

  here we go again with dumb ass “reasons” that only the HA sheople will believe in…Why????What the F do they have to give to you?? What do you want to negotiate for??

• 82. sam | September 7th, 2008 at 5:34 pm

  why do you insist that we need to convince each others in everything maximus? why arent we allowed to think differently? who said we should be identical? believe me it is healthy to have differences in opinions .. the same way it is healthy to smile:)
  stop being angry man …you should be happy to have a different opinion in this forum. i am expressing a moderate different point of you.. the view of the others living in the country..
  you should open up people and accept that there are iothers living in the country who shares lot of things with you and they do diferentiate in other things ..
  but most important we share this small country and we have to learn to accept each others and live in peace togather…
  man the christian and muslim families who escaped lebanon to israel in 2000 are desperate to come back.. believe me we have more in comun as lebanese then we do with the israelies..
  danny .. sorry man.. this is my opinion ,, the egyptians didnt reach peace with israel till the 73 war.. we dont have anything to give them.. you believe in there good will .. i dont..i believe i should be strong enough to have peace with these people.. am just giving my opinion.. i respect yours.. learn to respect mine…
  regards

• 83. Maximus | September 7th, 2008 at 6:26 pm

  Start considering syria as an ennemi as you are asking me to consider israel as an enemy. Start to admit that the LF was the first resistance that permit Lebanon to survive the syro-palestinian invasion as you are asking me to consider hezbullah as a resistance to israel. Don’t come here talking about “open up” and “accept that there are others linving in the country” without applying it to yourself. I am not a menace for you. Christians are not armed. You are. And you are using your arms against other lebanese. Start by asking yourself if you are taking into consideration the other lebanese. We are talking politics, not politics related to wages and social security, but politics related to survival of nations, faith and identity. So we can be cordial but spare us your smile…

• 84. Mickel | September 7th, 2008 at 7:19 pm

  Sam in Lebanon, there are two completely different points of view, so this whole ‘difference in opinion’ that you’re talking about can’t exist in Lebanon becasue it’s not just a difference in opinion, it’s a difference in ideologies and these two different ideologies can’t live together.

  We’re not talking about different religious views, or beliefs or small things like that, we’re talking about a country’s identity and there can’t be two opinions when it comes to that.

• 85. Tarek | September 7th, 2008 at 8:30 pm

  Freedom is earned not given. If you think that you can liberate Lebanon from the Syrians, Iranians and their militias without paying massive amount of lives as a tribute you are illusionist. Freedom’s price was always paid in heavy and I mean really heavy amount of blood. If the Lebanese aren’t willing to pay the price of freedom they will never have it.

• 86. sam | September 7th, 2008 at 8:35 pm

  mickel .. thank you for your respectful way of communication.. still,you are asking me to accept to divide lebanon.. please allow me not to accept that …
  lebanon will survive if it go back to its original identity.. in the middle.. wether it goes to the east or the west it will be led to a civil war… if HA push the country in a way they are leading us to disaster , if the others push to the west they are leading us to disaster too,,
  maximus.. am asking you to respect the diferences.. still you are not able too.. if each party insist on insulting the other parties simbols and believes we will reach no where but war… the israelies stoped calling HA as terrorists and you are insisting on calling 30 % of them this way.. you think it will be a good way if i call Bashir a criminal the way you are calling moghniye a terrorist? these two men are great symbols for the majority of lebanese each in his part .

  Moreover, if you stop prejudging me and attacking me and try to really read what am writting and go back to my writings ( example# 32) you will see that i do compare HA and ouwet…
  i dont know if you are living in lebanon or outside guys .. but if you are ever obliged to travel for work or to survive you will know how precious our country is and you will look into what combine us and not what seperate us…
  warm regards

• 87. Mickel | September 7th, 2008 at 9:08 pm

  Sam Lebanon can’t go back to its original identity because that didn’t work, neither did any of the other identities. Plus if you want Lebanon to go back to its original identity, that means having the Christians retake all the power and the muslims won’t accept that.

  And yes I do think that if the Lebanese can’t agree on Lebanon’s identity, then it should be divided — or we’ll be doomed to a never-ending conflict.

  And lek ya 7abibe, you can talk about hezbollah being good, and syria being good and all that crap you’ve saying, but comparing BASHIR to MOGHNIYYEH!!! is crossing the line. so watch what you’re saying. Moghniyye tainted our country’s reputation while BASHIR kept our country.
  That’s the stupidest most illogical and disrespectful comparison i’ve ever read. Moghniyyeh ma byeswa shrit sobbato l BAchir.

• 88. sam | September 8th, 2008 at 3:34 am

  mickel .. lebanon is made to stay … it is to big to be taken to small to be divided.. the life of the martyres that were given for lebanon will not go cheap…
  yalleh mich 3ajbo allah ma3o..
  a final advice, try to widen up your horizon.. your mind is to narrow…
  tarek.. 3amahlak 3a helak khaye.. do you really think if there is a new war in lebanon you will win this time? kaber 3aklak ya zalami
  regards

• 89. Mickel | September 8th, 2008 at 6:12 am

  “it is to big to be taken to small to be divided..” WAKE UP and cut that crap.

  If Lebanon is going to be a country where Imad Moghniyye and Samir Quntar are heroes, then I don’t want to be Lebanese.

• 90. Rima | September 9th, 2008 at 3:55 pm

  Mickel

  “If Lebanon is going to be a country where Imad Moghniyye and Samir Quntar are heroes, then I don’t want to be Lebanese.”

  You are speaking my mind

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