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• 1. Doccc1559 | January 9th, 2009 at 8:29 pm

  Hello,

  I am concerned about Israel’s use of SOPHISTICATED weaponry against soft targets in Gaza. If Israel is fearful of the ineffective home made rockets fired from Gaza,it should go after the source of those rockets,not the civilians.

  Attempts to destroy the structure of Islamic Gov of Hammas will only harden the elements in whitin it. The track records shows that Islamic forces will not surrender. Palestine is native land for the Palestenian ppl ,not an Israeli dream that goes back thousands of years !

  If Hamas weakens, Al Qaed** terrorist might gain a foothold in Gaza. The sitaution of the Palestinians is desperate.First, Israel turned the entire enclave into a concentration camp, and now F16 are being used to hit Police stations, gov buildings, UN shultters and innocent people. Israel has not learned from past experience. It destroyed Yasser arafat and found itself facing HAMAS. It destroyed the Lebanese resistance and found itself facing HEZBOLLA*. Israelis are BLIND in their own cause.

  Israel should resconsider the war on Gaza. Time will tell. And time will also prove my words. God willing….

  Peace is what Isreal and Hamas should be working on.

• 2. paul | January 9th, 2009 at 9:02 pm

  Doc.You should be worried about Hamas intentionally using civilians and places of business as decoys and traps for Israeli soldiers. It is now abundantly clear that Hamas’ strategy is to involve civilians in the conflict, then blame the Israeli army when the civilians are killed or injured

• 3. Doccc1559 | January 9th, 2009 at 9:36 pm

  Paul

  **Israel continues Gaza assault after rejecting UN demands for an “immediate ceasefire (aljazeera)

  This should tell you something! They are rejecting all kind of resolutions in order to stop the war on civilians.

  ** UN: IDF officers admitted Gaza school she_lling was by mistake (Haaretz.com)

  This should also convince you , paul. No explanation needed. Oopps? What should we call the fake Israeli video then????

  Buddy,The Gaza Strip has one of the highest overall growth rates and population densities in the world. The 2008 population was 1.5 millions, giving the region a population density of 4,270 persons per sq km ! So you tell me paul , how should Hamas fight in this case? Go up on the moon? What you dont seem to understand that Hamas has no place to go not a even a mountain to fire from.

• 4. Doccc1559 | January 9th, 2009 at 9:42 pm

  Paul

  Where should Hamas go?

• 5. ja3far | January 9th, 2009 at 9:48 pm

  Doc… u can add to the above a new massacre the UNRWA talked about today…the israeli asked the civilians to gather in a building in an area they got into , then later on they bombarded it killing 30 civilian…
  similar stories are being told by the red cross and UN … but then the israeli go blaming hamas,,,

  salam

• 6. Doccc1559 | January 9th, 2009 at 9:57 pm

  Ja3far

  Thank you. I am reading haaretz.com at this time.

  Fear has its use but cowardice has none…

  yalla.. I will talk to you latter bro.. Time to go to the gym , fim kam yehoude honik khaline ru7 zariklon

  hala2 awal ma chufon bade 2ilon : Is your brave airforce done killing kids?? looooool

• 7. Doccc1559 | January 9th, 2009 at 9:57 pm

  Ja3far

  Thank you. I am reading haaretz.com at this time.

  Fear has its use but cowardice has none…

  yalla.. I will talk to you latter bro.. Time to go to the gym , fim kam yehoude honik khaline ru7 zariklon

  hala2 awal ma chufon bade 2ilon : Is your brave airforce done kill*ng kids?? looooool

• 8. Fuziyad | January 9th, 2009 at 10:11 pm

  ya 3alé, hamas also rejected the UN resolution…they are just the same crap both of them…

• 9. paul | January 9th, 2009 at 10:32 pm

  Doc,where should israel go ?

  fuziyad has well answer,and we should not make the palestinian case to our case.

  bikaffina mashekilna.

• 10. ja3far | January 9th, 2009 at 10:43 pm

  paul… we cannot get out of the palestinian case … we are involved wether we like it or not.. and we both know that…
  no body is against the jews living in israel or palestine.. we are against them living in place of others… the day they chnage the status of israel form a jewish racist country to a country that is opened to both the old and the new citisins they will survive.. other wise, they should know very well that the arabs can handle to loose 20 war if you want, but if israel loose one war against them .. it is their end … so they are the one who should be looking for peace… do you think the people of palestine will forgive what is happening to them today ?

  and for your and fuziad information, hamas didnt reject the resolution.. they said it doesnt meet there hopes…

  you should have listened to the president of the human rights on NTV now…

  salam

• 11. Fuziyad | January 9th, 2009 at 11:11 pm

  Paul by both the same crap, I meant Israel and hamas, not israel and the palestinians, I’ll never put the occupier and the victim on same level.

  Ja3far, mnen jebta hay? hamas did refuse the resolution

  btw what’s yr opinion on this katyusha from the south issue…who you think did it?

• 12. ja3far | January 9th, 2009 at 11:22 pm

  Fuziad… as i told u, hamas did not refuse it…they said they are not concerned about the decision as no one talked to them about it and it doesnt meet the palestinians people hope; i think anyones concern is a cease fire and the siege to be lifted …

  regarding the south .. it seems al mustaqbal news paper found jibril as the guilty today;)

  for me.. the picture is not clear yet … honestly … bass allah yesstor

• 13. paul | January 9th, 2009 at 11:33 pm

  ja3far,I think we can,and i see no reason to be involved in this conflict,at least as long as the Palestinenser do not know what they really want .Faqt7 and Hamas.

  I will be honest,Hamas will transform
  Palestine to a conservative Islamic state and arafat fought for a multi religious palestine.

  dont feel offended but a liberal Jewish state .is for me 1000x better than a little
  Hamasstan.
  I dont hear no more what these human rights activists say,where were these hypocrites as Hamas the own people killed and crossed without mercy.

  Hamas is for me as a Christian a nightmare, w7aje ba2a lmasi7iye yitkhabbo wara 2isba3on.

  salam 3ala man you7ib al salam.

• 14. ja3far | January 9th, 2009 at 11:45 pm

  Paul… i dont want a hamastan neither…sunni extremists can be a nightmare for me too
  bas if the people of palestian were jewish and it happened to them what is happening to the palestinians for the last 60 years i would stand with them … what is happening is a disgrace for humanity in the 21 century…
  and i didnt say we should get involved in the conflict.. i said we cannot get out of it, because we are in the middle whether we like it or not since the day the plestinians refugee ran to our country…

  wnihna min heeb al salem khaye paul.. taweel bilak

• 15. ja3far | January 9th, 2009 at 11:48 pm

  Paul… i dont want a ha-ma-st-an neither…su-nni extre-mi-sts can be a nightmare for me too
  bas if the people of palestian were je-wish and it happ-ened to them what is happening to the pa-lesti-nians for the last 60 years i would stand with them … what is happening is a dis-gra-ce for humanity in the 21 century…
  and i didnt say we should get involved in the co-nfli-ct.. i said we cannot get out of it, because we are in the middle whether we like it or not since the day the ple-sti-ni-ans refu-gee ran to our country…

  wnihna min he-eb al sa-lem kha-ye paul.. taweel bilak

• 16. paul | January 9th, 2009 at 11:59 pm

  ja3far,sara7a khalle l falastiniye yidmano 72ou2 lmasi7iye min doun restriction,wmin doun tbi3wous,ma32oul yi3ne bibalad wilid fiya lmasi7 badna ndallna nbawwis 2iden?
  manno ta3assoub, bass fi chi 2ismo karameh w2iradeh.

  ba3den bele battal yitwal sirt meche wjaarro waraye

• 17. paul | January 10th, 2009 at 12:00 am

  intersting to read from Der Spiegel.

  GAZA NEGOTIATIONS
  The Internal Divisions of Hamas
  By Volkhard Windfuhr in Cairo

  The Egyptian-French cease-fire proposal for the Gaza Strip remains on the table. Hamas, though, is divided. One camp is calling for a decisive battle while others continue to negotiate. And it remains uncertain which side will prevail.

  It was a minor scene that took place on Thursday in the heart of Gaza City. But it was a noteworthy one. In front of a closed chicken restaurant not far from the empty culture center, masked men in uniforms were handing out inspirational flyers. “No Peace with the Murderers of our Children,” reads one. Another says, “Resist to the Death, Allah Is with You.”

  DPA
  A Palestinian woman confronts two Israeli soldiers during a protest in the West Bank town of Billin.
  But very few passers-by took one of the leaflets. The humanitarian situation in the Gaza Strip, which becomes worse by the day, seemed on Thursday not to be driving Palestinians into the arms of the fanatical Hamas propagandists. “Why are you handing out paper instead of bread,” a mother with her two daughters called out and hurries on.

  For 14 days, Israeli bombs have been falling on the Gaza Strip — over 700 Palestinians, many of them civilians, have already lost their lives. The Palestinians are just as tired of this war as the Israelis are. If Hamas thought they could unleash a popular uprising, they seem to have erred.

  But scenes like the one above, described by a Gaza Strip resident over the phone, is just one element of a reality that is becoming ever clearer. And it is a reality that has relevance to international efforts currently being made to establish a cease-fire in the Middle East: Hamas is currently unable to speak with a single voice.

  REPRINTS
  Find out how you can reprint this SPIEGEL ONLINE article in your publication. Just how divided the radical Palestinian group is has become clear during the cease-fire negotiations currently taking place in Cairo. Khaled Meshaal, the head of the militant wing of Hamas who lives in Damascus, sent a number of prominent functionaries to Egypt on Tuesday to look into the possibility of Cairo playing the role of intermediary. The so-called Cairo Initiative, aimed at putting a stop to the ongoing bloodbath and addressing the roots of the problem, has now grown into a promising attempt to quickly put an end to the violence.

  Yet even within the Hamas delegation, there are conflicting views as to the negotiating path the group should follow. Given the disagreement, it is hardly a surprise that the signals sent by Hamas on Thursday were unclear.

  Muhammad Nasr, a native of Hebron who has long been a prominent political advisor to Meshaal and belongs to the Hamas politburo, spoke for several hours with Omar Suleiman, head of Egyptian intelligence and potential successor to President Hosni Mubarak. The discussion focused on the conditions Hamas would have to fulfil before the Egyptian plan could be successful.

  But hardliner Nasr refused to budge. Hamas, he insisted, has to be allowed control over the Palestinian-Egyptian border and cannot be forced to recognize Israel, not even indirectly.

  PHOTO GALLERY: HOPES FOR PEACE IN THE MIDDLE EAST
  Click on a picture to launch the image gallery (19 Photos)

  With those positions, though, he stands in direct contradiction to central pillars foreseen by the Cairo Initiative. In addition to an immediate cease-fire and withdrawal of the Israeli army, Hamas would be required to permanently cease firing rockets across the border from the Gaza Strip into Israel. In addition, responsibility for monitoring the border between the Gaza Strip and Egypt would be returned to the Palestinian Authority, the internationally recognized Palestinian leadership which controls the West Bank. Hamas and the Palestinian Authority, headed up by Palestinian President Mahmoud Abbas, have been at odds since Hamas seized control of the Gaza Strip in the summer of 2007.

  Even the demand — already discussed in detail — foreseeing Arab and European observers stationed along the Gaza Strip border has proven difficult for Hamas politicians to accept. Should such a border observer mission be granted a robust mandate, it would almost certainly mean that the tunnels under the border — which, in addition to foodstuffs and medicine, also transport smuggled weapons — would be closed.

  Other Hamas negotiators, though, like Imad al-Alami, who accompanied Nasr to Cairo, have proven more conciliatory. Al-Alami, known as “the philosopher,” didn’t reject outright the Egyptian proposals. Instead, he promised that he would return to the negotiating table with counter-proposals.

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  Photo Gallery: Gaza Violence Continues Amid Peace Hopes
  Tel Aviv, Israel’s Metropolis: The Eye of the Storm (01/06/2009)
  SPIEGEL Interview with Boutros Boutros-Ghali: ‘Israel Has a Habit of Closing its Eyes to Hard Facts’ (01/05/2009)
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  Interview with Former Fatah Security Chief: Hamas’s ‘Sole Strategy is Destruction and Chaos’ (01/05/2009)
  Operation High Risk: Is Israel Repeating Mistakes of the Past? (12/31/2008)Patience is wearing thin at Hamas headquarters in Damascus. But at the same time, numerous Hamas activists who came to Cairo from the Gaza Strip have long become convinced of the necessity of Egyptian mediation. A single Hamas position, though, has yet to materialize.

  Given this lack of unity, Thursday’s rejection of the Egypt-led peace plan by the coalition of radical Palestinian groups based in Damascus — to which Hamas also belongs — is not seen as its final word. The coalition’s rejection, say observers, is likely due to pressure exerted by Syria, which was not thrilled about the decision of the Hamas politicians to visit Cairo without the blessing of Damascus.

  On Thursday, it was difficult to forecast which of the camps would ultimately win out. But dragging out the talks would likely play into the hands of the moderates. The hardliners, it would seem, have overplayed their hand. It has become increasingly clear to them that no Arab state is willing to go to war for the Gaza Strip — and furthermore, that no Arab country is willing to withdraw the Arab peace plan — originally conceived in 2002 and approved by Arab states in 2007 — which calls for a formal recognition of Israel.

  Hamas, it would seem, isn’t the only group that has misjudged the situation. The Hezbollah-sponsored television station al-Manar, based in Beirut, has called on the demoralized citizens of the Gaza Strip to fight “till the end” and not give up. Likewise, the channel has broadcasted interviews with well-chosen guests warning about “traitors in our ranks” and threatening “Arab partisans of Israel.” The public response, though, is not what the station had hoped for.

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  Radicals had also envisioned Katyusha rockets being fired from southern Lebanon into Israel as the trigger for a broad alliance between Palestinian Sunnis and Lebanese Shiites. So far, though, such a coalition has yet to materialize.

  Behind the scenes, there has been some movement. A number of old Palestinian hands have begun a broad campaign in support of the Cairo Initiative — a plan not unlike that suggested by French President Nicolas Sarkozy.

  Said Kamal is one of those. Kamal spent many years in Cairo as the representative of legendary Palestinian leader Yasser Arafat and was formerly deputy secretary-general of the Arab League. On Tuesday, Kamal was invited onto a talk show broadcast by the Lebanese television channel al-Quds, where he encouraged the Palestinians to take advantage of the Egyptian plan. “There is nothing better for us in sight and, in any case, everything is open to negotiation,” he said. “There is no way around negotiating.” Al-Quds, it should be noted, is sometimes called “Hamas TV” in Lebanon.

  Given these developments, it seems that Hamas leadership will ultimately be left with little room to maneuver. Egypt, after all, is the only Arab country bordering the Gaza Strip. It should be clear to even the hardliners and the die-hard opponents of the Cairo Initiative that, in the end, all roads lead to Cairo.

• 18. ja3far | January 10th, 2009 at 12:15 am

  Paul .. am sure biytla3e min be-lak akt-ar min he-ek … ma ilna ila ba3ed ek-her shi … isa ma teh-a-ma-lna ba3ed ma hada bi yeh-me-lna… la al kh-aye, la al jar wa la al gha-reeb sah?;)

  u know the christians were living very well in beit la-hem and al qud-ou-ss and palestian in general … till israel came and since then their number is de-crea-sing in a scary way… there is plenty of report about it,,,

  i will read the article u posted tomorrow at work brake

  good night ya sahbi … wma tin-sa te-ta-wel bi-lak

• 19. Amir in Tel Aviv | January 10th, 2009 at 1:54 am

  I didn’t see demonstrations in the Arab streets
  when nearly 1000 Israelis (young, old, women,
  children) were blown to tiny pieces in buses
  cafes and shopping malls, by suicidal jihadists .
  So, don’t cry for me. And I’m not crying for you.

  Just as Israel won the suiciders war, it will win
  the stupid rockets war.

• 20. Patrick | January 10th, 2009 at 3:15 am

  ja3far,

  last week hamas official mahmud al-zahrar was on al-aqsa tv saying, “the israeli operation in gaza justifies muslims murdering jewish children worldwide.”

  what do you think about that?

• 21. retire05 | January 10th, 2009 at 4:33 am

  I am constantly amazed that the very people who should understand the strong arm of radical Islam, do not.

  Would you allow me to stand outside your home and fire on you, day after day, and not retaliate? Would you allow me to send a suicide bomber into your neighborhood, killing women and children in market places, and not do anything about it?

  And do you not realize where Hamas origniated? That it is a fraction of the Muslim Brotherhood? Yes, the Muslim Brotherhood whose most infamous alumii is al Zawahiri, Osama bin Laden’s right hand man. That Hamas’ constitution states clearly the destruction of Israel?

  Hamas cries over the lack of food, yet they destroyed 3,000 greenhouses given to them by $14 million worth of donations from Americans and yes, Israelis. The same greenhouses that produced 75% of all fruits and vegetables for Isreal and provided jobs and a $75 million/year income. Gone, tore down. Destroyed.

  And why can’t Palestine get food from through the Egyptian border (11km) or from their sea border? Why is that nation such a mess? Where is all the money that was given to them by the US? If Hamas can smuggle rockets are you telling me they can’t smuggle food?

  One other thing; perhaps when you are accepting the propaganda that is coming from Hamas, you would be well served to remember the Hezbollah guy called Green Helmut Guy who paraded the same dead child around, even orchestrating the photo-ops for maximum propaganda.

  There is no peace with radical Islam. None. Until they love their children more than they hate the Jews and Americans.

  Take a look a Norway and the riots going on there. Explain to me why 1,000 Muslims attacked 500 Norweigans who were carrying signs in support of Israel. They threw molotof cocktains at the Israel supporters. They came with knives. And the police arrested at least 24 Muslims. Watch the YouTube video of a Muslim woman in Fort Lauderdale, Florida telling Jewish residents to “go back to the ovens”.

  Now, explain to me why I should have sympathy for any radical Muslim group.

• 22. Delta | January 10th, 2009 at 6:10 am

  ya alla i only looked at the pictures of the young casualties wlak allaykassir idan ili wassal hal wled la hal wade3 ya haram bass

• 23. Leb Pride | January 10th, 2009 at 8:35 am

  for the ppl who r saying that Hamas r innocent and they wouldn’t kil their ppl I say that a good freaking good look at this video. They r killing their own ppl. Bunch of f*ing murderes!!

  http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=a5e_1231434273

• 24. Leb Pride | January 10th, 2009 at 8:44 am

  Ja3foura and Docci ya sanafir ento rou7o balto el ba7er. Wake up and smell the roses. Read this article lets see what bs wil u come up next!

  Hamas admits it uses children as human shields for terrorists

  Hamas admits to using human shields, fostering ‘death culture’

  A Hamas member of the Palestinian parliament admitted in a recent televised address that his group makes regular use of willing Arab civilian human shields in its battle against Israel.

  Speaking on Hamas-owned Al-Aqsa television two weeks ago, Fathi Hammad further noted that Hamas is fostering a “culture of death” among More.. the Palestinians, and that this initiative is being eagerly adopted by Palestinian women and children, especially.

  “For the Palestinian people, death has become an industry,” said Hammad. The Palestinians are “saying to the Zionist enemy: ‘We desire death like you desire life.’”

  Those remarks were made just days before Israel launched a bruising military incursion into northern Gaza in response to escalating Palestinian rocket attacks on southern Israel. More than 100 Palestinians were killed during the operation, most of them armed terrorists.

  Nevertheless, the same Hamas leaders who earlier boasted that the Palestinians aspire to a violent death used the occasion to shed crocodile tears over what they called an “Israeli massacre.” Most of the international community parroted the Hamas line and roundly condemned Israel.

• 25. elie | January 10th, 2009 at 10:10 am

  A Brave Lebanese lady speaking up.

  a must see

  http://multimedia.heritage.org/content/wm/Lehrman-092706a.wvx

• 26. ja3far | January 10th, 2009 at 10:34 am

  John Ging, responsable de l’ONU à Gaza
  “Peu de gens en dehors de Gaza mesurent l’horreur de la situation”
  LEMONDE.FR | 07.01.09 | 20h14 • Mis à jour le 09.01.09 | 11h29

  John Ging est responsable des opérations de l’UNRWA (agence de l’ONU chargée des réfugiés palestiniens) à Gaza depuis trois ans. Pour les victimes du bombardement mardi d’une école gérée par l’ONU, comme pour l’ensemble des victimes civiles de ce conflit, il espère qu’une enquête indépendante permettra d’établir les responsabilités.

  Pouvez-vous décrire la situation à Gaza ?
  La situation est atroce. Les habitants viennent de vivre douze jours de bombardements incessants. Personne n’est en sécurité, nulle part. Plus de 600 personnes sont mortes et 3 000 ont été blessées, et ça continue. Sans compter que la population manque de tous les produits de première nécessité, comme la nourriture ou l’eau. Les hôpitaux sont débordés, les médicaments manquent. La situation est vraiment désespérée. Mais les gens font preuve d’une grande dignité dans une situation des plus indignes.
  Israël a commencé mercredi à ouvrir des corridors humanitaires trois heures par jour. Cela a-t-il amélioré la situation ?
  Les points de passage étaient ouverts aujourd’hui comme ils l’étaient hier et avant-hier. Ce qui a changé, c’est qu’ils ont interrompu leurs opérations militaires pendant trois heures, pour permettre aux gens de sortir de leurs maisons chercher de l’eau et de la nourriture.
  Cela ne vous a donc pas permis de répondre aux besoins les plus urgents de la population?
  Notre travail ici n’a pas cessé pendant les bombardements. Mais que voulez-vous faire en si peu de temps ? Nous avons donc trois heures pour faire ce qui nous prend normalement douze heures par jour, six jours par semaine, et que nous n’avons pu faire depuis douze jours. Les camions qui acheminent les biens de première nécessité doivent être chargés, conduits, déchargés… Pour faire venir ces camions à Gaza aujourd’hui nous avons commencé à 7 heures du matin, et l’opération vient seulement de finir ce soir, douze heures plus tard. C’est une opération logistique très importante. Il ne faut pas se laisser distraire par ce joli mot de “corridor”, ces belles images de convois, ce n’est pas ainsi que cela se passe. Les soldats israéliens arrêtent leurs opérations pendant trois heures, c’est tout, rien de plus.

  Un communiqué de votre agence rapporte les propos de médecins selon lesquels 50 % des blessés depuis le début du conflit sont des civils. Confirmez-vous ce chiffre ?
  Je ne peux pas confirmer les chiffres avancés. Il faudra mener une enquête indépendante pour établir les faits, puis nous aurons les bilans exacts. Mais il est évident que beaucoup de civils sont tués à l’heure qu’il est. Il faudra que les responsabilités soient établies, parce que si la guerre n’est pas régulée par la loi, comme le détermine la convention de Genève, c’est la loi du fusil, et ça c’est la manière dont les extrémistes et les terroristes mènent leurs opérations. Nous devons donc nous assurer que même en temps de guerre la loi est respectée. La loi dit que les civils doivent être protégés. S’ils meurent, c’est qu’il y a un problème. Il faudra déterminer qui en porte la responsabilité.
  Vous avez demandé l’ouverture d’une enquête internationale après le bombardement d’une école gérée par l’ONU. Que s’est-il passé exactement ?
  Il y avait 350 familles de réfugiés à l’intérieur, et des tirs tout autour de l’école. Quarante personnes ont trouvé la mort, cinquante-cinq ont été blessées, presque exclusivement des civils. Il faut déterminer ce qui s’est passé. Israël affirme que des militants tiraient depuis l’école. Mais nous, aux Nations unies, sommes convaincus que ce n’est pas le cas car ces écoles sont sous notre contrôle. Notre personnel est chargé de vérifier qu’aucun combattant ne s’y abrite et qu’il n’y a aucun tir depuis l’école. Je fais confiance à notre personnel, mais si ceux qui nous accusent ont des preuves de ce qu’ils avancent, qu’ils les montrent et nous agirons en conséquence.

  Israël va dépêcher jeudi un émissaire au Caire pour discuter d’une trêve des combats. Un cessez-le-feu vous paraît-il possible dans les jours qui viennent ?
  Nous devons garder espoir qu’il interviendra le plus tôt possible. Le problème, c’est que peu de gens en dehors de Gaza mesurent l’horreur de la situation ici. Vu de l’extérieur, il peut sembler raisonnable d’attendre deux ou trois jours de plus, mais ici, des gens meurent pour rien toutes les heures. Puisque nous savons que tout cela aura une conclusion politique, et non militaire, pourquoi ne pas cesser les violences immédiatement ?

• 27. ja3far | January 10th, 2009 at 10:46 am

  Patrick… were have you been ? i was planning to write a comment attacking the USA to get you back here

  to tell you the truth , i didnt hear Zahar on the tv. and i dont know in which context his speach was… but i dont think anything justify killing children around the world… what you are saying is crazy…

  however, i am not surprised if zahar got crazy after seeing what the israeli war machine is doing to the people in gaza .. i am surprised your people are not saying a word about the cluster and phosphoric bombs used in such a high scale…even if there is a seize fire there today.. with the number of cluster bombs thrown and the density of population in gaza, we will be hearing lots of sad stories in the future…
  and then they do wonder why palestinians go attack the israelies… so crazy…

  and when i think the israelies cannot become more barbarians they keep surprising me ..

  salam

• 28. Leb Pride | January 10th, 2009 at 10:56 am

  ja3fouri u wanna see barbaric acts go watch the video I posted…I wanna hear opinion on killing innocent ppl just coz they r playing songs on their wedding. Sickings really! Ur defending those scums? tfooo 3alek!! ste7e 3ala damak ba2a. Stop being pathetic brainwashed fool!

• 29. Darko | January 10th, 2009 at 11:24 am

  Ya paul zikartini bi masra7yt nazl lsourour, sar 3mra shi 30 sini w 2isehoun lmas7yeh 5ayefin mn lma7moudet, leish l2islem mas7yeh shi? Midri hal shi bibaki am bida7ik

• 30. Darko | January 10th, 2009 at 11:30 am

  And btw, hamas had christians candidates in the elections not to mention that israel has banished many chris

• 31. paul | January 10th, 2009 at 12:43 pm

  Darko,akid bibakke.

  Ziad 7ike 3an libnen mich 3an hamasstan.

  lak hinne l2islem 3am yihirbo minoun fa kif lmasi7iye.

• 32. Amir in Tel Aviv | January 10th, 2009 at 1:27 pm

  And BTW…

  Could someone stop this annoying snow falling
  in this site?
  Or we have to suffer this snow until.. say.. April?
  .

• 33. Patrick | January 10th, 2009 at 1:38 pm

  ja3far,

  what phosphoric bombs?

• 34. ja3far | January 10th, 2009 at 2:13 pm

  Patric… i ment phosphorus bombs..( my english is bad as u know ) the same one they admitted using against lebanese in the last war …
  haaretz.com/hasen/spages/777549.html
  of course for them we are all military targets.. same as the civilians in the UN school were military target…
  they have left 4 million cluster bombs behind them after the 2006 war in lebanon … how many you think they will leave behind in gaza?

• 35. Patrick | January 10th, 2009 at 2:17 pm

  ja3far,

  i wasn’t correcting your english. my answer is the same:

  what phosphorous bombs?

• 36. ja3far | January 10th, 2009 at 2:58 pm

  patrick.. i didnt understand what you mean ? is your point is that isreal is not using them or you want a definition of what is a phosphorous bomb?
  if u mean that they are not using it … read the attached subject
  timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/middle_east/article5447590.ece
  if you want to say that it is used as a screen weapon making smoke, then you are playing around with me because i have seen people getting burned from this weapon in 2006 war… and i dont believe that in a condensed area like gaza you are not burning people with it…

  then you didnt answer my question about the cluster bombs… at least in 2006 war we heard few congress men in the US condemning using such illegal weapons in lebanon… what will be the long term effects of having these bobs every where in a small condensed area like gaza?

  it is nice to look at an F16 or to watch it flying .. but you will never understand how does it feel to be the target…

  the israeli war army think it is honorable to bomb people in a prison camp? the israeli regime and your supporting government will be cursed till eternity…

• 37. Patrick | January 10th, 2009 at 3:07 pm

  ja3far,

  i don’t know, i think this is just one more arab conspiracy theory to add to the list. akeed we would never sell phosphorous bombs to israel

• 38. F.A | January 10th, 2009 at 5:16 pm

  patrick,
  do u sell guns?

• 39. ja3far | January 10th, 2009 at 5:34 pm

  patrick.. it seems it is an israeli conspiracy theory against you this time… did you forget the link i gave u from haaretz?
  haaretz.com/hasen/spages/777549.html

• 40. Delta | January 10th, 2009 at 5:49 pm

  Doc
  maybe you wanna watch the link posted by elie its #25

• 41. ja3far | January 10th, 2009 at 6:41 pm

  Delta… elie… do u really think the same way this woman think ?
  am shocked !!!

• 42. Fuziyad | January 10th, 2009 at 7:31 pm

  ha ha brigitte gabriel!!!#25
  more funny than anything else, she’s out of her mind. She needs to find herself a boyfriend…

• 43. ja3far | January 10th, 2009 at 7:38 pm

  Fuziad… am under shock since more then an hour now!!! is there christians in lebanon who still think like that??? no wonder i got all type of insults here
  man tell me something!!! please tell me not many christian think like that …

• 44. Fuziyad | January 10th, 2009 at 8:33 pm

  Ja3far…she’s a caricature…however you could find christian lebanese agreeing with some of what she said. Still most of her talk is clearly more influnced by the rest of her life in israel and america than in lebanon. The part on lebanon is badly informed to say the least and full of lies but the rest is more sick…she even attacked the afro american muslims!!!LOL

• 45. Doccc1559 | January 10th, 2009 at 8:43 pm

  Delta

  What about brigitte? This is not something new coming out of her mouth. She is full of condritiction as well. Her hatred speech is simply against the American standard way of living(also against the constitution) This is America ya delta where Christian/Muslim/JOOOOZ/buddhist believers and all other secs are living in peace.
  To all Muslims americans here, this is the website you can visit in case you have a complaint :

  http://www.cair.com

  Delta,I am so happy we(not me personaly) voted her McCain out remember when you told me he was going to win it all ?????? Thank god he lost!

  Ps : CAIR backs Fatwa against Terr*rism. English, Arabic, Urdu radio anti-terror PSAs released (Washington, D.C., 7/28/05) – The Council on American-Islamic Relations (CAIR) today offered its support for a fatwa, or Islamic religious ruling, against terrori*m and extre*ism issued by the Fiqh Council of North America (FCNA) and endorsed by more than 120 U.S. Muslim groups, leaders and institutions..

• 46. Patrick | January 10th, 2009 at 9:05 pm

  brigitte is right in all what she said…

• 47. ja3far | January 10th, 2009 at 9:07 pm

  of course she does patrick .. that shows how much you know
  god bless her and bless america…

• 48. ja3far | January 10th, 2009 at 9:08 pm

  i forgot israel … and bless israel

• 49. paul | January 10th, 2009 at 9:12 pm

  Darko@30,you mean 3azmi bshara?

• 50. Patrick | January 10th, 2009 at 9:22 pm

  ja3far,

  finally you came to see the light. man it took you a while ;p

• 51. ja3far | January 10th, 2009 at 9:25 pm

  Patrick…
  you are my guardian angel … god bless you too

• 52. Doccc1559 | January 10th, 2009 at 9:40 pm

  Ja3far

  No, only few lebanese christians think her way and most of them are living aboard. Leb Christians are ” AKBAR MIN HEK” to go down to her level.

  Brigitte is considered ” MASI77IYIN MUTASSAHYININ”, in other words, the christians themselves are agaisnt those”MASI77IYIN MUTASSAHYININ”.

  Last week, a freind of mine invited me to his church , and walla ya ja3far, they had a speaker who wanted to go the same way brigitte went.. 3la al sari3 they asked the guy to stop!

  FYI , brigitte is an active zionist .

  And N10452

  Plz clear my 45 for MR.delta..

• 53. Doccc1559 | January 10th, 2009 at 9:50 pm

  Ja3far

  Even the UJC ( united jewish communities ) are agaisnt this crazy zionist brigitte .

  http://www.israelenews.com/view.asp?ID=1012

  khaye, let her talk … Cair.com is always there for ppl like here !

• 54. Doccc1559 | January 10th, 2009 at 9:53 pm

  Ja3far

  Even the UJC ( united jewish communities ) are agaisnt this crazy zionist brigitte
  Israelenews.com/view.asp?Id=1012

  khaye, let her talk … Cair.com is always there for ppl like her !

  li mitla hayeton sa3beh ya khaye ja3far ! ekhritun ” 2ila mazbalat al tarikh” ..

  Again, she is an active zio*ist propa*andist.

• 55. F.A | January 10th, 2009 at 9:55 pm

  A question to Doc,

  Are u realy a doctor? because I see u posting many times here, seems that u can spend more time than a doctor can.
  Anyway, I am not saying it to judje u, just was curious…

• 56. Doccc1559 | January 10th, 2009 at 9:56 pm

  Ja3far

  Lets stop talking about here, ma ta3tiya aktar min 7ajma..

  7ajma : Old sirmeye.

• 57. Doccc1559 | January 10th, 2009 at 10:02 pm

  F.A

  I am not a doc yet and might never get there. I am only a medical student at this time..

  Dude, !! What are you talking about??? I barley post here.. Ppl think I run away from them.. lool ..sometimes I go days without posting … It just happen to have a few days off and this is the only reason you’re seeing me around..

  Tajke care

• 58. ja3far | January 10th, 2009 at 10:14 pm

  Doc…i know her and her history; she used to work with ME television… the thing is she still saying the propaganda of the extrimists in the 70s…

  her stories can work in helping the zionist propaganda with the right extremists in the states, … but my surprise was that some lebanese her are marketing her ideas as reality…amasing how some people in lebanon may go till the states but still dont know what is happening outside their village in the lebanese mountain…

  man !!!! some people dont want to learn…
  salam

• 59. Cartman | January 10th, 2009 at 11:02 pm

  Salam ya awedem,
  wow it’s been a minute but i guss didn’t miss much.
  nafs trabeen el 7aba2 debating w nafs el matarees w nafs el 7adees.
  w de2 elmay heye may.

• 60. Cartman | January 10th, 2009 at 11:22 pm

  You know, I was just thinking, all that talk about Arab dictators and rulers and undemocratic governments in the Arab world and how they don’t represent the will of the people and how they manipulate voting elections …may not be true after all.

  I mean if you take for example the people participating in this blog, you guys are a small sample of the Lebanese and Arab society, if we assume that this sample of people proportionally represent a country let’s say like egypt, then based on what I read on this blog, Mr. 7osni will be your candidates of choice if you were Egyptian , and again based on the opinions I read , if you were Jordanians you’ll not want any one but King Abdullah to be your ruler forever, after all he speaks better English than Arabic and he is America’s best friend. If you can vote in Palestine Abo Mazen will absolutely win your vote, over and over.
  So I can safely say that, there is a very good chance that these countries are actually democratic and people are simply speaking their minds freely just like you are here.

  Freaking scaaaaaaaaaaaaary!!!!!!!!!!

• 61. Rima | January 10th, 2009 at 11:29 pm

  F.A.

  Being a doctor or a medcal student does not make someone different or necessarily busier than other human beings. Just I don’t get this remark about Doc!!!!

  Don’t get me wrong, I am totally oposed to his political ideas but most people who post on political blogs do it because they want to voice their opinions to wider public and as a form of electronic political activism.

  Thanks

• 62. paul | January 10th, 2009 at 11:56 pm

  23:17 لماذا تشعر المرأة بالبرد اكثر من الرجل؟ تتمة
  23:06 عدد شهداء العدوان الإسرائيلي وصل الى 854 شهيداً
  22:42 غارة إسرائيلية على منزل في مخيم نصيرات للاجئين وسط قطاع غزة وأنباء عن إصابات
  22:38 ابو الغيط: لن نقبل بقوات دولية على جانبنا من الحدود
  21:59 خالد مشعل (رئيس المكتب السياسي لحركة حماس):
  - على الضفّة أن تنتفض والمطلوب أكثر
  - نحن اليوم نعيش المعركة الأصعب في غزة عسكرياً تتمة
  21:54 خالد مشعل:
  - لا مفاوضات قبل وقف العدوان ووقف الحصار
  - لن نقبل بقوات دولية تحمي الإحتلال وتضرب المقاومة تتمة
  21:49 خالد مشعل:
  - إسرائيل فشلت فشلاً ذريعاً على الصعيد العسكري في غزة
  - شعوبنا كفرت بالتسوية، ولا مستقبل لدولة إسرائيل تتمة
  20:48 سرايا القدس تعرض غنائمها من الاحتلال تتمة
  19:40 831 شهيداً بينهم 235 طفلاً و93 إمرأة و60 مسنّاً واكثر من 3500 جريح في العدوان على غزة
  ————————————————-
  23:17 A barbaric act

• 63. paul | January 11th, 2009 at 12:13 am

  Cartman

  there is more than 1 minute between 11:02-11:22.

  do you live in a matrix ?

• 64. Rima | January 11th, 2009 at 12:56 am

  Fuziad

  What is wrong with most of what Brigitt said?

  Let’s say her personal experinece is out of question coz we don’t know what happened to her exactely? But many Christian from the South suffered like shiaa from Palestinians?
  Don’t we all agree that people in Lebanon are always ready to cheat or rip yu off? Don’t yu all agree that our society is merciless? Can you imagine how a Jewish lady would be treated in an Arab Hospital?!!!!!

  Why no one hate King Hussein for what he did to Palestinains? I don’t blame him but Is that coz Israelis are jews while Hussein is a Muslim descendant of the Prophet…So it is ok for Muslims to kill Muslims but not for Jews!

  Aren’t we all agree with her that Islamic radicalism is dangerous?

  We ran away from North Lebanon because of this holy combination between bitter Muslims and Palestinians.( I don’t think Shia were involved at that time.)

  Fuziad I am disappointed by your se*ist comment on Brigitt finding a husband. I thought only uneducated people would say it. It seems like it is hard for Arab/Lebanese men to overcome their chauvinism!!!!!

• 65. Patrick | January 11th, 2009 at 2:51 am

  Doc,

  are you that clueless? think what you want about brigitte (i think she’s terrific, but think what you want…), but CAIR is part of alikhwaan almuslimun/hamas in america, and they want to see sharia law replace the constitution one day. why don’t you read up on them at http://www.anti-cair-net.org/

• 66. Cartman | January 11th, 2009 at 4:15 am

  Paul,

  it’s a little weirder than that.
  by that “minute” i meant 2 MONTHS, yes the 2 months i have not been on this site.
  no i don’t live in a matrix but i had a couple of African American friends in college and that’s how they speak i caught it from them. it’s like a slang. they would go away for a 2 week vacation and come back saying, YEAH MAAAN I WAS GONE FOR A MINUTE.

  i know…what the f**k?!

• 67. Free Palestine | January 11th, 2009 at 5:40 am

  Doc & Ja3far

  We appreciate you so much. May Allah bless your heart.

• 68. Fuziyad | January 11th, 2009 at 6:40 am

  Sett Rima….most of what brigitte has said is wrong…

  First of all when it comes to lebanon she just described things not as they were. You can be as much anti palestinian as you want but what she said about south lebanon is just lies. Killing on the hawiyyé by the palestinians in 1974 as she said is a LIE…factually it’s a lie…

  Then she spends her time saying that the islamist wanted to kill christians, really??? fatah islamist??? call them whatever u want but plse let’s keep realistic…islamist?? they wanted to kill christians because the coran told them to do so???seriously?? hay hiyé 7arb lebnen????good brigitte came to enlighten us…wawwwwwwwwwwww.as far as am concerned the issues were far more complicated..but well…that old grumpy lady is going to teach me history…

  then comes all her bla bla about how human the israelies are…human?? is that what they showed in lebanon or in palestine?? stick to facts whatever the hatred u may have to HA or to the palestinians but israel compassionate???come on let’s be serious….

  Then when she attacks the muslims all over the world…I agree with her that anytime there is terror attacks in the name of islam there is a lack of reaction from muslims all over the world…that disapoints me too but concluding that it means that most muslims cover up for it is just wrong…she said that in her and her friends associations there was no muslims at all which prooves that fact! plse go to her website…just full of hatred and leaves no room to any moderate to fit in….

  moderates are moderates if they are christian, muslim or jewish(is there some left???). If moderate christians consider her as wrong u want moderate muslims to support her??? they won’t and that’s just normal…

  Last but not least the attitude and behavior of that thing shows she’s sick….look at her during the interview..she keeps shouting…whatever what the question is she just starts screaming…and always the same song…she just reminds me of her muslim equivalents, hassouna or one of tethir ni3 disciples…

  Finally I just insist that anyone here who might have appreciated the content of what she said should at least admit she’s exagerating and admit she’s pushing it….

  PS: Patrick, she repeatedly insulted yr (CIA) allies in ksa, are u fine with that? do the neo con agree or is that old frustrated women going too far?

• 69. Fuziyad | January 11th, 2009 at 6:46 am

  Rima, haden’t read yr last part about me being sexist with that women…

  Well that has nothing sexist…to me she just looks and sound sick and sticking to the basis of psycholgy I suggested it might be due to sexual frustration….would have just thought the same of a man, I might be wrong…but believe me, that comment had nothing sexist. El neswen tejj rasna…

• 70. Fuziyad | January 11th, 2009 at 6:48 am

  Rima, haden’t read yr last part about me being se–xist with that women…

  Well that has nothing se–xist…to me she just looks and sound sick and sticking to the basis of psycholgy I suggested it might be due to se–xual frustration….would have just thought the same of a man, I might be wrong…but believe me, that comment had nothing se–xist. El neswen tejj rasna…

• 71. Fuziyad | January 11th, 2009 at 6:59 am

  Doc just for your info the lebanese christian ta3assob against muslims is also present among yr taratatata friends…

• 72. Che | January 11th, 2009 at 7:04 am

  Brigitte Gabriel on Terrorism? It Takes One to Know One

  http://www.dissidentvoice.org/2007/07/brigitte-gabriel-on-terrorism-it-takes-one-to-know-one/

• 73. Patrick | January 11th, 2009 at 7:38 am

  fuziyad,

  i don’t know how many times i have to say it: i have no problem with anything she said. she also said after the marine barracks bombing we tucked our tail between our legs and ran like a dog. according to your logic, i should be upset by that too. but why would i be upset with her when she’s right?

• 74. Michele | January 11th, 2009 at 7:42 am

  Well i stopped listening to her when she went on n on about how wonderful are the Israelis; maybe they were at that time but i think it’s a bit exaggerated.

  I think that she’s more crazy than courageous to hold such a speech; maybe there’s some truth in her personal story but I don’t believe u could be a good or a bad person according to ur beliefs n religion.

  Walla i have some muslim friends much much nicer n honest than some other christians friends.

  I have a lots of jews friends who condemn what is happening in Gaza.

  I do have some reserve on some religions n traditions but it doesn’t mean that the persons who are following them are bad people.

• 75. Patrick | January 11th, 2009 at 7:46 am

  ja3far,

  btw that’s just really expensive chalk powder we sold them, get your facts straight ;p

• 76. ja3far | January 11th, 2009 at 8:58 am

  patrick… i thought you gave those powders as a christmas gift … same as those new gifts under way now as a late christmas present for the israelies to distribute to the palestinians children …i heard there is thousands of tons coming … you are very generous my friend.. bless u..

  but tell me.. there has been something really disturbing me lately… i heard the porn undestry is facing some financial problems in the US… are you going to give them those 5 billion dollars?? please do it…for the sake of humanity

• 77. Doccc1559 | January 11th, 2009 at 9:03 am

  Fuziyad

  Bonjourak khaye .. Isnt early to attack doc?

  You say : Doc just for your info the lebanese christian ta3assob against muslims is also present among yr taratatata friends…

  Answer : With no doubt about it. There is bias among all of us (this is normal) but you must admit that Fpmers accept others as unique ,talented individuals. They learned from GMA school how to accept others for who they are and what they can do… This is why they are called tayyar WATANI 7or, tayyar for all lebanon. Now tell me about SAMIR Geagea school …

  Have a good day bro…

• 78. Doccc1559 | January 11th, 2009 at 9:04 am

  No offense fuziyad..

• 79. Doccc1559 | January 11th, 2009 at 9:05 am

  Ja3far

  Saba7 al kher ya watan

• 80. Doccc1559 | January 11th, 2009 at 9:09 am

  Rima

  You wanna work 50 hrs a week and then study another 50? What about the little one jumping on my back all day screaming baba baba i wanna play ??Oops, I almost 4got My lovely wife may god bless her heart , she always wanna go out to eat !!!

• 81. Doccc1559 | January 11th, 2009 at 9:10 am

  Rima

  You wanna work 50 hrs a week and then study another 50? What about the little one jumping on my back all day scre*ming baba baba i wanna play ??O*ps, I almost 4got My lov*ly wife may god bless her heart , she always wanna go out to eat !!!

• 82. Fuziyad | January 11th, 2009 at 9:24 am

  ya 3alé ya 3alé…not too early may be too late in my case….

  am not attacking just poiting out something…FPM boys are in general met3assbin….

• 83. Doccc1559 | January 11th, 2009 at 9:25 am

  Retire05 and Amir

  And you have the nerves to talk about numbers? Seriously now !! Your propa*anda is no longer effective, 1000 thx for the internet

  By numbers :

  0 Israeli homes have been demolished by Palestinians and 18,147 Palestinian homes have been demolished by Israel since 1967

  1 Israeli is being held prisoner by Palestinians, while 10,756 Palestinians are currently imprisoned by Israel

  During Fiscal Year 2007, the U.S. gave more than $6.8 million per day to Israel and $0.3 million per day to the Palestinians

  8,341 Israelis and 33,034 Palestinians have been injured since September 29, 2000

  And the list goes on and on..

  And you amir , plz do me a favor and stop your silly predictions, you said the same thing about the july war and end up going back home empty handed

  and you MR. retire , Isreal has to choose either Ha*as of frea*in Terr*rist al Qaed** will be taking over Gaza. The same thing happened in lebanon 25 yrs ago. You crushed the PLO and end up with Hezbol***

  Have a good day..

• 84. Doccc1559 | January 11th, 2009 at 9:31 am

  Fuziyad

  FPM are the upper class and you know that. Most educated as well!!! Their behavior and activities show their love to all lebanese…

  Again, all lebanese are mit3issbin in some way..Nothing new…

  Lek are you playing poker now??

• 85. Michele | January 11th, 2009 at 10:22 am

  OMG Doc now i’m sure u have never met a FPM in ur entire life!

  They are recognized either for having an inferiority complex or their love for power (the 2nd category is for the businessmen who pay to Aoun to be part of his gang).

  Seriously i wished if only once just once i meet a bright Aouni but it seems all the bright educated smart ones are on the other side.

  Come on admit it, u have to be an idiot to follow Aoun. By u, i mean u in general n not u Doc!

• 86. darko | January 11th, 2009 at 12:05 pm

  Paul @49, no, Azmi bshara is from arab l48, he was a member of the keniset, i’m talking about Christians candidates on their list for municipality elections in ramallah and Bethlehem and who one, and there’s also houssam tawil who one the parliamentary election in gaze on hamas list, and there’s also jawdi markass from Bethlehem who was appoint tourism and archeology minister in the hamas cabinet. For crying out loud, hamas opposition among other group blame her for creating so much ties with the christian community in Palestine, check this out
  http://fatehforums.com/showthread.php?t=18616

• 87. F.A | January 11th, 2009 at 9:06 pm

  Doc,

  Hope u all the best in ur studies, although I think u still have time to think again about it , medicine is like the middle-east conflict, it never ends, and always full of surprises anyway all the best.

• 88. Rima | January 12th, 2009 at 12:31 am

  Tayeb Ya Fuziad I am not going to go back and forth with you regarding your unpleasant comment on Brigitt…You not only insisted on your se*ist comment but you added the age factor…excuse me but I cannot accept such tasteless comments from someone I really admire his intellect and patriotism.

  Let’s be objective, Samir Kuntar is a perfect illustration of how civilised Israel can be as opposed to our barbaric prisons in the Arab world. I can’t imagine how a jew might be treated by Hamas, HA or Syria!
  If Palestine has heavy weaponries they will wipe jews of the map! Be sure about that and they won’t care about kids, women or anyone….

  You know I am sick of the labelling that was and still going on in the Arab street.Everyone is Zionist and everyone is paid to voice his/her opinion…well I don’t think Israel is our enemy..If our fellow HA do not see Syria who was showering us with bombs for almost 15 years in East Beirut, humiliated us, Syria that assassinated our leaders and you know the rest…Why shall I consider Israel who is defending itself against our unruled borders an enemy?
  I am sick of all this leftist mentality…It is going too far.Let’s be pragmatic and realistic for once for God’s sake!

• 89. Doccc1559 | January 12th, 2009 at 1:50 am

  Michele

  I have had enough with your negativity toward FPM/HA , come one ….. You’re talking about education on the other side?? What education are you talking about?? Leb ppl are educated ppl in general. walla you meant ouwet education ? And you have the nerve to call them ” inferiority complex ” ppl??? Chu chaklik 3yche 3la PLUTO??

  I am going to talk to you as a stranger not the usual ali in here,

  Your misunderstanding is a failure to accurately understand the other person’s point, and this is why you’re always negative about everthing we say to you eventhough we(HA/FPM) have been right on many political points (and you were very wrong about it but didnt wanna admit it)…

  In general, you are always talking about the DIFFERENCES between us rather than the COMMON interest, and this is a huge prb you have. You dont seem to understand that Kateeb/ouwet and FPM are the same ppl. They come from the same backround… WAKE UP BANOUT!!

  Ppl who attempt to avoid conflict by simply ignoring things that bother them ( I am talking about you here, you always tell RIMA that you dont take life in a serious way) are exhibiting nonassertive behavior..

  Lastly, I donthave to admit anything I dont beleive In. I beleive that the aouni tayyar is an edcucated tayyar whether it was controled by aoun, bassil,kanaan or any other guy…

  Thank you !

  PS: I don’t hate you

• 90. Doccc1559 | January 12th, 2009 at 1:51 am

  Michele

  I have had enough with your negativity toward FPM/HA , come one ….. You’re talking about education on the other side?? What education are you talking about?? Leb ppl are educated ppl in general. walla you meant ouwet education ? And you have the nerve to call them ” inferiority complex ” ppl??? Chu chaklik 3yche 3la PLUTO??

  I am going to talk to you as a good boy this time,

  Your misunderstanding is a failure to accurately understand the other person’s point, and this is why you’re always negative about everthing we say to you eventhough we(HA/FPM) have been right on many political points (and you were very wrong about it but didnt wanna admit it)…

  In general, you are always talking about the DIFFERENCES between us rather than the COMMON interest, and this is a huge prb you have. You dont seem to understand that Kateeb/ouwet and FPM are the same ppl. They come from the same backround… WAKE UP BANOUT!!

  Ppl who attempt to avoid conflict by simply ignoring things that bother them ( I am talking about you here, you always tell RIMA that you dont take life in a serious way) are exhibiting nonassertive behavior..

  Lastly, I donthave to admit anything I dont beleive In. I beleive that the aouni tayyar is an edcucated tayyar whether it was controled by aoun, bassil,kanaan or any other guy…

  Thank you !

  PS: I don’t ha*e you

• 91. Doccc1559 | January 12th, 2009 at 1:52 am

  F.A

  Thank you so much. Best wishes for you as well..

  MED = driving me ins*ne!!

• 92. Michele | January 12th, 2009 at 7:33 am

  Rima u forgot how the Israelis treated bad Samir Kuntar when he was in their prison?!
  Duuuh!!!
  Just being sarcastic, the guy never been healthier; he has put on some extra kilos, his face was glowing as if he just returned from the thermes de Biarritz. I’m certain that sometimes he wishes to go back.

  Alloush sweetie come on don’t take it personal; but again have u met any Aouni recently?

  I mean just read their comments n u’ll understand me.
  I definitely don’t consider u a Aouni coz u at least try to debate; u are not into the colour, empty slogans n the Taratatta!
  And if u wanna give exemple of intellect people in FPM, honey don’t ever mention Bassil & Kanaan as thanks to them supporters are leaving the lunatic General. Ken ba3ed na2ess to mention Alain Aoun

  If u ever meet him ask him kam sa7sou7 ekkela from me back in Paris.

  PS: I don’t hate either; deep down u are a good boy! An advice sweetie, the only thing that u should take seriously now is ur studies as for the politics just have fun wz it!

• 93. Patrick | January 12th, 2009 at 9:10 am

  ja3far,

  let’s be real. i was joking til now about the white phosphorus, but now since you implied israel is tainting chocolate with something (conspiracies range from mad cow to AIDS to bird flu to whatever the latest scare is) and passing it out among palestinian children, let me get serious:

  a) of course israel is using white phosphorus. we used it in iraq, they used it in 2006, and they are using it now. contrary to popular belief, it is NOT outlawed by the UN. the UN has outlawed using it as a weapon, and saying they’re using it as a smokescreen is not some cheap way of getting around international law. every single ambassador who voted on the resolution banning using white phosphorus as a weapon understood that it would continue to be used as a smokescreen. it’s not a matter of not being comprehensive enough or “forgetting” to include the issue of using it as a smokescreen. if we or the israelis wanted to use white phosphorus as a chemical weapon, it would look very different than what you see in the clips you spend so much time looking at on youtube. there is a difference between blanketing an area where a thousand civilians are gathered (which is not being done), and dropping leaflets in both arabic and hebrew saying “get the *uck out of this area because we’re going to come in with guns blazing in a few hours” followed by blanketing empty streets followed by the IDF moving in. people said “if it burns the skin, how could it be used as a smokescreen? i don’t believe the IDF moves in after dropping white phosphorus.” anyone who talks like this has no clue about how white phosphorus is used. america and israel do it all the time. we drop white phosphorus on an empty (or basically empty) street and we move in. you shouldn’t be surprised what a mask and a pair of gloves can do for somebody in the IDF who doesn’t want to get burned. as for palestinians in gaza, let’s be real: they know how this works. when there is a war on, you stay inside. if you’re running around in area a couple hours after leaflets have been dropped, or if you’re in an area where the hamas fighters are present, you stay inside. you don’t hang out on the street and then complain about burns. all this is about is the palestinians are trying to create international pressure on israel not to use white phosphorus so the IDF will be deprived of using smokescreens, so palestinian snipers can take out IDF troops more easily in urban warfare. but we know the tactics of the palestinians, and it’s not going to work. the u.s. and israel will continue using white phosphorus as a smokescreen, and people can keep trying to lie and say we’re using it as a chemical weapon if you like, but it’s still a lie.

  b) the idea that israel passes out chocolate tained with AIDS or mad cow or the bird flu whatever does not need a response as above. the white phosphorus thing is real, it’s just not being used in the way you’d like people to think. the chocolate thing, on the other hand, is just bullsh*t.

• 94. Patrick | January 12th, 2009 at 9:15 am

  the white phosphorus has other uses too, btw. when it’s used at night it’s used to shed light on a certain area for a few seconds.

• 95. ja3far | January 12th, 2009 at 10:13 am

  Patrick.. be serious… i never talked about choclate and AIDS and all this stuff… i was talking about the 10 thousands tons of missiles, the reports are talking about, that are sent by the americans to the israeli army to destroy gaza in the best way possible…

  regarding the phosphorus bomb, what i said was clear… however, it seems you think people in lebanon and gaza and stuff have place to hide in from your war machine… the war in lebanon showed the opposite and the same is happening in gaza.. when the army face strong resistance and pay high casualty he make the civilians pay the price…

• 96. Patrick | January 12th, 2009 at 5:52 pm

  ja3far,

  ah, well you said ‘for palestinian children’ so that plus your penchant for conspiracy theories led me to think that’s what you were referring to.

  but if you’re talking about missiles for children, let’s see how the math adds up. the other day, one of the hamas leaders was hit along with a few of his wives and nine of his children. but let’s not take that as average. maybe on average we hit only one wife plus one sister or mother plus three children per “resistance fighter” (anybody with a gun shooting in the direction of the IDF). that means for every 100 hamas/whatever guys we hit, we also hit 200 women and 300 children. or for every 200 hamas/whatever guys we hit, we also hit 300 women and 600 children.

  when you consider that hamas and the palestinians are infamous for firing on the IDF from places where there are women and children hanging around, then the numbers really not striking at all. if women don’t want to die along with their children, the best thing they can do is tell their husband not to use their home as a base for attacking the IDF.

  simple as that.

• 97. Patrick | January 12th, 2009 at 6:01 pm

  and by the way, the actual numbers are 521 men killed, 284 children and 100 women, which i think is pretty d*mn good when you’re up against an enemy where every fighter has a big family and his favorite place to shoot at you from is his home!!

• 98. Patrick | January 12th, 2009 at 6:11 pm

  not to mention that it is common for palestinian women and children to participate in the fight in some way… whether attacking soldiers who enter the home which is just stupid.. or helping to make bombs, or shooting, or surrounding the men hoping that the IDF won’t shoot at them if there are women around or else that they will shoot and they can use the video clip as a propaganda tool, etc.

  you can fool france 2 but you can’t fool israel and america.

• 99. Patrick | January 12th, 2009 at 6:20 pm

  another thing about the white phosphorus… when you move troops in, you don’t always move into the exact spot where you dropped the phosphorus. the smoke works both ways. if it makes them blind to you, it makes you blind to them also. so what’s the point? the point is to give you time to take up positions. you fire artillery packed with white phosphorus, the smokescreen is created, you move in and take positions, and when the smoke clears you’re ready to engage. there are several ways the smokescreen can work and this is one. i’m just really tired of hearing about it. this is a common tactic of the palestinians. take a handful of people with burns, combine them with 50 people who are only pretending to have burns for propaganda purposes, put all of them on the television to bring some international pressure against israel to stop using the material and deprive them of a valuable military tool so you can kill more of them…

• 100. paul | January 12th, 2009 at 11:18 pm

  Darko,sorry i did not read your comment 86
  min l3aj2a.about Bshara it was ironic because he and the other arabs in Knesset can change nothing,the same applies to a Christian in a Hamas government.

• 101. ja3far | January 12th, 2009 at 11:56 pm

  Patrick… you know very well that special cases ( like the hamas member who died with his wives ) doesnt make a rule; in addition to the fact that he was sleeping and not fighting.. but regardless to that; Hamas will be very happy with your logic.. as you know most israeli are reservists, so now when someone go and blow himself in a market, you cannot blame him even if he kill little children…

  but you know all the above are just words and us playing smart… what is really sad is that you people cannot really understand the suffering of those humans.. for you it became a computer game where u see an arrow with small explosion and some numbers , a thousands plus or minus who cares… i think it is sad to become like that.. be careful… dont loose your sole

  salam

• 102. Patrick | January 13th, 2009 at 3:13 am

  ja3far,

  how is blowing yourself up in a market with civilians as targets the same as entering a house that you know has at least one person inside who has been shooting at you and shooting everyone who is dumb enough to run at you with a gun or a knife.. how is this the same thing?

  as for losing my soul, i have friends from all over. palestinian, lebanese, iraqi, everywhere. and sometimes i cry out of concern for them, or when i read the stories of others. it’s not a game for me.

  peace.

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