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• 1. Fou2ad | October 26th, 2008 at 3:55 pm

  Geagea is lying. His soldiers were briefed before the operation on everything they should do. They wouldn’t have stormed the frangieh palace on their own and killed frangieh and his family without getting any orders to do it. And if geagea and his men were intending to only capture 15 marada militants they would have, because there were hundreds there and I’m sure many of those marada would rather surrender than lose their life(they are not japanese), but since non of them surrendered and they were all killed, that means that they weren’t able to surrender, which is most probably because the people they were fighting were not taking any prisoners(i.e.: geagea’s men were there for something else).
  Just admit it already, geagea was sent to assassinate tony frangieh and his family. I don’t see what the big deal is. Tony frangieh was as corrupt and low as Marwan 7médé’s son. He had it coming, so there’s no reason for geagea to lie about who killed him.

• 2. N10452 | October 26th, 2008 at 3:59 pm

  Regardless what the order was Fou2ad,
  Geagea did not get there to kill Frangieh, some ever say by the time he got close, Frangieh was already killed .. and Syrians trapped Geagea on his way up..

  So who killed him ?

• 3. Delta | October 26th, 2008 at 5:12 pm

  frangiyeh acts killed him do not blame it on bachir or samir every dog traitor in this country should be killed if it was the syrians or the lf he deserve what he got .

  and whats about his kids ????
  well if he was not carefull on his own kids we are not gonna be carefull on his kids more than his nore the damn syrians,

  to all pro syrians here remember when u finish a job for the syrians you are slaughtered after that.

  N

  anna bichkrak for all ur hard work wb2adrak god bless you wthanks 3al post

• 4. Fou2ad | October 26th, 2008 at 6:25 pm

  “So who killed him ?”
  The only people other than the marada who were up there.
  P.S.: Joseph abi khalil said that the objetive of the operation was to kidnap tony frangieh(meaning they knew very well that he was in ehden), so who do you think is lying? Him or geagea?

• 5. nevermind | October 26th, 2008 at 7:21 pm

  well DSG admitted in his last interview on al-jazeera that he killed frangieh and karame…
  Don’t get me wrong guys, I’m a pro-LF, but I’m sick of all his appologies…
  in the past,all our enemies used to fear him, now they pitty him… he is sounding pathetic!!!!
  As a christian leader, he is showing that he is weak… we don’t need this crap, especially now!!!!
  I don’t know if the rest of you (LF) agree with me?

• 6. paul | October 26th, 2008 at 7:52 pm

  they died…tough luck.

• 7. M113 | October 26th, 2008 at 8:07 pm

  I don’t understand, but when did Franjieh apologies to all the people his father and grandfather killed or caused the death of ?

  Samir Geagea (if he did kill Franjieh) deserves an award.

• 8. shehab | October 26th, 2008 at 8:51 pm

  the war is over years ago we would put it behind us and move on with our life its lime for recenceliation but it lok like frangie and aoun want to go back on time paec is the last thing they ave in mind

• 9. N10452 | October 26th, 2008 at 8:54 pm

  Nevermind,
  What LF are you pro bicharaf rabbak ??

  When did Hakim admit anything like that ??

• 10. Mickel | October 26th, 2008 at 8:59 pm

  Nevermind
  Christians are tired of Christian-Christian bickering, and want to see ‘mousala7at’ like everyone else. Hakim is trying to look like the guy who wants to make peace, while the other guys like Frangiyyeh are looking bad for not wanting to.

• 11. nevermind | October 26th, 2008 at 9:13 pm

  N,
  When? when he was asked if he appologize for the death of frangieh and karame…. he even was asked several times!!! and hakim said yes!!! what does it mean? why do you need to say sorry for something you didn’t do????????

  I am not against it, it was war, and what happened happened…
  what I am saying, why all this sorry, forgivness, and so on… I don’t think it will serve our cause!
  What we need a strong leadership.

  Mickel,

  Do you think “looking like the guys who wants to make peace” is working with these scums????? I don’t think so. They are scum,and they will always be!
  I think Hakim should change his attitude and be more tough on them!

• 12. shehab | October 26th, 2008 at 9:23 pm

  i am not lf memeber ido not support any cherstian leader who dos not look for the inters securitey of all cherstian what i see az media hakim offer was sort of regted what i see garlles respond strugl who will be in the front of cherstian lederchip

• 13. Mickel | October 26th, 2008 at 10:40 pm

  It’s not about making peace with the scum, they’ll never change. I’m talking about the independent Christians who want to see mousala7at like everyone else. I’m against meeting with that low-life but it helps get votes on our side.

• 14. Delta | October 27th, 2008 at 1:57 am

  u know what so funny ba3doun ma t3alamo badoun ydaloun yihchrouna bil zewyeh ta nirga3 nihri2oun wnihro2 ilard taba3oun

• 15. Rima | October 27th, 2008 at 2:34 am

  Thank you N for the posts.

  Reading the story from different sources one can infer the following points:(correct me if I am wrong)
  1-It is obvious that Tony Frangiyee was killed at the end after a battle between his figters and LF and it is not similar to what happenned to Dany Shamoun and his family RIP…It was in a war context when both parties were involved in a fierce fight…
  2- DSG as many of you have mentioned was not the LF chief and got shot way before reaching Tony’s house and therefore he is somehow innocent. We cannot blame him for sthg he did not do… the blame game has one purpose portray DSG as teh ultimate war criminal…come on LFers fight back..defend yourselves!!!!!
  3- Frangyiehs were and still are the ennemy of Christians (now Aounis joined the crew (jaw3a)and LF were defending themselves against their extermination from the North…hayda Ha2…

  At the end, shame on all marada people till now I don’t understand what is their real cause…they are no more than Syrian agents…!!!!

  Cheers

• 16. Rima | October 27th, 2008 at 2:51 am

  By the way there is a book written by Ann Coulter,an American conservative republican, entitled “If Democrats had any brains, they’d be republicans” http://www.anncoulter.org/

  I thought we can also say: “If Aounis had any brains, they’d be Lfers”

• 17. kezballah | October 27th, 2008 at 3:32 am

  I think we are mixing up some things:

  1) To kill Tony Frangieh and his fighters is not the problem, they are a mafia who start first the killing of Kata2ib in the North, BUT the problem is to kill Frangieh family, his wife his kids this is a BIG crime and it deserve AT LEAST an apology from the LF, it is not a weakness it is the right thing to do.

  2) All the stories of Ehden massacre say the killing was not the objective of the LF command (Bashir) and all the stories say that Samir Geagea did not arrive to Ehden because he was shot on the way, so Geagea did not kill Frangieh, but Geagea is now the commander of the LF and he is the only one who can apologize for the LF action.

  I think killing Tony Frangieh even without his family was a bad strategy because it breaks forever the chance of fixing the broken alliance with his father in 1978, this is why I don’t believe that Bashir gave the order to kill Frangieh (like the Safra operation did not kill Dany and the alliance with Camille Chamoun continued), I think the killing happened because the men did not have a leader (Geagea was shot) or they were doing something for an outside power who wanted to split the Christians since 1978.

  Fou2ad Marwan Hamade son never killed people like Tony Frangieh so it is a bad example

• 18. Rima | October 27th, 2008 at 4:05 am

  Kizballah

  You are right…was Hobeika among the men who fought in Ehden?

• 19. kezballah | October 27th, 2008 at 4:26 am

  Rima many stories I heard say Hobeika was in the operation and he was the leader after Geagea was shot, these are stories from people in responsible positions in Kata2ib and LF in that time and I trust them but I don’t have any hard evidence other than these stories.

  Let us say Hobeika is not connected to this operation, but Hobeika is a good example of LFers with connections to outside powers, maybe there was another Hobeika in this operation that is what I am saying.

  I would like to know more details about this operation like everyone else, but for now it is enough for me to know that the LF did a horrible crime by killing Frangieh family and the LF commander at this time apologized for this act and accepted the terms of reconciliation. Now the other side is adding new excuses because their master Syria doesn’t want reconciliation, the people can judge who want to move forward and who want to keep the Christian split.

• 20. Rima | October 27th, 2008 at 4:29 am

  Kizballah

  You mentioned that Bashir was not willing to kill Frangiyeh and I beleive in that…but If the plan was to kidnap the man and the marada fought back so this was a sensless decision from bachir..Still Tony Frangiyeh died while fighting..as for his family one should wonder who had swift access to his house…I hope someone who knows someone who was there to reveal this mystery to us…The khabariyeh about the Syrian involvement in the killing of the family is not a irrealistic one…! God knows

• 21. kezballah | October 27th, 2008 at 4:47 am

  Rima, I think our standards are higher as LF so I think to attack the Frangieh house is not part of a war the way I fight in a war, I think we retaliate against the Frangieh mafia war with another mafia war and that is bad (for example Frangieh killed Joud Bayeh in his work office and cut his body in pieces, he killed many Kata2ib in their home or their street not in the front lines, so we did the same to him and we become like him).

  Today the LF apologize for its mistakes and crimes but who apologize to us? Did Frangieh apologize for what his father and grandfather did? Who apologize to Joud Bayeh and thousands massacred in Damour, Ka3 etc…. LF have higher standards and I am proud to stick to them.

  I agree that Bashir decision to attack Frangieh’s house is a bad decision, Bashir made mistakes he is not Sayyed Hassan the divine who make no mistakes even when he cost 1200 dead and hide underground, Bashir was human he was a lawyer who had to take command of a resistance to defend his country when the army went home, he did not get training in Iran how to become a Mullah figher, he made some bad mistakes but he made A LOT of historic decisions and victories, even despite that many who worked with him were not loyal and were traitors (look at Joseph Samaha the Syrian for example)

• 22. Rima | October 27th, 2008 at 6:08 am

  Can someone have an expalnation to why we have such a high level of traitors among Christians?
  Thanks

• 23. O | October 27th, 2008 at 10:57 am

  we have high level of traitors because we have scums like ja3ja3 who are ready to sell anything for power.

• 24. Michele | October 27th, 2008 at 11:13 am

  O Ohhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh!!!!!

  I guess u had a typo mistake; did u mean aOun???

  Coz in that case we will all agree wz u…

• 25. nevermind | October 27th, 2008 at 2:57 pm

  Rima,
  It’s in our blood, even Jesus Christ was handed over by his student…

• 26. Delta | October 27th, 2008 at 3:48 pm

  O when wasthe last time ja3ja3 was trying to run for president ya O when was the last time ja3ja3 was trying to become a congressman or aminister unlike ur monkey aoun who would even run for the head of scout du Liban .

• 27. paul | October 27th, 2008 at 4:51 pm

  niyelkoun 3a ha lijledeh.

• 28. paul | November 6th, 2008 at 10:55 pm

  tesssst

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