Happy Dependence day (continued)
Posted by N10452After dropping the Lebanese flag, we have two new things to add them to Hezbollah’s shame list:
1- Secret Hizbullah Maneuvers in the South on the Independance day.
2- No Representative @ the Military Parade for no reason.
They couldnt have scheduled their maneuvers for another day ?? or maybe it wasnt a maneuver ? maybe they were rejoicing over Sheikh Pierre’s 2nd annual commemoration ..
Resistance 2al ..
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1. Rodge | November 24th, 2008 at 4:56 pm
Why should they delay their maneuvers while they never admit anything related to the Lebanese Republic?? they have their own Banana republic (yellow) allied to the Orange Republic.
2. ja3far | November 24th, 2008 at 5:09 pm
another proof that u guys see with one eyes only…lastt year the israeli did a maneuvre on the border on how to attack lebanon the resistance made a counter maneuvre in a week which they announced it.
few days ago the israelies did a new maneuvre on the border again for a new war … while every body was having good time the resistance had open eyes… whether they did a maneuvre or not is something for them to declare … but if you are really patriotic you should leave the internal conflict aside and wish for the maneuvre to be a reality…
salam
3. Rodge | November 24th, 2008 at 5:26 pm
Ja3far,
Sorry I disagree with you, especially when you say that we see in one eye only, because in fact u’re the one who are seeing in one hand.
You know what is our problem in this country, is that we blame Israel on everything, and I mean everything.
They used to accuse Israel even if a man and his wife had a fight, enough this “Kamis Othman”, since while I admit that Israel is an ennemy, in return we should recognize there are other ennemies, some of them inside the country, and others on our border and even a little further.
You people wnat to blame Israel and that’s it, not once you blame Syria, eventhough we all know that u don’t like Syria, and u’re just defending the Syrians because they are ur allies now.
We understand your hate for Israel, and we share you this hate, maybe at a certain level, but not once you understood our feelings toward Syria, which is supposed to be a good neighbor and more, but in fact it was the worse ennemy, the ennemy who acted from inside to push Lebanon backwards.
Yes N is right to blame HA for their maneuvres, and we have the right to criticize them and criticize anyone when he does something wrong.
You’re the one who’s asking to respect the flag, eventually the country and the state representing them, while you don’t want ur people to respect the independence day, which is still a national day regardless if it is real or not.
4. Ali | November 24th, 2008 at 5:26 pm
eh yateyon el 3afyee!
damo Mosadadeen!
5. ja3far | November 24th, 2008 at 5:33 pm
khaye rodge ..what are u talking about?
the israli themselves declared they made a maneuvre few days ago to emitate and train for a new war on lebanon… the resistance was monitoring the activities and ways used…if they did a counter maneuvre in the borders thAT WOULD BE A GREAT THING..
salam
6. ja3far | November 24th, 2008 at 5:34 pm
**that was used
7. N10452 | November 24th, 2008 at 6:04 pm
ja3far,
So whats ur logic ?? chou badde bi Israel ??
I dont care what Israel does .. 7keene bi Hezbollah !!
IF you are really patriotic, you freaknig leave the army do its parade without demeaning it … and you attend the parade without disrespecting it ..
Resistance had open eyes 3a chou ??? U really think Israel will attack us hek faj2a on an independance day … as if as if Israel fer2a ma3a iza fi army on the borders or not ..
8. Fuziyad | November 24th, 2008 at 6:16 pm
Ja3far, let’s be honest, why is israel maneuvering? is it to get lebanese land and/or water? is that on its agenda? certainly not…its agenda in lebanon now if any is to neutralize what could be a threat in case of an attack on iran…that’s the main thing they have in mind now, so if we get into a war because of that, it will no doubt be the israelies fault but also, once again HA fault for dragging lebanon into a war that doesn’t concern the people of jabal 3amel…
9. ja3far | November 24th, 2008 at 6:23 pm
N… keef chou baddi bi israil.. are u serious?
) for that u dont care to put a topic ..)).. as long as the army is not able to stand against israel alone u are more then welcome to join the resistance.. and the resistance should parade in its own way in our independance day..
if the israeli threat stop i will be with disarming HA..
as long as israel is threatening me every day ( by the way the israeli aiforce celebrated the independance day with us ..have u seen al nahar today
salam
10. ja3far | November 24th, 2008 at 6:40 pm
leek fuziad.. lut us go step by step..
what do u think of tawteen the palestinians in lebanon?
11. Ra'fat | November 24th, 2008 at 7:01 pm
Actually Ja3far the guys bring up a good point. Can you please answer the following question: Will Hizballah attack Isreal if they attack Iran?
12. ja3far | November 24th, 2008 at 7:30 pm
rafat..HA never said they would…i believe in putting our families and beloved ones which are part of the lebanese benefits above anything else…
salam
13. kouwatje | November 24th, 2008 at 7:47 pm
Ja3four
You remind of : min kheli2 2abel el djeje walla el bayda ? The only reason Israel wants to attack Lebanon is because HA , before Ha there was the fate7 and others , you guys who call yourself moukawama are the reason israel keeps attacking Lebanon and you guys keeps saying that you don’t disarm unless Israel threat is over , what a joke ? living in a circle. Well then what is the solution? There is only one and it is the destruction of Israel or HA , and of course Lebanon is the only one who will goes to ashes 10x to you idiots so I have one thing to say to you : I spit on you and your terrorism culture you piece of sh*t
14. Doc 1559 | November 24th, 2008 at 8:00 pm
Ja3far habibi
Why are you going back and forth with them? You can never please them.. sumun bukmun 3myun..I am going to tell you a story and I hope you consider my words seriously,
I underwent a rather annoying situation and it reminded me about this famous Arabic parable which attests to the fact that people will always speak ill of others and we can’t please everyone. Here it goes, I hope you all enjoy:
A father and his son decided one day to take a trip to another town. To get to their destination, they had to pass through several other villages. Their only means of transportation was a donkey. Gazing upon his young son with compassion, the father insisted that the son rides the donkey while the father walks beside them. As they passed through the first village, the inhabitants of that village said, “What a selfish son! He rides the donkey and makes his father walk. What’s wrong with him?”
The boy and his father heard the remarks, so before entering the second village, they switched positions and the father rode the donkey while the son walked beside. As they passed the townspeople, they heard one man say, “Look at that man. He sits comfortably on the donkey and makes his young son walk! Does he have no compassion? What’s wrong with him?”
Nevertheless, the boy and his father continued. Before they approached the third village, they remembered what the others had said about them, so they both decided to walk beside the donkey and walk the animal by its leash. As they entered this town, they heard someone say, “Look at those two fools. They have a perfectly good donkey to ride and neither of them is riding it. Don’t they have any sense? What’s wrong with them?”
Hearing these comments, the boy and his father were becoming increasingly annoyed. As they approached their destination, to avoid any further comments, they both decided to ride the donkey. Suddenly, they heard a person say, “Look how cruel that man and his son are. They are both riding that donkey. It can’t support their weight! What’s wrong with them?”
The point is that we cannot please everyone. People will always speak ill of others. I think it’s just best to avoid such negative people and to keep doing what we think is right, no matter what they say.
Khaye ja3far, let keep on doing what we have been doing for the past few years , this way , we are keeping them the way they are and we are getting stronger and stronger ! Ya3ne : ايهود باراك: حزب الله ضاعف قوته النارية ثلاث مرات منذ حرب تموز
I love it ja3far, education+power : strong ! as always al wassiya al assass : hufuz al mukawama ….
You have good day
15. paul | November 24th, 2008 at 8:35 pm
maybe those guys have no other hobby.
16. kouwatje | November 24th, 2008 at 8:46 pm
Well they kept having kids with no rest , one , two , ten ,……..
suddenly they said : wohoooooo what are we going to do with all of ” these ” ?
1st one proposed : lets send ” these” to the street to beg for money.
they tried that idea for a while but
suddenly they realized that there are two many kids on the street , more than enough
so
2nd one proposed : lets make them terrorist and promise them with 40 virgin in heaven
and there you go Hezballah is born
and when they have too many terrorist they go to war.
I spit on that culture.
17. ja3far | November 24th, 2008 at 10:01 pm
kouwatje… it is clear that you are a teen ager who think that by insulting his flag his country and other people he is becoming a man… it is ok u will get mature… but let me explain something for u…
the struggle with the zionists started since they started emigrating from all over the world to our area.
there attacks on the lebanese territories started on year 1936 ..
they declared the country of israel in 1948 with no declared geography in there constitution .
their flag represented the area that they believe it is there right which is between al forat wal nile ( containing lebanon…
in their way to make the country of israel they have thrown millions of palestinians outside their homeland to neighboor countries among them lebanon.. which have caused a big problem to these countries that have never ended…
till now the problem of the palestinians is not solve.
since 1948 the israelies have made lot of attacks on lebanon .. the ones in the south were almost on daily bases .. the others inside lebanon were periodic.. all these started long ago before the palestinians even started there attacks…
israel have lunched huge wars against lebanon in 1978, 1982, 1994, 1996, and 2006 killing hundreds of thousands of lebaneses and occupied different parts of our country between 1978 and 2000…
in 2000 we have thrown the israelies away using our militery force and the sacrifices of our people
we believe the only way to stop the israelies is by creating a sort of military balance…
this is done through a very capable military force…
the lebanese army is not able to take such a responsability yet..
so we have taken it in our hands…
you like that ? good for you .. you are more then welcome to join us if you have the gots …
you like that but you dont want to fight .. no problem it is your choice .. not everybody is asked to fight…
you dont like it .. you can scream jump dance cry or even throw insults as much as you like .. you will not make any difference..
you dont like it and you want to stand against us…we cant accpet to go back the way it used to happen before .. so we will not let u do that and we will simply smash you,,
it is your choice azizi… think about it
it is not that dificult
by the way… the one who told you jumblat stood against us was lying… we took control of half the mountain in less the three hours… by then he had surrendered
18. Fuziyad | November 24th, 2008 at 10:33 pm
Ja3far, as you know I often admit mistakes on our side and make concessions when we discuss but I have noticed that you NEVER did or may be at the beginning you did a few which led me to take you seriously but now you never never admit anything.
Enno how can you say you are of good faith when you say”I don’t think HA will attack israel if it attacks Iran” are you kidding???honestly does the doubt even come to your mind when you are asked such a question as if the will. THEY WILL, THEY WILL,THEY WILL and you know it and this is the one and only reason why israel didn’t bomb iran yet and the only reason why iran advertises its nuke plants and theratens israel. Lebanon is a weapon in the hands of Iran. Tell me, ok right, but if this is the price to pay for or the help they gave us than that’s ok or somthing like that…we would disagree but at least we would be honest…
Then concerning the palestinians, am against tawteen but what does this come in place here?? plse plse plse don’t serve me aounist propaganda that HA weapons are protection against tawteen…
19. ja3far | November 24th, 2008 at 10:46 pm
fuziad…i dont think you have been fair in your last comment… i have criticised many times in my comments and said what i believed .. but the thing is that many times i dont comment on things that i dont feel positive about …
what i said in my comment is that HA didnt say they will attack,,, i believe they will put their families and country first… that is why i support them.. if they do the opposite i will stop supporting them…
the reason i asked u about the palestinians is that because i believe that as that as this issue is still on hold we cannot have peace with israel…
salam
20. kouwatje | November 24th, 2008 at 10:51 pm
oh yeah you took control of the mountains in less than three hours wow, keep dreaming you couldn’t even take control of a road leading from one Shiite village to another
anyway by spitting on you and on your culture or anything else , am not insulting, am just putting you were you belong
as for the history lesson , 10x for nothing cause you should know your own history
1st if you are talking that Israel wants a land from nil to furat well that’s just a dream like you guys dream of a Shiite region similar maybe to old Persia kingdom like we dream of a Christian state in the middle east , but all of that are just dreams
what really matters is what’s really happening and as you said :
” Israel have lunched huge wars against Lebanon in 1978, 1982, 1994, 1996, and 2006 killing hundreds of thousands of Lebanese and occupied different parts of our country between 1978 and 2000… ”
well here it is you have proven my point
1978 – 1982 : Israel VS fata7
1982 – 2day : Israel VS Hezbollah
as long as there is a militia in south Lebanon that wants to fight Israel as long as the Israeli attacks will continue , can’t your mind understand that , no it can’t cause that what you guys are brainwashed for.
As for your heroic achievements:
before 2006: Hezbollah was all over the south showing off his weapons every where Hasan saying speeches live in front the people were they can see him.
After 2006: Hezbollah is hiding his weapons Hasan is hiding underground doesnt dare to go and meet anybody even his own people.
as for your challenge let me tell you something about that:
from 1975 till 1990: all the world was fighting against us , we were alone against Syria , Palestinians , Islamism , Shiites , even Christians , the soviet union was against us , the US was making deals against us , we had nobody on our side but a weapon in hand and a cross in the other and we stood fought and stayed and no one could destroy us.
what is the situation 2day : everybody with us against you guys so do the calculations azizi
21. ja3far | November 24th, 2008 at 11:06 pm
fuziad… one more thing to add..
u may diferentiate with HA ideologicaly.. i may see mistakes and criticise them… bass one of the main reason i believe in nassrollah is his honesty and that he meet his promisses..
for me, when he made the definition of al mal al nazeef and said he is calling it like that because the doners dont want anything in return…i believe him…
till now he didnt let me down.. and honestly i dont think he will..
salam
22. danny | November 24th, 2008 at 11:14 pm
I will not comment but I’ll let the words speak for themselves…
This is for our HA preachers Sammy and Doc…Whereas you were trying to spread rumours IN VAIN about a FPM and Kataeb in 2009 elections…
Here’s the comment from the village idiot…
“Aoun went on to say that the alliance should “fear the opening of their corruption files,” and he added that he would not reconcile with one prominent alliance figure, Kataeb Party leader Amin Gemayel, “unless he apologizes publicly to me and to those whom I represent….
http://www.nowlebanon.com/NewsArticleDetails.aspx?ID=68411
Stop hallucinating or instigating! It will not work!
23. ja3far | November 24th, 2008 at 11:22 pm
kouwatji … bhaneek 3ala ma3loumitak al 3azimi…
jumblat became ghandi wssar badou yeharir al kodouss micheen sawed 3youna …
u dont want to read about the israeli attacks between 1936 till 1978 it is up to u … were the MEA planes destoyed in beirut airport in 1968 palestinians planes?
you want to hide your head under the ground it is up to you… you want to choose the forth option it is also up to you…
all what i can say that if you are fighting against us and it is a right cause allah yonissrak
good luck ya 3azizi
24. ja3far | November 24th, 2008 at 11:24 pm
kouwatji … congratulation for your very accurate information
jumblat became ghandi and want to liberate palestine for the beauty of our eyes
…
u dont want to read about the israeli attacks between 1936 till 1978 it is up to u … were the MEA planes destoyed in beirut airport in 1968 palestinians planes?
you want to hide your head under the ground it is up to you… you want to choose the forth option it is also up to you…
all what i can say that if you are fighting against us and it is a right cause may god give you victory
good luck ya 3azizi
25. Fuziyad | November 24th, 2008 at 11:35 pm
Ja3far, did you say that if hezb attacks israel because it bombed iran you would stop supporting them?? get ready then habibna, you want a yassar democrati card or LF doghré??
26. danny | November 25th, 2008 at 12:17 am
Here’s another voice from the Orange juice stall:
http://www.naharnet.com/domino/tn/NewsDesk.nsf/getstory?openform&B7A9FCD670CE4732C225750B0027DB97
It seems that the claounies are perturbed that WJ visited Bkirki…So they attack…then they attack…Digging up the past and attack…
These people seem to be totally disoriented!
Nothing to offer in terms of constructive nature to the people!! How bankrupt!!
27. Rima | November 25th, 2008 at 12:53 am
YOU SEE GUYS THAT IS ANOTHER SYMBOLIC GESTURE FROM HA.
THAT TELLS YOU THAT WE DO NOT HAVE ONE LEBANON AND THAT THEY DO NOT CONSIDER THEMSELVES A PART OF THE ARMY WHICH MEANS A PART OF THIS COUNTRY…
KHALASS BA2A YALLA OR FEDERALIYEH OR TOUKSSIM…WALLA HA IS NOT READY YET FOR SUCH A MOVE COZ THEY WANT THE MONEY AND SERVICES FLLOWING FROM THE MOST PRODUCTIVE TO THE LEAST PRODUCTIVE!
WALLA SHE 3AJIB HAL BALAD
28. danny | November 25th, 2008 at 1:01 am
Rima,
Right on. They want the cake and eat it too!! Why leave the lucrative Lebanese Government’s payroll that bankrolls half of Amal militia? why indded when you can have free electricity…etc.
N,
We are still waiting the answer to the simple question: Why was HA not present at the Independence ceremonies?
I’ll tell you why?…Because they do not recognize Lebanon as an independent state!
29. Rima | November 25th, 2008 at 1:07 am
have you all had a chance to read what el Jouzzo proposed lately? Maybe Danny knows (See FROM BEIRUT TO TEH BELTWAY)
somehow he used the same excuse of HA and suggested that all young people to be armed and trained to defend Lebanon against Israel….!!!
30. Doc 1559 | November 25th, 2008 at 4:11 am
Danny
I was only throwing some considerations(fmp/kateeb allaince) on the table. Remember I am free to say whatever I wanna say.
Ba3den, what’s wrong with a political reconciliation between Fpm and kateeb ? Why are you mad about it ? Arent you a christian? I was being positive when I thought about such allianve between the 2 men (aoun and amin) but now I know how much you guys love eachothers
at least on the kateeb side bcoz FPM is more like lebanese movement than a christian one, aoun is more a lebanese leader than a maronite one.. anyway, why doesnt Amin apologize to GENERAL AOUN and get it over with? Shouldn’t he be the better man and make such move? I think amin should work on RAJE3 AL MIYAH 2ILA MAJARIHA and apologize the same way Samir did
, eh?
The dictionary defines the English word “reconcile” to mean: to unite; to bring back into harmony; to settle; to make consistent or compatible and this is what FPM and HA alliance are all about ! We are not spreading LIES AND RUMORS AS YOU SAID. We (me and ja3far li bitdalak thejmo) are here to give our opinion , nothing else (sma7leh ja3far 3m bi7ke bi issmak, isteze inta) ..
At last, we are not hallucinating nor instigating, we are giving our opinion ! You as a christian man should be happy that we’re asking for a reconciliation among you
Thank you w ra7 niba2 houn mahma al 3lam 2alu !
31. Doc 1559 | November 25th, 2008 at 4:17 am
Danny
kelna general ya danny , isslem w massi7iye… We’re all in for GMA , we all in for the uniter !
allez FPM allez, Nchala a clean sweeep…
32. Ra'fat | November 25th, 2008 at 4:32 am
Doc it is not about uniting for the sake of unity, because that is really garbage. We are against aoun because he went against his own principles, the principles that we believe in. I think we would like nothing more than being united, but the cause should unite us first before just signing papers. If aoun gets his mind back and realizes that Christians still harbor a lot of negativity towards Syria, and that it is too soon for what he is doing (and hopefully the coming elections will be a wake up call). Why should we offer the Syrians peace after all they did to us? it might be tough for you to understand because all they did was support certain groups while they were stepping on our necks. Yes we will move on and forgive, but now is too soon. So again, we are with unity, but unity of principal first. Plus aoun really can’t work with anyone, you put him in any group and he behaves kaannou el issa killa, but that is another issue. The current issue is similar to Israel signing a peace treaty with Lebanon, Iran and Syria, and then having Nasrallah go the next day and shake the Israeli’s hand and declare the relations normal and let bygones be bygones. Nasrallah will never do that because he is a man of principal, and that is precisely my point. Wounds need time to heal, and part of being a leader is understanding your people’s sacrifices and acting as their voice. All the soldiers he sent to their deaths are turning in their graves.
33. Rima | November 25th, 2008 at 4:48 am
“Nasrallah will never do that because he is a man of principal, and that is precisely my point. ”
Ya Ra afat lamman Nassrallah’s masters bi ouloulou rouh saleih bi rouh mittel el chatter.Ayya principles? walaou halla2 nasrallah mich 3eireif innou Israel is begging for peace with its neighbours and is not seeking war. Not because they love us coz it is the “ECONOMY STUPID!” as Clinton said.
They know that peace creates investments, boosts tourism and brings prosperity…mich mittel hal cha3eib el ma3attar bi jnawoub…bi ouloulou yalla Israel is yur ennemy so bi sadeik…! Just after the Palestinians were kicked out of the South, the Shiaas were the first to praise the Israelis! Yalla ma bit rouh illa 3ala el ma3attar and HA’s leaders are living like kings and send their kids to have bright education in the West and yet bi sibbou bi America..awaloun Doc.
Cheers
34. Rima | November 25th, 2008 at 4:51 am
By the way, the fact that we have divisions among Christians is a helathy sign…it means we are not sectarians and we follow what we beleive is good for Lebanon whether being neutral, joining Hariri or HA…even though Aounists are totally misled by this opportunistic Aoun!
35. Doc 1559 | November 25th, 2008 at 5:05 am
rafaat
you quoted : The current issue is similar to Israel signing a peace treaty with Lebanon, Iran and Syria, and then having Nasrallah go the next day and shake the Israeli’s hand and declare the relations normal and let bygones be bygones
I say: Did it go to this level between you and aoun?? Remember HA and israell are enemies., you and aoun are political rivals..you guys still live 2gether , married to each others and go to the same school. No rafaat , this was a very bad example of yours..unless you consider aoun your enemy! Do you? I hope not !
Also, I have been noticing lately that you , rodge and N10452 have been talking more and more about your principles rather than your political affiliation which is great ! I highly respect that and I wish you luck finding the man who can perfectly fit these principles…
As for the principles between aoun and the christians. La2 rafaat, i have to disagree here, the principle of give and take is the principle of diplomacy ya3ne give one and take ten.. la aoun wla li christians are anywhere near their principles… I also want you to keep in mind that AOUN’S principles are not christian principles. Aoun and the party behind him dont represent themselves as a christian party, thety are called al tayyar al WATANI AL 7OR not al tayyar al massi7i al 7or, therefore, aoun has no busniness trying to go back to his mind (as you say) , aoun has his mind set at this time and no need for him to go backward… Going backward will only hurt the guy, I like aoun the uniter now days than aoun the divider back then..( he divided to stop the ouwet gangsterism 20 yrs ago)
Quote : The first principle is that you must not fool yourself and you are the easiest person to fool. ya3ne lets not fool ourselves here talking about principles..
Good comment rafaat and always thank you for being a smart man..
36. Ra'fat | November 25th, 2008 at 5:15 am
Rima
“Yalla ma bit rouh illa 3ala el ma3attar and HA’s leaders are living like kings and send their kids to have bright education in the West and yet bi sibbou bi America..awaloun Doc.” is such a true statement, they come here and talk shit about the USA all the time, but they refuse to leave laanou most of them will end up without a job in Lebanon, or will have to sacrifice their standard of living greatly. It angers me to no end how hypocritical these people are. They curse the country that gave them the opportunity for a better life, the opportunity to live in peace and prosper.
As for Nasrallah, I do not like the guy, and disagree with him on everything. But I personally think he is a man of honor, true asyedou byithakkamou fi, but he knows his limits and never misspeaks. Whether we agree with him or not, he is a very effective leader that has managed to craft a very good image for himself among his supporters.
37. Ra'fat | November 25th, 2008 at 5:39 am
Doc, maybe I was not very clear, the issue is not us and aoun it is syria and aoun. Currently the relationship of Israel with HA is the same as the relationship of the Christians with Syria. The parallel I was making is that it is too soon right now to pretend that bygones are bygones because the Christians are still sore, just as it would be very soon for HA to do so if there was peace, people need time to heal, and I don’t think aoun understands that. Eventually we need to do this, it is only logical to turn the page with syria, it is just bad timing in my opinion. Also, to unite, first you need to represent, and at the moment aoun does not know who he represents. It is al tayyar al watani el hour just like joumblat has el hizb el eshtraki and the sunni’s have the future movement. Names mean nothing, look at the base, the tayyar is 98% christians, so its leader should represent the aspirations of its constituents. He wants to represent other people that is fine, but he will lose the current base if he does so. People support leaders only when these leaders represent them and represent their goals. A true uniter is someone that absorbs the aspirations of all the people that he represents and then becomes a symbol of the cause. Aoun currently has not cause, he is throwing shit out there and trying to see what sticks.
38. Che | November 25th, 2008 at 5:44 am
In the aftermath of independence day, “the biggest display of travestying fanfare,” which was purposefully boycotted by Hezbollah that does recognize Lebanon, the puppet Suleiman, president-in-transition of wilayat al faqih rushes to Iran, Hezbollah’s mother-of-pearl. This visit is an invitation for a new & long-term OCCUPATION of Lebanon by an islamist & fascist country, through formal diplomacy. Welcome the Islamofacist state of Iran to Lebanon for years of occupation under the pretext of:
1- Highway development and maybe underground development of chemical weapons. Grave mistake # 1: Thousands of Revolutionary Guards disguised as workers will occupy Lebanon.
2- Removal of cluster bombs from south Lebanon, which means PERMANENT OCCUPATION of the South by the Revolutionary Guards.
3- Befriending Lebanon as a nation, which is a golden opportunity for the Revolutionary Guards to dig their heels and antagonize the Sunnis once they establish Lebanon as a permanent satellite in the Iranian orbit.
Suleiman is #1 enemy of Lebanon, carbon copy of Hezbollah!
39. Rima | November 25th, 2008 at 6:12 am
Ra’fat
I think that Nasrallah genuinly beleives that by allying himself to Iran he is doing his people a favour. He is giving them social welfare and political power in Lebanon. However, he failed to notice that he is setting a precedent and a bad role model for other Lebanese sects and parties to do likewise. What Jouzzou said lately about arming and training people is illustrative of what is the future of Lebanon from now on. The 7 of May incident proves to everyone that our national army is useless and that the only way to protect ourselves is through personal weaponery…I personally think the army is a waste of money and efforts and if it does not prove itself Lebanon is gradually sliding into a civil war whether we like or not…MICH KILL MARRA BI TISSLAM EL JARRA!
40. Rima | November 25th, 2008 at 6:17 am
For those who beleive that a civil war is improbable just look at the recent history of Lebanon to know that shipping weapons to Lebanon to different factions is a piece of cake!
41. Strom | November 25th, 2008 at 7:21 am
Doc
Allah ma3oo khyana doc , ma 7adan ghayrak inteh bifichile khil2eh ! yeslam timak.
Your 14 & 35 are powerful . I loved 14 , very true.
42. Michele | November 25th, 2008 at 8:16 am
Doc, Amine should apologize for what?
Why doesn’t Aoun start by apologizing to all the Lebanese?
Do u seriously think that this guy is representing all the Lebanese? So why does he always give us the impression that he’s doing everything to protect the Christians n get their rights back? (according to him of course).
His daughter told me that one of the reasons in allying wz HA is because they are barbarians n too many (the shiite) so her father had to get close to protect the christians from them (which we all agree that this is BS).
43. Michele | November 25th, 2008 at 8:23 am
Seriously sometimes I wonder if the Christians leaders were truly smart when they decided one to ally wz the sunnis n the other to the Shiite; as whenever i meet a muslim Lebanese sunni or shia n knows i’m christian they look at me as “min jame3eton”, they fail to forget i was already min jame3eton as long as i’m holding a Lebanese passport n believe in the sovereignity of my country.
PS: Doc, if Aoun really cares about all the lebanese he should stop bashing the sunnis.
44. ja3far | November 25th, 2008 at 9:01 am
Rafaat… i quote u and rima saying:
Yalla ma bit rouh illa 3ala el ma3attar and HA’s leaders are living like kings and send their kids to have bright education in the West and yet bi sibbou bi America..awaloun Doc.” is such a true statement, they come here and talk shit about the USA
what are you talking about guys?
HA leaders : ragheb Hareb was killed by the israelies…
Abass La moussawi : was killed with his wife and son by the israelies.
Moghnieh: was killed by the israelies .. his son is walking on the same road
Nassrollah: his son died while fighting the israelies.. he dreams day and night of getting the honor from god of being chosen as a martyr ( of course some stupid people here think he is hiding because he is scared)
na3eem Kassim: his son was badly injured while fighting the israelies on the borders in maroun al rass ..
and we always said that we respect the american people and lot of the laws that govern the american relation with each others… what we are against is the way the american are dealing with other countries and people…
salam
45. ja3far | November 25th, 2008 at 9:09 am
fuziad… i said the second i see or believe that HA are putting the benefits of other country on the benefits of the people they love and their families i will stop supporting them… bombing iran or others..
wa ba3deen yassar dimocrati daf3a wihdi ??? ino ilias attallah ?? leech sou sayer bil dini
salam
46. Rima | November 25th, 2008 at 9:46 am
Jaafar
You failed to mention hundreds of military and civilian leaders who are benefitting from the support of HA in many many ways especially those who are specialised bi tahrib el selah!
No one follows a militia for free!
47. ja3far | November 25th, 2008 at 9:59 am
rima… u are right in the first part .. but you were talking about the major leadership… and i have mentioned them in my comment to fuziad under dependance day as i said:
and dont forget , that HA present a major economical power, there is lot of business people and .”.rats”.:”who pretend they are following the same ideology just to get benefits..
so we agree for once
people dont join a militia for free … however, no one kill himself for money … u know that the ta3bea force of HA is estimated by 100,000 people ? these people dont work for HA.. i.e they dont get money but are well trained and ready to join the resistance activities whenever needed ..there is lot of missconcepts u have on HA…
by the way all the information and comments are saved on this blog … no need to get an agent to get access to them …:)
salam
48. Fuziyad | November 25th, 2008 at 12:30 pm
mech 3ejbak elias attallah ja3far?? lech? ma tahhar ni3o kféyé?? he fought israel bravely and this is your monopoly?? I proposed the yassar as it is the only party that defends the ideas you pretend to defend…ba3den there is a lot of shiias there which will help you not feeling marginalized on sectarian basis…However it’s true it’s not a comfortable position, Ziyad Majed parents had to leave their village in the south as they were threatened on daily basis by the shourafa thugs(and that one trust is not read in the press…) same thing would have happenned to the parents of Kanj Hamadé(yassar democrati too) if papa Trad wasn’t in HA…
49. ja3far | November 25th, 2008 at 12:54 pm
fuziad .. chou beek btistanfer doghri? i used to know ziad majed in university he is a good fello from iyam al nidal
bass khaye ma 3am yirkabou bi rassi … chou ba3milak… keef zabatou ma3e beet al harriri ma 3am tirkab…
wa ba3deen kin mittar illias yetla3e 3a tripoli to become in the parliment ? and do he really believe ino the people in the poster behind his back from 14 of March went down for him…
khaye he may be a good fellow .. bass ba3ad kteer
)
salam
50. danny | November 25th, 2008 at 1:25 pm
Doc,
Again you have proven that you can not debate calmly. I am not upset. On contraire mon ami, I am elated that guys like you who just talk without any factual reference are exposed to what you are!
That gives me pleasure not anger! I respect opinions not innuendo! As for all Christians unite crap; I am not sectarian like yourself. I’d rather sit with smart human beings with conscience and intellect of any religion and discuss anything!
I discount most what you and Sammy say because it is babble and incoherent,,,
Cheers.
51. Rima | November 25th, 2008 at 1:29 pm
All soldiers, militiamen, and mercenaries of the world are paid in the possibility of dying one day. The ideological impulse is a plus for sure…but as time goes by this HA trend is becomig more like enlisting people in the army to protect the new-born mini-state.
Al Silah LA himayat Al Silah means that exactly. Yalla sahtein 3ala alboukon bass fakrou bil federaliyeh ahssan ma noutbocha bi ba3ed we tfout ikhtna 3alayna min jedid..hayda iza ma feitou el israeliiyeh kammein…Fakeir ma3y ya Jaafar iza baddak mante2…You can trust me coz I never belonged to any party although I am grateful to all LF/Kateb fighters for protecting us during the civil war in the sharkiyeh!
Cheers
52. Doc 1559 | November 26th, 2008 at 4:58 am
rafaat
You put principles first. Good for you , we need more of you in lebanon.
You dont seem to understand what aoun is trying to do. You more concerned about who and when will be the next time you’ll see a bashir around eventhough I strongly beleive that bashir was not the perfect man for the job just like obma in america, 2 young who doesnt know much about america. You dont seem to understand that lebanon must be led by a christian man (the president) who must put the lebanese cause first.. Who must beleive in 3ych muchtarak and musala7a..
my freind, ya, aoun does represent the christians by far and this is exaclty the way it should be (ra2iss lebnen lezim ykun massi7e). What I think is the following :
*Aoun has the liberal christian vote in lebanon. I really dont remember the last time I saw aoun at a church. 2ino chi mara smi3tu 7iki ta2fiyeh?2ino look at his supporters, they sound so secular 2 me..
* Kateeb and other minorities are al mu3tadilin MAYBE..
* Ouwet are the radical right wing conservatives.. always have been and always will be in the future.
My point is this, Christians are more liberal now days than they are conservatives, therefore aoun will remain in power for a good while b4 we witness a change..
At last, I wuld like to remind you of a chritsian saying i heard 2tody on my way to work : If the blind lead the blind, both shall fall in the ditch (Jesus)…. I highly beleive that some of the christians in lebanon have been following a blind guy name samir geagea 3chen hek they end up in the ditch .
53. Doc 1559 | November 26th, 2008 at 5:09 am
Michele
I am sick of your negativity ..anyway,
you say:
Do u seriously think that this guy is representing all the Lebanese? So why does he always give us the impression that he’s doing everything to protect the Christians n get their rights back? (according to him of course).
I say : bcoz his support is mainly and by far christian, uff chu zakiye ya michele!! Again we beleive in the lebanese leadership, we want a president who can unite us!
As for his daughter , lol, we follow the man not his baby! HA is Beneficiary for aoun so is aoun to HA
… it goes both side.
54. Doc 1559 | November 26th, 2008 at 5:14 am
3la al sari3, la2inik you gonna change the subject into IRAN AND HA W DA7WE w blabla like you always do ,
bil 3rabeh
ana ma khassne bi HA wla bayyeh wla imeh keno HA. Ana b7eb al jema3 la2inun chourafa w ass7ab adiye!
Ana la byijine massrahe la min berri wla min HA. ana zalameh i work full time and i pay for my own school!!
ana zalame kinet policeman abel ma ghayir career ya3ne safe7te ndifeh ma3 al amerken.
RIMA, khalss ba2, mich kell al shiaa mitel ma inte mfakriton.. 3yb 3layke bala prejudice ba2!!
Danny
Ok , you da the man..
55. Doc 1559 | November 26th, 2008 at 5:14 am
54 for rima
56. Rima | November 26th, 2008 at 5:16 am
“I really dont remember the last time I saw aoun at a church. 2ino chi mara smi3tu 7iki ta2fiyeh?2ino look at his supporters, they sound so secular 2 me..”
So a good Christian president in your book is someone who denies its faith and does not attend a church. Fair enough, so good shiaa leaders are those who we will never see in the Mosque or barking their sickeneing hatred speech!
walla helou!!!!!
Baadein ya shatter iza the 1st amendment in America or the freedom of speech does not have limits so why thE USA banned Al manar in dec 2004. Coz there is sthg called NATIONAL SECURITY ….BASS BADDAK TITFALSAF NEXT TIME CHECK YOUR RESOURCES FIRST.
I wonder who is moutakhaleif here? Ya3ni baddak tloum the West for very rare cases of limitations on the free speech and yet you support Nassralalh( a religious and military and political figure) and Wilayat al Faquih which allows a bunch of religious leaders ruling el 3ibbad…wala amrak 3ajib ya Sahbi.
57. Rima | November 26th, 2008 at 5:32 am
*his faith (although “its” suits better such a traitor)
58. Michele | November 26th, 2008 at 6:50 am
Alloush if u call being realistic is being negative well I’m sorry amigo; can’t deny the facts.
I wish if only once u truly answered my questions; u do reply but not really to te questions i asked.
How could Aoun be a good leader when he doesn’t represent the christians nor the sunnis?
Well as for his baby, well i guess by now u being the zaké i guess u know that kids tend to repeat whatever they hear from the parents
59. unknown | November 27th, 2008 at 5:22 am
Doc 1559
You cut my eye on this blog, you have yur own logic based on your personal experience backed by some pro talk you probably learned at school i.e your quote to raf’at : The first principle is that you must not fool yourself and you are the easiest person to fool. ya3ne lets not fool ourselves here talking about principles..
Doc,Man, you are great at squeezing others in the corner while you pretend to be the innocent JUST LIKE YOUR GENERAL.
I have a question : Is there any hope coming out of aoun? What hope and how?
60. Doc 1559 | November 27th, 2008 at 8:50 am
michele
Stop right here. When did I run away from your questions? For the past week , halaktine bi your silly questions and the silly part is, you think 3M TIZIRKINE in the corner. Walla did you already 4get about your very sensitive question about my past as an active shiaa fpmer
? Did you my answer or no ?
Here you are again with a new question on the same subject .
You say aoun doesnt represent the christians ! I say : Yes he does (at least half of them not 72%), and what I mean by christians here are not only the FPMERS(since we’re talking leadership) ya3ne we can count :
*FPM
*MARADA
*INDEPENDENT (W HINE KTAR)
*SSNP CHRISTIANS (W HINE KTAR)
*LEFT WING CHRISTIANS (W HINE KTAR)
* ARMENIANS (all the anto bashir one w hine ktar)
* and all other minorities inside takatul taghyir wel issla7
Do the above represent more thanb 50% of the leb chritians walla no? I am not talking FPMERS only.
We can apply the same view on the sunnis (all anti hariri are pro aoun now days), but I must admit that the sunni FPMers(fully commited fpm) are very very few , I only know 3 guys! but in this democratic political calcus, aoun doesnt have to represent the majority of the sunnis to become a president or a national leader bcoz tayyar al mustaqbal is split in the middle on how to deal with aoun. ya3ne give me a 30% support among the sunnis from leaders like KARAMEH , YAKAN, SAAD IN SAIDA ect… and I will be happy with it. It would be intereting to know just what the mustaqbal sunnis(FM) will do if KSA was behind all this fata7 al islam delima ??
I am thankfull for this gr8 guy called aoun and no matter how dismal the news or how bleak the future might seem. I am full of hope..Hope for 2moro..
61. Michele | November 27th, 2008 at 9:08 am
Doc, I did not say that u don’t answer my questions, u do but ur answers are seriously not convincing n i’m sure not even convincing u either. U are only repeating like a parrot what u are told to say.
He is representing the INDEPENDANT??!!! Man are u ok? ma they are called I-N-D-E-P-E-N-D-E-N-T!!!!!! Got it or not?
Armenians??? hahahahahaha, that’s hilarious too. U know that armenians are not only represented by Tachnag??!!!
U being a FPM since the 90’s sorry 7aboob but I didn’t buy that cr*p!
Le3ab ghayra!!!!
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