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• 1. Shadow | October 22nd, 2006 at 4:05 pm

  more then 95 % of the christians were under jabha lebneniyeh at the beginning of the civil war, Then Marada Left jabha and followed the syrian regime due to many reasons .in these years the clashes between christians began , Kataeb was the biggest party between all other christian parties , had in a fight with marada in north then Kataeb was kicked out from north by Marada sure with the full help of syrian army and after that a new clash between ahrar and kataeb , kataeb was able to take of all mantaka sharkiyeh under his control but this war i think was a complete failure for kataeb ,A big massacre happened in Safra and many areas kataeb could’nt control it 100% like dbayeh and many people hated kataeb anb turned as kataeb because of that in addition to that we have weakened Chamoun Family and hence Christians in chouf and alley . From here you can see how christian leaders followed their personal goals and they were so individualistic and never worked in a team .In addition to that many fights between same party like hobieka and Samir Geagea and Kataeb George Saadeh and other part of Kataeb. All these fights have weakened christiand presence in Lebanon and lead to heavy christian immigrations to western countries and most of them never returned .

  Now i agree we dont have any strategy for christians and hence all our tacticals depending on the current situation . We all know That Samir Geagea was in jail for almost 12 years and he had been weakened not only physically by syrian regime.Samir Geagea Never talked about this and i respect this in him and he never tried to gain some polularity by talking about what happened in 12 years like michel Aoun is doing when he talks about France. so Any one who sits in a dark room for 12 years without talking to people andduring his stay will be tortured morally and physically then we can undertand what LF leader has passed through . Samir Geagea is giving more then he could and i’m sure that Lebanese Forces will generate many great leader like Samir Geagea and Bachir Gemayel . As lebanese forces supporters we will never leave our leaders specially Samir Geagea after what he had passed through .Regarding Patriarch , he was speaking during these 15 years but who was listening and what powers he has to enforce what he’s saying maronites are not anymore 70 % of lebanese population aounr 750,000 left to Canada , australia , USA …….and never returned .Our patriarch talked about kanoun tajniss and ha2 meghterbine bel teswite w be3 massihiyine aradiyon , hejret massihiyine , waza2ef massihiyeh bel dawleh w 3awdet michel aoun w khourouj samir geagea . I think our Patriarch did his job 100% but we need strong politicians tp suppoert him . at the end tahiyeh la kel shabeb ouwet W la Samir Geagea ka2edna w batalna makhaybna bel hareb w moush lah khayebna bel selem w lal Batrakna 3azim majdou lobnan 2o3tiya lahou . w bheb ehskor kel shabeb ouwet li sherakou bi eddes Dany Chamoun w 3eltou . Haydeh rouh massihiyeh ha2i2eh w tadamoniyeh . badna ktir sheghel 3ala tewhid saf massiheh .

• 2. Ramy Kozaily | October 23rd, 2006 at 1:57 am

  u ca n not blame bkerke and u can not expect from bkerke to set the christian politics of that zoo taht we call a country.

• 3. chris | October 23rd, 2006 at 3:45 am

  Your article make since to me u went throw a lot of issues including small ones and I am pretty sure that u has spent a lot of time writing it. Unfortunately u didn’t mention any solution or suggestion for your problems, u just kept on going on and on same issues just different article. Helpfully on your next article you ‘l think about some solution because this is the only way to solve our problems. You guys need to be united before anything else, bring me some solutions sir and enough talking about same shit but different way. We will never succeeds as long we acting the way we are, this is unacceptable you need to look at others and learn for example the united states of America it is over49 states and they are all united controlling almost the whole entire word go united and then lets sit together…..thank you for your time.

• 4. Jim | October 23rd, 2006 at 9:17 pm

  and thank u for ur english chris!!

• 5. cdds | October 24th, 2006 at 6:50 pm

  very good article n10452 bhannik u r saying the true in this article bravo yaret kellon bi fakkrro mettlak ken el wade3 el massi7eh be alef kheir

• 6. chris | October 26th, 2006 at 9:07 am

  Jim i am an arabic guy not an american wanna be by the way english sucksss according to americans that i lived with for long time.

• 7. Irange | October 26th, 2006 at 4:08 pm

  Dear Friends,

  1- The day Christians start feeling that Lebanon is their Home and they stop acting as if Lebanon is a Hotel, -where whenever a better offer is received they leave everything and move to another hotel- Our problem start to be solved.
  WHRE IS your Belonging Christians? Our parents died in this land and for this land. Swear to God some French people living in Lebanon love it and want to stay in it more than many many Lebanese Christians.

  2- The day Christians start to respect their Patriarch and stop attacking their bishops, like Michel Aoun w Slaymen Franjieh and their followers do, the Church will be respected. But when you attack your church, what you expect from others to do. Did anyone of you heard one of hizballah leaders attacking “Ali el Amine” although he is on the opposite side and attack them more than Samir Geagea do?

  3- The Day Christians start to use their minds and stop being sheep’s and following a person like Michel Aoun who is going against all their views for the country, a person making deals with the true people that threaten their presence in this country and this area. And here yes, Saad el Harrir w Walid Jounblat are 1000000000 better than michel aoun allies, you know why. 1st because they look for Lebanon first and share our vision for future Lebanon and yes we have to believe them because they were affected as much as we are. 2- because to be more logic, druzes live better with Christians because we are both minorities and we share the same culture of point of view birth, education…
  And as for the sunniest of Tayyar el moustakbal those people are liberalist they care for business and investments and they want their country to flourish, secondly as long as their proposals aren’t against ours we don’t have to go into fights with them. On more thing they prefer to live with Druze and Christians than to live with Shiite.

  4- Please wake up, it’s our land, do you accept that you leave your wives or your children for some strange people so why you accept to leave your land

• 8. Haririst.. | October 26th, 2006 at 11:41 pm

  I honestly disagree with you…First of all, one of the best leaders so far in the political ground that speaks not for the christians but speaks for the 14 march, meaning three quarters of the Lebanese. He is one of the people that is saying the correct things and in the right way. His vision is correct and leading the, i dont like to use such words, christians, the right way.
  I am against talking about history, war and all this. The most thing I am against is to talk about what CHRISTIAN wants and what MUSLIMS wants and what zeft wants. Why don’t you write in part III what LEBANESE wants, as the majority of us are being represented in the government and in the parliament. This is only if you don’t want other than christians to read your articles, then I would respectively stop reading and leave.
  All what I want to say, is that in the elections that occured, akkar, dnnyeh proved they are against ta2fyeh and thats how strida ga3ga3 got such number. The same with Dr. Qassem Abdulaziz who got 94/95 thousand votes proving that Bshari also voted “zay ma hyeh” and not deleting muslim names. Guys grow up, stop thinking this way. You are talking about aoun and his followers. If you see, Aoun since he came back from France and he has been talking about ta2fyeh..look at el 7akeem…where did he go for Eid? Mefty Lobnan right? what does that mean? it means a lot for us as it means a lot in the eyes of everyone. U should be the same man. the more we unite the more aoun/hzballah and their followers will feel how cockroaches they are. well i guess they already do but still hahaha..
  Yallah peace guys and i hope you got my point..
  bel neheyeh ne7na lbnenyeh ya game3t elkheir w 3ahed mny elkon eno 2idayna mwa7deh w ra7 dala mwa7deh w ya metl el TOTO mr.TANG byegy ybawes sbabitna ya 7aydalo khesran.
  As for bkerki man well they cannot go against aoun as they also b masel shari7a masi7yeh wlaw kenet 2a2alyeh..but almost every thing he says, sounds that he fully supports 14 march which means he is 2owatgy darageh 1..haha..w aoun w tizi franjyeh should be ashamed of insulting bkerky .. am i right or no? the same as karameh when he insulted the mefty…thousands of people automatically gave him the middle finger.
  khalina mwa7deen w mete7deen wnqawem el syrians wnqawem kel hal rubbish people mn felestinyeh la syrians la pro syrians w nebny dawletna b 2idayna mn doun tadakhol w btari2a democratyeh b3ideh 3an el ta2fyeh…w hell with every ta2efy b ard lobnan..

• 9. Ramy Kozaily | October 27th, 2006 at 4:49 pm

  haririst cause this site name is ouwet.com not lebanese .com and ouwet is a christian party so its obvious that w be are going to write about christian if the site was march 14 it would more logic to write about lebanese but we see ur point but in this site out market sector is mainely christian problems by the wat u are welcome here enjoy by adding ur opp have a nice day
  Salem il massih ya chabeb

• 10. N10452 | October 27th, 2006 at 10:50 pm

  Haririst,
  No one is denying the advantages of the alliance we did with Hariri but is it a balanced alliance?

  Why did the government wait for Aoun to react to give Christian villagers from the Mountain war their money ?

  Why did the government appoint new ambassadors without meeting LF and others ?

  etc etc …
  We have a lack of leadership that is harming our society.

• 11. Shadow | October 29th, 2006 at 9:26 am

  Haririst ,

  Your most welcome to post on Ouwet website anytime you want. but your reply disapointed me , Instead of sharing your thoughts with us , You have dealt with this problem as it is christian problem and it is not related to you . This is what we used to think before ,If an explosion happened in east beirut this is a problem for East beirut only , and if any problem happened in south it is a problem for people who lives in south so we are not concerned . I would remind you that we are allies and Lebanese Forces never dealt with Hariri assasination as it is Problem for Sunnite , on the contrary Samir Geagea in all his speeches he always insists that People who killed Hariri should be prosecuted . So as we are in Lebanese Forces and most of LF are christians we have to speak about our problems and share thoughts with all People . We are a small minority in this big Middle east that will begin on the border of Iran and end on the border of Turkey .I do’t want to speak about what happened in the past let us speak now .
  1)Can you tell me why Mountain refugees did not return till now after 23 years ?
  2)Can you tell me now te3yinet bi waza3ef dawlet christians mob3adine and Lebanese Forces (Joe Sarkis) had returned the apoointments list many times .
  3) can you tell me why in all bridges work began and in Kesrwan situation still remained the same ?

  and many many …..

• 12. Haririst.. | October 29th, 2006 at 11:19 pm

  all what i meant is exactly what Shadow meant that we all should be concerned with such issues and try to solve it. All what i meant was why shall it be “what christians want” and not what all of us want. I mean your concerns are our concerns..our concerns are your concerns..
  Ramy took it offendable..yes i understand this is owet and not lebanese.com but you are contradicting what Shadow said about el7akeem..and one more thing this is ouwet.com and not christian.com cuz i like & support ouwet if not more than future..peace on u bro.
  Shadow i was answering back some quote attacking el7akeem..and i was saying that el7akeem is one of the best and strongest politicians out of all of them…the vision, the strategy he is using..everything..I question myself the same questions and I am against hariri for first of all not using the aktharyeh el nyebyeh…starting with having nabih berri, not kicking out lahoud, not choosing a president that 14 march wants…didn’t we WE AS LEBANESE (for some ta2ifyeh like ramy) gave 28 seats in the north…gave tazkyeh in beirut..
  I also question even before all this..I am going back to the elections..why did such a small % of the ouwet elect…less than 40% sherako bel entikhabet..y3nee if you really did all of u go for it i doubt aoun would have gotten all this..
  anyways don’t get me wrong here guys…kelna mowatneen w kelna 3am n3eesh kel she…laish ma zabato el gesser laish w laish w laish w laish n7aramna 30 years in tripoli…personally ana mn 3akkar…my issue is the same as a christian in 3akkar..right or am i wrong?? then where is the electricity where is the water…
  why are we stuck in the report of the UN..y3nee we can’t proceed in life until we find out who killed hariri..yes ok we should change the president and that should have been from the beginning..tayeb laish ta sha3b yekol ghaltet 14 march..
  i am with Safadi in the t3yeenet…i mean he said most of the embassadors were from Tripoli..eno sho bado a7la mn heik..bass he was against sanioura and against future because of not revising this issue with everyone and everyone chooses who they want for such positions..so i also have the same questions as you as it is also a concern for me..
  i hope you get what i mean and understand my intentions..
  3eshtom w 3asha lobnan

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