Comments on: The New Hakim and the new LF … http://www.ouwet.com/n10452/editorials/the-new-hakim-and-the-new-lf/ Personal Views and opionions of Lebanese Forces members Mon, 13 Oct 2008 22:55:42 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.5.1 By: Mar Yuhanna Maroun http://www.ouwet.com/n10452/editorials/the-new-hakim-and-the-new-lf/#comment-304189 Mar Yuhanna Maroun Sun, 13 Apr 2008 12:24:09 +0000 http://www.ouwet.com/n10452/editorials/the-new-hakim-and-the-new-lf/#comment-304189 N10452, The history of Lebanon teach a lot. We always forget that we are a part of the Middle East naturaly (Near east). The bigining of our problems is Isreal getting Palestine and Than we get F**** having those in our country! 3ain Ma bitewem Makhraz! What you need us to do? Making everybody against us like Aoun? Today the Lebanese problem is regional and we can be out of it and beleive me it is better to be a part. What is worng to be friends with the Saudi's, Egypt and Jordania? Do you remember what Isreal did in 2006? Do you think they care about christians and muslim in this country? I have Jewish friends and everytime we talk politics they begin to tell me that we are all the same (christian and muslim) . This is them, they hate everybody. I am LF and I don't like Edwan and all this bunch of LF board but unlucky we are that Geagea as in the Jail for 11 years and now we are paying this damage. N10452, continue your blog and we will continue reading you...but maybe reflect that you are sometime out of mind and hurry to criticize and specially internally... N10452,

The history of Lebanon teach a lot. We always forget that we are a part of the Middle East naturaly (Near east).

The bigining of our problems is Isreal getting Palestine and Than we get F**** having those in our country!

3ain Ma bitewem Makhraz!
What you need us to do? Making everybody against us like Aoun? Today the Lebanese problem is regional and we can be out of it and beleive me it is better to be a part.

What is worng to be friends with the Saudi’s, Egypt and Jordania?

Do you remember what Isreal did in 2006? Do you think they care about christians and muslim in this country?

I have Jewish friends and everytime we talk politics they begin to tell me that we are all the same (christian and muslim) . This is them, they hate everybody.

I am LF and I don’t like Edwan and all this bunch of LF board but unlucky we are that Geagea as in the Jail for 11 years and now we are paying this damage.

N10452, continue your blog and we will continue reading you…but maybe reflect that you are sometime out of mind and hurry to criticize and specially internally…

]]> By: Bachir 7ay Fina http://www.ouwet.com/n10452/editorials/the-new-hakim-and-the-new-lf/#comment-303959 Bachir 7ay Fina Sun, 13 Apr 2008 09:11:02 +0000 http://www.ouwet.com/n10452/editorials/the-new-hakim-and-the-new-lf/#comment-303959 N 1) Ma fi marra 7ada sa2al l7akim iza tkhalla 3an fekrit el federalism w 2al yes. ye3ne houwe bi kel basata ma3 el federalism. 2) Nouweb el ouwet like adwan and joe sarkis n7ato mech men 2ebal el 7akim, hakim ken bel 7abes lama tna2o. 3) how many times hakim nta2ad HA li 2ano hadafo y7arir el koukaz w kel el douwal el eslemiyeh ??? 4) beb el entiseb lal ouwet mech maftou7 la min ma bado : ye3neh bi kel basata ana ma chefet 7ada ma3 el hariri ntasab lal ouwet metel ma 3am ya3emlo el tayyar la ykatro el 3adad. 5) kelna mna3rif eno ta7alofna ma3 el mousta2bal wel 2echtirakeh mano mni7, khsouseh li ano elo seia ma3 el mourabitoun wel tou7id w kel hal zbélé bas iza tarakna 14march chou bi sir ??? N
1) Ma fi marra 7ada sa2al l7akim iza tkhalla 3an fekrit el federalism w 2al yes. ye3ne houwe bi kel basata ma3 el federalism.

2) Nouweb el ouwet like adwan and joe sarkis n7ato mech men 2ebal el 7akim, hakim ken bel 7abes lama tna2o.

3) how many times hakim nta2ad HA li 2ano hadafo y7arir el koukaz w kel el douwal el eslemiyeh ???

4) beb el entiseb lal ouwet mech maftou7 la min ma bado : ye3neh bi kel basata ana ma chefet 7ada ma3 el hariri ntasab lal ouwet metel ma 3am ya3emlo el tayyar la ykatro el 3adad.

5) kelna mna3rif eno ta7alofna ma3 el mousta2bal wel 2echtirakeh mano mni7, khsouseh li ano elo seia ma3 el mourabitoun wel tou7id w kel hal zbélé bas iza tarakna 14march chou bi sir ???

]]> By: B.R http://www.ouwet.com/n10452/editorials/the-new-hakim-and-the-new-lf/#comment-303669 B.R Sun, 13 Apr 2008 05:49:34 +0000 http://www.ouwet.com/n10452/editorials/the-new-hakim-and-the-new-lf/#comment-303669 Bye bye Lf principle. Welcome Haririst. Bye bye Lf principle. Welcome Haririst.

]]> By: Samir http://www.ouwet.com/n10452/editorials/the-new-hakim-and-the-new-lf/#comment-303377 Samir Sun, 13 Apr 2008 02:39:51 +0000 http://www.ouwet.com/n10452/editorials/the-new-hakim-and-the-new-lf/#comment-303377 N and all rife2 critisizing the LF team today. Noone disagrees that the LF isnt working as one could have expected, the Christians are too weak and divided, and the LF team only has 5 MPs and 1 minister. Anyways, thats not my point, my point is in critisizing VP Adwan. I agree, despite all the hard work hes done, sometimes hes a little clumsy and gets lost in his words. It is incorrect to say that we are Syrias ally, and I wish you listen well to Hakims words. During all his tour in USA, Hakim was asking for Lebanon to be neutral in the Israel/Irano Arab war, Hakim was asking that Lebanon not be used for this war, because Lebanon has nothing to do with it. But wether we like it or not, is Lebanon influences, used, paying the price for such a war ? The decision is clear, and it is paying. I agree, VP Adwan is doing some mistakes. Unfortunately, i fail to read on this blog when VP Adwan asks for the money of the displaced of the mountains, when he critisizes ally FM and Sanioura for their behaviour, for their lack of political maturity despite good position towards Syria .. I have no doubt you are a rafi2, and noone can come and say you are not allowed to critisize, but i you should see things in both eyes, and write both good and bad things the LF current team is doing, and not just their mistakes. Allah Ouwet. N and all rife2 critisizing the LF team today. Noone disagrees that the LF isnt working as one could have expected, the Christians are too weak and divided, and the LF team only has 5 MPs and 1 minister. Anyways, thats not my point, my point is in critisizing VP Adwan. I agree, despite all the hard work hes done, sometimes hes a little clumsy and gets lost in his words. It is incorrect to say that we are Syrias ally, and I wish you listen well to Hakims words. During all his tour in USA, Hakim was asking for Lebanon to be neutral in the Israel/Irano Arab war, Hakim was asking that Lebanon not be used for this war, because Lebanon has nothing to do with it.

But wether we like it or not, is Lebanon influences, used, paying the price for such a war ? The decision is clear, and it is paying.

I agree, VP Adwan is doing some mistakes.

Unfortunately, i fail to read on this blog when VP Adwan asks for the money of the displaced of the mountains, when he critisizes ally FM and Sanioura for their behaviour, for their lack of political maturity despite good position towards Syria ..

I have no doubt you are a rafi2, and noone can come and say you are not allowed to critisize, but i you should see things in both eyes, and write both good and bad things the LF current team is doing, and not just their mistakes.

Allah Ouwet.

]]> By: N10452 http://www.ouwet.com/n10452/editorials/the-new-hakim-and-the-new-lf/#comment-302852 N10452 Sat, 12 Apr 2008 21:00:32 +0000 http://www.ouwet.com/n10452/editorials/the-new-hakim-and-the-new-lf/#comment-302852 Ziad, I didnt get anything mixed up .. i ve read Bashir over and over and spoke to many many of his advisors and comrads .. Bashir knew Federalism or decentralization was the only way out .. and the Saydit el Bir " The lebanon that we want" says it all .. Bashir & Chamoun opposed the Syrian invasion in 1976 and Pierre came back from his decision and supported Bashir. As for now, u dont have to be strong to ask for federalism or whatever else ... The point is that you have a project in mind and you work for it based on what u have .. but at least you have a clear vision of what you are after ... this is where HA excelled and we failed ... Ziad,
I didnt get anything mixed up .. i ve read Bashir over and over and spoke to many many of his advisors and comrads .. Bashir knew Federalism or decentralization was the only way out .. and the Saydit el Bir ” The lebanon that we want” says it all ..

Bashir & Chamoun opposed the Syrian invasion in 1976 and Pierre came back from his decision and supported Bashir.

As for now, u dont have to be strong to ask for federalism or whatever else … The point is that you have a project in mind and you work for it based on what u have .. but at least you have a clear vision of what you are after … this is where HA excelled and we failed …

]]> By: Ziad http://www.ouwet.com/n10452/editorials/the-new-hakim-and-the-new-lf/#comment-302826 Ziad Sat, 12 Apr 2008 20:22:38 +0000 http://www.ouwet.com/n10452/editorials/the-new-hakim-and-the-new-lf/#comment-302826 N, I think you got Bashir,Federalism,10452,and LF ideology all mixed-up.Here are some facts: -Pierre the founder signed the Cairo accord in 1969, Eddeh didn't. -Pierre in 1973 offered to send the Kataeb militia to help the Lebanese army against Israel. -You praise Fedrealism, Bashir spoke of 10452 and Samir and only Samir had the courage to speak about the Kfarshima-Madfoun mini-state, till Aoun blew it up. -Bashir when elected traveled to Taef and met King Fahd, he came back and refused to sign a peace treaty with Begin, thinking he might be another Nasser for the Arab world. -All the Lebanese Front leaders, Chamoun,Gemayyels,Malek,Boustany,etc agreed and welcomed the Syrian army into the Christian areas in 1976 with the exeption of 3(junior)leaders at that time: Fouad Chemali,Abu Arz and yes, George ADWAN! -In all trainig camps I attended since early 70's non of the speakers spoke about Federalism or partitioning. They all preached "tahrir lubnan"(way before Aoun's Tahrir war), meaning liberating Lebanon from Phalestinians.In one of Bashir's speaches I remembner very well how he counted the towns we will liberate mentiong Baalbeck,Saida and Trablous.Samir was way more practical and his objectives were simply the Kfarchima-Madfoun security. -Things are different with Samir now. Like hell it is.Christians are too weak and divided to ask for Federalism or a Christian state. They can't agree on a Mukhtar in a jurd village, you think they will be able to pull an independent territory for them? We have no choice but to support the M14 alliance at the moment and make sure Syria will not regain its influence. N,
I think you got Bashir,Federalism,10452,and LF ideology all mixed-up.Here are some facts:
-Pierre the founder signed the Cairo accord in 1969, Eddeh didn’t.
-Pierre in 1973 offered to send the Kataeb militia to help the Lebanese army against Israel.
-You praise Fedrealism, Bashir spoke of 10452 and Samir and only Samir had the courage to speak about the Kfarshima-Madfoun mini-state, till Aoun blew it up.
-Bashir when elected traveled to Taef and met King Fahd, he came back and refused to sign a peace treaty with Begin, thinking he might be another Nasser for the Arab world.
-All the Lebanese Front leaders, Chamoun,Gemayyels,Malek,Boustany,etc agreed and welcomed the Syrian army into the Christian areas in 1976 with the exeption of 3(junior)leaders at that time: Fouad Chemali,Abu Arz and yes, George ADWAN!
-In all trainig camps I attended since early 70’s non of the speakers spoke about Federalism or partitioning. They all preached “tahrir lubnan”(way before Aoun’s Tahrir war), meaning liberating Lebanon from Phalestinians.In one of Bashir’s speaches I remembner very well how he counted the towns we will liberate mentiong Baalbeck,Saida and Trablous.Samir was way more practical and his objectives were simply the Kfarchima-Madfoun security.
-Things are different with Samir now. Like hell it is.Christians are too weak and divided to ask for Federalism or a Christian state. They can’t agree on a Mukhtar in a jurd village, you think they will be able to pull an independent territory for them? We have no choice but to support the M14 alliance at the moment and make sure Syria will not regain its influence.

]]> By: N10452 http://www.ouwet.com/n10452/editorials/the-new-hakim-and-the-new-lf/#comment-302818 N10452 Sat, 12 Apr 2008 20:14:14 +0000 http://www.ouwet.com/n10452/editorials/the-new-hakim-and-the-new-lf/#comment-302818 libanon, Fortunatelly that is a constant because its a fact ... whether you r gonna admit it or not .. at least i have the courage to critisize .. inta meche wou feyit bil 7et and 3am ti2na3na 2anno ma ra7 yissorlak chi .. libanon,
Fortunatelly that is a constant because its a fact … whether you r gonna admit it or not ..

at least i have the courage to critisize .. inta meche wou feyit bil 7et and 3am ti2na3na 2anno ma ra7 yissorlak chi ..

]]> By: N10452 http://www.ouwet.com/n10452/editorials/the-new-hakim-and-the-new-lf/#comment-302816 N10452 Sat, 12 Apr 2008 20:13:23 +0000 http://www.ouwet.com/n10452/editorials/the-new-hakim-and-the-new-lf/#comment-302816 a5watz, Times change and parties improve .. mich byirja3o la wara wou ma bikhallo wala principle ma bye7er2o deeno ! as for adwan, he is not an LF and zbelit el moujtama3 for me ... his past speaks for itself ... I still wonder chou khasso yikoun VP lal LF . a5watz,
Times change and parties improve .. mich byirja3o la wara wou ma bikhallo wala principle ma bye7er2o deeno !

as for adwan,
he is not an LF and zbelit el moujtama3 for me … his past speaks for itself …

I still wonder chou khasso yikoun VP lal LF .

]]> By: N10452 http://www.ouwet.com/n10452/editorials/the-new-hakim-and-the-new-lf/#comment-302815 N10452 Sat, 12 Apr 2008 20:12:17 +0000 http://www.ouwet.com/n10452/editorials/the-new-hakim-and-the-new-lf/#comment-302815 Johny.B, The new LF as in the LF party .. LF will never change for sure .. not as long as there are few people, even tiny minorities who keep reminding everywhere what it stood for .. AS for its ideology, its over my friend ... wait and see the new LF structure and its political line ...and get ready to be shocked ! bala ma ne7ke 3an Hakim's visit to the US .. Johny.B,
The new LF as in the LF party .. LF will never change for sure .. not as long as there are few people, even tiny minorities who keep reminding everywhere what it stood for ..

AS for its ideology, its over my friend … wait and see the new LF structure and its political line …and get ready to be shocked !

bala ma ne7ke 3an Hakim’s visit to the US ..

]]> By: Amir in Tel Aviv http://www.ouwet.com/n10452/editorials/the-new-hakim-and-the-new-lf/#comment-302756 Amir in Tel Aviv Sat, 12 Apr 2008 19:11:13 +0000 http://www.ouwet.com/n10452/editorials/the-new-hakim-and-the-new-lf/#comment-302756 The problem with hakim is that he rarely speaks out; so you have to guess about his stance. The people who follow him deserve to know what are his positions on things. I'm sure people appreciate his courage and sacrifice, but they need clearer leadership. . The problem with hakim is that he rarely speaks out; so you have to guess about his stance. The people who follow him deserve to know what are his positions on things.
I’m sure people appreciate his courage and sacrifice, but they need clearer leadership.
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