Remembering Elie Hobeika ..
Posted by N10452I spent considerable hours writing a post about Elie Hobeika last year, i thought i repost it this year since it resumes what i think of him, and who killed him and why ..
He was one heck of a military and intelligence man, but he harmed us Christians more than anyone did ..
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1. paul | January 24th, 2008 at 9:08 pm
Thank you N.I am glad that you thought of him despite political differences. And this is exactly what ouwet need today,me must win and not lose each other.
2. Nassif | January 24th, 2008 at 9:34 pm
Man he was a smart guy but he wacked so many people when he was around… it was too much… but allah yerhamo…R.I.P elie
3. Delta | January 25th, 2008 at 12:18 am
his a scum bag his sun was on tayyar.org yesterday talking shit about D Geagea
4. laichaa | January 25th, 2008 at 1:55 am
A double agent actinf for the syrians since the beginning of the war. He was behind every massacre that was lately used against the LF and the Christians: Ehden Safra, Sabra. He might even helped the Syrians killing Bachir in order to replace him and put the LF under syrians command. but Geagea blocked him. He went under direct syrian protection and collaborate with Aoun for the same objective. After Aoun failed because Geagea blocked him, hobeika replaced him in baabda and killed Dany Shamun. The syrians made him minister and deputy. But, after september 11, Hk contacted the americans and gave them intelligence on hezbollah. With the help of his brother, he was working on changing side: the hezbollah and the syrians killed him.
5. Delta | January 25th, 2008 at 2:57 am
العماد ميشال عون هو الذي أخرج حبيقة من الكرنتينا بعد إنتفاضة جعجع- الجميل عام 1986. كذلك ساعد إيلي حبيقة عائلة العماد عون في الخروج من قصر بعبدا في 13 تشرين الاول 1990. أين كان كوبرا في هاتين الحادثتين؟ وما كان دوره؟
يوم حاصرنا جعجع في الكرنتينا كنت بالقرب من حبيقة ويوم دخل السوريون القصر الجمهوري كلفني حبيقة حينها البحث عن عائلة الجنرال ميشال عون لإنقاذها وهكذا حصل. وأذكر أنني عندما وقفت أمام السيدة ناديا الشامي عون شعرتُ أنها أصبحت بأمان
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6. Tareq | January 25th, 2008 at 4:16 am
HK invade Achrafieh in 1987 with help of Syria he is a traitor…Aoun saved HK in 1986 and HK save Aoun’s famuly in 1990 but no one saved Christians from what Aoun and HK did to us…
Anyone see today Assad Hardan from SSNP who kill Sheikh Bashir at the mass for HK?? Anyone see the picture of HK on Tayyar website?? HK killed Tony Franjieh the father of their ally Sleiman but they don’t mind only they mind Geagea…
7. Hanoun | January 25th, 2008 at 5:00 am
HK was a smart man but he used his skills to kill christians and anyone that opposed him or competed with him, in reality he was nothing but a syrian agent and a thug…everyone called the LF fighters zou3ran because of him and because of the way he ran the AMN, which I was part of…there was a big change working for G Touma and Hakim, the LF got orgnized as a professional army under the command of Hakim…I will never have sympathy for what happened to HK, to me he was a thug who killed a lot of my fellow LFers
8. The Marshall | January 25th, 2008 at 11:45 am
The strongest christian man … is HK despite the difference, everyone have to review Pakradoni report on OTV concerning the martyr …
9. laichaa | January 25th, 2008 at 11:55 am
“Stronget”? You mean bloddiest?
10. paul | January 25th, 2008 at 1:31 pm
7ittkoun 3a saff 7ake mitl l3aunye,ma 7ada bya3rif 3anno chi w2akhbarkoun 3anno sem3ina min wa7ad semi3a min jaro.
11. toufic | January 25th, 2008 at 7:15 pm
HK a tout simplement eu la mort qu’il méritait.
Cette ordure a tellement fait souffrir des personnes donc tot ou tard il allait crever.
au diable crapule
12. Tareq | January 25th, 2008 at 7:58 pm
Paul can you explain more please about HK why you think we don’t know anything about him…I agree with you we don’t want division but I will like to hear your information about HK…Thank you.
13. paul | January 25th, 2008 at 8:51 pm
Tareq,most of the LFers forgot that SG and HK was very good comrads from 1975-1985 They fought together, and many do not know that SG gave him the name HK.i was 7 years with him and i know very well what kind of man he was.ma bisma3 illa ken mijrim w2attal l3alam wilmasi7ieh!!! sammoulna tayyib…min 2atal?ma 7ada yifhamne ghatat bass ma kamen 3am yin7aka inno SG atal Dany cham3oun minsaddi2 yi3ne?
1-min ken y3attil lmitfajrat yalle keno yib3atoua l PLO wilmarada?
2-Min ken 3indo aktar min 800 agent bilgharbye w bijabal wbitrablous?
3-Min ken mkharra 7arakit sa3id chi3ben bityeboun?
4-Amal w 7izb allah keno yfakro mit marra abel ma yib3ato mitfajjra
5-3amalyet sirrye did lfalastinye w7oulafe2oun ma ken 7ada yidra fia min louwet .(yalle ma msadda2 fi yis2al DSG)
6-Ma ken 3indo idrit rad sari3a wda2i2a?
Laou l ouwet b 15 Janvier 3irfit 7tadanit jame3it jihez l2amn ma kinna wsilna lahon,saro yittala3o fina ka2anna jame3it a7mad jibril .Wlaw ma ken fi wa7ad ismo P.R.(akram) keno saffouna 3al7et.
Wyalle baddo y2ille sabra wchatila ma3o 7a2 bass ma fina nchabbih lyaoum bilbari7a wfi ktar sa2alo 3anno wa2t nahr lberid wlaw 3an maze7,la2anno wara kill maz7a fi chi jadde…wi littifa2 soulese ma fina ninti2do la2anno ta2if mitil ma kilna cheyfin ma anha l7arb.
Ma 7ada byirja3 3a beito iza 3erif inno bilbet natrito limsabbet.
14. paul | January 25th, 2008 at 9:11 pm
Delta comment nr. 5 heida ismo rad jmil.
15. paul | January 25th, 2008 at 9:25 pm
Hanoun,can you give us some names from the deads?
16. Tareq | January 25th, 2008 at 9:36 pm
Paul thank you my friend for the time to write this info I appreciate it lot…I agree with you “Ma 7ada byirja3 3a beito iza natro msabbeh” I want to all go back to the same house…Please let me answer some what you say with my point of view you can agree or not but this is my opinion with respect:
1-I agree HK like other LF officer/soldiers took the weapon to defend the Christians and he many people say he was very good in the moukhabarat operations…No problem with him on it.
2-Problems with HK is what he did after 1982…First he fail to defend Shaikh Bashir from assassination in heart of Achrafieh…Many rumors until today say that HK helped the SSNP to kill Bashir…maybe it is true maybe it is not but he fail to protect Bash.
3-After he fail with the Agreement in 1986 he did not leave to France or to Cyprus he went to Syrian areas and he attack Achrafieh with their help…This operation killed many people in Achrafieh I was going home from university and the battle was hard.
4-He make many speeches after 1986 attacking the Kataeb and make fun of the 3aqidah Kata2ibiya on TV and he become the best friend of SSNP.
5-Sabra and Chatila was massacre of civilian after the PLO military people leave with Arafat there wasn’t resistance so it is different from Nahr Bared in my opinion.
The first Problem with HK is he did not stay on the same mission like Bashir wanted…DSG make many mistakes and many assassinations like HK but he stay on the course and if Aoun did not destroy us in the 2 wars LF will not agree on Taef like the 1986 agreement.
From my side Paul when I attack HK I don’t attack you and other LF people who work with him to protect us…He is a leader who made the wrong choice and I attack him for what he did since Bashir was killed.
I think the history is not all black or all white there is some good and there is some bad so we can only say what is more and for me HK has many more black so that is the problem for me.
Take care bro.
17. Bachir 7ay Fina | January 25th, 2008 at 10:09 pm
paul
jit 3ala zahlé enta chi lama ken el HK fiya???
la halla2 kell ahel zahlé bi da3oulo bi abro lal HK.
sara2 e déné kella
bass elie hbeika ken ma3rouf zaké w yestebi2 kel el 2echya, w houwé awal min 2alo lal batrak mchi hal 20 séné ma3 souria li ano heik w heik badoun yed3aso li ma byemché ma3oun w mazbout heik sar
18. paul | January 26th, 2008 at 12:03 am
Tareq,
To say that he fail to protect BG is not fair because you don´t know how many attacks were thwarted ,the protection of bg was not the task of HK he has his own bodyguards and they was from him personally selected,and that HK kill BG! sorry but this is absurd.
What he said about kataeb etc.I do not believe that he mean it seriously he wanted to win the trust of syria then they have never trusted him.
I don´t comparisons nahr el bared and S+C
I just wanted to say that the hate was too deep And thus he killed many others “and himself”.
Tareq,i have no problem if someone attack HK this is very normal,but to insult him is not ok.
He was once a leader of the LF and because nobody is 100% sure what is true and not true, we should withhold our prejudices.
And, as I see you have understood me.
cheers.
19. Tareq | January 27th, 2008 at 1:28 am
Paul thank you for the good reply…I want to clarify some things…First I don’t want to say HK killed BG or no because I don’t know but I say it is a strong rumor since 1985 when HK change side to Syria and SSNP…We say that Syria killed BG and HK was friend of Syria so he is suspect…that what I hate about HK the most is he change side to Syria…I agree with you some things he say and do because there was deep hate with DSG etc…
I understand your point of view better now and I agree with you on many things but one thing I think different is it is OK to insult any leader because they are in public affair and they affect our life they cause death and emmigration etc…If you have proof people believe you and if you don’t have proof people don’t believe…With HK it is 100% sure he attack Achrafieh with help of Syria so I attack him because he did it and same for Aoun…BUT it is more important for me to understand a brother in our resistance so I respect your feeling and I say he is now dead there is a higher justice to decide.
Take care.
20. Lebanese | January 27th, 2008 at 6:06 am
This low life is nothing more than a war criminal and a double agent for Syria and Israel who tarnished the face of Lebanon forever with the massacres of Sabra and Chatilla in 1982.
21. paul | January 27th, 2008 at 12:50 pm
Lebanese,you can call him a war criminal only if he was the exception.
Tareq,i also want to thank you I see that our opinions are not very far from each other . I can understand you very well and maybe that´s why i am on this blog .anyway I will always defend HK despite his faultsBecause it is not about him but about the comrads who standing him close, I think nothing is easier than to stand on the side of the winners and i dont mean you with it .And you have said the correct words”there is a higher justice to decide”.And this means for me he will eventually meet his opponents
Regards
22. crusader | January 29th, 2008 at 12:52 am
walla i hope ur doctor knows what he s doing , read the lebanese war carefully u ll know who s the real enemy 4 the christian people and tell me if ur leader is on the good way , WAKE UP MEN keloun kezzebinne ,one day the blood of the christians martyrs will call for justice, asking AOUN GEAGEA HOBEIKA EVEN AMINE for what they did, one day so wake up .
ana moukatil min loubnan.
23. crusader | January 29th, 2008 at 12:58 am
men
i have a question to ask???
in october 13 who helped the syrian army with bombarding some CHRISTIAN territoty?? who believed in taef ,
YA 3AME MAHADA BISHOUF KAM SHAB FAL MIN LEBNEN BA3ED L TAEF, ma l hakim al mne2bal fi w iza ma meche min ghayro, soo kenit l natije sar howe bil habess w nehna hejarna , men wehyetkoun fekro shwey keloun i mean keloun( geagea aoun elie keloun) kheryit kaleb w makssoume . rah trouh 3alayna nehna l massihiye bass .
salo
ana moukatel min loubnan
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