Living up to Bashir’s standards ..
Posted by N10452Bashir’s posts are the hardest to write to be honest, i’ve been thinking for almost half an hour about how to start this post, but i’ve failed so far, but then maybe not introducing Bashir says a lot about this great man.
What else can be said about El Bach ??
He represents everything no Lebanese politican was, is or will ever be.
Neither the old class of politicians, nor the new class and definitly not the future generations to come will have any Bashir in it, he was a golden opportunity sent by God at a specific time and specific place to save this country, but was assassinated by men ironically on the 14th of September, which happens to be the Feat of the Triumph of the Cross.
I will take this opportunity to answer many readers who tell me that i critisize a lot and almost everything, and tell them that all my critics are not based on a personal need to do so, but on standards set by Bashir and that i will never allow myself to lower them at any cost.
When i nag about disorganization in the LF, its because its there.
When i nag about violating the LF principles, its because its happening.
When i nag about disrespecting the martyrs & turning their masses into political festivals, just watch tomorrow’s mass and the one next week and you will understand me.
When i nag about becoming dhimmists, its because Bashir fought & struggled to keep us away from dhimmitude.
On this 26th year of Bashir’s martyrdom, i would like to address Sheikh Nadim Gemayel whom i met on several occasions and saw in him Bachir’s honesty and innocence, and every young Lebanese who looks up for Bashir as a role model.
Bashir was not knowledgeable in politics & history as much as many politicians were.
Bashir did not take sessions on religions and leadership to get into politics.
Bashir did not wait for others to take initiatives.
Bashir followed his heart and his passion for his country and his Cause, and got himself surrounded by the most intelligent and credible people out there, and took the best out of them and reached the top and most importantly kept them aside him and welcomed any newbie who wished to help.
Camille Chamoun, Charles Malek, Fouad Frem el Boustani, Antoine Najm, Zahi Boustani and many many others are what drove Bashir to the top.
What is required from each of us is to look up to people smarter & more capable than us, learn from them and do better, and this mentality unfortunatelly does not exist in our society anymore. Start from your schools, your universities, your work, your life and we will have 100 000 Bashirs not just 60000.
One last word, may all those who fell with Bashir and all our martyrs rest in peace.

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1. R...... | September 13th, 2008 at 7:08 pm
allah yir7amak ya 2a2wa zalame…linabka wa nastamir…
2. Tarek Gemayel | September 13th, 2008 at 8:04 pm
Very well said N10452!
3. Rodge | September 13th, 2008 at 8:08 pm
N,
You said it all, I agree with every word in this post.
Really, we lost everything by losing El Bash, and it seems we will not be able to fulfill his dream of “the Lebanon” he and we and everybody wants, neither to his other recommendation about having 1000 Bashir, maybe he didn’t expect the kind of so called leaders we will have after him.
May his soul rest in peace.
4. Cyprus | September 13th, 2008 at 9:29 pm
Samir Geagea is my 2nd Bachir
5. Toufic. | September 13th, 2008 at 9:51 pm
Hi N and Hi all of you.
This is Toufic…
I 100% agree with you N.
Bachir was this strong man, this star that We are deeply missing him.
We need someone who has his principles and who believes in his country and somebody that can restore the role of the Christians.
Take care.
6. Fou2ad | September 13th, 2008 at 10:49 pm
This is a common desease lebanese have, turning criminals like hariri and bachir into heroes after they are killed.
Face it N, bachir was the greatest mass murderer in the history of lebanon. He killed as much christians as the PLO(if not more). From the beginning he started with sending his thugs to chase and kill remond eddé, then with trying to kill dani chamoun in safra, and with turning all of zgharta against him with the ehden massacre. He bullied everynoe, hirras el arz, el tonzim…, into acknowledging him as the only person to weald power. People like camille chamoun hated him but were intimidated by him and his henchmen(hobeika and geagea) into accepting him just like hindenburg was intimidated by the nazis.
And note that he didn’t have to reach the top to become the only leader, he just pushed everyone else down. He weakened the lebanese front with taw7id el boudou2iyé and was probably the cause of all the losses the christians had suffered.
And you cannot say he was the leader of the christians because there never was any democratic elections in his brutal reign to see if the christians really wanted him, and he most probably never would have alowed elections.
He betrayed his country by allying with the israelies so they could give him the presidency, which he reached by threatening and bribing all the ministers who were alive at that time with the help of the israeli occupiers.
And stop saying he died for lebanon, because it’s not like he knew he was going to be killed(seeing that he was preparing to become president).
To the christians he was an insane killer who led to their ultimate defeat. To the muslims he was the incarnation of evil, an israeli puppet.
And now you will probably reply about how aoun attacked the christian resistance and you will tell me how much I love syria and hizballa because you have no grounds for an argument, everything I said is facts.
7. Maximus | September 13th, 2008 at 11:19 pm
Fou2ad
Bachir “unified” the christian military capacity and faught all those who opposed that unification. All those who opposed him were feudal politician who creates their militia not to defend the christians but their power. And only a unified army could permit to the christians to face the syro-palestinian islamic coalition. And that what happened in 1978. Chamun understand it and aligned with Bachir. Frangyé didn’t and he aligned with the syrians.
The facts are that you have no clue about what you are talking about. You are godd to provocate by accusing others of being criminals. You want us to answer you? About what? What is the purpose of discussing with you? Make you change your mind? You are not here to exchange arguments but to insult others. I don’t understand why intruders like you are still here.
8. Tarek Gemayel | September 13th, 2008 at 11:45 pm
Fou2ad, oh my dear Fou2ad.
Honestly you are the ONLY person i know that hates El Bach. I have friends that are Aouniyeh and they respect what Cheikh Bachir did.
I dont know what’s wrong with you, but what you are saying is pure garbage!
I dont want to waste my time talking to some lunatic like you, and trying to convince you because you will never understand, these are the facts!
9. proud 2 b lf | September 13th, 2008 at 11:55 pm
fou2ad…i know that each human being has an opinion but if each human being decides that his opinion is a fact the world would be at war…which is in this case the situation in lebanon…u think ur opinion is a fact just as i think my opinion is a fact…so lets just keep our opinions to ourselves and think how we can make lebanon a better place to live in…
THANKS
10. Mickel | September 14th, 2008 at 12:38 am
Fou2ad
Just when I think you can’t go any lower…
11. Rima | September 14th, 2008 at 3:23 am
Mickel
It is obvious that Fouad is a very bitter person…Maybe he lost someone in the war or sthg..Anyway, I wish someone can correct Fouad’s facts…Anyway, Bachir is an exceptional leader and he is not Ghandi…He was resisting Palestine and all the Arabs…I think he was smart by allying himself with Israel…There is a big difference between allying yourself to a foreign country to save your country and between allying yourself to a backward country like Syria whose main purpose is to provide al mal el halal to sustain its corrupt regime…
What people don’t understand is that Christians have always had a leadership crisis…everyone wants to be a leader….Look at us now…All other confessions are united somehow except for us….Anyway, we need a leader like Bachir and not necessarily Christian…someone who knows how to be tough and wise in difficult circumstances…Aoun tried to emulate Bachir but he failed because he is main purpose was the glorification of Aoun. He is also unwise because he wanted to fight with Saddam against the international community and the USA…now he wants to side by terrorism….Bachir would never do that if he was alive…BAchir is courageous…Aoun is a coward……
Fouad, do you have better options to our lebanese crisis?
12. Rima | September 14th, 2008 at 3:25 am
*his main purpose
13. Doc 1559 | September 14th, 2008 at 4:28 am
The LF has had a dysfunctional board of poloticians/leaders for years . As they face some unique and difficult time with their new leaders (after the death of bashir) , Samir geagea and freinds keep on playing the same old game ” Counter strike” where he is the Police and we all are the terrorist team!! They refuse to accept others as they are and this is why they’re not accepting themselves as they are. This behavior goes on and on. They obvioulsly think that Bahsir was an anti terror goddess who was killed on the battle field, some angel,maybe!
I personally think that we’re all replaceable no matter how smart we are. I am sure that there are a 100 bashir among you guys… Why doesnt hakim give them a chance? 2ino his chances are 1% to be the next bashir. yifta7 majel la ghayro at least.
The simplest solution to soving LF’s current delima is this : VOTE HAKIM OUT OF OFFICE THIS COMING UP ELECTION. Something needs to be done now, otherwise we dont wanna keep on hearing you nagging about how bad your political siuation is. It makes no sense to have samir geagea in office. ya3na KAMA TAKUNUN YOUWALA 3LAYKOM.
PS: Rodge , if you dont like my suggestion then plz ignore me. And i will promise you to f%^& off and not say a word anymore ,bass BITRAJEK MA TA3TINE DARESS AKHLE2.
14. Doc 1559 | September 14th, 2008 at 4:31 am
Foua2d
You are some hardcore guy ! Easy on them..
15. Rima | September 14th, 2008 at 6:08 am
N
Is Doc 1559 the same Ali…You mentioned that Doc is with Al waeed wih Jina Hobeika…were yu joking or it is the truth? Why do I have the impression that he is Shiaa or pro-HA?
I just don’t understand why people use two usernames?
16. Rima | September 14th, 2008 at 6:24 am
Ghandi was able to get independence by his peaceful strategy because he was dealing with the British…I don’t see how Ghandi would be able to do it if he had to deal with backwards like the Syrians, Palestininas or the Arabs…
Bashir and all martyrs are heros because they defended us we people who get kicked from our own villages in the North, South , bequaa and the Jabal…just because we are Christians…If that is not enough to classify them heroes who can?
…disgusting
17. freedom | September 14th, 2008 at 6:49 am
fou2ad i wanna kill u
18. Michele | September 14th, 2008 at 7:52 am
According to u ya Foufou who is a great leader in Lebanon n why??? I’m just curious…
Rima, Doc is Ali n he is shiite n pro-HA. N was making a joke z other day.
I guess the reason why he changed his nickname from Ali to Doc, is that he thought we would take him more seriously if he was a doctor…
19. Mickel | September 14th, 2008 at 7:53 am
Rima
I think you’re right about Fou2ad.
And Ali or Doc or whatever is a Shi’a Aounist — as he claims.
He thinks he’s some philosopher who knows all the answers to our problems, while living in denial about the bad things on his side of the camp.
But this blog wouldn’t be the same without him.
Or would it?
20. N10452 | September 14th, 2008 at 11:15 am
Ali 1559,
What you are asking for is completely legitimate and should happen in every party in Lebanon starting the LF …
We ve been asking since day 1 to have a democratic party with elections, even though i am sure Hakim will be winning the elections easily in the first few years, but such elections are healthy as an incentive for everyone to show himself and his work and not just do mistakes and foold around and rest assured he is gonna stay wherever he is ..
21. N10452 | September 14th, 2008 at 11:17 am
Fou2ad,
All what u just said is complete bullshit and has no truth .. i would have deleted usually any comment that insults Bashir in that way, but by knowing how some people hate him that much, it proves to me how much this man worked for his country and how great he was …
And i can contradict your points one by one and maybe i will later on .. but no matter what u say is not gonna change who Bashir was …
And i suggest you do some extra reading on him because u got all ur facts wrong
22. Doc 1559 | September 14th, 2008 at 6:03 pm
Rima
I cant beleive how slow you are!!!!Uf! As you can tell, the primary way of proving yourself to your ppl on this blog is by using the same old racist/prejudice words of yours.
Prove yourself to me girl, I think you’re moving way to slow on many issues.
Btw, the reason i have 2 names is bcoz i do post from 2 different computers. One in my berdrOom and one in the family room.
Ya rima, you should give me a credit:D at least i am not hiding behind fake NAMES ;)(rami,bassam, wassim,Mick )and I am here for myself and who I am in real life. I have nothing to hide and my record is as clean as pure water is. Also, I am commited or deticated to this blog. Some days I post and some days I just read…
I’ll stick with DOC for right now so you’re no longer confused about it..
Michele
Prove me Pro HA and I’ll fd whatever it takes to answer all your questions. You just talk to talk kid..
You know very well that Pro HAers have no time to spend on ouwet.com. They are elsewhere defending their country and blocking your Israeli agenda.
Mickel
YA it will be the same with or without me! You just hate the fact that Aoun is a patriotic leader who has supporters all around lebanon while samir geagea is a …. you know the rest !!
N10452
I agree with you. We need to confront our prbs not run away from them.
23. Delta | September 14th, 2008 at 7:54 pm
Fou2ad i have 2 and u are the right one the one that does not even produce .
24. Tony | September 14th, 2008 at 9:31 pm
Ok im gona answer some of the things u sed
(From the beginning he started with sending his thugs to chase and kill remond eddé!!)
Remond eddeh was close friends with my grand father!!
Sheikh Bashir and remond Eddeh where NOT ENEMIES remond respected sheikh bashir gemayels resistance and he supported him all the way through listen past speached when he led hizb el ketleh.
(then with trying to kill dani chamoun in safra, )
U got all that wrong Dani chamoun use to say bashir was like my son 2: the conflict that happend in safra they where called noumour al ahrar in safra noumour al ahrar keno Zo3ran if u ask anyone in safra they use to steal and rape they became like that since dani chamoun couldnt even handle them he asked sheikh bashir to help him out thats when the conflict there started.
(And note that he didn’t have to reach the top to become the only leader, he just pushed everyone else down)
No he didnt tell me if it wasnt because of sheikh bashir gemayel what would of happend?? would u of wanted ure passport to say Palestine or to stay Libanais!!
(He weakened the lebanese front with taw7id el boudou2iyé and was probably the cause of all the losses the christians had suffered.)
Thats when the lebanese forces started And it actually helped taw7id sle7 el masi7ieh the only pppl who disagread was the Awmet el souret which u probably support! Ken el bash de3es 3a ra2bet el awmiet.
(And you cannot say he was the leader of the christians because there never was any democratic elections in his brutal reign to see if the christians really wanted him, and he most probably never would have alowed elections.)
Well actualy u can cause the day he died u can see how much people felt sad and was crying even the muslims felt bad and the Druze mayve only like 2% hated him During his time Lebanon During the war to had much more buisness Was much more safe and no one dared to to tax fraud not like this day!!
(He betrayed his country by allying with the israelies so they could give him the presidency, which he reached by threatening and bribing all the ministers who were alive at that time with the help of the israeli occupiers.)
If u read history lebanon was in need of weapons to protect them selves No country sold us weapons so we had to get weapons from isreal but u sed ALLYING show me where sheikh bashir allied with isreal was there any signatures was there any paper work no allies is diff look at usa and isreal or hizbollah and iran allies means u give stuff for free and get stuff for return the kateab and LF payed for every single wep and bullet and tank and UNIFORM and every single person who trains in isreal just shows how much u know
And stop saying he died for lebanon, because it’s not like he knew he was going to be killed(seeing that he was preparing to become president).
One thing about el bash he wasnt scared he didnt steal he drived a recked all car he had no body guards or nothing He was not a pussy like hasouna hiding under ground he actually fighted with his men he was first in line he visited every lf and kateab base in lebanon this just shows how much courage he had.
(To the muslims he was the incarnation of evil, an israeli puppet.)
Are u speakin about all muslims cz if i remember right there where muslims who fighted in kateab and lf and there was LOTS of muslims who liked him especially Sunnes
And dont deny that
25. Rima | September 15th, 2008 at 2:34 am
Doc
I am not slow and I am not proving myself to anyone…I really care about the future of Lebanon and I don’t see the emergence of HA as a military and political power, a good thing. I don’t see the cowardness and lack of wisdom of 14th March as a good thing either.
Regarding sectarianism, when Bashir was assassinated that was the situation..This is a fact…I am not sectarian and I am ready to support any non-Christian leaders if they pledge to create a modern Lebanon based on democracy, rule of Law, capitalism and constitutionalism….big words yeah..but that is why I live overseas…
I am really sorry if I come across as sectarian because this is really discriminatory and I beleive we are equal as human beings regardless of our beleifs, race or social class.
Honestly, if you are pro-HA you should not complain about sectarianism unless you see HA as a secular movement and a channel of democracy and prosperity…
Doc, let people on this website judge us on this blog…I am contributing to this website with my modest opinion…if I cannot be as genius as you are that does not mean I have nothing to say…Apparently, you are an insecure person looking for recognition and acceptance…I like your posts despite sometimes the apparent conflict between your logical analysis and your tribal emotions
Cheers
26. Rima | September 15th, 2008 at 2:43 am
Tony
Thank you for the clarification…I am fed up of hearing the same lies about Bachir …I mean these people like fouad twist the truth with no remorse…
27. Tony | September 15th, 2008 at 1:54 pm
+ i visited the official forum on tayyar.org and u should see some posts there Lots of ppl hating on Sheikh bashir and calling him a murderer this just proves that el aouniyeh are against sheikh bashir and just proves that they are the ones who are hypocrites
28. Michele | September 15th, 2008 at 2:34 pm
He he he ya Alii, u’ve already proven it to all of us!!!!
How pathetic…. HA resisting “al”, lek resisting shoo, the poor innocent lebanese?
29. Rami | September 15th, 2008 at 2:58 pm
Ali or Doc 1559, how in the name of YOUR god you say that my name is fake? chou bta3refne aslan enta?it is clear to me that you are a HA supporter, trying to put anarchy between us, but hey jarrib enta 3ti ra2yak be HA w chouf kif byeddabro fik..You belong ta a “Hizb choumoule” so you go and post on ouwet.com because you have nowhere to express your opinion..
Rima plz ma tjibe sirit Aoun na7na w 3am ne7ke 3an Bachir:
de 1- Ma khass el mawdou3en be ba3ed.
de 2- Ma mne7ke 3an el chahid w men 2areno ma3 rajol siyese 3ade metel Aoun.
30. Rami | September 15th, 2008 at 3:04 pm
+ Michele je ne sais pas pourquoi tu as qualifie ce que j’ai dis de “n’importe quoi”?
Donne moi plus de precision.
31. Rima | September 15th, 2008 at 3:09 pm
Rami
You are 100% right…
But do yu remember how they used to compare him to Bachir?…
32. Delta | September 15th, 2008 at 5:13 pm
to Doc
just the fact u live in Michigan that means ur a pro hizbullah :p lol just kidding chill out man we dont have to proove anything u are the one who really defend there act and call general aoun a patriotic leader ??????
33. Mickel | September 15th, 2008 at 8:47 pm
Doc
You just had to mention that Aoun-patriotic-leader crap. Se3a Aoun is a defender of the Christians and is fighting to get the Christians’ rights back from whoever took them. W se3a he’s a patriotic leader for the whole country who sees no religions but only Lebanese…
I meant that this blog wouldn’t be same without you in a good way. You’re comments –that are most times completely wrong
— give the blog an nice antagonist.
34. Doc 1559 | September 16th, 2008 at 6:25 am
Rami
Min 3m yi7ke ma3k ?? I was talking to RIMA NOT RAMI!! And honestly, I didnt even know there was RAMI on this blog.
I have nowhere to express my opinion!! LOL , how come?? Is ouwet.com the only lebanese blog around? Why are you making blind judgement ya rami? Dint you go to school ? Despite your frustration and stress of not being able to fairly apply your foreign agenda in lebanon and also being left behind CHOUMOULIYAN BI CHAKEL CHAMEL, by America and Co in the region, you should still be happy that you made it to daw7a.
Michele
YA, resisting the poor lebanese ppl (yourself)
, khafif your negativity. Be happy for once. Life is full of colors ya michele .
Delta
lol, I like it. I am not defending anymone but myself. Lek, McCain killed his chance of becoming the next president . Sarah palin will not stand a chance debating Joe bidin. Allah yisstirkon…
Mickel
What causes your pessimism and negativity? Why ppl with different opinions are COMPLETELY WRONG? Why you alwyas squeeze HA/ aoun in each and every topic ? Lets assume HA got their as% kicked and no longer have any weapons, 2ino battal 3ina machekil , 2ino sar lebnen mitel paris????
Rima Not rami
I will at all times control my temper, resisting the temptation of retaliate.
I am very dissapointed in you girl , you didnt have to call me what you called me in a previous post(would you like me to call you names ?). Your short temper is killing you. And bcoz of that , I am going to avoid you from now on and I hope you do the same. I think you’re living an unhappy marriage and this is why you are so offensive at all the time. It was nice talking to you .
35. Rima | September 16th, 2008 at 6:39 am
Doc
Only backward people get personal when they don’t have anything substancial to say…What to expect anyway from terrorists.
36. Michele | September 16th, 2008 at 7:53 am
Mazboot ya Aloush, life is indeed full of colors while u ya Ali can only see the yellow n orange colors…
Btw, ya Ali, Rima was one of the few who was addressing u wz respect on that blog n actually (funny enough) taking u seriously; what u told her is disgusting. U need to apologize!!!
U wanna play tough cowboys, be it, but avoid z vulgarity…
37. Rima | September 16th, 2008 at 8:20 am
Hi Michele
Thank you for your support…what do you mean I take him seriousely?
Anyway, Ali allows himself to attack and offend me for no apparent reason…telling me I am slow, need to prove myself, and all that nonsense and when I fight back he kicks and screams like little kids…I mean what is going on with some people on this blog? Ado, Omega and Ali and…very chauvinistic …
This blatant discrimination against women is a sign of takhalouf…for these guys women are not allowed to raise their voice and fight for just causes….I am happy I am out of this culture for good…
I am posting to support N and all people who beleive in democracy…
Thank you again Michele..yu are my friend
Cheers
38. Rima | September 16th, 2008 at 8:22 am
Hi Michele
Thank you for your support…what do you mean I take him seriousely?
Anyway, Ali allows himself to attack and offend me for no apparent reason…telling me I am slow, need to prove myself, and all that nonsense and when I fight back he kicks and screams like little kids…I mean what is going on with some people on this blog? …very chauvinistic …
This blatant discrimination against women is a sign of takhalouf…for these guys women are not allowed to raise their voice and fight for just causes….I am happy I am out of this culture for good…
I am posting to support N and all people who beleive in democracy…
Thank you again Michele..yu are my friend
Cheers
39. Michele | September 16th, 2008 at 8:42 am
Rima, what i meant by taking him seriously, is that u really bother replying back to him and discussing positively matters wz him…
Ali n Sam both come from a background where women should only satisfy their husbands n make lots of babies.
When they encounter an educated intelligent woman such as urself, they feel threatened hence become aggressive.
Cheers to u too my friend
40. Silvana | September 16th, 2008 at 10:25 am
Ali,
Are you serious by saying to Rima “I think you’re living an unhappy marriage and this is why you are so offensive at all the time. ”
Freaking hell man, you once said to me that you could teach my psychology professor a things by the end of your degree. Since you are an expert, you must know how naive and dangerous to give an opinion without knowing the full facts and not to be provoked into showing your hostility
Ali, are the things we brag about the same ones which riddle us with insecurities, or they are caused by too much egotism? Help me out here
By the way I do love reading your comments, like Mickel said not the same here without you… Also meant seriously with no malice
41. Doc 1559 | September 17th, 2008 at 6:24 am
Michele
No , she needs to apologize first . This is what she called me when she had nothing good to say :
yaani maaleich since when el tibssita bi amleik el dawleh is considered civilised demonstartion…you go back to Lebanon that your people trashed and wreaked ….yihneilak hal balad…arrogant Basta****
Now you tell me abu el mich , why would you do if you were in my shoe? I have tried but di2 al may may , ya ret fiye se3ida.. also, this was not her first tiome… and now she is calling me terrorist lol .
Silvana
Welcome back ,
I am not making any blind or unfair judegement here . You need to read rima’s commentaries on the daily basis and then you’ll figure where im coming from. She’s always negative and tend to use dogmastic words toward me and the rest of guys on the blog. She once blamed me and SHN for 9/11 bcoz we’re shiaa!!!!!!!!!! Ironic!!!
Anyway, a woman’s sense of self is defined through her feelings and the quality of her relationships , and this is why i said what i said to rima. Dont blame me for my words , in fact, you should respect the way i am getting myself out of this. hiye bitari2 w ana bitari2 w allah yi7miya.
One last thing, when negative feelings are suppressed positive feelings become suppressed as well (pshyco term). And lets not talk about egotism , I am the last one to talk about such thing..
keep it up silvana and it is always good to hear from gr8 ppl like you
42. Doc 1559 | September 17th, 2008 at 6:34 am
Silvana
I am going to answer your question anyway so you dont think im running away from it
These feelings(egotism,insecure) become a problem when they are there all the time or when their presence prevents us from enjoying the challenges and risks of life.
We should keep them away form effecting our daily life style. The bigger the insecurity, the more you have to confront it.
Thx
43. Rima | September 17th, 2008 at 7:36 am
Doc
Ya faylassouf et psychologue…I think you have feeling of inferiority…a lots of those…You keep picking on me …I never blamed you for 9/11 but I am very anti-terrorism…anti-HA…and I think people who support HA are terrorists…
I think you are arrogant and arrogance leads to ignorance…remember it is a political blog almost a Jabha…and not a dating forum!!!!! so get lost
44. nora | September 17th, 2008 at 11:02 am
words of wisdom…
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