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		<title>By: N10452</title>
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		<dc:creator>N10452</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Mar 2007 18:16:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>how is mentality related to a political thought and a political project ?? 

The Federalism was labeled before being discussed, the LF cross abused without anyone knowing its true meaning, the Christians Cause is NOT building a Christian canton.

Before judging ya venom how few LFers behaved, and even how few leaderships in the LF behaved, let us read this project and judge on it ...

Finally, let the Lebanese decide what they want and dont talk on their behalf .. the LF is doing mistakes and i am not ashamed of admitting it, but the FPM is doing much worse, so let the next elections decide ..</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>how is mentality related to a political thought and a political project ?? </p>
<p>The Federalism was labeled before being discussed, the LF cross abused without anyone knowing its true meaning, the Christians Cause is NOT building a Christian canton.</p>
<p>Before judging ya venom how few LFers behaved, and even how few leaderships in the LF behaved, let us read this project and judge on it &#8230;</p>
<p>Finally, let the Lebanese decide what they want and dont talk on their behalf .. the LF is doing mistakes and i am not ashamed of admitting it, but the FPM is doing much worse, so let the next elections decide ..</p>
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		<title>By: Venom</title>
		<link>http://www.ouwet.com/n10452/editorials/lf-to-change-manifesto-in-3-months/#comment-18892</link>
		<dc:creator>Venom</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Mar 2007 08:16:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>"The LF is Federalism, is the LF Cross, is the Christian Cause."

Havent u notice that this mentality lead Lebanon and especially the Christians to a disaster...
Lebanon is unity,  Lebanon cannot be divided, Lebanon is Christians and Muslims....

So the LF is not what the Lebanese want.

Expired</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;The LF is Federalism, is the LF Cross, is the Christian Cause.&#8221;</p>
<p>Havent u notice that this mentality lead Lebanon and especially the Christians to a disaster&#8230;<br />
Lebanon is unity,  Lebanon cannot be divided, Lebanon is Christians and Muslims&#8230;.</p>
<p>So the LF is not what the Lebanese want.</p>
<p>Expired</p>
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		<title>By: Irange</title>
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		<dc:creator>Irange</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Mar 2007 07:34:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It is forbidden that everyone open 3ala 7ssebo bil ouwet. ya R go out from your personal problems... wake up and understand that el kadiye hiye we7de w ma7ada tnizal 3ana, we know that Elige LFrs didn't, the old LFrs yali la72in 2day el Irange insane deeply they didn't change... and for sure SG ma'3ayar at all. w please khalina maba2a nzeyid 3ala ba3dna bi massi7iyetna. 

The LF is Federalism, the LF Cross, is the Christian Cause

Federalism took a new name with ta2eef under the "2al LAA markazieh al 2idarieh al mouwassa3a" which is federalism but under another title that don’t cause conflicts with the rest of the Lebanese community, as for the Cross, the cross lal mazaher ma7ada bado 2iye w iza for the true faith, el massi7ieh 3ayech and not show off. 
As for the Christian cause, iza fi 7ada el yom is giving a boost lal woujoud el massi7e fa hine el ouwet w especially el Hakim.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It is forbidden that everyone open 3ala 7ssebo bil ouwet. ya R go out from your personal problems&#8230; wake up and understand that el kadiye hiye we7de w ma7ada tnizal 3ana, we know that Elige LFrs didn&#8217;t, the old LFrs yali la72in 2day el Irange insane deeply they didn&#8217;t change&#8230; and for sure SG ma&#8217;3ayar at all. w please khalina maba2a nzeyid 3ala ba3dna bi massi7iyetna. </p>
<p>The LF is Federalism, the LF Cross, is the Christian Cause</p>
<p>Federalism took a new name with ta2eef under the &#8220;2al LAA markazieh al 2idarieh al mouwassa3a&#8221; which is federalism but under another title that don’t cause conflicts with the rest of the Lebanese community, as for the Cross, the cross lal mazaher ma7ada bado 2iye w iza for the true faith, el massi7ieh 3ayech and not show off.<br />
As for the Christian cause, iza fi 7ada el yom is giving a boost lal woujoud el massi7e fa hine el ouwet w especially el Hakim.</p>
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		<title>By: Delta</title>
		<link>http://www.ouwet.com/n10452/editorials/lf-to-change-manifesto-in-3-months/#comment-18769</link>
		<dc:creator>Delta</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Mar 2007 20:21:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>to Rose :khalike rose ba3dena chifna min ma byotla3 mino wmin la2
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To all the LF, the one that says hine ex lf and for the one that say nihna ouwet bachir.... wfor the one that say oh la2 nihna ma3 il hakim bass il hakim ghayar.....
so let me make it clear ya rife2 wya ikhwe:

The article tackled in here is not a joke its not a game its a reality , runimg for presidency is one of the most dangerous things that hakim will do and i am sure its good for lebanon but not for the party, the exemple what hapened after bachir was elected, and all il masskhara...........

second its dangerous on geagea 's life , second it will put us face to face with hizbullah weopon (and this is something la nihna badna yeh walla hizballa byerghabo). 

for the lf inner divison i am just going to be so honnest as i am always but this subject is so delicate, the problem ya chabeb ino blibnen kil min awas dareb bado y3ali2 nigme whayde il ichya ma bterkab ma3 il hakim ya khayeh chu inta defa3et 3an ime wbaye bass ma inta defa3et 3an baytak, wil hakim is playing it exactly as a soccer manger ino 3egbak ahla mich 3egbak u sit on the substitute banch kamena hayda ma bi sir de la part du DG. il hal ma bado kill hal maskhara lignet oudema il ouwet wligne la il ouwet il libneniye btetsama3 la mataliboun akhed w3ata chway winhalet , bass as i said il tnen mtanhrin wbaynetna akid mich il coach il byetnezal la la3ibto in this game . (w its wrong ma 3am 2oul sah) bass hayde mabede2 il li3be so ya btil3aba ya bitzih ma bitghayer anoun il li3be ta til3ab.

Finaly is trongly agreeon ur conclusion :

The LF is Federalism, is the LF Cross, is the Christian Cause.

Any change of those means the LF we knew, the LF Bash founded is over.

W2ahla fikoun gami3an

Salem il massih ya chabeb</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>to Rose :khalike rose ba3dena chifna min ma byotla3 mino wmin la2<br />
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To all the LF, the one that says hine ex lf and for the one that say nihna ouwet bachir&#8230;. wfor the one that say oh la2 nihna ma3 il hakim bass il hakim ghayar&#8230;..<br />
so let me make it clear ya rife2 wya ikhwe:</p>
<p>The article tackled in here is not a joke its not a game its a reality , runimg for presidency is one of the most dangerous things that hakim will do and i am sure its good for lebanon but not for the party, the exemple what hapened after bachir was elected, and all il masskhara&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;..</p>
<p>second its dangerous on geagea &#8217;s life , second it will put us face to face with hizbullah weopon (and this is something la nihna badna yeh walla hizballa byerghabo). </p>
<p>for the lf inner divison i am just going to be so honnest as i am always but this subject is so delicate, the problem ya chabeb ino blibnen kil min awas dareb bado y3ali2 nigme whayde il ichya ma bterkab ma3 il hakim ya khayeh chu inta defa3et 3an ime wbaye bass ma inta defa3et 3an baytak, wil hakim is playing it exactly as a soccer manger ino 3egbak ahla mich 3egbak u sit on the substitute banch kamena hayda ma bi sir de la part du DG. il hal ma bado kill hal maskhara lignet oudema il ouwet wligne la il ouwet il libneniye btetsama3 la mataliboun akhed w3ata chway winhalet , bass as i said il tnen mtanhrin wbaynetna akid mich il coach il byetnezal la la3ibto in this game . (w its wrong ma 3am 2oul sah) bass hayde mabede2 il li3be so ya btil3aba ya bitzih ma bitghayer anoun il li3be ta til3ab.</p>
<p>Finaly is trongly agreeon ur conclusion :</p>
<p>The LF is Federalism, is the LF Cross, is the Christian Cause.</p>
<p>Any change of those means the LF we knew, the LF Bash founded is over.</p>
<p>W2ahla fikoun gami3an</p>
<p>Salem il massih ya chabeb</p>
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		<title>By: Shadow</title>
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		<dc:creator>Shadow</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Mar 2007 10:52:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>R,

You know very well that Samir Geagea represents more then 95 % of the Lebanese Forces, If you have some issues or new ideas and ideologies , please anticipate into LF and  discuss them inside LF and try to get the majority of the Lebanese forces Guys besides you.

This is the democracy , we cannot open for every LF supporter an LF that suits his own idea. The Only solution is to be all of us inside Lebanese Forces and try to convince others about our ideas.We should work all together to make LF better. 

Regarding Saint Elige ,the problem happened when Hakim was in Jail and  the problem happened with his wife.people who are in Saint Elige are LFers more then anyone else and i know few of them and they love Hakim maybe much more then us  w they paid la adiyeh nehna men2adessa . 

finally, We need good people to solve this matter and im sure that Hakim and people who are in Elige byetfahamou ba3don w bihelou mas2aleh bayn ba3don .

Biniheyeh hodolneh wledna w shouhade2na bi saint Elige  

finally , today we have only one Lebanese Forces and we have only one Leader Samir Geagea as long as he represents the majority of Lebanese Forces.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>R,</p>
<p>You know very well that Samir Geagea represents more then 95 % of the Lebanese Forces, If you have some issues or new ideas and ideologies , please anticipate into LF and  discuss them inside LF and try to get the majority of the Lebanese forces Guys besides you.</p>
<p>This is the democracy , we cannot open for every LF supporter an LF that suits his own idea. The Only solution is to be all of us inside Lebanese Forces and try to convince others about our ideas.We should work all together to make LF better. </p>
<p>Regarding Saint Elige ,the problem happened when Hakim was in Jail and  the problem happened with his wife.people who are in Saint Elige are LFers more then anyone else and i know few of them and they love Hakim maybe much more then us  w they paid la adiyeh nehna men2adessa . </p>
<p>finally, We need good people to solve this matter and im sure that Hakim and people who are in Elige byetfahamou ba3don w bihelou mas2aleh bayn ba3don .</p>
<p>Biniheyeh hodolneh wledna w shouhade2na bi saint Elige  </p>
<p>finally , today we have only one Lebanese Forces and we have only one Leader Samir Geagea as long as he represents the majority of Lebanese Forces.</p>
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		<title>By: Irange</title>
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		<dc:creator>Irange</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Mar 2007 09:47:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dear N10452,

I wonder why a deep subject like the manifesto which represents the Future of the LFrs trigger’s little number of comments.

Do you think the LFrs don't know what they want truly?

Do you think is diving far away from his followers?

Do you think educated people don’t have places at the new restructured LFrs?

Is the Lebanese Forces gaining back its strength based only on Hakim Charisma?

Do LFrs like to hear Georges Adwan political views?

Why do you think hakim don’t want to meet with some old LFrs? 

Is it just for personal reasons?


Dear N, I urge you to post:

People and great visitors of this blog what Lebanese Forces Do you want?

We might succeed to make a summary of the comments and to at least formalize a certain vision.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dear N10452,</p>
<p>I wonder why a deep subject like the manifesto which represents the Future of the LFrs trigger’s little number of comments.</p>
<p>Do you think the LFrs don&#8217;t know what they want truly?</p>
<p>Do you think is diving far away from his followers?</p>
<p>Do you think educated people don’t have places at the new restructured LFrs?</p>
<p>Is the Lebanese Forces gaining back its strength based only on Hakim Charisma?</p>
<p>Do LFrs like to hear Georges Adwan political views?</p>
<p>Why do you think hakim don’t want to meet with some old LFrs? </p>
<p>Is it just for personal reasons?</p>
<p>Dear N, I urge you to post:</p>
<p>People and great visitors of this blog what Lebanese Forces Do you want?</p>
<p>We might succeed to make a summary of the comments and to at least formalize a certain vision.</p>
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		<title>By: R</title>
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		<dc:creator>R</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Mar 2007 08:32:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>SG has planned it well, after refuting all opposers in LF, labeling them and making sure they totally quit the LF of today, he now wants to hold a General meeting that was supposed to happen long ago, before taking critical decisions.

Along with many things he had done, what happened last year in Ilige a day before the mass was the final "shot". I don't think SG or the majority of LFers care about unifying the LF, or even about Federalism and whatsoever. It is only about what SG and wife find suitable.

Even though that is a subject I have stopped discussing, but it could be great to inform us what is wrong with the original manifest to change it?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>SG has planned it well, after refuting all opposers in LF, labeling them and making sure they totally quit the LF of today, he now wants to hold a General meeting that was supposed to happen long ago, before taking critical decisions.</p>
<p>Along with many things he had done, what happened last year in Ilige a day before the mass was the final &#8220;shot&#8221;. I don&#8217;t think SG or the majority of LFers care about unifying the LF, or even about Federalism and whatsoever. It is only about what SG and wife find suitable.</p>
<p>Even though that is a subject I have stopped discussing, but it could be great to inform us what is wrong with the original manifest to change it?</p>
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		<title>By: Shadow</title>
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		<dc:creator>Shadow</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Mar 2007 06:26:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>For sure , we wont let Tayyar and syrian parties to take advantage from these small divisions. At the end all Lfers are same in heart and spirit and way of thinking and they all want the best for LF only and only LF.

To all people please 
get Cedrus Eternum Mastercard 
and support the LF 

For more info , please click below:
http://www.lebforces.org/forum/showthread.php?t=21566</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>For sure , we wont let Tayyar and syrian parties to take advantage from these small divisions. At the end all Lfers are same in heart and spirit and way of thinking and they all want the best for LF only and only LF.</p>
<p>To all people please<br />
get Cedrus Eternum Mastercard<br />
and support the LF </p>
<p>For more info , please click below:<br />
<a href="http://www.lebforces.org/forum/showthread.php?t=21566" rel="nofollow">http://www.lebforces.org/forum/showthread.php?t=21566</a></p>
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		<title>By: rose</title>
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		<dc:creator>rose</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Mar 2007 03:32:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>lol ,lanchuf chu ra7 yotla3 minkon he al mara ! ?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>lol ,lanchuf chu ra7 yotla3 minkon he al mara ! ?</p>
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		<title>By: CellophaneSIX</title>
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		<dc:creator>CellophaneSIX</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 04 Mar 2007 09:20:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@N10452: Well I sure hope Samir Geagea works every single problem out, the old LFers are the pillars of the whole institution, bringing them back and giving them the respect and admiration they deserve will do nothing but strengthen the party.

This is why someone should really (and I'm sure this has already been made) talk to SG about the marginalized old members and do their best to bring them back.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@N10452: Well I sure hope Samir Geagea works every single problem out, the old LFers are the pillars of the whole institution, bringing them back and giving them the respect and admiration they deserve will do nothing but strengthen the party.</p>
<p>This is why someone should really (and I&#8217;m sure this has already been made) talk to SG about the marginalized old members and do their best to bring them back.</p>
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