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• 1. CellophaneSIX | March 4th, 2007 at 7:21 am

  I don’t think, after everything the LF and Samir Geagea has been through, that they are going to change their principles or radically change their beliefs. I think that the new manifesto will be similar to the old one, but probably will adapt better to today’s situation.

  I also don’t think that SG has any plans to run for presidency.

  Can you please tell me more about inner division within the party? Its the first time I hear such talk, this personally intrigues me

• 2. 3oun l majnoun | March 4th, 2007 at 8:35 am

  ya rafi2 ana 2ouwwatje lal mot…bass what u have written msh wade7 ktir…did bashir want federalism?!?!? he has a speech specially inviting non-christians not to be scared and come join him in the government and make a united lebanon…..u r making el-bashir a target of insult from those who dont really know him…
  W Bashir 7aii fina

• 3. jean | March 4th, 2007 at 8:49 am

  I totally agree… I am only an LF supporter because i believe in federalism as the solution, I want to see our LF cross on the LF website, Removing the cross is such a shame

• 4. Shadow | March 4th, 2007 at 9:11 am

  Definitely ,today LF is in a much more better shape then before .Since Hakim went out of Jail , LF was able to gain ground among christian community and was able to return what she had lost from popularity during last election among Christian community and the most important among muslim community in Lebanon and arab world .

  We still have some minor problems among LFers , I think this issue will be solved as long as I know that all of them are true LFers like for example saint Elige and others….

  Some of these people went to Aoun like Jean Aziz and some to Marada like Emile Rahmeh and some of them to Hizb allah like Nader soukar and some to syrians …. I think LFers will not accept these people as they consider them that they have betrayed LF.

  Today, After we are seeing that LF are being attacked by all syrian political parties including Aoun party , we have to sit all together and we have to work all together with a positive attitude and a good spirit to continue building a strong LF that everyone of us will be be proud of it.

• 5. Irange | March 4th, 2007 at 10:33 am

  Dear N10452,‎

  This is one of the best Posts you have made, and I wish it will take its right and be ‎discussed deeply by all the great people who visit this blog. ‎

  What Lebanese Forces do we want? ‎
  And I think to answer this question we have to answer first: ‎
  What Lebanon do we want? ‎
  I am not posting slogan questions but in fact all the internal and external arrangements ‎within the Lebanese Forces are linked to those two subjects.‎

  Do you think we can back in the history to have the same objectives we had at 1985? Or ‎even before with Bachir?‎

  Can anyone neglect the presence of Dr. Geagea at the political level and the boost he ‎gave for the Lebanese Forces and here I am not at all with linking LFrs to Hakim in a ‎sense that the LF might vanish if something happened for the Hakim.‎
  I start from here to say that the manifesto should be based on ideologies and principles ‎applicable on the Lebanese ground where any LFrs elected by certain means can run all ‎the party… and notice here that we are very different from 3aouniye where their name is ‎linked to Aoun or even el 2ichtrakiey with Walid Jounblat or the Future with Saad.‎

  Our presence as Christian in this country our freedom and our real sharing for the ‎governance is what all Lebanese forces should be. Going further … in this sense will be a ‎suicide.‎
  A solid economical and social vision should be available, applicable and convincing… ‎and finally to build our new image many new LFrs faces should be included in the ‎processes of change.‎

  To conclude we can write pages and even books on this subject, two last thing:‎
  ‎1- Do Trust that a plan “B” is always available… ya3ne at any instance we are able to go ‎to the extreme if “woujoudna” as Christians in this east is in danger.‎
  ‎2- The internal moussala7 should happen and should be from both sides‎

  Best Regards,‎

• 6. N10452 | March 4th, 2007 at 10:52 am

  CellophaneSIX,
  Divisions started btw Strida and a group of LF officers few years ago and sadly deepened after Hakim’s release instead of being fixed, simply because no one approached those people, specifically Hakim didnt approach them.

  We are not talking about serious divisions here but a group of frustrated LFers, quality LFers who are out of the LF and whom we are losing. Fortunatelly, those will not do anything to harm the LF because they ll be harming themselves but having them aside is a big loss and no one is doing any effort to regroup them.

• 7. N10452 | March 4th, 2007 at 10:54 am

  3oun l majnoun,
  Bashir was totally for Federalism because he believed it is a UNITARIAN system and not a divisionary one, and this is what it really is.

  “…..u r making el-bashir a target of insult from those who dont really know him…”

  A target ?? how so ?

• 8. N10452 | March 4th, 2007 at 10:59 am

  Irange,
  I believe we can have decent discussions about those issues one point at a time .. This is a turning point in the LF history and a decisive one.

  The LF needs to evolve by keeping its principles and building on them, and most importantly by issuing a structure for the LF that meets with the requirements of any respectable democratic country.

  The LF is being linked to Samir Geagea now, and as much as i respect this man, it is unacceptable because we are an institution that mut go on ..

  Thank u for ur reply Irange, i dount it will take its right honestly since we have tried reaching Hakim personally but no one to listen

• 9. CellophaneSIX | March 4th, 2007 at 11:20 am

  @N10452: Well I sure hope Samir Geagea works every single problem out, the old LFers are the pillars of the whole institution, bringing them back and giving them the respect and admiration they deserve will do nothing but strengthen the party.

  This is why someone should really (and I’m sure this has already been made) talk to SG about the marginalized old members and do their best to bring them back.

• 10. rose | March 5th, 2007 at 5:32 am

  lol ,lanchuf chu ra7 yotla3 minkon he al mara ! ?

• 11. Shadow | March 5th, 2007 at 8:26 am

  For sure , we wont let Tayyar and syrian parties to take advantage from these small divisions. At the end all Lfers are same in heart and spirit and way of thinking and they all want the best for LF only and only LF.

  To all people please
  get Cedrus Eternum Mastercard
  and support the LF

  For more info , please click below:
  http://www.lebforces.org/forum/showthread.php?t=21566

• 12. R | March 5th, 2007 at 10:32 am

  SG has planned it well, after refuting all opposers in LF, labeling them and making sure they totally quit the LF of today, he now wants to hold a General meeting that was supposed to happen long ago, before taking critical decisions.

  Along with many things he had done, what happened last year in Ilige a day before the mass was the final “shot”. I don’t think SG or the majority of LFers care about unifying the LF, or even about Federalism and whatsoever. It is only about what SG and wife find suitable.

  Even though that is a subject I have stopped discussing, but it could be great to inform us what is wrong with the original manifest to change it?

• 13. Irange | March 5th, 2007 at 11:47 am

  Dear N10452,

  I wonder why a deep subject like the manifesto which represents the Future of the LFrs trigger’s little number of comments.

  Do you think the LFrs don’t know what they want truly?

  Do you think is diving far away from his followers?

  Do you think educated people don’t have places at the new restructured LFrs?

  Is the Lebanese Forces gaining back its strength based only on Hakim Charisma?

  Do LFrs like to hear Georges Adwan political views?

  Why do you think hakim don’t want to meet with some old LFrs?

  Is it just for personal reasons?

  Dear N, I urge you to post:

  People and great visitors of this blog what Lebanese Forces Do you want?

  We might succeed to make a summary of the comments and to at least formalize a certain vision.

• 14. Shadow | March 5th, 2007 at 12:52 pm

  R,

  You know very well that Samir Geagea represents more then 95 % of the Lebanese Forces, If you have some issues or new ideas and ideologies , please anticipate into LF and discuss them inside LF and try to get the majority of the Lebanese forces Guys besides you.

  This is the democracy , we cannot open for every LF supporter an LF that suits his own idea. The Only solution is to be all of us inside Lebanese Forces and try to convince others about our ideas.We should work all together to make LF better.

  Regarding Saint Elige ,the problem happened when Hakim was in Jail and the problem happened with his wife.people who are in Saint Elige are LFers more then anyone else and i know few of them and they love Hakim maybe much more then us w they paid la adiyeh nehna men2adessa .

  finally, We need good people to solve this matter and im sure that Hakim and people who are in Elige byetfahamou ba3don w bihelou mas2aleh bayn ba3don .

  Biniheyeh hodolneh wledna w shouhade2na bi saint Elige

  finally , today we have only one Lebanese Forces and we have only one Leader Samir Geagea as long as he represents the majority of Lebanese Forces.

• 15. Delta | March 5th, 2007 at 10:21 pm

  to Rose :khalike rose ba3dena chifna min ma byotla3 mino wmin la2
  \
  To all the LF, the one that says hine ex lf and for the one that say nihna ouwet bachir…. wfor the one that say oh la2 nihna ma3 il hakim bass il hakim ghayar…..
  so let me make it clear ya rife2 wya ikhwe:

  The article tackled in here is not a joke its not a game its a reality , runimg for presidency is one of the most dangerous things that hakim will do and i am sure its good for lebanon but not for the party, the exemple what hapened after bachir was elected, and all il masskhara………..

  second its dangerous on geagea ’s life , second it will put us face to face with hizbullah weopon (and this is something la nihna badna yeh walla hizballa byerghabo).

  for the lf inner divison i am just going to be so honnest as i am always but this subject is so delicate, the problem ya chabeb ino blibnen kil min awas dareb bado y3ali2 nigme whayde il ichya ma bterkab ma3 il hakim ya khayeh chu inta defa3et 3an ime wbaye bass ma inta defa3et 3an baytak, wil hakim is playing it exactly as a soccer manger ino 3egbak ahla mich 3egbak u sit on the substitute banch kamena hayda ma bi sir de la part du DG. il hal ma bado kill hal maskhara lignet oudema il ouwet wligne la il ouwet il libneniye btetsama3 la mataliboun akhed w3ata chway winhalet , bass as i said il tnen mtanhrin wbaynetna akid mich il coach il byetnezal la la3ibto in this game . (w its wrong ma 3am 2oul sah) bass hayde mabede2 il li3be so ya btil3aba ya bitzih ma bitghayer anoun il li3be ta til3ab.

  Finaly is trongly agreeon ur conclusion :

  The LF is Federalism, is the LF Cross, is the Christian Cause.

  Any change of those means the LF we knew, the LF Bash founded is over.

  W2ahla fikoun gami3an

  Salem il massih ya chabeb

• 16. Irange | March 6th, 2007 at 9:34 am

  It is forbidden that everyone open 3ala 7ssebo bil ouwet. ya R go out from your personal problems… wake up and understand that el kadiye hiye we7de w ma7ada tnizal 3ana, we know that Elige LFrs didn’t, the old LFrs yali la72in 2day el Irange insane deeply they didn’t change… and for sure SG ma’3ayar at all. w please khalina maba2a nzeyid 3ala ba3dna bi massi7iyetna.

  The LF is Federalism, the LF Cross, is the Christian Cause

  Federalism took a new name with ta2eef under the “2al LAA markazieh al 2idarieh al mouwassa3a” which is federalism but under another title that don’t cause conflicts with the rest of the Lebanese community, as for the Cross, the cross lal mazaher ma7ada bado 2iye w iza for the true faith, el massi7ieh 3ayech and not show off.
  As for the Christian cause, iza fi 7ada el yom is giving a boost lal woujoud el massi7e fa hine el ouwet w especially el Hakim.

• 17. Venom | March 6th, 2007 at 10:16 am

  “The LF is Federalism, is the LF Cross, is the Christian Cause.”

  Havent u notice that this mentality lead Lebanon and especially the Christians to a disaster…
  Lebanon is unity, Lebanon cannot be divided, Lebanon is Christians and Muslims….

  So the LF is not what the Lebanese want.

  Expired

• 18. N10452 | March 6th, 2007 at 8:16 pm

  how is mentality related to a political thought and a political project ??

  The Federalism was labeled before being discussed, the LF cross abused without anyone knowing its true meaning, the Christians Cause is NOT building a Christian canton.

  Before judging ya venom how few LFers behaved, and even how few leaderships in the LF behaved, let us read this project and judge on it …

  Finally, let the Lebanese decide what they want and dont talk on their behalf .. the LF is doing mistakes and i am not ashamed of admitting it, but the FPM is doing much worse, so let the next elections decide ..

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