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• 1. Arze | April 13th, 2008 at 12:00 am

  N ….The question should not be “If Hezbollah & Palestinian armed groups did not exist, why would Israel attack us ?”

  If Israel was that smart …why give HA an Reason to exist ?
  Why not give the prisonner back ?
  Why not Give Chebaa back ?

  It will take Israel one day to do so …And this way hezbollah wont have a reason to exist anymore

  But NO N….Since 1948 the Plan of Israel and most Arab countries was Lebanon NEVER to rest …Because if Lebanon was to be left alone , it would have been 100 time what Dubai is now…

  You can notimagine what a threat lebanon would have been economically, intellectually, Sofcially , and politcally , if it was in peace since 1948 !

  IN other words N …
  If Hezbollah goes ….Israel will find 10 000 other reasons to make trouble in Lebanon …But this time only, Hezbollah has become a big threat for any Israeli Offensive In lebanon .

  Now concerning the PAlestinian Camps…I am For Killing 10 palestinians for every rocket that goes from Any camp….

• 2. Hanoun | April 13th, 2008 at 12:39 am

  Arze Israel has no interest in attacking Lebanon, their attacks against us have been always a reaction as N mentioned in this article…as for the prisoners in Israel, they are nothing but terroists who killed innocent people and now they are paying for it in jail, this is does not give Hizballah a reason or the right to attack Israel or form a state in a state inside Lebanon…its like saying that Fatah el aslam has the right to attack Lebanon from syria because the lebanese army is holding hundreds of them for attacking the army on lebanese soul…

• 3. N10452 | April 13th, 2008 at 1:11 am

  Arze,
  Give me on valid reason or one valid fact that supports your point .. that is Israel wants to create trouble here with or without HA ..

  Thats my whole point !! Israel does not attack unless attackd … at least thats how our history with Israel is …

• 4. lebnan_united | April 13th, 2008 at 2:46 am

  There are soo many holes in your argument i don’t know where to begin.

• 5. jim | April 13th, 2008 at 3:11 am

  lol what i like about aounists, is 3years ago, they were sayin ya N exactly wht ur saying now, now ppl like arze r giving excuses y militias such as hezb allah should even exist!!

• 6. Directorate | April 13th, 2008 at 4:14 am

  lebnan_united, why don’t you enlighten us?

• 7. Ali1559 | April 13th, 2008 at 4:39 am

  N10452

  I am going to give you the perfect reason;
  N, You need to remember , the mid-east is a predominantly muslim region, and in a 50 yr from now , there will be a 10-15 million muslims living in lebanon ! when I say muslims here , I mean Hezbollah and the ppl behind them. The zionists think about their future generations before anything else. They are willing to sacrifice anything in order to keep HA and lebanon under their attacks. This way, they dont have to worry about a strong lebanon in the long run, they dont have to worry about some 1+ million HA fighter all along their border. Mich cheyif kiff kell 10 ysr bya3mloulna hazet badan ?!!

  Isreal was not interested in peace then and is not interested in peace now and will never be in the future . Isreal is looking to dominate the whole mid-east. Israel al kubra is their dream.

  Needless to say, the nazis beleived in an ARYAN ”master race” and the zionists are trying to make a race out of the jews. Their methods and goals are very similar and history will always remeber them as butchers.

  At last , If Hezbollah & Palestinian armed groups did not exist, why would Israel attack us ? No my freind, Isreal needs an enemy at all the time same as America and all the big underdogs. And beleive me N, they create their own enemy as well (al qaeda as example)…

  Thank you buddy …

• 8. Ali1559 | April 13th, 2008 at 4:41 am

  N

  My # 6 is not based on my ideas, this is what one of my jewish (anti isreal) professors told few yrs ago. Min honik w raye7 inta 7or tssadi2 walla la2 .

• 9. theCourtFool | April 13th, 2008 at 7:41 am

  Correction to the post: Lebanon was not part of the 6 day war.

• 10. B.R | April 13th, 2008 at 7:48 am

  Defending the Israelis ! What a shame.

• 11. Patrick | April 13th, 2008 at 9:00 am

  Arze,

  You asked, “If Israel was smart, why give HA a reason to exist? Why not just give the prisoners back (etc.)?”

  Isn’t it clear? It’s the other way around. It’s because Israel’s not stupid that they don’t give the prisoners back. They know that HA’s opposition to Israel is not just about land or prisoners. It’s about an Iranian agenda, an anti-Israel/anti-Jewish/continuing-the-Islamic-revolution-of-Khomeini agenda, etc.

  Israel can give the prisoners back. They can leave the Bekaa, leave Shebaa farms, and HA will still use the Palestinian cause as a reason to attack. And how about the Palestinians? Israel can leave Gaza, leave the West Bank, recognize an independent state, and this will only encourage Hamas and Fateh more that victory over Israel is possible, and they will view their independence as a stepping stone to total elimination of Israel.

  So I disagree entirely. And anyway, what the hell do we care if a few HA terrorists are in an Israeli prison somewhere?

  Also, think about the Shebaa farms and the Bekaa valley. Do you think for a second that Israel cares about either the farms OR the valley? Of course the answer is no. This is as clear as the sky in good weather.

  The ONLY interest Israel has in staying in these areas and refusing to leave is they want to make sure that IF they’re going to leave, that the ONLY ones to replace them will be the lebanese army, NOT HEZBOLLAH, NOT THE SYRIAN ARMY, NOT PALESTINIANS. As soon as Lebanon is willing to make an agreement with Israel about this without involvement of Syria, and agree to a specific phased plan where LA troops would replace IDF troops in phases, I guarantee Israel will be ready to withdraw from these areas.

  You said since 1948 Israel’s plan has been to make sure Lebanon has no rest. But tell me, was it Israel who declared war on the Arabs (including Lebanon) and declared their intention to invade the Arab countries (including Lebanon) in 1948? OR WAS IT THE ARABS (including Lebanon) who declared war on Israel, and declared their intention to invade Israel? Tell me, please.

  You said one thing I agree with:

  “You can notimagine what a threat lebanon would have been economically, intellectually, Sofcially , and politcally , if it was in peace since 1948!”

  Great observation. This observation has been made by others in the past, and a comparison has been made to China. We can see how China has opposed the U.S. without declaring it, without fighting with us, but by competing with us on the level of ideas, and economically, etc. And I agree 100% that Lebanon could have been much more successful in its opposition to Israel in this way than in joining the “Arab cause” which is actually not an Arab cause but an Islamic cause that has succeeded in tricking some Christians to believe it’s an Arab cause, and that they should therefore be a part of it. You’re right. If Lebanon had done this since 1948, it would be 100x what Dubai is now. But it’s not Israel’s fault that Lebanon failed to do this. It’s Lebanon’s fault, or shall we say Syria’s fault for manipulating Lebanon to follow their lead like a dog. Well Lebanese are not dogs, but sure as hell took a long time (and still taking too long) to realize the correct path to pursue.

  Naturally, I agree with you 1,000% about the Palestinian camps.

• 12. Patrick | April 13th, 2008 at 9:05 am

  empty words from lebnan_united yet again…

• 13. a5watz | April 13th, 2008 at 9:08 am

  what u are not saying directly N, is that Israel’s presence in the region is a garanty for the Christian’s presence in the region.

  HA’s got the worst weapon of all now: demographic weight. Shias are one third of Lebanon, and growing !!!
  Christians need Israel’s help in tough times, and HA is a growing menace that threatens the Lebanese identity.

• 14. paul | April 13th, 2008 at 10:44 am

  The topic lebanon -israel is very complicated and very controversial.

  For people like me who have no pleasure to think ,I will make the matter easier.

  israeli can destroy syria and iran ,but they do not do it.

  syria and iran want to destroy israel,but they can not do it.

  Who is the evil?

• 15. Tarek | April 13th, 2008 at 2:44 pm

  Israel and HA are on the same side. Israel never wanted to destroy HA and it will never do.

• 16. Johnny.B | April 13th, 2008 at 3:15 pm

  So Ali 1559,

  when u say “Isreal needs an enemy at all the time ”

  then won’tyou consider this 1% of possibility that H.A might be existant for israeli’s continuous reasons to attack lebanon ?

• 17. Amir in Tel Aviv | April 13th, 2008 at 3:18 pm

  This is the most brave post I read in a long time.
  Brave, because what it says is extremely unpopular.

  N, “…Israel does not attack unless attacked”.
  I couldn’t agree more.!

  Ali1559, “…Israel was not interested in peace then and is not interested in peace now and will never be in the future . Isreal is looking to dominate the whole mid-east. Israel al kubra is their dream”.
  Aren’t you tired by now with the “greater Israel” conspiracy? And how on earth would you explain the peace Israel signed with Egypt and Jordan. And the De-facto peace Israel keeps with many Arab and Muslim states.?

• 18. PAULETTE | April 13th, 2008 at 5:50 pm

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• 19. SONIA | April 13th, 2008 at 10:50 pm

  Returned this morning from a two week vacation in the United States. Reading this blog has been my first meeting with the reality of living in Israel.
  My heartfelt thanks to those who are willing to see us as a basically peace loving people who detest being portrayed as evil war mongering monsters.
  Who but a maniac would want to send their beloved sons and daughters to kill their neighbours?

• 20. Arze | April 13th, 2008 at 11:20 pm

  N let me ask you something imagine this…

  You stole my money

  i call you 10 times a day and i ask you to give my money back ! You dont reply or you tell me to Fkkk off

  I call again…and same answer.
  I call the police , The police tells me they ll try to bring my wallet back ! but nothing happens
  I call you again telling you N! give me Damn Money now or….and you dont answer

  so i go to your house on your doorstep and i meet you face to face ! and i ask you again to give me my stolen Money ! you tell me :”Go FKKK yourself”

  At this stage i push you on the right shoulder and tell you give it to me NOW !

  What happens next ?

  10 guys appear from no where and starts beating me like shit ! not only this….You go to my place You kill all my family , all my friends and you plant a C4 down the building and blow it !

  All this…because i pushed you on your shoulder asking you to give me my money …my stolen money

  You can see the above story from 2 different angles

  1)It was my fault , i touched your shoulder for no reason , and all the destruction that you did was for a self defence
  2)I had the right to give you a little warning ,since neither you or the police would listen

  In this stupid story above :
  I am a HA
  You are an Israeli
  The money is the cause ( the land,the prisonners ….)
  My house is lebanon
  My neighboors who died in the blast are other lebanese
  Your doorstep is the Isrolebanese borders…
  The police , is the UN

  In this case N …who is guilty ?
  Dont i have the right to proclaim my stolen money ?
  Why all the UN resolutions concerning Israel are not applied in Lebanon ?
  Why is always HA Blamed and Not israel , knowing that HA is a resistance , a muslim resistance just like LF were a resistanec and christian resistance?
  Would you accept the christian detainees in Syria to be called terrorists?
  Would you accept that some Muslims would say who cares about a few bunch of christians lebanese detainees in Syria?

  Was pushing you on your shoulder considered an attack compared to what you did to me , my family and my neigboors?
  Was Hezbollah kidnapping 2 israeli soldiers , after warning them for years about it….an Attack compared to the war they launch the 2nd day ?Wasnt it obvious that they were prepared to it ?

  I hope that answers your question….

  Surprisingly Israel was not prepared to such a reaction from HA ….Now they are aware that making a war in lebanon , or even a civil war …is not gonna be a walk in the park

  Patrick….The only reason China couldnt go to War with America was because both of them had nuclear weapons : )

  Have you ever seen 2 nuclear countries in open War ?

• 21. Patrick | April 14th, 2008 at 5:11 am

  you asked “if israel was smart, why wouldn’t they withdraw, and deprive HA of a reason to exist.”

  first of all, i don’t hear you talking about syrian withdrawal, even though collectively syria still holds more lebanese land than the shebaa farms and bekaa valley combined, to say nothing of HA/march 8, of syrian intelligence, etc.

  second of all, how is it you can talk like this and then in the same post say, “Isreal needs an enemy at all the time”? First of all, N did a fine job to show that that’s bs. But second, how come you don’t think to say the same about HA?

  also, i like what jim said about aounis… what FPMers used to say about israel (sort of like what aoun used to say in interviews like the one with CBN and the one with aljazeera) is what we are saying here… but since aoun changed his mind, our position on israel is nolonger “accepted,” and we are considered a shame. for what? for not changing our mind like aoun and FPMers? for sticking to the traditional view?

  a5watz and paul both made good points too.

  Ali: don’t give me that “israel doesn’t want to see a strong lebanon” garbage. israel has had no problem to make peace with egypt and jordan and to compete with them with ideas and politically and economically rather than with militaries. and according to you and arze’s view, if israel was really worried about HA, all they would really have to do is withdraw from the bekaa and the shebaa right? no need to respond to HA when they attack you right? lol yeah ok guys.

  listen, the arab countries love to see hamas fight, love to see HA fight, because it takes the attention off of their corrupt regimes and keeps the focus of the people and the hate of the people on israel. and that’s that. johnny b.’s right, if you’re going to accuse israel of wanting HA to exist in order to continue the fight, why is it impossible for you to see it the other way around? and anyway, at least the reason we say the arabs want to see the fight continued makes sense. unlike your accusation about israel, which has demonstrated a willingness to make peace (i already mentioned egypt and jordan, ongoing negotiations with the PA and syria, etc.) and to compete in non-military ways.

  Arze: in your bullshit scenario, what is the money? you defined the money as the land and the prisoners.. what did israel steal from lebanon in 1948 when we followed syria into war against them!?! did israel have lebanese prisoners before 1948? did they have lebanese land before 1948?

  And if the only reason China doesn’t war with America and America doesn’t war with China is because both have nuclear weapons, then how come America didn’t war with China before, when America had nuclear weapons and China didn’t? It’s bullshit. The reason China and America don’t war is because even though both have verrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrry different ideas about government, society, economy, etc. etc. etc., both are determined to compete in non-military ways, i.e., on the level of ideas, on the level of the society, politically, economically, etc. not militarily.

  how come israel doesn’t attack egypt or jordan? israel has nuclear weapons, and egypt and jordan don’t. by your logic, israel would be attacking egypt and jordan with no problem. BUT THEY DON’T.

  and i agree, THIS POST FROM N IS THE MOST BOLD MOVE I EVER SAW ANYONE ON THIS BLOG EVER MAKE. AND I APPLAUD IT FULLY.

  and for all the idiots out there who think that N, or me, or anyone else who agrees with N are blind to the things israel has done wrong, all i have to say is fuck you. we see that. but we also see more than that. we see what you don’t.

• 22. C.R | April 14th, 2008 at 7:22 am

  Very intersting ali, I never looked at this way.

• 23. Johnny.B | April 14th, 2008 at 9:11 am

  Arze GROW UP,

  If it wasn’t for the palestinians who were greedy for money and sold there, none of this would have happened.

  Why should we go into war with israel, because some palestinian loved money more than his country. why should we be the only ones who defend the palestinan cause, and they are the ones who tried to occupy our land.

  and the scenario you mentioned above, should be applied on the syrian who occupied all of lebanon and intervened in our politics and took our decision and tortured us and shut our mouthes and took our freedom. All that israel did was take a small peice of our land (which i don’t blame her for) to make a barrier to protect her citisens from hallucinating islamic maniacs who want to blow themselves, and for what cause, God only knows.

  enough with your crap and little red riding hood stories. Grow up and face the reality for once in your life, and see that arabs are people who can be bought with the cheapest price, and the biggest example for you is the palestinians who sold there lands, and H.A who sold his decision to Syria and iran in return of money (mal nazif) and weapons, which is the only way they can exist in lebanon, coz they can never compete on an educational and cultural level with other existing lebanese sacts …

  Good luck with your brain washed iranian-syrian analysis.

• 24. Arze | April 14th, 2008 at 10:50 am

  Jhonny B God bless you to !

  That scenario applies for Both Syrians and Israelis , I havent mentioned any Paletinian in my reply ….and i clearly said no more palestinian resistance in lebanon ! and i also said that As lebanese HA have the right to resist just like the Christians did with the Syrians

  So please read again , or open a dictionnary next time when you read a post

• 25. Johnny.B | April 14th, 2008 at 11:46 am

  Arze,

  i mentioned the palestinians to bring you to the roots of the problem of the israeli’s existence once in lebanon, and to show you the common things between these two groups. Israel did not steal your money . it’s our fault that we couldnt control the palestinian camps in lebanon, which lead to the israeli’s interventions, and when i say our fault I mean the people who faught with the palestinians against lebanon, and yes I admit it the druze and the sunni’s which are now our allies, and no one can deny that they once faught against lebanon to help palestinians occupy lebanon (god know if would do it again) you knocked on it’s door. and you’re doing it again (july war) ….

  you’re reading things your own way.

• 26. paul | April 14th, 2008 at 8:41 pm

  arze,

  You have forgotten to tell us why these prisoners have been jailed.

• 27. Amir in Tel Aviv | April 14th, 2008 at 9:47 pm

  I understand Arze’s allegory about the “stolen” money, that Israel stole “palestinian” lands.

  Let me quote Mu’amar Qaddafi: the “palestinian occupied lands” between the years 1948-67 were in Arab hands. Why didn’t they use this golden opportunity to establish a palestinian state?
  .

• 28. Arze | April 15th, 2008 at 5:00 pm

  Amir….the money was not refering the Palestinian Occupied land….But For the lebanese ones…for the cause that HA see in fighting you bitc8es

  Let me quote you what An ancient Israeli leader once said : “The 1st Israel defeat against the arabs will be the beginning of their fall…”

• 29. Johnny.B | April 15th, 2008 at 6:28 pm

  Arze,

  and allow me to remind you what you’re beloved palestinian leader said : ” … the road to kods passes through jounieh … ”

  stop being a traitor arze …and realize that the palestinians and the syrians are the ones who tried to occupy lebanon not the israelis …

  and stop supporting H.A, they care less about lebanon as much as the palestinians do … who gave them the right to destroy lebanon to help the cause of the people who tried to occupy lebanon and are the main cause of all our problems … do they love palestine more than lebanon … do you ???

  enough with ur none-sense … and be lebanese for once

• 30. Michele | April 16th, 2008 at 9:04 am

  OMG!!!! Arze, how can u manage to get dumber day after day???!!!!! I’m truly impressed! When i think u reached the maximum of stupidity u come back to surprise us all with more stupidity!!!!!

  N, really great posting above!!!!
  I truly wish from the bottom of my heart that one day we’ll have peace with our neighbour so i could one day go and visit!!!!

  Wanting peace would not make any Lebanese a traitor. Had enough from the syrians/ iranian sh*t…

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