I know this has been a hot topic since yesterday, i refrained from posting it though ..
I found it is better to see how things evolve the next day.
Whatever happened yesterday was very dissapointing and this time the one to blame is Joe Sarkis and his ignorant attitude and of course the LF leadership for not issuing an immediate statement.
The government has been wanting to cut off holidays for a while now, there were rumors about cancelling St Maroun’s day few years ago, but it was not considered, until lately ( 16th) the government apparently agreed on cancelling Holy Friday !!!
Holy Friday is one of the main pillars of Christianity, and cannot be cancelled ..
And no Mr Sarkis, it is not a sad day and UNIMPORTANT one !
Of course FPMers & Marada found this opportunity as a golden one to show their attachment to Christianity and became all patriarches and blamed the LF, they dont mind playing it religiously now, they can switch from lebanese to Christians when needed, hypocrisy at its best as usual ..
( note that Frangieh had insulted the patriarch months ago saying he got horny around some women visiting him)
Back to the main issue, with all due respect to Sanioura and Hariri, that was a very bad call and unecessary mistake, as we do have other holidays that are way less important and should be cancelled, just as the 14th of February since i refuse to have a day off for one martyr and not others and it is not a religious day ..
Patriarch Sfeir got a phone call from Sanioura promising him to get back from that decision.
معلومات صحافية تفيد ان البطربرك الماروني مار نصرالله بطرس صفير تلقى إتصالاً هاتفياً من الرئيس فؤاد السنيورة واعداً إياه بالرجوع عن القرار الخطأ المتخذ والقاضي بإلغاء يوم الجمعة العظيمة من العطل الرسمية ونقله الى يوم إثنين الفصح
But thats not enough, the LF made a serious mistake here by supporting the decision on the media ( Sarkis), and most importantly because Sarkis forgot why the LF existed in the first place…
I’d rather not see any LFer defending this move by Sarkis, or not consider this a mistake, or defend blindly …
I want accountability for that mistake, i dont want our only minister in the government to be an ignorant person not realizing what Holy Friday represents for Christians .. its not all about dollars you know !
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1. frencheagle | June 24th, 2007 at 10:18 am
They better cancell the St Hariri then to touch the holy friday.
2. Shlomo | June 24th, 2007 at 10:27 am
Just to make it clear, the government DIDN’T DECIDE TO DECREASE the Christians Holidays, but to shift the Holiday from Friday to Monday.
I don’t blame the Druze or the Muslims in the Government, I only blame the ignorance of the Christians who came up with this idea or accepted this decision without taking the opinion of the Church.
In my personal opinion, I think that both days should be official holidays.
3. Shlomo | June 24th, 2007 at 10:48 am
Just to make it clear, the Government didn’t decrease the Christian Holidays.
The government shifted the holiday from Friday to Monday.
I don’t blame the Druze or the Muslim Ministers , I only blame the Christian ministers who came up with this idea or agreed on this decision without discussing it with the Church.
Geagea today on Naharkom Saiid also blamed the Chrisitian ministers and said that this mistake will be corrected in the first meeting of the government.
“Bass ya hakim , Joe Sakris shouuu wad3o?????”
Geaega also said that the ones who are profiting from this mistake should have shown their jealousy about the Christians in the past 15 days. and the mistake was done years ago when the government didn’t let the Church or the Islamic religious figures decide what are the holidays that can be cancelled
4. bachir-7ay-fina | June 24th, 2007 at 11:08 am
joe sarkis tafiya w 2e3id fiya
5. Mohammad | June 24th, 2007 at 11:52 am
frencheagle,
you don’t know what happened and you want to speak.
Nobody will decide anything about the christian holidays except the christians. There was a misunderstanding and the idea was about shifting not cancelling!
Don’t start your bullshit about Hariri or… he will not decide on behalf of christians.
Christians ministers with the patriarch will decide and then the gov will follow.
6. Marc | June 24th, 2007 at 12:20 pm
Mohammad, thank for intervening but unfortunately 2 presidents where killed and none of them had an official day so stop your bullshit too.
7. paul | June 24th, 2007 at 12:39 pm
Thats is not a deciding thing.
there is no reason to excitement.
only if we looks for a reason to make the LF week.
typical for 8marcher.
8. rita | June 24th, 2007 at 1:33 pm
is it a mistake?! it’s decision taken in the government meeting after studied and it’s published in the official newspaper. why to shift the hily friday from friday to monday? is it because friday is a holy for muslims? sorry mohammaed but reasonable justifications must be announced. it’s not allowed to say bad things about hariri or others martyrs but if it’s as stated in the decision for economical production, why to make it off in hariri ceremony?!!! is it accepted to shift eid fetr or ramadan starting day? it’s stupid …
9. Mohammad | June 24th, 2007 at 2:04 pm
It seems we have few persons who don’t know how Lebanon is constructed and how the government takes decisions and how the holidays are distributed.
For those who don’t know:
1- Religious holidays are: ½ Muslim and ½ Christian holidays, so, if they want to cancel any day from any side then they have to cancel one day from the other side.
2- In the above topic, they were talking about MOVING the holiday and not CANCELLING it!
3- Christians decide on their holidays and not Muslims and vice versa
4- There is no official day called St.Hariri (this is for you Marc & frencheagle)
5- Don’t make it a Muslim Christian conflict because it is NOT and it will not be. (Imagine now all Lebanese Muslims left all their problems and want to delete one of the Christians holidays!)
Below is the calendar of the official days for 2007 (for those who don’t know)
1 Jan: New Year’s Day.
6 Jan: Orthodox Armenian Christmas.
20 Jan: Islamic New Year.
29 Jan: Ashoura.
9 Feb: Feast of St Maroun.
31 Mar: Mawlid al-Nabi (Prophet’s Birthday).
6 Apr: Good Friday, Orthodox Good Friday.
9 Apr: Easter Sunday, Orthodox Easter.
1 May: Labour Day.
6 May: Martyrs’ Day.
13 May: Resistance and Liberation Day.
15 Aug: Assumption of the Virgin.
13 Oct: Eid al-Fitr (End of Ramadan).
1 Nov: All Saints’ Day.
22 Nov: Independence Day.
20 Dec: Eid al-Adha (Feast of the Sacrifice).
25 Dec: Christmas Day.
Finally, this is our ALL country for all sects. We will share together with respect and not through NERVOUS reactions (whether it is Muslim reaction or Christian reaction).
Please calm down, think, make your objection, and then attack if your problem wasn’t solve.
Thank you all.
10. JoseyWales | June 24th, 2007 at 2:18 pm
The incompetence and misplaced priorities of 99% of our officials is beyond the pale.
The Murr “end of Bared operations” declaration of 2 days ago being another recent example.
OK so vacation days need to be cut, they can’t coordinate that without a screw-up?
Much, much more important: we are at war, under siege, in the midst of several constitutional crises, the economy is screwed and the gvmnt is wasting time on this bullshit???
11. Rodge | June 24th, 2007 at 2:40 pm
Of course it is a wrong decision, and it must be corrected and it will. But guys, in your reactions you’re behaving the way that 8th of March people wanted you to act. I cannot accept that our holy Friday is cancelled, and this decision is soooo wrong, and we should blame the christian ministers of course, but why insulting other people we share the country with, we should not, because there is no other purpose and we should keep the blame to our Ministers. I totally agree with you Mohammad, and we should all act in a civilized way, especially if we believe in all the Cedar’s revolution principles. Finally, i understand all the reacrions, because we as Christians are afraid and looking to the future with doubt, but we should trust in our capacities and in our partners in the country, from all religions and sects, as long they are behaving as true Lebanese, not Syrinas, Iranians, Israelis etc…
12. Shadow | June 24th, 2007 at 2:42 pm
It was a mistake they admitted and it will be rectified.
yalla bassita staghalouwa 3awniyeh mesheh hal .
I feel sometimes ouwet bteshtghoul mazbout, menbalesh nerbah sha3biyeh then they do a silly mistake ka2anou ma2ssouda tanekhsar sha3biyeh li rbehneha.
anyway yesterday they spoke with Patriarch w lah tetzabat bi majles wouzara bass lezem nentebeh aktar men heik mistakes moush ma2soudine.
13. Johnny D | June 24th, 2007 at 4:26 pm
The christian ministers approved on the gvt’s decision to move the holiday to monday the day following Easter Sunday ( they thought that people can attend work and later attend the mass during the evening).
However, Gebran Bassil, Kanaan, and Franjiyeh should not make themselves christian protectors and 7arisseen 3al Masi7iyeh. Their previous actions, comments on christian religious figures, and their current political alliances are not that respectful or benificial to christianity.
Mutran Beshara al Raii said:
“Good Friday is the day when Jesus Christ died for the sake of humanity (Met fida al bashariyeh) and no one can make us neglect that day…”
I’m sure that the government will change it’s decision
To Joe Sarkis, Nayla Mwa3ad and others: Be awake next time during government decision meetings
14. bachir-7ay-fina | June 24th, 2007 at 6:22 pm
hallak sar kelkoun 7obkoun narr.
El ossa ra7 tetzabat ya fahlawiye w tokhlas.
el 3otal nosoun lal eslem nosoun lal masi7iye, bass 2e3lem el 8 march 3emil men el 7abbe ebbe la ykawim el masi7iye 3ala 14march. bala hablanet baka el ossa el sakhife kholsit hawn.
w ya rita ya fehmene elna ne7na 3otal add ma l2eslem eloun.
15. Johnny.B | June 24th, 2007 at 8:29 pm
we must admit that the the LF made a huge mistake by aproving on the dicision min doun isticharet fa3aliyyeit l-masi7iyyeh … walaw ya 7akim ?!?!?!? … ne7na killna ma3ak ya 7akim, bass l-ghalat ghalat w leizim yitsa77a7. w for next time ya LF leaders, “we are not the only christians bill balad, these decisions must be discussed among all parties”
Thank you
16. Christianity Slain | June 25th, 2007 at 4:27 am
Mohammad… Ya mohammad!!!
Listen! Why did your Seniora shift holy friday to another day? To increase revenue???? How do you increase revenue if you move a holiday from one day to another? You’re still taking the same number of holidays!!!!!!
So if you wanna speak next time, try using your brain!!!
El seniora taba3ak kenou el ouwet dab7ou men 20 sini law 3emil yalli 3emlou fa ma t2illi innou el masi7iyi bel 7oukoumi halla2 ilon el arar hinni wel batrak…
Abou ni3 alwa2 wa7dou 3an yekod el arar…St Hariri day is holiday why??? Leich mich St. Gmayyel day? Leich mich St. M3awad Day? Leich mich St. Frangieh day? Walla boukra St. 3ido 3al tari2?
17. Armenian power | June 25th, 2007 at 11:04 am
Bravo Christianity slain!!!
Ou Johnny mat2oul kellna ma3ak ya 7akim la2enno bass inta ma3o!!
18. Mohammad | June 25th, 2007 at 12:14 pm
Christianity Slain,
It seems you didn’t understand any word that I said above. You are still saying thay “MY SENIORA” did this? Where did you see St Hariri holiday???????
I will not debate with you since you have to study what i said above, and to cut it short, listen to what Dr. Ja3ja3 said. Listen to his logic, listen to his analysis.
As for your words “Abou ni3 alwa2″, let me tell you that GOD created him in this way and if you were a true believer, you wouldn’t had said such a sentence which attack the creativity of GOD and not the political behaviour.
19. Johnny.B | June 25th, 2007 at 12:57 pm
Armenina power,
i say what ever i want to say, w ma khassak , its a free country mich 3eijbak rou7 rja3 3a armenia iza fik.
20. S.M.S. | June 25th, 2007 at 2:31 pm
A true Christain making fun of another human’s face.
That blows your concern about Christianity and Lebanese Christains out of the water. Go worship Aoun, why don’t you. Some people are so crass!!
21. Shadow | June 25th, 2007 at 3:26 pm
Bravo Johnny…
22. johnny D | June 25th, 2007 at 3:46 pm
aslan hayda 2arar ma lezim hada yistasheer al teny fee, because it is a religious holiday and politicians do not have the right to cancel it.
23. shu hal 7aki | June 25th, 2007 at 7:52 pm
i just want to greet the guys who spoke calmly here….
and i feel inno “abu nee3 alwa2″ phrase reminds me of hassona mocking bolton’s mostache…my friends is this a way to talk? inno sanyora is he the PM of “mohamad” here or he proved to be a PM of all lebanon? i am talking from a 14 march perspective a least..i myself dont have a feeling of like or dislike this person…but only i rate him on his governmental performance…
its very bad that within 14 march we still here such phrases..shu khalet ya slain la ali amar wel mousawi w bassil w franjeih?
a lot of appology should be exchanged here within many guys who had posted here…i feel ashamed from many guys here.try be 14 marchers from inside and outside also
24. mrlooos | June 25th, 2007 at 8:44 pm
rou7 ya arminian power ya 7abibe rou7 l3ab bi ararat
25. mrlooos | June 25th, 2007 at 8:49 pm
w ya reyt bet2elleh bass ya armenian power kif byo2ro 2esmak(tashagastagan)bass la2en 3a bele 2edde7ak shway
26. S.M.S. | June 26th, 2007 at 1:30 am
Not eveyone here is a supporter of 14th of March ya “Shou hal 7aki”, you can always tell who is or who isn’t even when they are criticizing the government. However I agree with you!!!
27. Delta | June 26th, 2007 at 8:49 am
shu hal haki ????????//
the only person taht ows an apology is abou ni3 alwa2 to all the christians and thats a fact. no2ta 3al sater
28. rita | June 26th, 2007 at 10:00 am
ya “bashir 7ay fina” i know about religious holidays the same for us and muslims, even i don’t look at it this, it shouldn’t be counted numerically, is it?! it’s spiritual practice if we will continue thinking of we take half and they the other half, numbers od churchs and the same for mosque, if so,i will complain why they built huge mosque next to one of our central churche in down town! i am arguing here. and i still insist that it’s not an issue of a mistake to be corrected, my feelings with current events in naher elbared and those terrorists coming to us from everywhere that there is something under the table. sorry for this but i can not hide my worries … and this is a story more than 14 march movement, this is the christian truth.
29. FoX | June 26th, 2007 at 7:57 pm
To all aounists, don’t laugh at the shape of Sanyoura’s mouth because it looks like the tayyar’s slogan when the latter smiles.
fee nes timma alwa2 bas fee wa7ad ma3rouf bi rasso al alwa2 they call him abou sorra
30. bachir-7ay-fina | June 26th, 2007 at 8:44 pm
u r right rita, bass mech deghre men ballich 7ake 3al saniora w 14march. El ossa mech kel halkad kbire la ne7ke kel 7al 7ake w netrouk el allies taba3na.
We have to know that hariri 3emil the 1559 and saniora 3emil 1771 shou ba3ed badna a7la aghla : - Naze3 sle7 kell el milechyet ( HA and flastiniye) li houwe akbar khatar 3al masi7iye mech jemi3 bel nakis w wa7ad bel zeyid .
Metel ma souria fallit men wara el 1559, HA ra7 nokhlas meno wara el 1771.
Kelna mna3rif eno kel el eslem 7elmoun y3amro jwemi3 w khsouse bi manatekna.
Jemi3 bel DT machi mkabil lejwemi3 bi 3amarouwa bi dawa7e zahle w seida w kam mantaka bel maten.
w ya reit ya N10452 mazel rita fati7it el mawdou3 tektoub chi 3an el manatik el masi7iye wel li sarit meselme.
31. Johnny.B | June 26th, 2007 at 9:28 pm
FoX, hahaahah mni7a minnak :p bass let’s not laugh at the others wa illa wleidna byoutla3ou mitlon
32. Sokhoushmoush | June 29th, 2007 at 2:18 pm
Johnny should I remind u that Lebanese christians come from Syria,Present Turkey and Iraq?,..So think before talking…And plz don’t say the word Tashnag cuz u’re making me sick!!
Sanyoura=Sunni Crocodile
33. Johnny.B | June 29th, 2007 at 4:18 pm
Sokhoushmoush,
Are you sure you’re talking to me ???? coz i cant remember when did i say the word tashnag :S
34. FoX | June 29th, 2007 at 7:11 pm
The first Lebanese christians were Lebanese, and to your information the first maronites in Lebanon were Lebanese of mount lebanon and north mountains and not immigrants from syria. Some followers of St MAroun left Syria and came to Lebanon, they didn’t come in many numbers cause they were mudtahadeen, they couldn’t travel countries and borders in great numbers, they preached in Lebanon and made followers… it is until after 200-300 years that syrian Maronites came to the coast(Sawa7el Tripoli and Akkar), but the first Maronites were Lebanese; Maronites of the Mountains.
35. Johnny.B | June 29th, 2007 at 7:35 pm
Fox,
thanks for the back-up man !
36. Delta | June 30th, 2007 at 8:05 pm
Sokhoushmoush
i just wanna remind u thta every one come from heaven also ya siria turkey inta.
37. Sokhoushmoush | July 1st, 2007 at 2:46 am
Johhny B 2abel shaher ou 3 iyyam ou se3tein ou 10 d2aye2 ou 5,5 sawani ista3malt hal kilme ..Ou halla2 ma 2ilta bil 7arf el wa7ad bass 2assadta!!
Then FoX 10x 4 the history class!It was helpful, but 7abibi I’m talking about 1000-1500 years ago,but anyways thank u 4 ur generosity..Delta u’re right ,I can’t argue with what u just said..and mr loos u seem like a backup or a wingman to protect ur fellow Lf-ers!!
Anyway pleasure to argue with u !
38. Johnny.B | July 1st, 2007 at 9:58 am
Sokhoushmoush,
talking about 1000-1500 years ago.. min kein fi abel l-islem ? please ana sar baddi dares … sa22ifna ya Sokhoushmoush !!!
39. Sokhoushmoush | July 1st, 2007 at 8:04 pm
Christians of course …I’m an Armenian and Armenians had the first christian state…So truce!
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