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Both Pierre Daher & Dr.Geagea are wrong ..

Posted by N10452

How was the LBC founded ?

It was launched in 1980 as a national, educational, cultural and non-commercial television. It was Sheikh Bashir’s dream of having a TV that will broadcast to the whole world Our struggle and explain Our cause and get the world’s support.

Bash however did not live to see his dream come true. LBC was finally inaugurated on August 23, 1985 ( Elie Hobeika & Pierre el Daher & Sheikha Solange Gemayel were present in that famous press conference, i still have the video).

LBC became then the LF official TV, and remained so until 1994.

From 1994 till 2005, Sheikh Pierre was handed the LBC management by Hakim ( sallamo el 2amene), and we cannot deny that Sheikh Pierre El Daher did an amazing job by making the LBC one of the leading TVs in the whole Middle East, and founded LBCI and LBC Europe etc etc ..

Politically speaking, LBC stopped being the LF voice since Pierre had to compromise on several issues to keep it running, and sold shares to Pro-Syrian figures who had a major influence on the news. the LBC staff however were mostly LFers ( not anymore though), and it would have been unreasonable to close LBC for their sake.

So we can clearly conclude LBC should have closed since 1994 if we were to judge its political allegiance, since it sold the Cause and everything to stay running. What he did was disrespectful to the martyrs, to Samir Geagea and to the Lebanese Forces, and the least he should have done today is give Hakim & the LF their share from LBC, not just a financial one, but give them their own channel, their own station, an LF TV ( similarly to C33 that was a supplementary channel to LBC).

As for Hakim, He was jailed since 1994 till 2005, he gave Pierre el Daher full control on LBC, assuming he wont be in jail for more than a year or two, however that was not the case and 1 year became suddenly 11.

LBC’s image was totally changed by 2005 and Hakim was welcomed by Sheikh Pierre el Daher to take a share in LBC, but refused to turn LBC into an LF station. Both met several times, Hakim was asking for a larger financial share, and of course for controlling the news, which Daher did not allow.

I must agree with Daher on that one, it is unwise to destroy 11 years of hard work, specially at this critical time, we should have kept things as they are and exploited the good relation with Daher to promote our activities and speeches and use LBC’s potential for LF media monitoring & coverage ..

The demonstration that was sent to LBC ( i dont believe it was an unprepared one), was unecessary and it was useless, it had a bad timing, and no effect whatsoever. Hakim said it himself, things will be dealt with legally and the last thing we need is a clash with LBC.

Dr.Geagea being the LF leader has every right to get his rights in LBC back, however turning this issue into a legal & financial one is wrong from both men, wrong in regards to our martyrs, whose blood helped in building this station, wrong in regards to Sheikh Bashir, who wouldnt wanna wake up and see his dream turn into another tool for dividing Christians.

I cannot understand how more than 10 meetings didnt result in an agreement between two responsible men such as Daher and Hakim, i would have NEVER imagined LFERS demonstrating in front of LBC.

For all who insult me, i thank you, i wont insult back its not how i was taught to argue, but i urge you to read thouroughly this post and understand my perspective instead of accusing me of treason and betrayal not to mention the lame attacks ..

Think LF-wise, think Christian-wise.

Filed under: Editorials, Lebanon, Political
Posted by N10452 on 11.17.07 @ 1:05 am |

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1. Baron | November 17th, 2007 at 1:31 am

Your intentions may be noble, but you are harming the LF big time with such posts and attitude.
Shame on you. I won’t bother insulting you, but I pray that you will come back to the right path.
2. N10452 | November 17th, 2007 at 2:25 am

Elaborate Baron how is this harming the LF and what is insulting to the LF ??

What is the right path as well ??
3. KITKAT | November 17th, 2007 at 2:55 am

BARON,

WHAT N10452 is doing is the correct pass. He is speaking his mind, and on the other hand you are stating yours. Good work N10452 keep it up please!
4. samirgeageaka2edna | November 17th, 2007 at 4:08 am

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5. dj00099 | November 17th, 2007 at 4:14 am

I am not sure about N10452’s background or Baron’s, but I must say N10452 is being apparently fair and i would appreciate it if Baron or others can bring more lights on this subject or when they also comment on other subjects. One thing I hate is to see LF reduced to one person like FPM is reduced to one person. All the respect and love to Hakim but I think it is also urgent to see LF more like an institution with many brilliant brains (and not only one brain) we can be proud of, under Hakim’s presidency for now. i like to be proud of Mr George Edwan for example but I am always surprised LFs do not want to see anybody good even Edwan.
One other issue is that I must say LF has no reason to be if they cannot reassemble most of the Christian community under their wing, by serving this community and by offering it good choices and convincing it not by forcing it like it used to be from time to time during the war and that’s may be why it is easy for someone like M Aoun to say nonsense and still convince because people hated the way LF acted while supposed to protect the community.
One thing I would like to add: if Mr P El Daher of whom we were proud for many years thinks that for example aounists will watch LBC if he is moderate, I think he is wrong. And he should give back what he can of the LBC to LF the institution, but we should recognize that it was not unwise what he did to keep running the LBC OF WHICH WE WERE PROUD EVENTHOUGH WE KNEW it was not free and it still could play a fair role in lebanese politics.
6. nicolas | November 17th, 2007 at 4:58 am

reply number 3 ? what is it about?
do u have any clue that what u wrote has nothing to do wit article ?
n10452 is been realistic so understand what he says and comment on it……….
7. Afif | November 17th, 2007 at 7:55 am

Thx for your oppinion N, I also think that was an unwise way to try to make LBC more useful to the LF.
8. N10452 | November 17th, 2007 at 8:42 am

samirgeageaka2edna,
Similarly as the LBC does not belong to Pierre Daher, same LF does not belong either to Hakim or Bashir or anyone …

You are either LFer in though or you are not …

Samir Geagea is my leader, i never denied it, yet you keep sending stupid accusations …

Anyway i will rely on reasonable readers rather than your worthless input.

Wou hal blog ra7 yidallo ouwet Blog 2in 3ajabak 2amma la2 …
9. samirgeageaka2edna | November 17th, 2007 at 11:02 am

MA TET7ADENEH 3AJABNEH WALA LA2 ENTA DOUD MASSAR EL TERIKH 3ENDAK ATMA3 CHAKHSSYEH
10. Bachir 7ay Fina | November 17th, 2007 at 11:04 am

osem mazbout men li 2elto bass 3melet eno chehrit el lbc w kell chi eja men pierre daher. its ok enno pierre daher 2elo fadel bi tetwir el lbc bass mou2asase bi 7ajem el lbc ma btertekiz 3ala chakhes wa7ad bass 3ala majmou3it afrad.
tene chaghle ya N pierre el daher talla3 masare la yom el masare men el lbc ye3ne ojorto akhada w aktar bi ktiiiiir men ta3abo
11. laylaki | November 17th, 2007 at 11:21 am

samirgeageaka2edna , be mature a bit.
Hold your horses my dear, don’t accuse ur comrades, have a debate in a civilized way, and we don’t mind reading ur opinion and agree on it.
12. N10452 | November 17th, 2007 at 12:13 pm

Bachir 7ay Fina,
You are totally right and i said and repeat, LBC belongs to the martyrs and the LF first and foremost ..

LBC’s money should go to martyrs families .. instead 3am bibee3a lal 3arab ..

But still the man has all the credit for making LBC what it became whether we like it or not ( talking purely professional here).
13. N10452 | November 17th, 2007 at 12:15 pm

samirgeageaka2edna,
Kattir kheir allah mich tami3 kenet wala bi 7ayete la markaz 2awou massare .. wou defi3 min jaybte lal ouwet wala bi 7ayete talabet chi …

Ana li b2arrir wen massare woulli 3am yo2roune … akeed mich inta ..

Bi kel el 7elet, jeye el 2iyyem ..
14. Rodge | November 17th, 2007 at 12:31 pm

Yes both men are wrong and this issue should have been settled long time ago. But i consider what happened on Thursday as a Pierre Daher’s fault, because in this sensitive political period, he should have given the opportunity to Dr. Geagea to speak disregarding their legal differences. But again, the LF has chosen the wrong time to file the suit, which led to the reaction.
15. paul | November 17th, 2007 at 2:04 pm

The law should decide.
16. georges daher | November 17th, 2007 at 2:29 pm

N my friend you are simply mixing things in here. with all due respect to your point of view i don’t share it with you my friend.
1rst you said that the demonstration that occuered in front on LBC was prepared, and in the same paragraph you say that hakim said that this is not the way of dealing with things and that he ordered the guys to back off. well plz can you tell me if hakim don’t agree on such a move and if he ordered the guys to go home who prepared for this demonstration?
2nd, if LF is the owner of LBC so what is DSG fault in demanding what is our right? we all know that DSG is not demanding the money for himself and we all know that LF needs the money for several things and we all know the money crisis that LF is passing through so why Mr. Daher won’t give the 2ameneh to the party who gave him this 2ameneh in the 1rst place?
we all know what 2ameneh means…well try think that you are travelling somewhere and that you give an 2ameneh ato your brother who was fighting for you and giving his blood next to you in battles of life and when you came back u saw that this 2ameneh have grown and became bigger and your brother is not willing to give it back to you, he is not willing to give back what is yours from the 1rst place, what will you do?
we all know that DSG don’t give up his rights and don’t give up the martyrs rights so why do you expect him to give up this right in having the LBC back to the LF?
do you think that the LBC was transmitting the LF points of view during the elections and after?
do you think that HIZBOLLAH, AMAL, FM, FPM,…should have their own stations to promote only their points of view and that LF the christian resistance that you and i lost blood under it’s flag is beeing attacked day and night by these previous stations that i listed and it doesn’t have a station to at least defend itself if not saying to fight back?
PD and others should know that the money that he have now in his pockets and the money in witch he bought LBC with is not his, this is the money of LF and only LF. WALID BIN TALAL is bying Bashir dream ya 3alam wake up. our dream our money and our martyrs blood is being sold bit by bit to the saudies, the iranians, the syrians and all the scumbags of the arab world. even our lands are being sold to these people. wake up before it’s to late, they are taking from us what they couldn’t take in war time, we are selling our martyrs blood in every single step that we are doing as christians. N you want us to think LF WISE? you want us to think CHRISTIAN WISE? that is how you all should think…one person who died everyday for 11 years for the sake of the martyrs and the christians need all our support because he is the only one who give a damn about christians in lebanon. one party who gave 10,000 martyrs and more for the sake of christianity in the middle east is being killed and strangled bit by bit and we are doing nothing to stop that.
17. Danny | November 17th, 2007 at 2:34 pm

Paul is correct. Let the courts decide. A lot of the analysis and comments are ifs and buts. The most important factor was that the LBC was transferred to Daher for “safe keeping”. Majority of the decisions under Syria’s gun are null and void. Whether Daher did a good job is not the point here. Most likely he should be a part owner. However, we cannot state that LBC would’ve shut down if it were not for Daher!!
Return the station to its rightful owners and stop the nostalig or “let’s make everbody happy” crap that is typically Lebanese and extremely Destructive!!
18. N10452 | November 17th, 2007 at 2:40 pm

georges daher,
We are an organized party and no one can launch sudden demonstrations without Hakim knowing nowadays … and you know that very well … and i will not go further on this point since its not something i am so eager to discuss .. it was a mistake.

AS for LBC,
I dont know that the Lf is in need of money, Adwan promised an accuontability 2 years ago i think yet nothing showed up .. i dont know how we can afford Me3rab and still need money .. i dont know where did all that money go …

LBC cannot become LF tv, it is a stupid thing to do since it will ruin 11 years of work, it is a leading TV in the region, you dont mess it up that way .. you reach an agreement.

look at FTV, it was competing with LBC before it turned political and now ma bton7adar ..

I totally support a TV for the LF, but not this way, definitly not this way !!

Pierre & Hakim were close friends, we cant be doing this to ourselves …

As for Hakim’s suffering, he assumed his responsability throughout the 11 years, he showed immense commitment and strengh which i defended every single day of his jailing, but that doesnt mean if something is wrong, i go with the flow and not point it out …
19. Tarek | November 17th, 2007 at 3:27 pm

Well my problem with Daher is that he is sold and in process of selling shares of LBC.
20. georges daher | November 17th, 2007 at 3:30 pm

N my friend about the demo. you said one thing and then you said another. i was just pointing at that and i did not say that hakim didn’t plan this demo. i was just saying that you said a thing and it’s opposite. plz read your post again.
in the matter of fact i am with the demo. my friend and i know why SG planed it. you think about the issue and you will know why hakim did that.
as for me3rab, well there are some people rah ysihouna bi tadhiyetoun w mou2awametoun bi franca where they were living in castles. after all he have done i think hakim earned this place. god he was living for 11 years in a solitary cell my friend ne22o 3leih ba3ed. lol
you are preaching about LBC and who it’s not good to become an LF tv. well it’s better this way to see 2 interviews for hakim one canceled for “technical” problems on NTV and one canceled because PD don’t have any professionalism in his work. just for his dignity as a ra2is majlis 2idaret the best TV station in the middle east he didn’t have to take it so personel my friend.
wen l 2ehtiraf???????
so i think it’s better to have the leader of the LF not having a place to say his opinions on any TV station then to have LBC as our TV?
DSG is being cornered and he became a person that is not welcomed on the TV stations in lebanon because he is the LF leader and the powerful barrage against the syrian and iranian invation of lebanon, LF is a daily target for the pro-syrian media and we don’t have a paper to defend our selves in this war.
w akid akid akid if LBC is a LF TV betsir tenhadar la anno halla2 hiyeh ma btenhadar.
cheers
21. elie | November 17th, 2007 at 3:36 pm

LBC should be run in a professional way
Pierre daher didn’t invest money in LBC
it Was LF money …. christians money.
Pierre Daher is a great manager….and great managers usually in all big companies get few shares+ salary…but that’s it…few shares…not 51% of the shares.
LF should get the 51% of shares…
Now ….about political issues….
I don’t ask LBC to start it’s new with Dr.Geagea activities…this will be very stupid…and unprofessional…But LBC news cannot be neutral…it should send LF message in a clever way…without pushing people that are not LF supporters away….because LF supporters do not need LBC propaganda to change their minds…but the neutral people do need it.
anyway…i’m very surprised how sheikh Pierre daher is doing this…I was thinking he was bigger than this
22. georges daher | November 17th, 2007 at 3:36 pm

by the way guys 3am fakkir ghayyer 3ayelteh ba3ed yalli sar. bahdalna hal zalameh.
lol
23. paul | November 17th, 2007 at 4:34 pm

georgers,

chou ra2yak tsamme 7alak …washington,aou …Bush
24. LF Forever | November 17th, 2007 at 5:07 pm

N,

You are so funny and full of contradictions.

What Daher did? you seems to make him the bigest manager of our era!

Where is the money of the sold shares? Is it in the LF cassa?

Looking to know from you Wise man where is our money. You who consider himself balanced and insult el rifak first than being insulted.
25. dj00099 | November 17th, 2007 at 5:46 pm

I agree with the following among other:

as for me3rab, well there are some people rah ysihouna bi tadhiyetoun w mou2awametoun bi franca where they were living in castles. after all he has done i think hakim earned this place. god he was living for 11 years in a solitary cell my friend ne22o 3leih ba3ed.

halla2 many people think LBC ma btenhadar. adding some of LF spirit to it may be good. But be carefull: look at FTV, it was competing with LBC before it turned political and now ma bton7adar ..

Both P Daher and Adwan have to show us where money goes if LBC and LF are to be more popular. But I am not sure somebody cares about popularity. Maybe only autority matters in Lebanon?
26. GEORGES DAHER | November 17th, 2007 at 7:20 pm

lol. paul walla ya man eza 3melet heik the wilayet al fakih guys byehedrouleh dammeh. hehehe
27. Arze | November 17th, 2007 at 10:59 pm

N10452 ! Wise Article
28. fad14 | November 17th, 2007 at 11:10 pm

a non LF lbc is not watchable.
lbc promoted aoun in the 2005 elections and helped him gain better ground.
if its not and LF tool, then its worthless, change the name and keep the lbc name to LFers.
After all, what took lbc off the ground was its identity which it lost after 1994.

lbc ground should be pro LF and keep lbc sattelite neutral.
29. Shadow | November 18th, 2007 at 1:53 pm

LBC FOR Lebanese Forces w ne2ta 3al Sater . The money generated from LBC should go first to the martyrs families second to funding Lebanese Forces.
Pierre Daher betrayed Lebanese Forces and he is thinking only Abou Money , he has sold it to Saudi , LBC is not anymore Lebanese Station it is now Saudi Station as it majority of shares are owned by Saudi . Few years later you won’t see LBC as they will change the name to Saudi station and Pierre Daher will live happily with the money that he took which is not for him .

Finally Pierre Daher acted in an UNPROFESSIONAL Way by cancelling Hakim Interview.

LONG LIVE LF.
30. ziko | November 18th, 2007 at 2:19 pm

Money Money. One is spending them on his family and the other one is spending them on a new house, maqar, … while the LF who are in need are being kicked out when they ask for financial help.

Money Money Money …. ad they tell you both hine aminin 3ala el shouhada …

When was the last time Daher or Geagea gave a cent to a mother of a martyr?

Money …….. this is the cause these days …. Money …..
31. fake | November 18th, 2007 at 4:29 pm

zikko wa2ta el hakim 3emel el tadamoun w3emel auxilia w ghayr mou2asaset kenet la khedmet kel el moujtama3 el masi7e bel te7did bi wa2ta ken fi 2edra hala2 ma 2edir y2assis hala2 ba3ed ma khalas tonzim el ouwet khedou b7elmkoun lal hakim. ana bade 2es2alkoun kelkoun 2ento el 3am ten3o chou adamto la ahele el chouhada ghayr ketret 7ake mech aktar w ana wahad menkoun w mennoun. fa tawlo belkoun bas ysir fi syoule akid rah ysir fi cheghel w tonzim aktar w pro
32. GEORGES DAHER | November 18th, 2007 at 5:50 pm

way to go fake… i 2nd you on that rafi2.
take care
33. Bachir Sayegh | November 18th, 2007 at 10:43 pm

me3rab is not in Samir Geagea’s name it is for the LF .it’s like the LF white house.
As for the LBC law suit , i agree 100% with N , and for the 1st time too .Making LBC LFTV is simply blowing it up .We are smarter than that .
34. fake | November 19th, 2007 at 11:45 am

khaye chou khas ta3moul el lbv=c lftv aw la2 khaye khoud ha2ak w3tine ha2e ya 3amme eza ana 3titak testamer ared aw mahal bado yeje yowm w ekhedoun menak chou hal 7ake bel niheye enta stafadet w ana kamen ma fik tekoul el bayda wel te2chira khaye chou hal hake
35. Moukawem | November 19th, 2007 at 6:21 pm

keep on doing what youdo Best
36. bchara | November 21st, 2007 at 10:30 pm

lezim il lbc itkoun la samir geagea3 wou pierre il dahir w lezim yikouno chouraka mich ye5telfo la2ano mou2assase mitle il lbc mich rah tssaker kermel cha5sen 3am ye5telfo min bi dira ba3den pierre il daher galat galta kbire ma3 il doctor samir la2ano sar millionaire men wara ..w ba3den mich hek bi koun il wafa