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• 1. NEWS | October 9th, 2007 at 10:51 pm

  The US plans new military presence in Lebanon including big air installation close by Syrian border

  http://debka.com/headline.php?hid=4659

  http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=6748

  http://www.counterpunch.org/lamb05302007.html

• 2. Boutros Abi Sleiman | October 10th, 2007 at 12:17 am

  Allah El Ouwet El Hakim w bass

  BOUTROS TANIOS ABI SLEIMAN

  AANNAYA , MAR CHARBEL. BYBLOS , LEBANON

• 3. mikel | October 10th, 2007 at 1:58 am

  I think people are afraid to say bad things about taef, because it represents the whole muslim-christian living together idea.

  But the fact is that Taef was nothing but a cease-fire agreement, you can’t build a country on Taef.
  And we’re seeing that today.

• 4. fad14 | October 10th, 2007 at 6:07 am

  I thought the cause was a free Lebanon, not a free christian area of Lebanon.

• 5. fad14 | October 10th, 2007 at 6:08 am

  And this is where 10452 come from and not 1/3 of 10452, lets say 3452 !!!!!

  Maybe you should change your name to N3452.

• 6. mikel | October 10th, 2007 at 6:20 am

  Fad

  the cause IS a free Lebanon.
  Here we are today living by Taef, is it working? NO!

  Bro, why are you so against federalism?

  It’s the best solution for lebanon;
  We can make the best of each of our religions’ advantages.

  We’re not in this just to get our own christian areas, it’s the best for all of us.

  The US is free, and they’re a federal state,
  so is Canada, Germany, Austria, Belgium…
  And those countries are doing pretty good right now, unlike us..

• 7. mikel | October 10th, 2007 at 6:26 am

  If we’re gonna have a big dilema like this every 10 years, and the whole country is gonna come to a grinding holt, then we will damage our image–more than it already is– and we lose the respect of the international community, and we’ll be like a bunch of tribes.

  So let’s cut the crap with this “ta3eyoush moushtarak” because it’s obviously not working.
  We need to stop pretending that everything is A Okay, and find a radical solution once and for all, and we believe that federalism is that solution.

• 8. fad14 | October 10th, 2007 at 8:20 am

  Mikel:

  I refuse to go to Jounieh and say i am going to the christian area or state of Lebanon. I refuse to go to beirut and say I am going to the Muslim area of Lebanon. I refuse to go Aleih and say I am going to the Druze Area or state of Lebanon.

  I am Lebanese and not a muslim or a christian.
  Our country is what unites us. Down town beirut, Harisa, Annaya, Farraya, Bekaa and Halewet el Jibn in Tripoli and a trip to Tyre on a good sunday to buy fresh Akkeh Dinya and Oranges.

  This is who we are and not a bunch of losers who cant agree to share the limited resources that we have.

  We make the same Manousheh, we have the same tabbouleh.
  We put the same xmas tree in december even those who dont celebrate xmas, Santa clause used to go to all schools and give gifts before we go on the first school break.

  Our basketball team is 2nd in asia and not the muslim team or the christian team.

  Our flag doesnt have a cross or crescent in it. It has blood and cedars and a desire for peace.

  Bashir Gmayel became a president for 10452 and not 3452, he didnt even talk about division, he talked about unity.

  You love him for fighting Muslims and Druze ???? or You love him for trying to unite a strong country ??????
  You love Geagea for fighting Michael Aoun or uniting with your past enemies ????

• 9. fad14 | October 10th, 2007 at 8:30 am

  Just some thoughts.

  Christian area flag will have orange in it or not ????
  Lets say a delta in the middle with little orange on the side and blue for armenians and red for martyrs and a litte green for marada and a $ sign for michael el murr

  sunni area will have saudi arabian flag in blue rather than green for future movement and a crescent on top of a cedar tree that doesnt look at all like a xmas tree.

  We all know how the HA flag will look like and they will still be busy liberating shibaa in 2087 and asking for the remains for samir Quntar.

  The Druze flag is a mystery

  The palestinians in Lebanon would have finished their 100th year still wanting to go back and we still refusing to settle them in.

  Armenians will go for a Toefel like exam for arabic.

  We will have different history books. One with Bashir the Hero, One with Nasralla the hero and one with Hariri the hero and one with Jumblatt the hero

  We will have new geography books talking about the great division of 2010.

  We will have 4 or 5 Lebanese universities and AUB will be Muslim only with few christians who dare to venture to that side of town.

  LAU Jbeil and Beirut get divorced and in Beirut Christians will not get financial aid and vice versa in Jbeil.

  We will have a new airport in Jounieh since christians dont want to go to Beirut airport, first because its called hariri airport and second because they are not treated properly there.

  Druze will have to flatten a big piece of land in al Shouf to fit planes in them and Shiaa have no problem landing in syria as long as they can STOP at the blessed Syria Army check point.

  Its just my imagination.

• 10. manolito | October 10th, 2007 at 8:50 am

  Some people speak against federalism while they never read what fedederalism is. One of them is George Adwan.
  N1042, he speaks this way because this is the policy of Samir Geagea. Federalism is not anymore the project of the LF. It is sad that many rifa’ died on the fronts defending this project. Geagea and Adwan should have visited the mothers of the martyrs first and ask them forgiveness.

• 11. THERESINIA | October 10th, 2007 at 11:26 am

  To fad 14, and all friends,

  Switzerland is a federal country and yet is ONE COUNTRY. Countries like Germany, Austria, U.S.A. , Canada, etc. are also federal countries.
  A federal country is not divided into shia, sunni, maronites, orthodox, druze, etc..it only allows more autonomy for managing administrative, jurididical, educational and economical matters. Thus, in Switzerland, the canton of GENEVA is called the REPUBLIC OF GENEVA. Yet, Geneva is an indivisible part of Switzerland. But when the people of Geneva vote, they vote for the candidates in Geneva not for the rest of Switzerland.
  Wouldn’t everyone be happy (economically and financially) to look like Switzerland? Before the war, Lebanon was called the SWISS of the Middle East. Look where we are today?

• 12. THERESINIA | October 10th, 2007 at 11:34 am

  More and more countries are trying to adopt FEDERALISM. Actually, France has given much greater responsibilities and autonomy to its “Departements” and “Communes”. Belgium has done the same and is looking to create more autonomy between the “Flamands” and the “Wallons”. Italy, has also “regions” which can be very much considered as a kind of federalism. Brasil, Venezuela, and most countries in South America are having federalism.
  Finally, the experience of FEDERALISM seems to be one of the most succesful ones in contemporary history.

• 13. arze | October 10th, 2007 at 12:16 pm

  I would love to share this article with you guys…

  التوطين قصة حريرية مستمرة
  ميشال حديّد 10 تشرين الأول 2007

  * يتداول سياسيون في صالونات ضيّقة فتافيت “خطة” مفادها: “جرّدوا المقاومة اللبنانية من سلاحها أولاً، وخذوا التوطين ثانياً وأعطونا المال ثالثاً”.
  مثل هذا التداول يجري أيضاً في ردهات سياسية غربية لا تؤيد بلدانها القرار الدولي رقم 194 الخاص بعودة الفلسطينيين. وتعتبر حكومات تلك الدول وجود المقاومة اللبنانية عائقاً استراتيجياً في وجه التوطين، ولذلك كانت حرب 12 تموز 2006، واستمرّ الكلام الدولي على سلاح المقاومة من دون الحديث عن السلاح في المخيمات الفلسطينية في لبنان. وأما الحديث عن خطر سلاح المقاومة اللبنانية على اسرائيل فيأتي في المرتبة الثانية.

  * التوطين الفلسطيني في لبنان أصبح أمراً واقعاً.. كذا تقول دوائر عالية في عواصم القرار الدولي. لكن اللبنانيين يأملون في ألا تكون حصة بلدهم من الفلسطينيين أكبر مما يتحمّل واقعه الديموغرافي وإلا فإن مقاييس كثيرة سوف تتغيّر ولن يمرّ ذلك من دون وقوع انفجار كبير.
  “الحريرية السياسية” التزمت خطة التوطين منذ التسعينات من القرن الماضي. وكانت لها محاولات جدّية في هذا المضمار سواء عن طريق التجنس أو بناء مدن جديدة قادرة على استيعاب الآلاف من اللاجئين الفلسطينيين. ثم تجميد المشروع مؤقتاً ريثما تهدأ عاصفة الرفض اللبناني. لكنه لم يُلغ ولم يُستبدل بحل دولي آخر.
  ***
  * وعلى الخط نفسه، لا يستبعد مراقبون دوليون أن يكون إدخال عناصر “فتح الاسلام” الى لبنان بذلك الشكل المنظّم، والتسلّح العالي التقنية، والمال الوفير، والانتشار في مناطق لبنانية واسعة على شكل خلايا نائمة او متحركة “بريئاً” الى درجة التسليم بأن السلطة اللبنانية لم تكن على علم مسبق بالامر. من هنا نامت المؤسسات والدوائر الامنية والقضائية المختصة على ما لديها من معلومات وافرة جمعتها من خلال التحقيق مع الموقوفين والاسرى. وكذلك لم تستجب حكومة السنيورة النداءات الداعية الى تشكيل لجان نيابية – قضائية للتحقيق في العملية برمتها ومعرفة الجهات التي كانت وراء “فتح الاسلام” وانفلاشاتها.

  منظمة “فتح الاسلام” جاءت لتفجير صاعق الفتنة الاهلية في لبنان. لكن دخول الجيش الوطني على الخط الساخن قضى بشكل بطولي على المخطط الجهنّمي.. وعندها فقط، وبعد مرور ثلاثة أشهر على حرب مخيّم نهر البارد، ضمّت واشنطن “فتح الاسلام” الى قوائم الارهاب الدولي. لماذا تأخرت واشنطن أكثر مما يجب في اتخاذ مثل هذا الموقف؟.. لا أحد يسأل ولا أحد يجيب.
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  * منظمة “فتح الاسلام” لم تقم بعمل عدائي واحد ضد اسرائيل، ولم تعتدِ على سفارة أجنبية واحدة في بيروت. أعمالها الاجرامية والتخريبية والارهابية خصّت بها لبنان وحده. الهدف الاستراتيجي من استقدامها الى لبنان كان لتحقيق ما لم تتمكّن من تحقيقه حرب 12 تموز 2006.
  حكومة السنيورة تتصرّف الآن كما لو ان حرباً لم تقع في شمالي البلاد، بل تحصر اهتمامها في طمر ملفات التحقيق والهاء الرأي العام اللبناني بملفات محلية مختلقة كالحديث عن تسلّح التيار الوطني الحرّ وتدريباته القتالية.
  ***
  * ملاحظة:
  لا يمكن لمشروع التوطين الفلسطيني ان يمرّ في لبنان في أجواء صافية ومستقرة. لذا، على اللبنانيين ان يتوقّعوا زخّات أخرى من المشاكل والمتاعب على أرضهم. فالتوطين قصة حريرية مستمرة.

• 14. Ali | October 10th, 2007 at 12:29 pm

  Fad touche!

  The only way Lebanon will ever see the light of day as a nation is to divide state from religion. A first step would be to allow civil marriage. The people deserve to have their choise in their own hands.

• 15. Rodge | October 10th, 2007 at 1:04 pm

  Federalism is very good, and i think the best poitical and administrative system for Lebanon, and we should all support Federalism.

  But, let’s look to the fatcs today, i think we’re living in a very dangerous period. Eventhough this period looks as ti is the best period to discuss the future of Lebanon, whether should be federal states or else, but the priority now is to save the country from what the others are planning for us. we should clean our country from all who are willing to jeapordise everything for their own interests, who are implementing others interests in Lebanon. in the situation we are in, who’s gonna decide on Federalism, and who’s gonna implement it?
  I think that’s why, the LF command seems a little far obviously from that proposal, but i don’t think Dr Geagea dropped it, but he’s aware that it’s not the right time to discuss it now.
  Let’s first have a President, a real one, and then a Government, later let us clean the country and become masters of our own decisions for real, and then we can sit on a table and decide on this, and i think now all the Lebanese parties will support Federalism.

• 16. THERESINIA | October 10th, 2007 at 3:13 pm

  RODGE,

  You are the voice of WISDOM !!!

• 17. Zico | October 10th, 2007 at 4:30 pm

  By dropping your political project, you are dropping what you stood and stand for. Samir Geagea went to jail because he proposed federalism. People died because they believed in this project. People were tortured and jailed because of the LF project. What happened to the LF is due to the political project it carried and not anything else. By dropping this project, you are giving in tot eh Syrians, when the Syirans left already. A political party loses itself and its sacrifices once it drops its political project.

  When you live in dangerous situations, you should have the courage to propose a solution that will defuse the situation and not by adopting the crisis itself.

• 18. Bachir 7ay Fina | October 10th, 2007 at 4:54 pm

  wala marra l7akim 2al NO sari7a lal federaliyye.
  bass ya N do u think eno fik ta3mil federaliye w osem kbir men el masi7iye li le7kin 3awn ma badoun yeha ????

• 19. Rodge | October 10th, 2007 at 5:18 pm

  Theresinia,

  Thanks a lot, and i can say also that u’re the voice of Logic urself.

  Guys don’t get jealous. hahaha

• 20. Rodge | October 10th, 2007 at 5:54 pm

  Guys excuse me for saying the following:
  N, and Zico and all the brothers here,

  I agree with you about Federalism, but i don’t agree the idea that all the martyrs died because they were fighting for federalism. No, honestly i think there is a mistake here. Our martyrs died because they were defending Lebanon, they were defending freedom, their lands and familes, they were defending Christians and Muslims also, they were defending what Lebanon represents in this region, they were defending great values.

  Of course the LF proposed Federalism and defended it, but it is not the main reason to the LF birth. Federalism was one of the LF targets, and i think it still a target, but priorities and circumstances changed.
  Also Zico, Dr. Geagea did not go to jail because he wants Federalism, but because he believed in Free Lebanon and didn’t want this country to be another district of Syria.

• 21. Johnny.B | October 10th, 2007 at 6:11 pm

  لبنان على حافة التصحّر - غاباتنا تلتهمها ألسنة النار

  Apart from our culture, our intelligence, our respect, our intellectuality, our history, our heroes, our traditions, our heritage, our four seasons, our great weather, OUR GREEN TREES AND FORESTS are one of major things that seperates us from our surrounding badou countries !!!

  Can we still call them green? People in Lebanon are too busy taking sides in the major arab conspiracy against Lebanon starting from libiya to syria to iran to U.A.E to qatar to K.S.A to Jordan, to … If lebanon rises, they will fall, Lebanese don’t realise that what they are fighting for, is burning right beneath there noses and they are not giving a damn about it !
  The next thing we know is the fire eating the Cedars.
  I applode all the Lebanese people for not acting. Yes that’s the way to lose a country.

  Truth about arabs, no one Lebanon’s friend, and everyone of them his enemy.

  TRUTH ABOUT US, we are not Lebanon’s friends either, everyone of us is his enemy.

• 22. paul | October 10th, 2007 at 6:25 pm

  علم ان مجموعة من منطقة جبلية جرى تدريبها لدى حزب يقود “المعارضة” عاد احد اعضائها مقتولاً وآخرون مصابين اصابات خطيرة ما يؤكد “طبيعة
  ?????????????????????????????????????????

• 23. paul | October 10th, 2007 at 6:26 pm

  … ذلك التدريب

• 24. Johnny.B | October 10th, 2007 at 6:38 pm

  paul,

  l-slei7 bi id l-#@$% byijra7 …
  HAHAHHAHAHAHAHHAHA

• 25. Rodge | October 10th, 2007 at 7:44 pm

  Johnny Bro,

  The fires are a part of the plan to destroy Lebanon, and you’re absolutely right in your comment, but nothing will destroy our will to live and rise again. We are a people who was born on resistance and survival, so nothing will change a thing. Lebanon will be Lebanon, and his people will stay in this land.

• 26. fake | October 10th, 2007 at 9:15 pm

  chabeb you should choose from the following options: either the rifa2 died for the 10452km square or for federalism. It cannot be for both at the same time it is not logic. I support the federalism it is a good solution. But the taef agreement could be also a solution. It gives all the ethnics and religious groups the right to act as what they believe. Of course, a new electoral law is needed for many reasons: to give all the ethnic groups the right to elect their own deputies that will lead to a self confidence between all those groups and the governments. Nobody will feel unsafe, unsatisfied and so on.
  Let’s go back to the federalism solution which I prefer. I am from chouf district; if the federalism became the new law of Lebanon would I be able to act freely in my own hometown? What about jezzin? North? South there are plenty of Christian’s cities. What would you do to protect them? Because they will become under others rules. Plz give me a solution and I will support it.

• 27. paul | October 10th, 2007 at 10:26 pm

  ok johnny.B bass mich bass njara7o, fi minnoun “stashhado” kamen

• 28. mikel | October 11th, 2007 at 1:44 am

  Fad, my friend

  You’re making it sound like LEBANON WILL BE DIVIDED, which is WRONG.

  You will still be able to go wherever you want, whenever you want.

  You will still be able to live with other religions.

  We will still be united.

  Bass bayne w baynak:
  When I used to go to school in Lebanon, we didn’t have a history book, apparently it’s because the people at the ministry of education didn’t agree on what to put in it.

  Lebanon is already divided;
  The south is already shi’a
  The mountain is already Druze
  Mount-Leb is already christian
  etc…

  During the war, when the Chrisians had their own unofficial state, they were runnig things pretty well, considering there was a war.

  Fad,
  I live in California
  I can drive to Nevada in the week-end, where there are different laws and rules and regulations, I don’t need a passport, there’s no fence or barbed wire.

  In New Hampshire, gay marriage is legal.
  In other states, it’s not.

  The people of NH approved of gay marriage so they made it legal in their state,
  and everyone else just minded their own business.

  The people of Florida didn’t setup tents in front of the White House because they don’t agree on the issue, they just kepyt it illegal in their state

  This was just to give an example that Federalism is GOOD.

• 29. fake | October 11th, 2007 at 7:17 pm

  mikel usa manna lebnen w 2aeza sar fi federalism bi lebnen rah tsir 3a 2ases to2sim ta2efe w kel state el ta3ife el 2a2wa rah tofroud 2awanina w doustoura fa ma khas gay marriage aw civil marriage aw ghayro bi usa el to2sim el federale mech 3a ases ta2efe

• 30. Bachir 7ay Fina | October 11th, 2007 at 7:49 pm

  bokra guys bte3la2 el 7arb iza ma sar fi federaliye w mnezra3 7achiche w mn saddir. chou badkoun a7la!!!

• 31. mikel | October 12th, 2007 at 1:37 am

  fake

  kenet bass 3am ba3te matal

  hon bi amerca by5telfo 3a 2chya mch ta2ifiyye w kl wileye ma3roufe iza mnft7a aw la2.
  Bi lbenen l to2sim bi koun ta2ife li2an ma mn2dir nettefi2 3a kll chi mn hal ne7ye.

  W ana bass ken badde waddi7 enno l federalism mch m3neta mnt2asam w mnsir 2a3de2…

• 32. fake | October 12th, 2007 at 3:36 am

  sadi2e bi moujarad ma sar fi federalism doghre kel tayfe rah tethakam bi wileyeta w rah thot chrouta take what happend when india took it is independence the muslims asked for their own state and they got it but that state became a country after a while after a big conflict between the ethnic groups and i am sure that’s what will happen in lebanon it will start as a federalism and later as confederalism or many coutries fighting each others for no reason

• 33. THERESINIA | October 12th, 2007 at 12:16 pm

  Dear ALL,

  My father who was one of the few to participate in the creation of the L.F. after the fall of Tall Zaatar, told me that the Christians were fighting to defend themselves against the palestinians who wanted to take over Lebanon instead of their own country. As Bachir Said: “we were attacked as Christians, we defended ourselves as LEBANESE”. Ideas of FEDERALISM came LATER on. The first proposal came from Camille CHAMOUN (Februray 1976, at the KHELWE of SAYDET EL BIR); he submitted a complete document prepared by Lawyer MOUSSA PRINCE.
  Then Raymond EDDE (from Paris) proposed - what he had proposed BEFORE the WAR - a NEUTRALITY for Lebanon, recognized by the United Nations (not a NEUTRALITY to be discussed internally among lebanese, but to be accepted through a vote by the U.N. GENERAL ASSEMBLY). At the same time BACHIR had asked several L.F. research committees (i.e; Group ALPHA) to come up with several alternatives modifying the STRUCTURE itself (i.e; Federalism, Confederalism, etc..)
  Consequently, Bachir was invited to Germany (to the BUNDESTAG - the German Parliament, and the Conrad ADENAUER Foundation, etc.) to discuss and study the German Federalism system.

  What MIKEL has mentioned above is ABSOLUTELY correct concerning FEDERALISM.

  It is NOT a division of a country. The country is UNDIVIDED. Federalism is equal to a DECENTRALIZED STRUCTURE with some autonomy given to departments (CANTONS in Switzerland). The country retains ONE President, ONE ARMY, ONE Ministry of FOREIGN AFFAIRS, ONE Ministry of DEFENSE, ONE Ministry of Energy (Electricity, Telephone, Water, etc… are provided for ALL the country
  Regions can have their own POLICE, their own TAXES, etc…
  The FEDERAL system HAS PROVEN to be ONE of the best systems in the world that is STABLE and socially and ECONOMICALLY successful…

• 34. THERESINIA | October 12th, 2007 at 12:27 pm

  Dear ALL,

  I want you to know that before SWITZERLAND become a federal country, IT WAS AT WAR. The war lasted 101 years between the “german Swiss” and the “french Swiss”. They STILL, until TODAY, don’t like each other very much. But they have so much wealth and so much money that they understand that THIS FEDERAL SYSTEM is for the BENEFIT OF ALL.

  Why don’t we ask some SWISS experts in LAW, CONSTITUTION, LEGISLATION, etc. to come and give their advice and EXPERIENCE on how we should proceed in Lebanon???

• 35. mikel | October 13th, 2007 at 2:00 am

  Thanks Theresinia for backing up my point.

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