Shameful Quotes ( continued) ..
Posted by N10452First of all the authors of the two quotes i mentioned in my earlier post were respectively:
Joe Sarkis, our only LF minister of tourism.
Wehbe Katisha, the LF responsible in Akkar ( who was lecturing on Lebanon’s geography and its relation with Middle eastern countries in Kousba, El Koura ).
Let us take a minute to congratulate both Lfers on truly spreading unseen before, unheard of Lebanese Forces views.
Added to that, i will answer some of the replies i got, mainly george daher’s reply.
Your replies are very worrying my friend and they truly show how much you are missing out … this dhimmitude among our supporters nowadays is truly astonishing !
so he is saying that the LAF can’t handle the streets alone, so where is the wrong thing in this quote, if the parties don’t put limits to the partisans and help the army in minimizing the riots in the streets would that be very wrong?????????
Are you serious ?? Do you know what you are suggesting here ? that LAF cant be trusted to do its job ? that we must RELY on HA & AMAL intelligence to keep the streets calm ? that we must RECOGNIZE those parties and ask them to assist the army ??
Whats wrong then with letting Hezbollah defend us against Israel ???
Hakim told us to talk it slowly ? fine 3a rasse .. but from ALL the speeches Hakim gave lately, i never saw one where he doubted the army or recognized the HA militia as a party that should help pacifying the streets. We fought to defend our regions when the army was uncapable, but we always came back to the army and sacrificed a lot for that sake. Nowadays when the army needs our support the most, we praise HA intelligence for calming the streets ??
yarayto byihtam bil tourism wou bidallo sekit Joe Sarkis, thats all i have to say.
Now let me get to the more interesting part of your answer, on Christianity and Islam and our dear ‘professor’ Katisha, and i am answering theCourtFool as well as he had something to say on this manner.
so isn’t that the truth? we are 2 major religions and we are dif. then each others but we live in one country and we are if u like it or not interrelated and we complete each others.
I am shocked you dont really realize how dangerous is this conference of this .. you dont realize the huge mistake on all levels ( theologically, historically, culturally, politically etc..) this man did.
How are Christianity and Islam the same ?? how are they integrated and complete one another ?? Min wen la wen ?? Is that what we taught as LF in the past ?? Isnt the basis of our whole thought that Christianity and Islam cannot exist ?? that we need a plural decentralized system to guarantee our free existence as Christians in the Muslim world around us ??
What similarities are they btw Christianity and Islam ?? how do we complete each other ??
Let me continue for you some of the crap that LF responsible came up with :
وتابع: “لبنان هذا البلد الصغير، هو ليس بجزيرة، وهو محاط بدولتين، دولة اسرائيل العدوة منذ التاريخ والدولة السورية الشقيقة الطامعة فيه وبخيراته، وهو رهينة هذه الشقيقة
Israel our ennemy mounzou el tarikh weou Syria el chakeeka ?? loool ..
And no one bothers to say no or question those catastrophies this man just spoke ?? And you wonder why i have a problem with the LF ?? I am not away from the LF my friend, the LF nowadays mich 3erfa 7ala wayna …
Do you want me to copy paste some of the LF lectures we were given ?? bil 80s wou bil 90s ?? Because if you seriously cant see the horror in those statements, then i dont know what LF you belong to.
walla 3eb …
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1. fake | February 19th, 2008 at 10:42 pm
2ama bekhsous wehbe 2atich wayn el ghalat 2eza 2al fi tayeften masihye w 2eslamye chou bikazeb 3layk w bi2ellak fi budhism 2aw sikh aw badak y2elak ma fi ghayr masihye. man toul 3omrak nezel fina amtel men el chahid bachir fa ana kamen rah 2elak matal me 3ando 2oulo el ha2i2a 2ad ma kenit so3be hal ha2i2a.
2ama bekhsous sourya chakika el kel 3am ytalib bi3ale2et mniha ma3a wbizet el wa2et 3am y2elak 2ena ma lezem ba2a tedkhal. exp: khayak aoune (sar houwe w sourya houlafa) w khayak el tene ouwatje (dod sourya) syesetoun dod ba3ed bira2yak batalo 2ekhwe?
2. fake | February 19th, 2008 at 11:06 pm
2ama bel nesbe lal ouwet hye woujidet lal dife3 3an el woujoud el lebnene w ken fya masihye w mouslimin bas ba3dayn wa2ta sar fi khilef ta2ife thawalit el ouwet la masihye saref wla tet2akad rouh nabich bi 2aseme el chouhada taba3 el ouwet betle2e fi mhammad w hasan w ali had elias w toni w michel. fa 2ezan hye kenit dod min bado yghayer wej lebnen mech ghayr chi.
bel nesbe la sarkis 3emel li ma hadan bya3mlo bekhsous el sye7a bas 7areb tammouz halaket ne3met el balad. wbel nesbe lali 2alo ma chefet chi ghalat jatama3 el future w HA w amal ma3 moukhabarat ta ywa2fo el chaghab bel tor2at wlik bi rabbak men wayn jebet khabryet 2eno el jaych ma 2eder yet7amal el mas2oulye? ya khaye w 3teber 2eno 2ala 2eno eza chabeb el ahzeb wa2ta badoun yeflto bel chere3 w kel wahad 3a raso min ba3ed bihade el wade3? laik el jaych abel el hareb el lebnenye ken ktir awe w chefna chou sar fi w chou 3emil dabdab w 2a3ad bi bayto
3. ali | February 20th, 2008 at 2:58 am
man, you need to lighten up. first off, all lebanese share a common language, history, culture, etc… second, there is no difference between any human beings, until we say there is and begin inventing it.
4. georges daher | February 20th, 2008 at 12:15 pm
ya N. u still don’t get it. do you???????
i will finish my work my friend and i will reply to each point you raised in this thread.
just give me few hours. lol
regards.
5. Rodge | February 20th, 2008 at 2:58 pm
N,
Take it easy my friend. There are some facts in Lebanon and we should deal with it.
One of these facts isa that HA does exist and his followers, as well as some of the Army members (mainly Shiites) can cause lots of troubles. So I don’t see anything wrong in trying to solve things wisely fgirst of all.
“Badna nekoul 3inab ma badna niktoul el natour”, and i think we all want that.
Otherwise, everybody are willing to use force, among them the LA.
6. N10452 | February 20th, 2008 at 8:18 pm
No i dont and wont get it ya georges cause you are wrong ..
Natir jawebetak and i truly hope they r good.
Rodge,
Dont wanna take it easy khayye .. fi khtout 7omer mich ma2boul nel3ab fiya ..
7. Tarek | February 20th, 2008 at 9:29 pm
Personally I think we should overthrow all M14 leaders and take the lead our selves. They all suck.
8. GEORGES DAHER | February 21st, 2008 at 8:43 pm
Dear N,
Allow me to reply to the points that you raised in this previous post.
There is a big difference between what you translate and what you think you are translating. The problem is that in the 1rst post and in the 2nd you committed the same mistake witch is translating what you think or what is in your mind and not what is really written.
So what is the problem my friend when the LAF and the army intelligence gathers the representative of the parties responsible of the latest riots that are becoming more and more menacing and really threatening the security of the hole Lebanese state to tell them to control their partisans?
Where is this whole paragraph did I mentioned that I approve the interference of the AMAL / HEZBOLLAH militia intelligence in the streets?
1rst of all, this intelligence are active without my permit on all the Lebanese soil.
2nd, there is a big dif. Between gathering the representative of the parties involved in the riots to order them to hold back their partisans from terrorizing the Lebanese people and surrendering to the actions of their intelligence.
You know that we are as LFers against any military action on the Lebanese soil except for the Lebanese army. So I think that this proves you wrong big time.
If you know our Lebanese army and its structure and the venerable situation it’s in now all because of the sectarian tension you will know for sure that this action made by the army and the army intelligence is really wise and very much needed.
You have to know my friend that the army is our only hope in this kind of situation; we can’t afford loosing this army because we will loose our country and this time for ever.
We all know who the army was divided in 1975 in the beginning of the Lebanese civil war and I am sure you want as I want that this doesn’t happen nowadays because this army is our 1rst defense as Christians and Lebanese against the extremism.
The army and we are doing what ever we can do so we can hold this heterogenic structure stable so that we can pass together this period of instability.
This why my friend our army is being targeted day and night morning and evening from the Syrians and their allies in Lebanon because they know that this is Lebanon last chance and they want to blow it.
From here and in order to corner and uncover the people who want to destroy this last hope the army gathered the representative of the parties responsible of the riots to tell them to carry on with their responsibilities and try as much as possible tom control their partisans or else the army will act with no restrictions to avoid any clashes and any spread of these clashes.
I hope that you understand the dif. between talking to representative in order to limit the riots and its effect and the total surrender to the militias intelligence in the streets.
As for the other point that you raised about Christianity and Islam. Well let me tell you that I am the one who is really shocked. Before Bashir Gemayel died he was giving a speech saying in it that we are living in one country with Muslims and we want to live in peace in our country, this is our country like it’s theirs and we must live in equal rights and duties, no one should have higher rights then others and no one should be nominated for an office or job if he is not worthy of it just because of his religion.
This is the essence of the Lebanese forces and this why our martyrs died and that is why Bashir died and Samir got jailed. The LF wants a modern state where every one of its people have equal rights and duties regardless of the religion. The message of the LF to the other Lebanese was and still is that the Christians in Lebanon are not like the Christians in Egypt or any other Arabic world, yes we are dif. We won’t live as a citizen of lower grades but we want our equal rights and the most important is that we want to live in peace for our children and the generations to come. We want a country for us and for the Muslims and no one should have higher rights then the others. As of how this country will be ruled or what is the best way of co-existing with our fellow countrymen, well that is the real goal of the LF. We are a force of changing in our society, we are not ok with the SIGHA of 1943 that is all lies and lies, because we have a solution that will lead to have a country united with all its citizens with equal rights and duties but under federalism or LAMARKAZIEH for the worst solution.
But federalism is not neglecting the presence of other religion in Lebanon; it does not mean trying to eliminate Islam as lots of people believe. At the contrary it’s a solution that will lead for a real co-existence and interaction between the 2 religions in our country.
In his statement I did not see where this guy did your talking about said that Christianity and Islam are the same. He said that we are 2 big religions that are living in this country and that we are interacting and that we need to live in peace so that Lebanon can be at its best and that if we fought then Lebanon will be doomed.
Everything this guy said was the fact and was the only fact that we have. We are dif. But we need to co-exist, under witch regime????????/ Well that is another subject.
At the end my friend N, I want to raise to your attention that the LF fought for a country named Lebanon that is providing a shelter for Christians to live freely and excel in a world of darkness, and that is why we fought for Lebanon 1rst and our free presence in it 2nd. We fought for all the Lebanese, even though half of them were not awake and were victim of delusion in many cases. Now we have more then half of the Lebanese with us fighting for the same cause that we fought for during 30 years of Syrian occupation and illusions, so what are we supposed to say for them after they saw the truth?
You want the LF representative to say, we are not willing to live with Muslims?
We do not want any non-Christians in Lebanon?
That we want to fight with Muslims just because they are Muslims regardless of the fact that they shed the same blood in the battle of liberation from the Syrian regime?
Is it better for this guy and for us Christians to say: we are dif. And we better then you, we don’t want to live with you. Is that the teaching and message?
Regards…
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