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• 1. Jihad Haddad | July 24th, 2007 at 9:14 am

  Had Murr announced that he was supporting the feudal lord Amine Gemeyal, would this post have made it?

  Hypocracy

• 2. Johnny.B | July 24th, 2007 at 10:23 am

  N10452,

  Tashnak ma bistab3ed manno mjannasson killon … akid ilon fadel 3leh …

  aoun and the 80’s ???
  he forgot the Gemayyel family, which is something i never doughted he wouldnt …

  and yeah what about the august demopnstration, that must prove someone is a liar and the other is a stupid not aware … unless aoun never cared about his guys that got beatne up in august same like he denied his martyrs of 13 october…

• 3. Rodge | July 24th, 2007 at 11:08 am

  The Aounists, especially those men and women beaten on the 7th of August, should open their eyes and minds to notice the difference between the statements and the acts of their so called leader. Of course there were allies from the 80’s, and it’s no secret. This alliance started in the mid 80’s, and was strengenth in 1986, where Aoun contributed in ensuring a way out for Elias Murr from Karantina on the 15th of January.
  After that, it was Michel Murr who handled all the communications between Syria and Michel Aoun, especially in 1989 and 1990. This was no secret to anyone, but blind followers can’t see neither can read. It’s obvious that the 8th of March components have one thing in common, the “SYRIAN REGIME” ally. Point Final

• 4. Shadow | July 24th, 2007 at 1:29 pm

  It was obvious that these guys will be allies
  against Kataeb and Lebanese Forces.

  We have to work hard , This time we should not fail in front of these guys .

  Please all LFers and Armenien LFers Vote for Gemayel , Boycotting the election will be a big sin . We never escaped , we will accept the challenge , we are ready for it and nshalah we will win .

  This time, beleive me you will find armenien voting for Kataeb and Lebanese Forces. Im sure of that . Kel wahad abel mayssawet yhakem damirou w yshouf mine ma3ou ha2 w ysawet .

  Ana bass bheb zaker anou wa2ta Marhoum Edmon N3ime ken 3ala firash mot 3am bisare3 mot ken 3am yed3eh lel hakim w 3am yeshekrou kif hatou neyeb bel roghom ken 3eref anou sehtou mana mniha w radalou wafa kif defa3 3anou bil iyem sa3beh baynama bi zet wa2et ken Aoun w zemertou balashou ma3raket baabda alley w tesrihat w rashahou li badon yeh .

  Bass ya 3aybishoum 3layon.

  aymata lah you3a mojtama3 massiheh .

• 5. FILOV | July 24th, 2007 at 1:36 pm

  it’s another ” 7areb al elghe2 ” that Aoun and his allies are leading it…

  i’m sure enno 7a yrabouwon bil entikhabeit… specially enno sar fi ktir ktir mensha2in 3anel TAYYAR…

  Anyway, 8th march and all their allies => ila mazbalat al tarikh

  REGARDS

• 6. FoX | July 24th, 2007 at 2:13 pm

  Do you know what’s Aoun favorite song?

  Answer: HAIHAT YABOU EL ZOLOOOOOOOOFT

• 7. Rodge | July 24th, 2007 at 2:31 pm

  Shadow,

  I join ur call for all to vote after thinking wisely, also i agree with you that many of the previous aounist and some armenians will vote for Gemayel. but even if we didn’t win this time, since Murr and Tashnaq are still have a big influence on their followers, related either to sectarian reasons, or to business and personal interests, I’m sure that we’ll show a big change comparing to the 2005 elections, and everyone will see that the 72% is no more than illusion, and time will be on our side.

• 8. Rodge | July 24th, 2007 at 3:06 pm

  A suggestion that may help.

  Since we’re heading towards a battle in Metn, and since everything isd allowed in battle when we’re fighting for a good cause, i think it’s time for the 14th of March to use the Media, in all its means, in a smart way, in order to gain as much as we can in votes. They should launch an intelligent and simple campaign, that should target people who are still in the middle or at least not too much convinced of Aoun and his allies. This campaign will aim to disclose everything that could prove how much Aoun is hypocrit and mistaken, while focusing on all his failures and wrong politics. they should open his files, the same way he’s doing. Aoun built his so called popularity on trying to show that others are mistaken, so we should fight him with his own weapon, and it’s the right time to do so, because people usually forget and what stays in their mind is the latest things they hear about.

  What do u think guys??

• 9. FranceLiban | July 24th, 2007 at 5:03 pm

  i agree with rodge, iif a battle is taking place we should be fighting it to the very end, howevere in a respectful way

• 10. paul | July 24th, 2007 at 5:06 pm

  شكراً لجنرال الرابية لخوضه الانتخابية في المتن

  بقلم/الياس بجاني

  الأمين العام للمنسقية العامة للمؤسسات اللبنانية الكندية

  شكراً وألف شكر لجنرال الرابية الذي شرب على عجل “حليب الأسود” وهمياً وتهيئات وهلوسات، أو ربما وقع ضحية لمقلب خبيث “مدبر” بدقة من جماعة الإخوان ووكلائهم والودائع في كتلته النيابية، فتشوشت عنده رؤية الواقع الشعبي المسيحي المعاش ومزاج الناس السياسي فقرر بتسرعه المعهود وتفرده وحماوة الرأس والفوقية والمكابرة المنازلة ديموقراطياً في المتن الشمالي، والمشاركة في الانتخابات الفرعية، لاحساً بذلك كل مواقفه من الحكومة وشرعيتها، ومن رئاسة الجمهورية وسلطاتها، ومن مواقف حليفه “جنرال بعبدا” الأسدية والإيرانية.

  المهم هنا ألا يتراجع جنرال الرابية عن موقفه وأن يكمل المواجهة الانتخابية بشخص مرشحه الدكتور كميل خوري لأسباب جوهرية وأساسية في مقدمها تبيان الواقع التمثيلي في الوسط المسيحي من الادعاءات، وفرز القمح من الزؤان، والأوهام من الحقائق، وأوراق التفاهم الوصولية والإنتهازية من الثوابت اللبنانية، والمصالح الشخصية من الثوابت الوطنية.

  المهم أن يعرف الجنرال، ومن المواطنين المسيحيين العاديين مباشرة أنه أمسى في ذمة التاريخ، ولم يعد ذلك الزعيم الوطني المرفع والمميز عن باقي السياسيين الآخرين وهو الذي نقض كل وعوده الانتخابية السابقة وانقلب على كل عهوده وطروحاته السيادية كرمى لكرسي مخلع لن يجلس عليه.

  المهم أن يُصدم شعبياً لينزل من عليائه الوهمي ويفهم أنه أصبح سياسياً أقل من عادي يتعاطى السياسة المصلحية والشوارعية بأسوأ صورها، “وأنه لم يعد ذلك القائد الكبير الذي نذر نفسه ونضاله من أجل القضايا الوطنية والزاهد بالمنافع الشخصية والسلطة والنفوذ”.

  المهم ألا يتوسط غبطة البطريرك صفير ويجد مخرجاً للجنرال المشوش الرؤيا يجنبه الصدمة الشعبية المسيحية، والأهم ألا تتراجع كتلة التغيير والإصلاح عن المواجهة الديموقراطية.

  إن أي تراجع من جانب الجنرال عن خوض الانتخابات تحت أي حجة سيكون اعترافاً صريحاً ومباشراً وعلنياً منه شخصياً بأنه انتهى سياسياً ومسيحياً. وبالتالي عليه العودة إلى باريس أو إلى إمارة قطر!!

  يبقى أن هذه قراءة سياسية ووطنية شخصية لنا ولغيرنا من الذين يفرقون كثيراً بين ممارسات وأخلاقيات ووطنية ولبنانية ومصداقية جنرالي الرابية وباريس، وهي بالواقع نظرية افتراضية وقد نكون من خلالها مخطئين أو مصيبين. أما الوسيلة الوحيدة لمعرفة الحقيقة فهي الانتخابات وها هي أتت زاحفة إلى جنرال الرابية على طبق مشهي، نتمنى من القلب أن تنفتح شهيته السلطوية أكثر وأكثر فيقبل التحدي الديموقراطي ويكمل المواجهة الانتخابية حتى صناديق الإقتراع، ويومها إما أن يُتوج من جديد ممثلاً للأكثرية المسيحية أو أن تكون قراءتنا لجهة غربته القاتلة عن الوجدان المسيحي هي الصحيحة، فنعتذر منه ونقر بأحقيته التمثيلية.

  المطلوب من الخيريين والغيارى والوسطاء المسيحيين والمطارنة ألا يحاولوا تغيير موقف الجنرال وتركه مع البركات والتمنيات خوض غمار منافسة الرئيس الجميل في المتن الشمالي ليعرف القاصي والداني ما إذا كان التيار العوني في الواقع حالة عابرة، وقد عبرت من المتن ومن باقي المناطق المسيحية لتستقر “إلاهيا” في الضاحية الجنوبية والقرداحة وطهران، أم أنه فعلاً يمثل الغالبية المسيحية ويحمل أوجاعها وثقافتها الوطنية والأخلاقية وتمنياتها وينطق باسمها.

  من المهم في المواجهة الديموقراطية والحضارية المتنية هذه أن يقول الجنرال للناس صراحة ما هو مشروعه السياسي والوطني وأن يكون هذا المشروع البرنامج الانتخابي لمرشحه موثقاً ومكتوباً ويتم توزيعه على المتنيين.

  لقد دأب الجنرال ومنذ توقيعه ورقة تفاهمه وتفهمه مع حزب ولاية الفقيه وانتقاله للقاطع السوري الإيراني على المطالبة باستفتاءات شعبية وانتخابات مبكرة وقد وصل به الأمر إلى حد المطالبة بانتخاب رئيس الجمهورية ولمرة واحدة من قبل الشعب. نعم “لمرة واحدة”، مستورداً بذلك “الماركة السورية المسجلة” عاراً وأوجاعاً في ذاكرة اللبنانيين السياديين!!

  ولأننا ما كنا في يوم من الأيام على الحياد الذي نرى فيه جبناً وهروباً وانعزالاً وتخلياً عن مواقف وطنية وايمانية وأخلاقية ملزمة، نعلن وبكل صدق تأييدنا لفخامة الرئيس الشيخ أمين الجميل وندعو كل من يشاركنا مواقفنا الوطنية اللبنانية في المتن الشمالي أن يقترع له.

  كندا في 22 تموز 2007

  عنوان الكاتب الألكتروني

  phoenicia@hotmail.com

• 11. fad14 | July 24th, 2007 at 5:42 pm

  Walla Aoun is a genius, he can lie to everyone face to face and on TV and still get away with it. He has learned this from Nasrallah or actually he taught it to HA.

  And some people still believe he is the ultimate leader.

  Remembering a book called ” Animal Farm” those people always remind me of the donkey. Akeed with no offense meant to the Donkey.

• 12. Rodge | July 24th, 2007 at 5:53 pm

  I perfectly agree with Elias Bejjani, and we should not be afraid from the elcetions, even i we lost, but we should see what has changed so far, despite the fact that the Metn area is not the perfect place to confirm this, because of the presence of Pro Syrians, mainly Murr and Kawmieh, and also the Tashnaq Party.

• 13. Ali 1559 | July 24th, 2007 at 6:45 pm

  Congratulations! You are losing this battle no matter how hard you try. A. jmayel ila mazbalat al tarikh in the same basket with dory! You are taking al kataeeb places where they don’t want to be! Oh, if you only kept your promise to go after the thugs who killed your son instead of running for maten seat! This is what you get for allying with ouwet ! In your face , hakim will be watching you getting smacked down !

  One last advice for sheikh amin ; al tarajo3 3n al khata2 fadila ! What a historical mistake by you ……

  Wipe them off general! Now , you can put this battle in your small jeans pocket ! No worries about these clowns anymore ! At last , their fault but you are getting the blame for it (like usual ) ………

• 14. roger | July 24th, 2007 at 7:14 pm

  into mish aherkun gher taheluf aoun-morr-tashnak
  la2ano badna nemhe bet l jmayyel min kharitit l maten wneksah l intikhabet l far3iyye

• 15. Delta | July 24th, 2007 at 7:21 pm

  guys the real aounist the one who loved lebanon like we did teh one who faught the syrian existance on the leb soil and the syrian occupation are with the truth and thats the proof :

  وأعلن هؤلاء أنهم “مستمرون في المقاومة التي بدأت شرارتها في 13 تشرين الاول 1990 حتى استعادة السيادة كاملة وصونا لحقوق المسيحيين اللبنانيين وحضورهم الفاعل في لبنان وهم يترجمون ذلك بالدعم الكامل والشراكة الفاعلة في معركة ترشيح الرئيس أمين الجميل أحد رموز الخط السيادي المقاوم”.
  ومن بين الاسماء التي تضمها هذه المجموعة:عماد الحاج المسؤول عن هيئة المنصورية، بول ابي راشد المسؤول عن سن الفيل، حبيب صقر المسؤول عن ضبية، عبدالله خوري مؤسس هيئة المتن ورئيسها والمسؤول عن التعبئة العامة في التيار سابقا، يوسف غصوب المسؤول عن الفريكة – بيت شباب، ايلي سيزار شمعون المسؤول عن عين عار – قرنة شهوان، روني بو عبود المسؤول عن الدكوانة، جان كلود حمصي المسؤول عن الجديدة – الفنار، عزيز رعد المسؤول عن بيت مري، مجيد واندريه ابو جودة في جل الديب.

• 16. paul | July 24th, 2007 at 8:50 pm

  if 3aoun success depent from Murr, Taschnak ,and aoumieh then
  it is much better if he go home and cooks soup to his grandchildren .

  To Ali 1559… or sometimes @li 1559
  i do not have expected a positive opinion from a chi3e (with respect)to Gemayel family.

• 17. Joe | July 24th, 2007 at 9:05 pm

  To Ali 1559… or sometimes @li 1559 the blind fpm follwer: yead Aoun is a god hahaha & all others people r always in mistake! ahahahah how blind u r …. u r moussayar not moukhayar ya blind & blocked mind!

• 18. Sokhoushmoush | July 24th, 2007 at 9:07 pm

  If u don’t like 3awn go and shoot the Aounists ,just like u did in 23 January .
  U’re all pathetic.!!
  All the Armenians are with Aoun , and u’ll see that.

• 19. Sokhoushmoush | July 24th, 2007 at 9:11 pm

  Kataeb massacred the Armenians ,Bashir and Amin both of them slaughtered Armenians in the streets in the 80’s.
  Of course u hate being Tashnak the ally of General Aoun.
  YOu are scared of our coalition ,admit it.ni plus ni moins !!!!!!!

• 20. Joe | July 24th, 2007 at 9:11 pm

  غير مفاجىء موقف الوزير ميشال المر والطاشناق الداعم للمرشح العوني في انتخابات المتن، ولكن كيف يستطيع المر ان يتقبل سماع حليفه عون يتهم الحكومة بارتكاب الجرائم عبر قوله “ان الشبهات حول الجرائم تطال الجميع بمن فيهم الحكومة”، وابن المر الوزير الياس المر الذي تعرض لمحاولة اغتيال كادت تودي بحياته هو وزير حالي في قلب هذه الحكومة؟ هل نفهم ان الوزير المر فخخ السيارة لنفسه مثلا؟ اهل هذا ايضا من دواعي التحالف مع التيار الذي”ليس هناك مبرّر لاهتزازه” كما قال المر الاب. عجيب غريب امر هذه التحالفات، بالفعل “شيء لا يصدق”.

• 21. Sokhoushmoush | July 24th, 2007 at 9:13 pm

  The only surprising thing are 7ariri and his 17 billion $s spent in Lebanon.

• 22. Joe | July 24th, 2007 at 9:28 pm

  بين رغبته في خوضها ومخاوفه من انكشاف حجمه “الجديد” بالصلة مع رئاسة الجمهورية.. ووسط “ملامح” بحث عن “مخرج”
  هل يجرؤ الجنرال على إكمال المعركة المتنيّة إلى النهاية؟

  هل يجرؤ الجنرال ميشال عون على متابعة المعركة الانتخابية في دائرة المتن الشمالي؟
  سؤال كان مطروحاً بقوة في الساعات الماضية بالرغم من إعلان عون، مباشرة بعد ترشّح الرئيس أمين الجميل إلى المقعد الشاغر باستشهاد نجله بيار، انّه ذاهبٌ إلى المعركة.

  أسباب للسير في المعركة: “العلاقة” بالشهداء

  لا شكّ انّ في مقدّم هذه الأسباب انّ للجنرال مع العمل السياسي تراثاً من “الإشكاليات” في السنوات الثلاث الماضية على وجه الخصوص.
  فهو عاد إلى لبنان من منفاه الباريسي منقلباً على حركة الاستقلال اللبناني، وبموجب “صفقة” عقدها مع نظام الوصاية ألزمته بعمل كل ما في وسعه من أجل منع 14 آذار من تكوين أكثرية نيابية. وإذ انقلب على 14 آذار، بدأ ـ تزامناً ـ بالإنقلاب على نفسه وعلى مبادئ تياره. خاض انتخابات العام 2005 ببرنامج معيّن فيه مثلاً توصيف لسلاح “حزب الله” بانّه غير شرعي، ثم أخفى هذا البرنامج عن الأنظار مع ولادة “وثيقة التفاهم” بينه وبين “حزب الله”. وفجأة، صار هذا “المناضل” ضدّ “الاحتلال السوري للبنان” يعتبر انّ سوريا خرجت من لبنان، وغاب الخطاب الاستقلالي السياسي ليصبح الجنرال شخصية موثوقة من النظام السوري وحلفائه يكيلون له المديح صبح مساء.

  وصار الجنرال في “أحسن الأحوال” يطرحُ نفسه وسيطاً محتملاً بين لبنان ونظام الأسد.
  غير انّ كل ما تقدّم ذكرُه “كوم” و”العلاقة” بشهداء الاستقلال “كوم آخر”. فالجنرال نزلت عليه “الحكمة” دفعة واحدة. فإذا به يعفي نفسه من اتهام النظام السوري وأدواته بجرائم الاغتيال السياسي.

  حتى مع إعلان الجهات المختصة عن اكتشاف خيوط مهمة في جريمة اغتيال النائب الشهيد بيار الجميل تشير إلى احدى شبكات عصابة “فتح الاسلام” السورية، بالتوازي مع دور هذه العصابة في تفجيرَي عين علق، لم يصدر عنه أي موقف.. لا بل وصل الأمر بأحد نوابه حدّ اتهام “السلطة” باغتيال الجميل بما انّ “فتح الاسلام هي السلطة” كما قال “الفهيم”.
  وأكثر من ذلك، كان واضحاً منذ فترة انضمام الجنرال إلى “جوقة” المطالبين بإخلاء سبيل الضبّاط الأربعة الموقوفين بصفتهم “مشتبهاً” بهم في جريمة اغتيال الرئيس رفيق الحريري. وقد قال عنهم انهم “معتقلون سياسيون”.
  وآخر ابتكارات الجنرال، كان تعليقه على تقرير المحقق الدولي سيرج براميرتس بالقول انّ هذا التقرير “أحيى القناة الأصولية في الجريمة”.

  ..ومحاولة استعادة مقعد من الأكثرية

  انّ كلّ هذه المقدّمات تهدف إلى القول انّ في مقدّم الأسباب التي تحمل الجنرال على خوض المعركة الانتخابية، عدداً من “الإشكاليات” أهمها على الإطلاق عدم اكتراثه بـ”حُرمة الشهادة” بالتوازي مع استعداده لـ”التعمية” على الحقائق السياسية في خدمة تقلّباته. وبهذا المعنى، فأن يحاول الجنرال انتهاز انتخابات فرعية تجري لملء مقعد شهيد من أجل الانتقام السياسي، ليس مستغرباً.

  وإذا كان السبب الأول سياسياً ـ أخلاقياً مركّباً، فانّ الآخر سياسي صرف. وهو يتعلّق باستعادة مقعد من حساب الأكثرية النيابية لحساب “المعارضة”، أي تحقيق الهدف من اغتيال الشهيد بيار، سياسياً، بما هو هدف “إنقاص” عدد نواب 14 آذار.

  في المقابل: تراجع شعبي نجم عن سياساته

  في المقابل، انّ الأسباب التي تجعل الجنرال يعدّ إلى المئة، أكثر بكثير، أي انها أكثر بكثير من أن تسهّل له ما يرنو إليه من خلال الأسباب السابقة.

  فمّما لا شكّ فيه انّ سياسات الجنرال على مدى الفترة المنصرمة كلّها، وانقلابه على المشروع الاستقلالي، وعلاقته بالتحالف السوري ـ الإيراني، انّ كلّ ذلك أصابه بتراجع على مستوى “قاعدته الشعبيّة”. ولم تنفعه كثيراً محاولاته لـ”تأليب” الشارع المسيحي بعنوان انّ ثمّة “أسلمة” للبلد، لأن المعطيات التي بنى عليها حملته غير صحيحة أصلاً.

  ماذا عن “المثالثة”؟

  بيد انّ كلّ ما قاله عن “الأسلمة” لا يساوي شيئاً أمام إبدائه استعداده للبحث مع حليفه “حزب الله” في إعادة النظر باتفاق الطائف. فالجنرال ونوّابه ومعاونوه “فلّتوا” أكثر من مرة في الفترة الماضية كلاماً سلبياً عن الطائف، وفسّروه على غير حقيقته، محاولين “تعويد” البلد على إمكان “التعرّض” له.

  وإذا كان الجنرال، من أجل أن يقول للمسيحيين انه زعيمهم المدافع عنهم، يشير بين حين وآخر إلى صلاحيات الرئيس الماروني، فانّ ذلك لا يخفي انّ لدى حليفه “حزب الله” تصوّراً مختلفاً للصيغة، كشفت عنه إيران نيابة عن “حزب الله” في حواراتها الدولية، هو “المثالثة” بدلاً من “المناصفة”.

  فكيف تستقيم المطالبة بتعزيز صلاحيات الرئيس الماروني مع “المثالثة” لصالح الشيعية السياسية؟ وكيف يأتلف طرحان في إطار تحالف سياسي؟. فهل ثمّة صفقة تقضي بإعادة النظر بالطائف في مقابل أن يكون الجنرال رئيساً للجمهورية؟. وهل يكون الجنرال الرئيس الماروني القويّ في هذه الحالة؟. وهل صحيح أصلاً انّ “حزب الله” يريد عون رئيساً للجمهورية أم انّه يريد إستخدام مواقفه فقط؟.

  حديث الـ70 في المئة: ماذا لو نزلت النسبة؟

  إذاً، ثمّة بدايةً سببٌ لعدم تجرؤ الجنرال على السير في المعركة الانتخابية في المتن، هو خوفه من كشف حجمه “الجديد” بعد سنتين من الانتخابات السابقة.

  سيردّ “فهيم” عوني بالقول انّ الاستنتاج السابق غير صحيح بدليل انّ الجنرال طالب بانتخابات نيابية مبكّرة حيناً وباستفتاء حيناً آخر. والجواب هو انّ في طرح الانتخابات المبكرة والاستفتاء تهويلاً ومناورة لانه يعرف انّ الاقتراحين غير قابلين للتنفيذ دستورياً من جهة وميثاقياً بالصلة مع الصيغة في موضوع الاستفتاء من جهة أخرى.
  وإلى أسباب عدم تجرؤ الجنرال على المضيّ في المعركة الانتخابية، يضاف سبب رئيسي آخر. فالجنرال الذي أقام الدنيا ولم يُقعدها بعد، حول انّه يمثل 70 في المئة من التمثيل المسيحي في ضوء الانتخابات الأخيرة، لا يمكنه وضع هذه المعادلة أمام الاختبار.

  فعلى افتراض انّ المرشّح العوني فاز في الانتخابات الفرعية لكن بـ60 أو 55 أو 51 في المئة، فهل يستطيع الجنرال تقبّل نتيجة تفيد انه ليس الزعيم “الكاسح”؟. وهل يمكنه الاعتراف بانّه جزء مهم من التمثيل المسيحي لكنه ليس الزعيم “الأوحد”؟. فكيف إذا كان فوز المرشح العوني على الرئيس أمين الجميل احتمالاً يشبه “حصرماً رأيته في حلب؟”.

  حسابات الرئاسة في بيدر المتن

  على انّه، وتأسيساً على إستبعاد أن يُقدم الجنرال على “المغامرة” بكشف حجمه “الجديد” لانه لا يستطيع إسقاط “ورقة” الحجم القديم، لا بدّ من إضافة انّ عون إذا انكشف حجمه “الجديد”، تكون رئاسة الجمهورية انتهت بالنسبة إليه في الخامس من آب المقبل، أي قبل موعد الاستحقاق الرئاسي. ذلك انّ الانتخابات الفرعية في المتن، ستجعل المسألة الرئاسية تنطلق من السؤال الآتي: من أية “أفضلية” إذاً يبشّر الجنرال بنفسه المرشح الوحيد؟. وبعض الوسط السياسي يقول: نواجه الجنرال بالخلاف السياسي معه فيردّ بالحجم فماذا سيحصل إذا أضيف الحجم “الجديد” إلى الخلاف السياسي؟.

  في اعتقاد الكثيرين، بالاستناد إلى الأسباب والاعتبارات الآنفة، انّ الجنرال لن يمضي في المعركة الانتخابية الفرعية. ويعتبر كثيرون أيضاً انّ لـ14 آذار مصلحة في حصول المعركة، لكن قرار الجنرال عون مضيّاً في المعركة أو عزوفاً عنها ليس قراره وحده، وسيكون عليه “التشاور” في هذا الموضوع على غير صعيد محلي وإقليمي.

  ملامح بحث عن مخرج

  على أي حال، هناك “ملامح” أولية لاحتمال عزوف عون عن المضيّ في المعركة؟.
  فغداة مؤتمره الصحافي الذي أعلن فيه “أنا للمعركة”، ووصل في “أدبه السياسي” إلى التعرّض لـ”سلالة آل الجميّل”، تطوّع “فيهم” من كتلته للقول انّ “التيّار ينتظر القرار القضائي”(!). ينتظر قراراً قضائياً صدر قبل يومين يقول بعدم صلاحيّة مجلس شورى الدولة بوقف تنفيذ مرسوم الدعوة إلى الانتخابات، وهو قرار “مُبرم”.
  وقال “الفهيم” نفسه انّ الرئيس الجميّل يعرف كيفَ يعالج ما حصل مع أنصار لـ”التيّار” يوم جريمة إغتيال النائب الشهيد بيار الجميّل.

  هل ثمّة إذاً سعيٌ عونيّ وراء “مخرج” للعزوف عن المعركة؟.

  هل يقوم الجنرال بـ”توسيط” البطريرك المارونيّ من أجل الوصول إلى “مخرَج” ما؟.
  حقيقةُ الأمر انّه لا بدّ من توقّع ذلك. فليس كلّ ما يقوله الجنرال بلفظيّة قويّة دليل قوّة عادة”.

• 23. paul | July 24th, 2007 at 9:32 pm

  we don`t need to shoot them…we will use

  PIFF PAFF

• 24. Sokhoushmoush | July 24th, 2007 at 9:40 pm

  ur ur ugh ugh ugh

  Funny joke!!!not laughing

• 25. paul | July 24th, 2007 at 9:46 pm

  for you shoorly not

• 26. Rachelle | July 24th, 2007 at 10:06 pm

  sokhoushmoush… what a funny nickname just like u .. i just feel pity 4 u .. ma b3rif chou intime2ak ,, aslan mech daroure la2no aoune aw 2awme aw tanchnak aw ha they r all the same.. nchalla aoun ykafe bel intikhabet ta yen2ebir ya3rif imto.. bs 7jezoulo gherfe bel twari2 aw b der el salib where he belongs…allah 2ouwet w nchala yen3asaro again el laymounet..

• 27. Joe | July 24th, 2007 at 10:11 pm

  hehe rachelle… i agree with u… & i think this time ha rouh fiya heart attack ,,, barke bterteh hal balad hehe

• 28. Sokhoushmoush | July 24th, 2007 at 10:43 pm

  Hehe Rachelle… I disagree with you ,badkon ye ymout ya3ni ,ya 3ib el shoum 3a hek postet ,inti w jama3tik el weskha kilkon 3eyshin 3al 7ashish ou 3al massare …el ouwetji (taba3 ja3ja3 not the others) ma byeswa lira souriye!!
  You’re dumber than the Syrians ,u know that?
  And plz don’t kill me 2 ,ur killing whoever u want ,of course by words not by action.
  Silly as always ,fuh !!

• 29. Ali 1559 | July 25th, 2007 at 6:10 am

  Joe

  And you’re ila mazbalat al tarikh ma3 ma3lmak A.jmayel . ma 3jabak ma ti2ra ! bass ness 3la tarzak , fi mssale ta7et batton bitdala tin3ron ! Aoun is not god bass bashir is right? Yalla rou7 tomo 7alkon kateeb ma3 dory cham3oun…

  wou3 wou3 , keep on crying 3la AL ATLAL .

• 30. Ali 1559 | July 25th, 2007 at 6:14 am

  Sokhoushmoush

  Bravo 3la # 19 , and they have the nervous to talk about the christian rights !

  Keep it up….

• 31. Johnny.B | July 25th, 2007 at 8:10 am

  Soukoushmoush and Ali,

  ba3ed addeh bteikhdou l-jinsiyyeh l-souriyyeh ? ba3dein soiukhoushmoush kill 3omrak armani-7alabeh … law ma michel l-murr ma kein ma3ak jinsiyyeh that’s y ur with him … ba3dein ma tinsa michel l-murr bass sarou l-ma3eirik ma3 l-arman michel l-murr kein best friends ma3 Al-Gemayel ,,, leh ma deifa3 3ankoun ???? rou7 t3allam teirikh w ba3dein ta3 7ki …

  Ali inta chou khassak bill christian rights ??? 3mol ma3rouf ma titdakhal bi chi ma byi3nik !

• 32. Johnny.B | July 25th, 2007 at 12:01 pm

  Soukhoushmoush,

  Ba3dein zakkerni leich 3li2na ma3 l-arman wa2ta !!!!

  kill 3omron l-tachnag bimilou la aslon l-soureh … kintou ra7 touw2afou ma3 l-falastineh bill 80’s !!!

• 33. Johnny.B | July 25th, 2007 at 12:03 pm

  Ali 1559,

  your spelling mistake in #30 describes your state towards the elections. (nervous)

• 34. Delta | July 25th, 2007 at 12:16 pm

  chabeb il general tali3 mitl telmiz il besancon bhal soura hatta photogenic mich tali3 l3amma wlo ma fiyo chi zabet

• 35. Delta | July 25th, 2007 at 12:24 pm

  ya shoukhoubitimou inta ya chikimiki inta ya hocho u know apart from il siyesse u know wats really really sad :
  ino man sarlak ma ba3ref adech bi libnen kilmten 3arabe ma bta3ref tihke wgimle ma bta3ref trakeb , ba3dena bit2oul il ouwet zo3ran wle binet 3am tihke ma3ak sabayta chu badak awta min hek ???????? lek ma tinsa tfout boukra bi nikc name binet wtsebne ta ta3mol mitl geneghalak yi sabiouna . yi ou3a ychoukhoubitemak.

  l3am a chu inak sa2il.

• 36. Delta | July 25th, 2007 at 12:28 pm

  @li 1559 man abou th ecomment of jhonny #31 lazale3imak hayde bro mitl il strepsils

• 37. Rodge | July 25th, 2007 at 12:30 pm

  Chabeb,

  Take easy and keep the dialogue respectful.

  We are all Lebanese, walaw????

  we can show our opinion without using bad words, especially Sokhoushmoush, u always loose ur temper very fast and u start to make us all dumb. N10452 warned you twice before, so please keep it cool or else.
  Also, u should not allow urself to say anything bad of Bashir. First he’s a martyr, he’s a great leader, the greatest in fact, and third, Bashir is the one who kept u Tashnaq and Armenian safe and alive and still have a home, he ensured that u won’t be refugees once again in another country. you should pray for him every second.

• 38. Ali 1559 | July 25th, 2007 at 7:13 pm

  Johnny

  I dont get your joke , lesh how do you spell NERVOUS? as nervous system ! wadih plz ..

  Ba3den ana khassne w noss bil christians rights , ana tayyara watani ya3ne iza al druze one day kenit 72ou2on (rights) ma2koule ana majbour defi3 3naon ya sabe , into (lf) damarto lebnen wel saf al massi7i min 7areb taw7id al boundoukiye w nizoul…. hala2 jeyin ti7ko bil christians right ? yisslamle 7akimak ana , ktir hamo al saff al massi7e eh ? Into ma khasskon ba2 , ra7 dawrkon , hala2 dor ghayrkon , into fchilto 3la al s3id al watani …

  yalla delta hayda la MSSARINAK ya bro , rou7 charb 7up … Bla333 , 10000 sa7a w 3fye 3la albak ya albe ..

  This is your level ..

• 39. Johnny.B | July 25th, 2007 at 7:32 pm

  Ali 1559,

  once again you prove your a master of ignorance in politics and history, living in haraket amal’s areas and watching there news not knowing what’s happening in the christian row, you have no right whatso ever talk about our internal issues .. its people like you who bring conflicts among christians … just like you’re doing now … w general was the most thing that hurt the christians even more than teh syrians and he is doing it again …

  ya reit law btihtam bi chou2ounak w ma ba2a t2arreb 3a mwadi3 l-masi7iyyeh yalli ma ilak khassa fiya w ma ma3ak khabarak … chou ra2yak iza binfout bi mawdou3 7izballah w 7araket amal bass keinou yit2eitalou ,.. aw chou ra2yak nfout bi mawdou3 leh 3omar t2eital ma3 l-imamou ali ?

• 40. Johnny.B | July 25th, 2007 at 7:34 pm

  Ali 1559,

  the word is nerves not nervous … its a grammar mistake bil a7ra … ya reit law btit3allam bill madrasseh badal ma tichtighel fiya

• 41. Ali 1559 | July 25th, 2007 at 8:36 pm

  واضح جدا ان الدمعة في عين امين ….والدمعة لم تكن بسبب ابنه في كلمته اليوم …لقد غص حينما تكلم عن العيلة …. انوا كان شامم ريحة الخسارة ولم يستوعب انو العيلة حتعتزل السياسة بفضل العماد

  Eh , li yitda3wass bi aleb bayto …

• 42. Johnny.B | July 25th, 2007 at 8:42 pm

  Ali 1559,

  hayda ba3ed yalli na2essna … aouneh chi3eh mbanda2 yiji yitman… 3a ayr…

  yimken law badna no2ra heik chi kinna re7na 3a orange room aw 3a jaridet l-akhbar …

  bi kill 3ayn wi27a btiji 3a darna w btitma… hayda chi babyen 3an asslak …

• 43. Ali 1559 | July 25th, 2007 at 8:45 pm

  Ya johnny

  Laman ana ilet i have school , ma assadet ino ana bichtighil bil school ! hone bi amerca bi2oulo 3n al University school ntibih , I go to school or univesity mitel ma badak tssamiya … but i work bi gher matra7 (business) so now you know ya johnny abdo inta … ana student mich istez ya johnny …

  ba3den lek , americans byi7ko chi w lebanese byi7ko chi tene w iza bitrou7 3la UK byi7ko chi gher , they call it : Different Accents . w bala omar w ali la2ina ana ma 3m bi7kik religion ways , ntibih ya sabe ana 3m bi7ke politics .

  IKTADA AL TAWDI7 !

• 44. Ali 1559 | July 25th, 2007 at 8:48 pm

  Johnny

  You made it this way , ba3den hayda ouwet blog not kateeb

  ana ma sabet la bashir wla 7akim RAKIZ w ma tkabir rass 3la ayr* ya badou2 al 3zariyeh inta …….

  Bla3333333333333 ….

• 45. Johnny.B | July 25th, 2007 at 8:53 pm

  Ali 1559,

  yalli byo2harni aktar chi enno u dont have a political theory,,, inta kill chi bni7ki hon baddak tkoun doddou ya3neh iza sabbayna l-7akim 3a chway i think you’ll defend him !!!! wala marra chiftak ittafa2et 3a chi mawdou3 aw 3an alileh jarrabet tchouf wijhet nazarna w tjareb te2na3na bi wijhet nazarak … then it would be a real discussion .. bass kill chi bni7ki bit2oum 7adertak btirja3 la 3asser l-a7ajari w touw7id l-bondoukiyyeh … i hope u understood what i said and work on it to make a good building discussion !

• 46. fad14 | July 25th, 2007 at 8:55 pm

  walla ya Ali 7ayartna ma3ak.
  One day you are in kindergarten
  One day you are a businesman
  One day into ma3 Hizbulla
  One day you are with Aoun
  One day you hate America
  The second day you live there.
  Then your name is Ali and you are from Rabieh and from Tariq Jdeedeh and from Al Dahyeh and living in America and you are 3aouneh ma3 Hassouna against American bas you are still there. And you are against LF and u spend your day responding to them on their blog.

  Shaklak living bil Dahyeh la shaghleh wla 3amleh spending your day on Manar TV and recently got promoted to O T Zi (only for 6 hours per day)

• 47. Delta | July 25th, 2007 at 9:49 pm

  ali 1559

  bta3ref bil nisbe ilna ka massihiye aouniye wouwet u know what a chi3e rom il dahyeh means : ” byektob french min il yamin lal chmel , byehke bil te3e wte3ak, ma bi farche sneno abel ma ynem , bi hib il dgeig aktar min il caviar, ma byetgawaz ila binet 3amo aw khalto bi ab3ad il halet…. ma ile gled harfak ya walad hik 3an …. ba2a

• 48. Sokhoushmoush | July 25th, 2007 at 10:13 pm

  Ya 7abibi ya johnny jiddi wjeddak akhado l jinsiyyeh bi zet el wa2t ,so ma titfalsaf, la2enno ya zaki na7na jina 3a libnan bil 1915 and Lebanon became an independent country in 1943 so matitfalsaf mitl el 3ade ,ou na7na el arman ma 2atalna ness bil 7arb ,when the Palestinians attacked BH we defended our quarters and they got the hell out there ,just like we did to the LF militants ,and we showed them that we ‘ve got RPG’s .And ba3dein min 2atal Apo AShjian?mish el ouwet?Into el ouwet bass t2tlo ness tkhrbo el blad ,heidi shaghltkon ou 3a kel hayda bit kazbo ou bt2oulo inno l general moujrem ou ma ba3reff shou …Grow up shway ,I advise u to drink nido !!!

• 49. Sokhoushmoush | July 25th, 2007 at 10:16 pm

  Delta NO COMMENT!!!!!
  modelet kounem!!!!!!!

• 50. Sokhoushmoush | July 25th, 2007 at 10:24 pm

  Delta stop laughing at others since ur not better than the others.
  By the way u’re Ja3ja3’s missing son right? Ba3dena inta bitsebbe bass na7na ma ilna el 7a2 nsebb e ya khawwif?
  Ou ba3dena 3allemna 3arabi shway ,emel 7alak professeur ,i bet you that u don’t even know how to put fat7a and damme ..I know 4 languages ou iza ma 3ajabak rou7 balet el ba7r!! C YA

• 51. Johnny.B | July 25th, 2007 at 10:30 pm

  Soukhoushmoush,

  nchallah tkoun jit sinet l-1413 , still u only got the jinsiyeh 3a id michel l-murr … that’s why ur with him .. cheirik b2ichret bassal …

  w u tell me leich atalou la Apo ???

  by the way niyyeilak 3a hal RPG ana 7atto decore fo2 l-biblyotec bil living room …

  besdies bfaddel ichrab nido wala eikol ch3ir w sir fakker mitlak

• 52. Sokhoushmoush | July 25th, 2007 at 10:39 pm

  Walla!! e shrab 3ammo el 7alib bifidak ,el atrak wel moukhabarat el souriye keno baddon yi2etlo apo ashjian ,fa sallamo el 3amaliyye lal 7bei2a ou jeme3to ou hinni 2attalou!!
  Ou wa2ta 7ebei2a ou ja3ja3 keno ma3 ba3d so practically LF killed him.

• 53. Johnny.B | July 25th, 2007 at 10:50 pm

  Soukhoushmoush,

  bass jamei3et 7beika noussoun sarou 3awniyyeh la2anno eikhir fatra hobeika michi bil khat l-soureh …

  wa kam min l-jara2im tourtakab bi ismiki ya ouwwat !

• 54. Ali 1559 | July 25th, 2007 at 11:09 pm

  Delta # 47

  Sa7i7 inak ignorant , bti7ke 3l 3lam w inta manak ahssan minon bi chi …

  Yalla rou7 fek 3n AYR* , ma issmak ila ouwatje bi amerca lek chu 3m ta3mel bi usa? HARBEN MIN AL 3LAM LI ATTALTON? Kam massi7e-muslim did you kill? 80% min al ouwatjiye li ana ba3rifon harbenin min lebnen , ma byisstarjo yirja3o back 3la lebenen ….

  Lek ya sabe binssa7ak ma ba2 titfalsaf (mitel ma alak sokhou) w rou7 la3b ma3 ness min your level … BADAK TSSIBNE W ISKOT ? Facharet ya delta , la inta wla ma3lminak ya sa7be , Akbar rass ne7na kassarne, yalla rou7 HIZEB SIYESSE…

  You made it this way so enjoyyyyyyy..

• 55. mikel | July 25th, 2007 at 11:49 pm

  ALi

  what do you mean Hizeb siyese
  if ur trying to say that we’re armed, prove it.
  you’re the one’s with the long-range missiles, it doesn’t matter if you’re gonna use them against israel or not
  if israel had stayed one more second in the south last summer you would have been wiped out
  PS and just if you say “ya sabe”, wont make us think that ur older or more mature than us
  ur just like fad said, some bored prick living in the suburbs
  and since u ran out of material to make an explsives belt you decided to turn on ur computer and try to figure out how to use it

• 56. Ali 1559 | July 26th, 2007 at 12:20 am

  Mikel

  How stupid

  Obviously you are an ignorant blind follower!

  I’m going to answer your ignorance by explaining what hizeb siyesse means;

  Hizeb siyesse ya3ne hizeb ma 3indo sle7 ya sabe ! al hizeb al 3sskare ya3ne al hizeb li 3indo sle7 , got it? (i.e hizeb allah hizeb 3sskare when haraket amal are hizeb siyesse ect….

  Now, go ahead and dig a hole in the sand where you can hide your red face !

  N 10452 would plz provide these teenagers with some explanations regarding al ahzab al siyassiya wal ahzab al madaniya-asskariya !

  Mikel , i dindt wanna JARSSAK bass you forced me ! Hush , dont say that in public anymore , hehehehe

• 57. Ali 1559 | July 26th, 2007 at 12:21 am

  Sokhoushmoush

  Ta7iyete bro… You rock !

• 58. paul | July 26th, 2007 at 12:39 am

  7ak al3aouda lil2arman.

• 59. Sokhoushmoush | July 26th, 2007 at 1:38 am

  to Ali 1559:No problem Bro !Good job …we’re making them crazy man!!lol Inshalla biye2ten3o min ma3o 7a2.
  Inta b2amerca halla2 ma heik?

• 60. Ali 1559 | July 26th, 2007 at 3:29 am

  Sokhoushmoush

  YA ana bi amerca , full time worker/student . medical school , retail manager for right now …..

  IF you need anything form usa just let me know brother , i will be more than happy to do so … feel free to ask .

  No matter how hard we try , these lfers are going to think the same way their VETERANS did ( hard head) ! They are suffering ( XENOPHOBIA) ; fear of foreigners ,strangers or the unknown . Often results in stereotypes and RACISM i.e they are calling you names coz you ‘re an armenian ,same as me (ali) , they dont like anyone but themselves (greedy) and that’s why they are facing ; conflict, stress,depression,anxiety, burnout , discrimination ect……@ the same time , their new generations are not as bad as the old ones were.. At last , allah yihdiyon w ne7na bwebna maftou7a la kell al 3lam ma hek bro?

  Best regards .

• 61. Johnny.B | July 26th, 2007 at 7:59 am

  Ali 1559,
  in case u forgot this a political website, and politics is for grown-ups … u dont belong here …

  once again all the people are witnessing how ignoratn shia’s are coz of you … no self respect … childish acts … accusing people without bothering to listen to them … just like the srians … talking about our iternal conflict ??? ma intou dinkoun killo m2assas 3a conflict min iyyeim imamou 3ali w 3omar … talking about christian issues rou7 7ill l-issue baynkoun w bein l-musta2bal l-sinneh .. walla the only sinneh u beleive in are fat7i yakan’s supportrs …

  go find yourself a cartoon network website coz lately you’re proving that this is where u belong !

• 62. Delta | July 26th, 2007 at 9:08 am

  ya docteur ALi 1559
  hayde baz2a mine 3alla wigak ta barke bta3mlak zalame.

  2nd: ba3dena min alak ino anna mane ahsan minak ? eh mballa ahsan minak w2awal borhan anna massihe inta chi3e ? chu ra2yak ?

  3rd 3am t2elle fik 3an … ra2btak ili bade fika wle mret.

  4th ma isme ila ouwatge bi amerca w inta ma ismak ila houthalat amerca. stay in michigan wmamnou3 totla3 geybinkoun ta yre2boukin mitl il ghanam 3eychin fo2 ba3ed .

  5 th ba3dena 3mol ma3rouf kif btetehemne bi garime since u are in america i can sue u wbou3dak ill do it wmin 2rounak bgibak ? hayde iza inta bi amerca ya docteur inta . ou3a tkoun 3am tidross al gihad fil islam bi iran ! wmsamiya doctora ya doc.

  6th btinsahne : sorry ma fhimet min hadertak ta tonsah chakhes mitle ma fhimet fahimne again ?

  7 th my level 3mol ma3rouf kil il 3alam yihko 3an il levels bass inta bil akhass 3mol ma3rouf ma dahikne khalik bil katucha achraflak wtahet il ared mkhaba.ahsanlak.

  w3mol ma3rouf ma t3ayetle sa7be manak sahbe la2an wma bi2ne hek garbage hatta bil mazbale il idem bayte ma fi mitlak .

  akbar rass kassartou ?/ man ba3edkoun 3alla moustawa il wevos bass t2arbo fo2 il wevos tib2a hki 3an akbar rass ya akbar micheye inta.

  and for i made it this way no am sorry u made it this way wsahten 3alla albak. wbta3ref chu chaghle wehde b2ilak yeha fik tgareb thin add ma badak bass akbar ihene inta 3eyecha hiye inak chi3e.

• 63. Delta | July 26th, 2007 at 9:19 am

  Sokhoushmoush

  lek habibe min hike ma3ak ino alouch bya3ref ydefe3 3an halo lech 3am defi3 3ano is he ur lost son ino magbour ihkik mitl ma btehke ta tifham la2anosarahatan chaklak hocho bil mara, 2nd khawif anna khawif ? la inta khawafetne ya nimr armenia inte. ?? mazbout inak tachnag and for apo sahten 3alla albak walbo alla yirhamo.

  chu bit2e;lle stop laughing on others minak inta habibe htam bi ch2ounak wlak iza sahbak manzaro whi2to whakyo chi bidahik wbi bake bzet il wa2et chu khasne anna.?
  ba3dena badak 3almak 3arabe ? in ur comment u said :” Ba3dena inta bitsebbe ”

  arabic would be : ba3dena inta bitseb ”

  t3alamet kiolme gdide

  u speack 4 languages : let me update ur knowledge with u speaking arabic like that that,means u speack 3 languages sahbe,
  and what make me a better person than u i speack 5 languages

  bonne nuit cherie

  oups wby the way mitl ma allak jhonny dont forget to bruch ur teeth min akil il ch3ir

  Salimle 3alla ahlak wiloun ibnkoun zake bass hm…

• 64. Johnny.B | July 26th, 2007 at 9:45 am

  Soukoushmous,

  “Ba3dena inta bitsebbe” … inta kifo baba ??? artine byeikol tin … rou7 t3allam 3arabeh a7san ma tsir mitel ” creikor ba3mol decore “

• 65. Ali 1559 | July 26th, 2007 at 6:46 pm

  # 65 bravo

• 66. Johnny.B | July 26th, 2007 at 6:57 pm

  Soukhsmoush,

  i warned u before, pray for your safety !

  w Ali, ma 7a jeiwib 3leik ba2a … la2annak useless just like your cause !

• 67. Ali 1559 | July 26th, 2007 at 7:15 pm

  61. Johnny.B | July 26th, 2007 at 7:59 am

  Ali 1559,
  in case u forgot this a political website, and politics is for grown-ups … u dont belong here …

  once again all the people are witnessing how ignoratn shia’s are coz of you … no self respect … childish acts … accusing people without bothering to listen to them … just like the srians … talking about our iternal conflict ??? ma intou dinkoun killo m2assas 3a conflict min iyyeim imamou 3ali w 3omar … talking about christian issues rou7 7ill l-issue baynkoun w bein l-musta2bal l-sinneh .. walla the only sinneh u beleive in are fat7i yakan’s supportrs …

  go find yourself a cartoon network website coz lately you’re proving that this is where u belong !

  What a pathetic loser . BAYANET 3LA 7A2I2TAK YA WALAD !

• 68. Sokhoushmoush | July 26th, 2007 at 9:07 pm

  Ana b7ibb ra2m 69 ou mishen heik baddi hanne2 Ali 3a kel shi 2alo!!.

• 69. Johnny.B | July 26th, 2007 at 10:42 pm

  Soukhoushmoush,

  _|_ 69 is mine again HAHAHHAHA

• 70. Sokhoushmoush | July 26th, 2007 at 11:10 pm

  You did it or n45455?

• 71. Ali 1559 | July 27th, 2007 at 7:26 am

  DELTA (leji2)

  1, rou7 bzo2 3la terikhak balke bittsir 3lam , li ma 3indo terikh ma 3indo musta2bal!

  2, Inta manak massi7e ya delta , inta inssen marid nafssiyan w 3kliyan , your dirty posts are the proof . Massi7iye are good ppl , 3indon manners mich mitlak jarbenin. saret 2007 , tal3 mina hayde shiaa w massi7iye , opportunities are the same ya jahel so go ahead and be up there..

  3, 100 mara

  4, eh ma issmak ila ouwatje bi amerca ( ghassben 3nak ) harben min madik ta3 chuf ana when 3ycih w kiff 3yich w ba3den ta3 i7ke ya mret …

  5, CHU 3M THADIDNE ? HAYDE KBIRE YA DELTA , WALLA (WEHYET ALLAH ,JESUS, MOHAMMED) ino law wa7ad ghayrak ya delta ana kinet bade a3mol POLICE REPORT! hayde discrimination ya delta … inta 3m thadidne bass chu bade ilo lal police ? Kafena bahdela w rou7 TDABDAB AHSSALAK YA DELTA , ma 7adan bi2rib sob sirmeyte ana , i have a gr8 record …

  6, Ma khassak ana min bonsa7 , im a manager w 3inde 75 ppl under me w kell se3 ba3te nssi7a … so Fuc* o*****

  7, W inta khalik bi amerca ahssnlak ..li mitlak ma byisstarjo yinzalo 3la lebnen , ma hine ass7abe @ the same time , tell me about them…. Katucha? you are pathetic… Im proud to be american/lebanese;) im needed here ya delta ……….. proud to be myself helping others and my (america, lebanon)

  Delta , 3la sirmeyte ma tkabir rass ba2 , w inta ma ba2 ti2le bro la2ino ma bade hek ikhwe 3la tarez hadertak … scum …ru7 tom 7alak ,

  Kbar ba2 w ma ba2 ti7ke ta2fiye ya jehil… lek inta chu 3m ta3mel bi amerca? ra7 ba3tik i7timelet ( ness 3la chaklak ) :

  GAS SATATION
  PARTY STORE
  BARTENDER
  MOUSE3ID A3ID
  TAXI DRIVER
  alcoholic
  7,8,9

  AYA I7TIMEL INTA?

  Delta , you lost ! Yalla cry cry cry 3la iyem zamen , again inta manak massi7e inta jehil , massi7kye are gr8 ppl bass inta houthelet……..

  Lfers this is not for all of you , hayde bass la delta ( jehil) ana ma kinet habeb red 3leh anymore bass chaklo kibir rasso , fa taret …..

• 72. Johnny.B | July 27th, 2007 at 9:52 am

  Delta and to all others,

  Please stop answering @li 1559, ne7na mich min moustaweh !

  only answer him when he talks like a gentelman, wa illa ma tinzalou la heik moustawa!

• 73. Krazy | July 27th, 2007 at 10:50 am

  There are some funny things above. You are mentioning about a conflict between Aounists and Murr and you’re saying now they are with each other.
  I guess who is allied with PSP?
  Did LF lose their dignity?

  Why you always consider FPM losing their supporters bcoz of their alliances while LFs alliance has the same meaning…
  Is LF losing its supporters?

  Rodge said:
  “but even if we didn’t win this time, since Murr and Tashnaq are still have a big influence on their followers, related either to sectarian reasons, or to business and personal interests”

  Sectarian reason?
  Who are the supporters of LF? Most of them are Christians and Muslim haters. Isn’t this sectarian?

  Business and personal interests? Let me give my example. My name is not signed with Tashnag and most Tashnags think that I support Henchag or Ramgavar. This means, I don’t gain anything from any political party!
  But in the end, I support Tashnag! I used to support them only outside Lebanon but now after reading posts in March 14 websites and forums, I came up with an ideology in Lebanon which is similar to Tashnag’s allies. So I started supporting them inside Lebanon too.

• 74. Johnny.B | July 27th, 2007 at 1:12 pm

  Krazy,

  When you say :

  “Who are the supporters of LF? Most of them are Christians and Muslim haters. Isn’t this sectarian?”

  1- muslim haters: this USED TO BE a common feeling from the muslim side and christian side in the late 70’s abel ma ykoun fi L.F 7atta

  2- most of them are christians: tashnag w lhanchag 100% christians w ma byi2balou 7atta libenineh masi7eh leizim ykoun armaneh ..

  point cleared, What you think based on hatred to l.f is not necessary what is true !

• 75. Krazy | July 27th, 2007 at 1:21 pm

  I don’t hate the LF. I have many friends who are LFers and make cousins are LFers (arabs).
  So why will I hate them. But I was shocked from a post in this website and from the replies to that post.

  LFers hating muslim is not a thing which came up with my imaginations. Few days ago, in a 14 march forum, an LFer wrote something which was full of hatred towards muslims and specially shiites.
  Few years ago, I went out of Lebanon and met 18 year old girls (LF supporters) and the level of hatred towards Muslims was so high…
  and the examples continue…

  Most of the time, I see from their talks that they want Lebanon just for Christians.

  If you want come and join Tashnag. Are you ready to fight in Gharapagh when Azerbaijan attacks us? If you join the party, you have to do whatever they say!

• 76. Sokhoushmoush | July 27th, 2007 at 2:23 pm

  Krazy who r u with?With LF?Tashnag?Henchag?Independent?

• 77. Krazy | July 27th, 2007 at 3:03 pm

  - With LF?
  Why should I support them?

  - With Henchag?
  I respect them! But never follow them!

  - Independent?
  Used to be a week ago!

  - Tashnag?
  That’s the answer!

• 78. FoX | July 27th, 2007 at 3:22 pm

  Who told you before tha LF are only the muslim haters?

  I’m an LF and a Kataeb supporter I have many muslim friends including shi3a.

  The LF never regarded the Islim as an enemy.

  Mish kil wa7ad yitla3leh bi nazariyet w3emella maktab i7sa 3ala taree2it HA and general Aoun.

  Now the LF is allied with the majority of the sunnis, druze, and other Lebanes christian parties. Ma fee illa al General aoun ka “christian” met7elaf bas ma3 shi3a and some syrian christian figures and al clowns sleiman , qanso wahab.

  Shou ra2iykon yitla3 marsoum bi3eed al nazar bil numar al 7umor yalli waza3a michel el murr bitaree2a ghay shar3iyeh, wyit7ekamo, wmarsoum teny ysheel al mukhalafat w tezwir 3ikarat, wyinshel jame3to lal murr min al dawe2ir, w ibtal ba3d al jensiyet ?
  w2akhiran:
  lamma yseer al armani(khsousatan al tashnaq) yishtri 2aneenit ketchup min jaro al lebneni ta7t bayto badil ma yitro2 meshwar 3a burj hammood la yishtri ghrado min 3and ma7al sa7bo armani se3eta feekon tehko shway bil2umoor al siyasiyeh al lebnaniyeh.

• 79. Krazy | July 27th, 2007 at 3:37 pm

  “lamma yseer al armani(khsousatan al tashnaq) yishtri 2aneenit ketchup min jaro al lebneni ta7t bayto badil ma yitro2 meshwar 3a burj hammood la yishtri ghrado min 3and ma7al sa7bo armani se3eta feekon tehko shway bil2umoor al siyasiyeh al lebnaniyeh.”

  I live in Jdeideh.
  I gain money in Bourj Hammoud.
  I spend that money in Jdeideh.
  hope you got the point

  we are not Syrians man. They gain money in Lebanon and go and spend that money in Syria.

  And about the LF hating Muslims. That’s the impression you give with your posts in any political forum. And I didn’t say “All of the LFers are muslim haters..” or I didn’t say “LF, as a political party, hates muslims…” (check the above post once again and u’ll know what i mean)

• 80. Johnny.B | July 27th, 2007 at 3:40 pm

  Krazy,

  Fox jeiwabak

  and why did u become tashnag ? dafa3lak l-murr la tintikhib bi 5 august ?

  or did he remind you of your jinsiyyeh he gave you ?

• 81. Johnny.B | July 27th, 2007 at 3:41 pm

  ba3dein iza baddak b3arfak 3a 4 aouniyeh byikrahou l-isleim w byi2rafou minnon kamein !

• 82. Krazy | July 27th, 2007 at 3:58 pm

  I got paid by Murr?
  That only happens in Beirut where Saad pays Tashnag supporters to vote for him. Unfortunately, my name is in Matn.

  “did he remind you of your jinsiyyeh he gave you ?”
  I’m born in Lebanon. Both my parents are born in Lebanon. My Grandparents came directly to Lebanon.
  Was Murr the one who gave my grandpa the Lebanese identity?

  And about hating Islam. Maybe that’s only people around me and here I’m meeting people who are opposite of the people near me…
  So sorry if I offended anyone!
  (but I’m against anyone who does not respect the other religion, no matter the other person supports Hezbollah or Future movement.)

• 83. Krazy | July 27th, 2007 at 4:00 pm

  I also forgot to mention…
  I’ve also developed the idea of most LFers being anti-Islam bcoz of your propaganda against Aoun and his alliance with Hezbollah (most people say, Aoun is being against the Christians with this alliance…)

• 84. Johnny.B | July 27th, 2007 at 4:10 pm

  Krazy,

  ma ne7na we are allies with sunni and druze , how do u explain that ?

  and if i wanna think like you think : aoun did not allie with druze, then this means he has a racism against druze heheh

  come one man don’t be like that… fi neis ma bi7ibbou l-isleim mitel ma fi isleim ma bi7ibou l-masi7iyeh … ma tichmoul … haydeh oussas personal .. kill wa7ad byi7mol mas2ouliyyet 7akyo ma 7adan bimassel tayfeh aw 7izeb hon !

• 85. Krazy | July 27th, 2007 at 5:11 pm

  “ma ne7na we are allies with sunni and druze , how do u explain that ?”
  and when the LFers talks against Islam. I give them this explain to make them talk against Islam!

• 86. Johnny.B | July 27th, 2007 at 6:44 pm

  krazy,

  what ? ma fhimet asdak

• 87. Sokhoushmoush | July 27th, 2007 at 6:59 pm

  krazy mezme es ouremn( ho hi ta aysinkn) ? Man skhal pan me essir 82-in metch ,essir vor tashnagneroun ge vdjare 7aririn ,skhale hnchagneroun ge vdjare..

• 88. Krazy | July 27th, 2007 at 7:21 pm

  Johnny, I meant that I give the example of whatever u wrote. They talk against Islam and they tell me that Aoun is doing everything against Christians in Lebanon, we (LF) are protecting the Christians and bla bla bla and then I tell them that look at your allies, you also have Muslim allies, they just change the subject.

  Sokhoushmoush, shidag er esadzes! yete ge hishes ARF-e boycott erav endroutyoune beirut-i mech payts gark me antser vor kidem (tashnagtsagan) tram arin hariri-en yev katsin tsayn dvin!
  I’m also not saying that Henchags don’t take money to vote and till now their MPs receive money as a salary from the lord Hariri.

• 89. paul | July 27th, 2007 at 8:19 pm

  Krazy,Sokhoushmoush
  Habt ihr schon mal über höflichkeit gehört oder gelesen? ich meine eine fremdsprache zu benutzen wo alle arabisch oder englisch verwenden damit die communikation ohne missverständnisse verläuft .aber was schreibe ich da zu wem auch? OK?

• 90. Krazy | July 27th, 2007 at 8:37 pm

  Ich schrieb auf Armenian, um ihn wissen zu lassen, daß ich armenisch bin!
  but I repeated whatever i said above and continued in English so that you’ll know what we are talking about. ok?

• 91. Sokhoushmoush | July 27th, 2007 at 8:57 pm

  HEHEhe chi hasgnagor aboushe mer khossadze ….
  Ara Sisseriane yev Nareg Aprahamiane 7aririyin hed yeghan tashnagneren…Yev at 4 hay yerespokhannere hin bashdonianer en 7aririyin kov….Tavajaneren polorn al..OV vor hohitayin tem gena tavajane .

• 92. paul | July 27th, 2007 at 8:59 pm

  THX Krazy.

  Ich habe zum erstenmal auf Deutsch geschrieben weil ich verdacht hatte daß die name Krazy deutsch sein könnte,ich habe recht gehabt.OK?

• 93. paul | July 27th, 2007 at 9:00 pm

  abgesehen von den vielen Fehlern natürlich…

• 94. Johnny.B | July 27th, 2007 at 9:04 pm

  Paul,Krazy,Shoukhoushmoush,

  iza ra7 toutolbou pizza hut, 3melou 7seibi, i’m in

• 95. paul | July 27th, 2007 at 9:05 pm

  welcome Jhonny.B

  lak atyab pizza lalouwet

• 96. paul | July 27th, 2007 at 9:08 pm

  wlatayyar falefel Arax

• 97. Krazy | July 27th, 2007 at 9:19 pm

  Sokhoushmoush, let’s talk English! (esadzet irents archev miser)

  and I can’t wait for August 5 to see what will happen…

• 98. paul | July 27th, 2007 at 9:25 pm

  Krazyyyy

  you can speak what you want…
  you are here on a ouwet site…
  You r not on almanar…

• 99. Krazy | July 27th, 2007 at 9:38 pm

  Krazy points to comment #7 in http://www.ouwet.com/n10452/information/lastest-survey-by-ipsostat/

  and wonders what’s the difference between almanar and an ouwet site?

• 100. paul | July 27th, 2007 at 9:42 pm

  the difference is they will never shown your comment…try it.
  i mean they will do but only if u r pro HA.

• 101. Rachelle | July 27th, 2007 at 9:44 pm

  krazy… awal chi ..bede zakrak .. eno eza ne7na ka lfers 3ena kereh lal meslim 3am oul eza eza nwajad heyda el kereh tabi3e ktir yenwajad la2no el 7areb khala2eto 3am be7ke 3an 7areb el 75 metel ma ento el atrak atalo fikoun w metel ma el chocolat eza ken made in turkey ma bteklo . ne7na sar fi dam beyna w beyn el eslem … el kereh tabi3e ydal 3aned ba3d el nes.. bs ma fik tensoub el kereh la el lfers…ba3den ne7na ma 3am nloum aoun 3a ta7aloufo ma3 7zeb allah la2no ha shi3e 3am nloumo 3a chaghle we7de eno 7alifak bedo ykoun 3endo nafes el vision lal lebnen .. ye3ne 7alifak ma lezim ykoun 3emil mahrajen cheker la souria eza enta dod souria w ma lezim ykoun soure ( el awmieh ) w 7alifak ma lezim ykoun wosikh eza enta bedak t7erib el fased metel el murr w gheyro etc… bs bede zakrak eno ento el arman kento 3a chwey ra7 tsofo ma3 el flastinieh dod el masi7ieh .. so ma 7asan yzeyid 3leyna bel watanieh t3alamo te7ko 3arabe ba3den ta3o 7ko ma3na …fi arman bel esem 3eychin b lebnen w bel esem hene lebnenieh .. thx

• 102. Sokhoushmoush | July 27th, 2007 at 10:47 pm

  Rachelle do u know what’s the meaning of discrimination?
  PLZ mab 7ebb e7ki 3an terikh el arman bi lbnen bass 3al 2alile na7na la 2atalna ness ou la sara2na wel kel byeshhad hashi ,ou bzakrik ya rachelle inno na7na kna neutral wa2t el 7arb .Ma tbalsho inno leish ma 7erabna el islam wel falastinine bel 7arb ,haidi ma kenet shagletna ,2adietna na7na kenet soumoudna bi hal watan el 3aziz ,la2enno na7na 3anna 2adiyye aham ma3 kel e7terami la lebnen ou la sha3bo . We decided to be neutral for our Armenian interests and we didn’t hurt anybody(christians and muslims).PLZ don’t blame us for being neutral ,fhamo ba2a mish kel shi bi 2iradetkon.

• 103. Sokhoushmoush | July 27th, 2007 at 10:51 pm

  Rachelle into mankon libneniye aktar minna jidde wjeddik akhado el jinsiyye bzet el wa2t. ou fi arman bye7ko 3arabe a7san minkon ,so matzeydi ,tawwaltoua el 2ossa ,iza baddik te7ki heik ma tfouti 3a brj 7amoud, wala 3al jdeide,wala 3a antelias, wna22ash w rabieh,.etc…..
  3aib

• 104. Johnny.B | July 27th, 2007 at 11:05 pm

  Soukhoushmoush,

  min amtin antelias, jdeideh, na22ach, rabieh teib3a lal arman … baddak tdeifi3 3an 7alak bitdeifi3 mitel ma 3milet bill #103 .. bass iyyeik wa thoumma iyyeik isma3ak 3am bithadded 7adan ouwattjeh ya soukhoushmoush, ma twarret 7alak bi chi mannak addo la2anno i know how to get you … w consider that a real warning !

• 105. Sokhoushmoush | July 28th, 2007 at 1:20 am

  Johnny I didn’t get you ,and I didn’t say anything bad about LF in my posts(102,103).So?

• 106. Ali 1559 | July 28th, 2007 at 5:33 am

  Sokh

  They lost bro , they used TA2FIYE to hide behind their failure .. You did gr8 …

  GAME OVER OUWET! Move on ….

• 107. Ali 1559 | July 28th, 2007 at 5:38 am

  Johnny b

  Admit your mistake now you have a distorted(mchawah) face in here , its gonna be a while b4 you heal up…

  Still good luck , this is how you learn in life …

  Move on …….

• 108. Johnny.B | July 28th, 2007 at 8:58 am

  Ali 1559,

  What are you talking about ?

• 109. Johnny.B | July 28th, 2007 at 9:00 am

  Ali 1559,

  where did I use ta2ifiyyeh bi 7adiseeh la souhoushmoush ?

  u can say that i lost min halla2 ta tif2a3 … its not a game we are playing ! if you do think its a game rou7 l3ab iddeim baytak!

• 110. lady hawke 100% L.F | July 28th, 2007 at 10:08 am

  Hey inta, even if u know 4 or 5 languages u still talk politics like kids, and by the way no matter how many languages u know u still an ignorant, coz not by languages u become a HUMAN BEING, we are all educated for ur infos and we have diplomas kil 3ayltak ma btehlam tkoun wasleh elah w dakhlak what are the 4 languages u know? NO , I WILL TELL U: SYRIAN ,PERSAN,ARMENIAN AND AKID ARABIC UR MOTHER LANGUAGE.

  GO LEARN A 5TH LANGUAGE,THE MUTE ONE, U WILL NEED IT AFTER THE ELECTIONS MANNNNNNNNNNNNNN.

• 111. Sokhoushmoush | July 28th, 2007 at 11:06 am

  LAdy Hawke 110% LF, I won’t bother myself by replying you ,such a stupid personal post full of hatred.3ammo perhaps u didn’t mean me ,but when someone insults an Armenian ,I tell him/her kezi al kounem kou ja3ja3et al kou silsilet al hede ,barab glirnerou yev boutzerou havakadzo .
  This is the 5th language 7abibti , orospounere bagas eyin ,che me krazy?

  Bye 3ammo

• 112. Sokhoushmoush | July 28th, 2007 at 11:09 am

  LAdy Hawk 10000% LF, come to papa and I’ll teach u some English as well as some manner .

• 113. Sokhoushmoush | July 28th, 2007 at 11:11 am

  Chem sirer hayhoyel ,paitz endanikis massin kesh paner esssav yev viravorets zis .Ov eghere vor inke.
  To LAdy Hawk: OV ES LAN TOUN?

• 114. Johnny.B | July 28th, 2007 at 11:14 am

  Soukhoushmoush,

  ya rijjeil ya inta … 7kiyon hol yalli ilton bill 3arabeh ya bala akhle2, 3amilleh 7alak rijjeil …

  kill hol yalli ilton bill armani ma byilba2ou gheir la 7adan min moustaweik …

  and what you said in armenian i’m sure you don’t mind if someone said the same thing to your sister … ya 3ayb l-choum 3leik !

  N10452,
  the phrase soukhoushmoush wrote is full of msabbeit, get an armenian friend to translate it to u !

• 115. Sokhoushmoush | July 28th, 2007 at 11:32 am

  tell her to stop insulting me , then I’ll stop sending ARMEnian posts. 7abibi Johnny

• 116. Johnny.B | July 28th, 2007 at 2:40 pm

  Soukhoushmoush,

  I won’t tell anyone what to do ! w no matter what that person says, ma droureh tsib, btin7al bi gheir toro2.

• 117. Krazy | July 29th, 2007 at 12:38 pm

  I was going to post this after Rachelle posted but I lost my connection and I wasn’t able to come online yesterday.
  —-
  Thank you Rachelle for explaining me about the source of the hatred of some LFers towards the Muslims. The difference between Armenians hating Turks and SOME LFers hating Muslims is so much. You are hating another Lebanese.
  By the way, as much as I’ve heard there has been fights between PSP and LF, right? So why don’t you hate them?
  As for FPM’s alliances. What part of “war2at tafahom” you don’t understand? I guess it was made for a solution but the media made it an alliance and we all know that noone alone can survive in Lebanon. (Imagine LF standing alone and shouting for change. Who will listen?).

  About the war, as much as i know, we got hit by both sides.

  About the language. Why some Arabs speak French with each other? shou saret lal wataniyye?
  Then what’s your third language?
  Do you speak it as good as you speak your first language (btw is your first language Arabic? and do you consider yourself an Arab?)
  Now I can understand you when you talk Arabic with me and I can make you understand me when I talk Arabic? So isn’t this the important part?

• 118. Krazy | July 29th, 2007 at 12:44 pm

  Lady hawk said:
  “we are all educated for ur infos and we have diplomas kil 3ayltak ma btehlam tkoun wasleh elah”

  what? we are not educated? I’m majoring Electrical and Computer engineering in one of the best universities in Lebanon.
  If we are not educated, why do we have Armenian Schools in Lebanon (+ university)? This means, we seek for education.

  “dakhlak what are the 4 languages u know? NO , I WILL TELL U: SYRIAN ,PERSAN,ARMENIAN AND AKID ARABIC UR MOTHER LANGUAGE.”
  I know Armenian, Arabic (Lebanese accent), English, French and Turkish!
  Why Persian?
  Do your research better next time

• 119. proud 2 b lf | July 29th, 2007 at 3:37 pm

  it’s obvious that sokhoushmoush is from bourj hammoud or antelias…….lol cuz he said 2oves lan toun…and that is an armenian rap song….and its so idiotic to write in armenian on this site…..i will translate every word he says next time…since i know the language very well…and i bet i know better than him…since he is probably a goldsmith and hasnt gone to school….while i went to armenian school for 9 years…

• 120. Krazy | July 29th, 2007 at 3:49 pm

  proud 2 b lf,
  what connects the rap song “oves lan toun” with being from Bourj Hamoud or Antelias?
  I’ve heard the word “lan” from Armenians who live in Rabieh, Beirut or any other region.

  and what’s wrong in being a goldsmith? (kordze amot che).

  It’s also nice to hear that you’ve been in an Armenian school for 9 years! I’ve been in an Armenian school from kindergarten till 12th grade (3 Armenian schools) but I chose a non-Armenian university in the end.

  and if any of the Arabs want a translation, I can also translate it! there’s nothing wrong in the texts!

• 121. Johnny.B | July 29th, 2007 at 8:39 pm

  Krazy,

  Lady hawk was talking about soukhoushmoush in precise not about armenians. because from the way he talks to girls and he talks in public in some issues, he proves that nearest educated person lies 10KM far.

  ma 7a nfout bi mwadi3 armenians, la2anno we all know the fine of armenian people in lebanon and outside lebanon too, but please let your Soukhoushmoush to talk about himself in person and not talk in the name of the armenian people, he’s not up to it .!

• 122. Sokhoushmoush | July 30th, 2007 at 12:35 pm

  Proud 2 be lf im a student for ur information and i’m just a teenager (+under 18).Goldsmith???!!!!They are making jewels and stuff like that and ur laughing at them?
  Ov es lan toun?U pretend to be an LF-er and in the meantime ur Armenian??! U’re as Armenian as Karim Pakradouni.
  Ou johnny tekram 3aynak !!

  Sokhoushmoush

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