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• 1. Baron | December 2nd, 2007 at 10:10 pm

  I second that. The Lebanese Forces failed us.

• 2. Maroun | December 2nd, 2007 at 10:23 pm

  This is what happens when someone believes that the US administration’s foreign policy is based on democracy promotion, cedar revolution or any fair solution.

• 3. Maroun | December 2nd, 2007 at 10:25 pm

  N10452,
  This is the wall i have been telling you about for some time now. It’s the same wall for YOU & ME.
  I hope it will bring some people closer to reality, the brick-hard reality.

• 4. EV | December 2nd, 2007 at 10:29 pm

  I am outraged too and could not believe that DSG or sheikh Amin, would let that to happen. But here is, what I understand is the reason behind it all:

  At the behind the scenes meeting of the Annapolis conference, the saudi and the syrian representatives agreed on suleiman. As a result, the saudis “asked” (actually ordered) saad hariri to support suleiman, which led to the hariri block to publicly support suleiman, leading of course to the collapse of M14, since hariri holds a large number of parliementary votes within M14. Without Hariri’s votes, M14 cannot do anything.

  So I put the blame on saad hariri for defecting M14.

  Why did saad hariri fold into the saudi order knowing that syria will influence the new government (to be led by Mikati) to oppose the international tribunal, is anybody’s guess.

• 5. shadi | December 2nd, 2007 at 10:37 pm

  i agree with you. christians didn’t study anything from 1990 we are comitting the same mistake.i urge the christians to reconcile and unite before their political end,today is the moment.history will not forgive any of what so called christian leaders political or religious.

• 6. Danny | December 2nd, 2007 at 10:42 pm

  Yup. blame DSG and March 14…You are right to some extent. However, why don’t you guys put the real blame where it should be?
  a. Bkirki. they waded into politics and fcud up everything with Batrak’s assertion that 2/3 is needed although nowhere is stated in the constitution. He pandered to that asshole thief Berri who sold the Batrak out in a festive mood!!

  b. Batrak was again humiliated by Aouny…The f’n neurotic idiot is being followed blindly by a big section of the Christians. Why don’t you guys blame Murr, Skaff, Tashnaks and the rest for f’n us up? Aoun is main reason that HA and Syria have been able to threaten and cajol. The rabieh little boy should take his meds and go away and let Lebanon be…

  c. Where’s the new generation of Lebanese youth? It looked so promising in 2005. As usual most have retreated to their parents’ sectarian cacoon.

  Please, if you want to blame make sure you point your fingure in the right direction. Also, we will know soon what percipitated this move by March 14.

  I suggest you guys exert more influence on the grassroots level and effect change>

• 7. Maroun | December 2nd, 2007 at 10:43 pm

  shadi, it does not take 10 minutes to study the situation at hand. Saad-boy has more members in parliament than anyone in March14 and more leverage in the country and internationally to enforce any deal over the “others” in March 14. All this talk about unity and democracy inside the group is a promotional mirage. (I’m saying this as I’m hearing Jibran’s last words on TV, what a shame)
  That’s the hard truth and we just witnessed it firsthand.
  President from M14? Think again.
  Furthermore, you will be more than shocked to know at what price Saad sold the “others”.

• 8. fake | December 2nd, 2007 at 10:47 pm

  yes baron ouwet failed you. but aoun did not? batrak did not? chou khas el ouwet kel ma wahad taz bi ekher el dene btloumo el ouwet. el ouwet hye part men 14 azar mana wahda ya bro baron. ma 3ejbak nzal 3al chere3 3arid ya batal ma tontour el ouwet ana bed3e kel wahad ma bado sleimen yenzal ma yo2rout hake w nazir. give me a solution not a aret 7ake w blaming. ba3ref 2eno el bnenye saro adrab men el arab (2al bouka2 3ala el 2atlal) se3a wayn bachir w se3a ha2 x w se3a ha2 3ala y ma 3ejbkoun 3melo chi ma te7ko bala feyde

• 9. Hanoun | December 2nd, 2007 at 10:51 pm

  its a shame that after everything we’ve been through that we the CHRISTIANS single handed brought syria back to our backyard…our leaders have failed us once more…its a shame

• 10. EV | December 2nd, 2007 at 10:52 pm

  Of course the batrack and aoun are to blame, but neither one could have prevented the 50+1 option, which would have been the M14 breakthrough. It was saad hariri who split the cake and sealed our fate.

  The french, not the US, openings to damascus are also behind the saudis decision to force the hand of saad hariri.

  My guess is that the saudis promised hariri that suleiman will not touch the international tribunal and that’s what saad hariri really wants.

• 11. fake | December 2nd, 2007 at 10:53 pm

  bas bta3rfo el fachal el kbir wayn 2eno kel ma bisir mechkle mnohtar 3ala min badna nkeba. ya3ne law ma jebo ra2is bt2ouloo laikkkkkkkkkkkkkk masihyet 14 azar chou 3emlit sallamit bel 2amer el we2e3 ya3ne bel faragh w khalit el houkoume bi za3emet ra2is sunni yehkoum el balad.
  2eno law el batrak 2ebel bel nos + one ma keno akhado hal 2arar la2eno bel niheye barhano min fe3lan 3am yesma3 lal batrak w 3am yesma3o kelmto mech metel honik 3karit byomdo ta3ahoudet metel drat 3a blat w ba3ed 2 hours byotla3o bi bayenet dod bkerke wbatraka enough blaming, it is time to react

• 12. Hanoun | December 2nd, 2007 at 10:57 pm

  Fake your right, I agree with you, Aoun did this to us, he did what his masters brought him back to Lebanon for, which is to divide the christians and get us where we are right now…may he rott in hell

• 13. SAMIRGEAGEAKA2EDNAH | December 2nd, 2007 at 11:02 pm

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• 14. fake | December 2nd, 2007 at 11:04 pm

  bas lal tezkir ana mane ma3 te3dil doustour w mane ma3 ka2ed jaych ysirr ra2is w be3terif eno sleimen mano men 14 azar bas bheb ezkour kam chaghle barke betfid.
  1- 14 chbat w 14 azar wa2ta el ya2is lahous wel houkoume talabo men el jaych mane3 souwar el arz men el tazahour 3emel el jaych 2entichar 2amne bas ma ma nafaz talab el ra2is wala el houkoume.
  2- btetzakaro kam marra el jaych la2at kamyounet sleh mkhabye bayn el teben jeye la hezballah??
  3- moukhayam naher el bered barhan sleimen 2eno ma fer2a ma3o khtout homor aw zere2 aw banafsaje. la2eno bezkour sel sayid hasouna haddad el jaych bi3adam dareb el moukhayam hayda khat ahmayyyyyyyyy (ahmar). bas ma 3abbaro
  hawde kam moulahaza habayt 2ezkera la3alla betfid chway bel niheye mech ktir 3atle el cv taba3o

• 15. paul | December 2nd, 2007 at 11:05 pm

  The lebaneses are divided into two camps 50/50 what can SG+ amin j do better?

• 16. elie | December 2nd, 2007 at 11:08 pm

  Guys …this is not the end …don’t be so pessimists.
  If you remember in 1988 …we refused Mikhail Daher and the result was catastrophic
  We got taef agreement that took a lot from us.
  If we compare today with 1988….
  LF does not have any military muscles…
  HA is fully armed….and having very advanced weapons….not like the old days…
  If any civil war starts….like the Iranians were threatening …we will loose many young Christian men….and sure HA will loose many of his terrorists….but….as we all know…these people don’t care even if they loose 10000….
  So…
  Let us accept Suleiman ..for now…and wait for the upcoming war on Iran…
  This war is coming for sure…. It will weaken HA…..
  Just wait…be clever…it is a big game…..and it is not over yet.

• 17. Elie.F.C. | December 2nd, 2007 at 11:08 pm

  ya 3ammi think positive at least once, i mean mish killo 7arb w darb ,i was with the 50+1, but if that solution was to bring war i would say NO. anyway i said once every country needs security and finance to stand on its feet, nshalla now we will have the security and good days is to follow, if the hakim saw it was a wrong decision do u think he would take it?i’m sure not,we all have jobs men,and i don’t think that we can offer to lose anymore. for the one blaming geagea and saying he betrayed us,where was he when geagea stayed 11 years underground? staying in the line waiting to take his visa to canada? have faith guys.

• 18. johnny | December 2nd, 2007 at 11:10 pm

  Don’t blame anyone but yourselves and your rotten alliances! Even before Aoun came back, remember Jumblat and the tsunami… remember Aoun’s visit to hakim in prison… you favored Jumblat and Hariri and threw Aoun to Hizbolah… All this for more power and promises… You got nothing but deception…

  It’s a shame that we will never learn. Yalla, another half a decade of christian impotence.

• 19. Bachir 7ay Fina | December 2nd, 2007 at 11:11 pm

  zbelit lezbele ra7 ysir ra2is joumhourieh.
  michel sleiman na2ou el souriyeh ka2id jeich li ano byerfo train 3al ekhir metel emile la7oud iza mech aktar.
  ma ba2a 3ena sle7 ella eno nsale barke bi sour 3ajibe w ma bi jibou ra2is.
  bhane el 7akim li byetrouk jemeblat wel 7ariri yfakro 3ano. Heda li ken bado ra2is 2awe???
  michel sleiman ra7 ya3mil tawezoun ??? houwe w ka2id jeich w nesbit el masi7iye ktir 2alile bel jeich kif lama ysour 3al kerse

• 20. laichaa | December 2nd, 2007 at 11:13 pm

  What is difficult to accept is seeing Aoun send the Christians to suicide twice: in 1988-1990 and in 2005-2007:
  - The chrisitans were beaten military in 1990 by the Syrians because Aoun send them to suicide by fooling them; On the Military level, it was hard for the LF to stop him. We were besieged and the syrians played Aoun as their 5th column in the free christian region, it was difficult to stop him; Dr. geagea paid, for the christians, 11 years in jail, for that defeat, while Aoun was enjoying Paris;
  - When the Syrians were forced to leave Lebanon in 2005, the Christians were victorious moraly. Sunnites and druzes adopted the LF christian ideology about Lebanon. But LF were not capable of exploiting this moral victory to unifiy the christians ans make them re-emerge politically. Instead, we saw Aoun succeeding once again in fooling the christians. He send theme again to suicide by making them follow Hezbollah! What i have difficulties to understand is how the LF failed to block Aoun politically;
  In 2005 Geagea and the LF have all the moral advantage to unifiy the christian political forces and demask Aoun and his suicide strategy which serve syrians. Why did they failed?????

• 21. fake | December 2nd, 2007 at 11:17 pm

  jhony eh w2eza aoun zar el hakim bel habes ya3ne bisalmo ra2bto w byemche wara metel ma bado? ya3ne se3a eh ma3 sleh hezballah se3a la2? chou khas man hakyak ma 2elo me3na trash

• 22. fake | December 2nd, 2007 at 11:19 pm

  to bachir hay fina man ma 3ejbak el hakim rouh 3mol za3im w jib cha3bye ma hada men3ak trah 7ouloul ya batal w farjine 2ouwtak w ana se3eta eza tar7ak 3ajabne bjibak ra2is hata law mannak maroune. bas 2eno 3ayb t2oul 2eno el hakim tarak saad w jumblat yfakro 3ano. barke 2a7la eza bet2oul 2eno el batrak 3arad fekret el nos + wa7ad ta akhado hayk 2arar

• 23. fake | December 2nd, 2007 at 11:24 pm

  3ala fekra bi 2osset nesbel el masi7ye 2alile bel jaych khaye ma hada fi ya3melak chi eza el masihye hene ma bifouto bel jaych fi 3endak kaza 7al ya tjanis masihye w tfawetoun bel jaych ya 2amma tchaji3 el masihye tfout bel jaych w barke enta awal wahad betfout ka masal lal jami3

• 24. fake | December 2nd, 2007 at 11:31 pm

  bas abel ma ensa ya jame3a ma tensou badkoun mouwefa2et el mou3arada w yemken ana koun gholtan bas metel ma bchouf eno el mou3arada ma rah te2bal fi wlik hatta law 14 azar racch7it aoun ma rah te2bal fi el mou3arada. wel sabab la2eno el wade3 hayk metel mahouwe bifida aktar ya3ne el dene syebe w khasatan la hezballah fa bel 3arabe el mchavrah ma badoun ra2is

• 25. Bachir 7ay Fina | December 2nd, 2007 at 11:33 pm

  fake
  ya za3im inta aw ya man. manak 2ouwatje ad nosse w mech 3ayiz t2elle chou ba3mil.
  Ramzi 3irany w Pierre Boulous stachhado 3a 2id ayya mkhabarat???
  jarabna 7ekem el jeich 9 snin w t3allamna.
  ana befham leich jeneblat w saad el hariri ma bye2balo ya3emlo intikhabet li 2ano kel wa7ad ma3o ketle akhadouwa 3a daherna ne7na el masi7iye. Bass el 7akim ma3 5 nouweb leich ma badna intikhabet??
  Kelna mna3rif eno metel heik ra2is ra7 yda3efna aktar w heida el chi men masla7it jeneblat w saad hariri

• 26. taaaaaj | December 2nd, 2007 at 11:49 pm

  Mabrouk Emile Lahoud!
  another 6 years for ur clone in Baabda!and then another 3 of Temdid!
  Mabrouk All the Lebanese!

• 27. fake | December 2nd, 2007 at 11:50 pm

  ana mech za3im be3terif wmanne faylasouf bas akid man. ok awalan eza bte3teber eno el jaych el lebnen houwe li ken hekim betkoun gholtan. nsit el soure? w jamil el sayed? mech el jaych li khabat el chabeb bil mouzaharat. li khabat hene el moukhabarat lebnenye li bidira el sayed w 2atbe3o. bas enta el hay2a m chefet el post taba3e abel ana mane ma3 entikheb sleimen bas 3tina 7al ya 2amma rah ndal bala ra2is w ana akid eza ma sar fi entikhab enta awal wahad ra7 ntloum el hakim.
  ama bekhsous ma badoun entikheb la2eno 3endoun ketal nyebye kbire 3a dahrna ma fhemet chou el point of view taba3ak mech wad7a rafi2

• 28. Nassif | December 3rd, 2007 at 12:04 am

  People bi charafkoun ya 3ammeh chou mnekhroub el balad ? ma3oun sleh byechwouna chaweh… wou chefna addeh hadado wou kenno ma 3am yel3abo … byeswa 100 michel aoun el zalameh, wou 50 emile lahoud. The only way to get out this mess is to find a president to cool things off now. Shou kiss ekhta men rouh 3ala harb ahlieyh tennh bass hal marra ma3 3alloush wou ma ba3rof min . Khalouna n3ish… peace

• 29. Bachir 7ay Fina | December 3rd, 2007 at 12:08 am

  fake
  rafi2, lama el souriye keno yna2oulna ka2id el jeich keno yjibo akhra wa7ad bel jeich ye3ne michel sleimen akhra wa7ad ye3ne law la2o 2adrab keno jebou ma7alo.

  bel nesbe lal intikhabet el niyebiye
  jeneblat ma3o 20 neyib el 7ariri 37 akid hene ma bet wafe ma3oun ysir entikhabet li ano iza sar intikhabet 3ala 2anoun el kada2 ma ba2a ra7 yetla3loun hal2ad nouweb.
  bass ne7na ma3na 5 nouweb. leich ma badna entikhabet??? w law sar entikhabet ma kena wsolna la hawn w tbahdalna nehna el masi7iye

• 30. fake | December 3rd, 2007 at 12:15 am

  rafi2 bekhsous el entikhabet khalina bel awal nhot anoun ba3dayn kel hadis 2elo hadis. ma3ak ha2 2eno rah yokhsaro ketaloun el kbire bas kamen hezbaalah rah yokhsar jezzine w zahle wkaza matrah bel b2a3 hayde ma fya jadal. bas ma khas ma badoun ra2is manna logic.
  amma bel nesbe la sleimen hayda post katabto rah 2erja3 hotto mech kermel 2e2na3ak 2amma bayedlo safe7to bas tanchoufo men ghayr perspective lal zalame mech aktar. mech ghalat t7ot chou ghallat w mech ghalat t7ot chou 3emil chi mni7.

  the post;
  bas lal tezkir ana mane ma3 te3dil doustour w mane ma3 ka2ed jaych ysirr ra2is w be3terif eno sleimen mano men 14 azar bas bheb ezkour kam chaghle barke betfid.
  1- 14 chbat w 14 azar wa2ta el ya2is lahous wel houkoume talabo men el jaych mane3 souwar el arz men el tazahour 3emel el jaych 2entichar 2amne bas ma ma nafaz talab el ra2is wala el houkoume.
  2- btetzakaro kam marra el jaych la2at kamyounet sleh mkhabye bayn el teben jeye la hezballah??
  3- moukhayam naher el bered barhan sleimen 2eno ma fer2a ma3o khtout homor aw zere2 aw banafsaje. la2eno bezkour sel sayid hasouna haddad el jaych bi3adam dareb el moukhayam hayda khat ahmayyyyyyyyy (ahmar). bas ma 3abbaro
  hawde kam moulahaza habayt 2ezkera la3alla betfid chway bel niheye mech ktir 3atle el cv taba3o

• 31. theCourtFool | December 3rd, 2007 at 12:21 am

  Bravo N10452. We all just found that out.

  The Christian decline started a while ago.

• 32. fake | December 3rd, 2007 at 12:23 am

  kamen chaghle wayn sme3et el ouwet 3am t2oul ma bada 2entikhabet domn anoun jdid? ma eza fi hadan 3am bitalib houwe el ouwet la2eno 3erfe bysir fi temsil ahla lal masihye wmech bas hayk ma fer2a ma3a 2eza hye bterbah el aktarye aw la2 3am behkik 3an tajribe seb2a ya3ne ana cheraket bi ejtime3et el ouwet bekhsous el entikhabet ken hadafa naje7 14 azar 2abl kel chi w kenit mest3ede bas trachi7 neyben kermel ma ysir fi conflict ma3 masihyet 14 azar wysir fi khare2

• 33. theCourtFool | December 3rd, 2007 at 12:30 am

  fake,

  M14 has taken over the Christians in it, Do you think the contacts with America happens through Saad Hariri or through the LF?

  On the other hand, Do you beleive that the Opposition being funded by Iran, has it’s contacts through Hezbollah or Aoun?

  “Only suckers open forth the future.” - A. Watts

• 34. Bachir 7ay Fina | December 3rd, 2007 at 12:52 am

  fake
  rafi2 fi 2echya mazbouta 2elta.
  el ouwet hama 14 march w ref2atna bi 14 march hamoun 7aloun mech aktar.
  wala marra 2al l7akim lezemlna entikhabet.
  law 3melna entikhabet men 6 tochhour w khallasna ma ken a7la?
  wa2et lmasi7iye sawato bi entikhabet el 2005 sawato asadatan dod jeneblat wel 7ariri la 3awn 7atta law ma keno bi 7ebo.
  ra7 2a3tik matal zahleh, fi ktir chabeb ouwet sawatit lal skaf nyeke bel hariri and maybe ken ma3oun 7a2 li ano ley7it zahleh akbar madine masi7iyeh bel chare2 na2eha saad el hariri.
  halla2 el wade3 kelo mekhtelif, ma3 tal3it el 7akim w chefo 3awn la wein bado yekhedoun.

• 35. Maroun | December 3rd, 2007 at 2:25 am

  Bachir 7ay Fina, Aoun’s primary demand was an early elections 6 months ago, and the #1 demand in the opposition’s camp was either an early elections or a new government.
  Hariri refused, LF refused, March 14 refused and laughed at the opposition.
  Big mistake.

• 36. Visitor | December 3rd, 2007 at 2:55 am

  I thing what would screw Syria and the HA and the rest of those wackos is making aoun the president. They fear him and don’t trust him 100% indirectly

• 37. fake | December 3rd, 2007 at 7:52 am

  to maroun and bachir the lf did not refuse the early elections thats totaly wrong. lf always demand for it. you can check the newpapers and the conferences about it. keno 3am ytalbo bi anoun entikheb jdid w kelna chefna el masra7ye li saret kel wa7ad 3ata anoun w sar fi khilef kbir bayn jami3 el ketal al nyebye. wma nensa ba3dayn 2eno el majlis el nyebe msakar ya3ne ma fi hadan yne2ech ta yetwasalo lal wousoul la anoun jdid whayde ghaltit el mou3arada wkhasatan berri el estiz

• 38. fake | December 3rd, 2007 at 7:59 am

  wbel nesbe la osit za7le mazbout haik sar bas kamen ma tensa hezba allah wel jnoub wel b2a3 hene 2araro min badoun yhoto nouweb masihye kamen bel niheye kel taraf bado maslehto

• 39. Ali1559 | December 3rd, 2007 at 8:33 am

  Failed on their faces . An unexpected american award threw them down the drain. This is what you get for callaborating with the americans. Wanna try again?

• 40. reader | December 3rd, 2007 at 9:05 am

  Arretons de blamer celui-ci et celui-la, arretons de prendre GMA pour un pro-syrien et DSG pour un pro-israelien. S’il faut blamer quelqu’un c’est nous les Chretiens car nous sommes incapable de s’entendre.
  Voila le resultat.
  Maintenant, quelque soit le president il faut le soutenir. Formons d’abord une communaute chretienne unie basee sur la reconnaissance de l’autre. Acceptons le poids representatif de chacun, ensuite mettons notre main dans celle des autres (chiites, sunnites et druzes par consequent) pour construire un pays fort et interdire tout ingerence etrangere.
  Aussi dans le but d’immuniser notre pays de telles crises toutes le 10 ou 15 annees, il faut travailler ativement a une separation nette entre le pouvoir politique et la religion en vue de l’instauration d’un pays laique seul protecteur de nos droits.
  Ne prenez pas ceci pour une utopie. Je trouve en plus que c’est a la communaute chretienne de prendre cette mission et d’etre le fer de lance dans la construction d’un tel pays.

• 41. fake | December 3rd, 2007 at 9:21 am

  ali eza 14 azar ma 2eblit bet2oulo 3anoun tyous w 3am yel3abo bil amen el watane wel wehde wbla bla bla w 2eza rakhouwa chway bet2oulo they failed com on man. lezim el kel ya3ref aymta ychaed w aymta yrakhe khale 8 azar tekhoud chi arar yfid el cha3eb kamen hej mtaysin w mechyin

• 42. fake | December 3rd, 2007 at 9:24 am

  wel gharib hatet esmak ali 1559 w hezballah bado ra2is ma ye2bal bihal arar 1559 fa ma be3te2ed sleimen dod el 2araret el douwalye bi3ake hasouna

• 43. georges daher | December 3rd, 2007 at 11:10 am

  well guys when i read a post like that, i feel the urge to kill myself.
  march 14 said that it have 2 candidates, and they urged M8 to nominate their candidates and let their be elections and the best man wins, who stood against this democratic solution?

  when saiid hasan nasrallah was trying in his speech to nominate the president and the army cheif and all the ministers in the comming gov. where were all the people who are whining now about M14 failure?

  if the best president for syria and hizbollah was the vaccum, and when they worked day and night to make this vaccum happens what did you all do to stop that?

  when GMA was trying to promote himself and only himself to the presidency, when he tried to be the patriarche in politics what did you all do?

  when the opposition threatened in many occasions that it will be a clash if any president was elected by the half +1, what was your position then?

  if DSG and AG are trying to prevent any vaccum and any clashes threat from our streets you acll them a failure?

  what do you want? you want them to go to a confrontation so that syria will say to the whole world look at the lebanese, they can’t rule themselves for 2 concecutive years without any civil war happening. let me comeback to lebanon so that i can rule it forever this time. let me save the world from the lebanese shit.

  what do you prefere? honestly…

  you prefere to have GMS as a president with a new page between LF and the army like what happened 2 days ago when GMS received DSG and AG in his office? you prefere to have a lebanese soverin state with the best president that we can get according to the whole region situation?

  or maybe you prefere clashes and civil war resulting from a half +1 election, and then we will have syria back?

  or maybe some of you will prefere GMA as a president no?

  for me M14 have made a huge political step by removing the clashes card from syria’s hands and also by cornering GMA who can’t say no to a general as GMS as a president ( no presidency for GMA anymore ) and add on that having a concenssus president that is half way from all the parties at the worst case.

  ya3neh bel mshabrah M14 darabou 3 3safir bi hajar wahad. it’s a win situation and not a lost situation my friends.

  N.B: some of you will ask why DSG was calling for half + 1 if he knew that this will lead to clashes if it is done?
  well if you listen to DSG when he speacks and if you understand his tactics in politics you will know that the man rise his demands to the maximum so that he can have more then he expected to have in situations like we are passing trough. ya3neh bi3alleh sa2ef l matalib ta hatta yekhoud l minimum yalli lezim yekhdo w se3eta khasmo bya3ti hal chi w bifakkir halo rebih ma3 2enno l hakim bikoun hosil 3alli baddo yeh men l 2awal.

  cheers.

• 44. M.N. | December 3rd, 2007 at 12:39 pm

  Georges what u said is vey nice but i just wanna ask u…in all the ways we have to “adjust” the constitution for GMS..who do u prefer? GMS or Riyad salemeh?? this is not about a president outside 14 march but it’s about GMS. why 14 march didn’t ask for Demianos Quattar for ex. or Joseph Tarabay…there is 100 ways to make a compromise… but in my opinion it was not their call..everything was cooked in Anapolis…
  Wasting time (without electing a president with half+1 after lahoud left baabda) made us reach this situation…

  Cheers..

• 45. fad14 | December 3rd, 2007 at 1:06 pm

  You can discuss this issue for years and years. Without Batrak and Christian unity, March 14 cant succeed with their own candidates.

  Its a battle not a war.

  What was won?
  1. Aoun is not president and will not be ever and that will lead to stripping more votes from him.
  2. Next election is in less than 2 years and more seats for M14 and more dominance to remove the president any time they want.
  3. LF is stronger everyday and so are the Kataeb.
  4. M8 didn’t get Aoun to be president and they surely will not get better seats in parliament or government. or prime minister and they might even lose the Head of the parliament now.
  5. Aoun is worthless for them now as he also doesnt need them anymore.
  6. There is no new Civil war, things are back to morphine for the next 6 years.
  7. Hizbulla cant start another war and they surely will be swept off the streets of Beirut.

  There so many things that have been achieved and we must always work for a next better steps.

  Things didn’t stop here today, we all know that this is a compromise to restart a better campaign and we have to be happy we are not like Aoun (Stubborn to the end and lose it all).

• 46. fad14 | December 3rd, 2007 at 1:34 pm

  to M.N:

  There was one way to win the army and keep it Neutral and it was done.

  Do we need to say more ???

• 47. الله لا يردّك | December 3rd, 2007 at 2:53 pm

  I will leave my name for 6 years again! sad story that this Syrian is going to be a president. Thanks Geagea and thanks Strida!!!

• 48. georges daher | December 3rd, 2007 at 3:28 pm

  TO M.N :
  My friend if you will name for me all the maronite “concenssus” people who can run for presidency i can tell you that the opposition won’t go for them just because as i told you they wanted the vaccum and they are just hiding behind GMA. they are using the guy just as they did in 1989 to re-enter lebanon in a big international cover.
  What M14 did is removed this card from the syrians hands, they were not expecting such a step from M14, if you noticed the M8 camp and specially Hizbollah were surprised and they took their time to reply back.
  the international committy won’t sell lebanon to syria anymore, we need now to say tio the wold that we can act like a soverin country and even if GMS have connections with the Syrians, he wont be able to do a single think because he don’t have the cover anymore like lahoud did.
  have trust in our leaders, all they have done is to adjust with the international shifting nothing more and nothing less without changing the basics of M14.
  CHEERS

• 49. Don | December 3rd, 2007 at 5:11 pm

  They have failed us.

  I would like to thank l 3amid Carlos Edde, Ghassan Tueni, & Sheikha Solange Gemayel for remaining true and rejecting the ammendment.

• 50. Tarek | December 3rd, 2007 at 8:44 pm

  Screw Lebanon, I don’t want to be lebanese anymore, I’ll get a Ccanadian or a US passport soon. I am extremely disappointed. yalla ba2ili ana sineh in Lebanon, winshallah akhir sineh.

• 51. Ali1559 | December 4th, 2007 at 5:06 am

  Fake

  Law ma 1559 ma kinet ana weyek 3m na3mel chat 3la hayda li blog w gher blogs as well. ama bikhssous 14 azar , hine ktir ghalato , fik trakhe wetched add ma badak bass ma tghayir MABED2K. With all the respect ma fi rjel bi 14azar.

  Ama bikhssous GMS , houwe soureh soureh soureh aktar min Hassan nassralah w we2im waheb bass hala2 SAR BADKON yeh?2ino li sta7o metoooo MR . byotl3 amin jmayel byi2ra bayen 14 azarrrrrrrrr ? Ma rasse dawa laman chifto 3l TV !

  ps : 3ich ktir bitchuf ktir and thank you for your time ..

• 52. Delta | December 4th, 2007 at 6:51 am

  khalina b2amerca ahla

• 53. Charbel Gharios | December 4th, 2007 at 4:46 pm

  i wonder how samir ga3ga3 survived his visit to Yarze..after my military service i have always felt that someone will kill him if he steps there after all what he have caused to the army :))

• 54. Why Israel DEFEATED Hezbollah in the War in Lebanon! | December 5th, 2007 at 5:17 am

  Why Hezbollah LOST the War in Lebanon!
  And the Current ‘Present’ Situation in Southern Lebanon

  By Gabriel al-Amin
  Beirut, Lebanon

  http://www.lebanonwire.com/0709MLN/07092429MN.asp

  On July 12, 2006 Hezbollah kidnapped two Israeli soldiers that led to Israel’s war with them and, by extension, Lebanon itself. Hezbollah has been on Israel’s fence since the latter’s withdrawal from Lebanon in 2000. Israel always requested from the international community and from the Lebanese government to deploy its Lebanese Army there instead of Hezbollah militants. Hezbollah, quite naturally, refused! Hezbollah vowed to NEVER allow any other force other than itself to occupy southern Lebanon. Even during the conflict, Hezbollah said it would never agree to allow either the Lebanese army nor international monitors to patrol southern Lebanon.

  Then finally, when two IDF (Israeli Defense Force) soldiers were kidnapped, Israel found the perfect excuse it was looking for to go into Lebanon and push Hezbollah well away from the Lebanese-Israel border. Israel pursued a limited invasion and killed over 500-600 Hezbollah members during the one month war. Additionally, Israel took over every single village in southern Lebanon. During the conflict even though Hezbollah received such a blow and all its members were freaked out and on the run. Yet when the hostilities ended, Hezbollah claimed victory! But did it really win?

  Firstly, Israel agreed to a cessation of hostilities NOT because it surrendered and defeated militarily, but because of international pressure from the European Union and the United States. During this conflict Israel endured more international pressure, than it ever did in the past 10 years. Israel was put forth conditions and international agreements, such as the deployment of 15,000 Lebanese soldiers and 15,000 United Nations peace keepers into southern Lebanon, and arms embargo on Hezbollah. “This” proposal which was presented to Israel which EVEN Hezbollah agreed to accept, was something Israel was yearning for for many decades and was a once in a life time opportunity, it was a REAL “golden opportunity,” even the far right in Israel said “this is an excellent proposal, so give it a shot.” This cessation of hostilities, known as “The August Ceasefire”, was initiated by the United Nations and International Community, and was put forward before both parties, Israel and Hezbollah, Hezbollah JUMPED right on the wagon to accept, because they saw it as the only way out of the mess they got themselves into. While at the same time, Israel was more stubborn on accept this ceasefire-agreement, since they were on a winning streak. Ever since then Hezbollah has not been seen or heard from in Southern Lebanon! At long last the frail Lebanese Government has finally had a degree of sovereignty over all of its state and is finally monitoring and guarding its own borders.

  Not too long ago, nearly all television and print media images coming out of southern Lebanon were that of armed Hezbollah fighters with their guns, outposts, and banners. Not anymore! Hezbollah is now hiding under rocks in Southern Lebanon, its military might having received a substantial blow. In addition, Hezbollah is no longer enjoying the freedom and luxury of easily transferring Syrian/Iranian weaponry across the Lebanese-Syrian border or via the Beirut seaport. Much of this due to the combined efforts of a stronger Lebanese army and U.N. forces keeping a lid on such transferals.

  But even though the International Troops and the Lebanese Army keep Hezbollah in check, isn’t there still Hezbollah presence in Southern Lebanon, EVEN THOUGH they are hiding “under rocks?” The same could be said for Al Qaeda presence in the United States, who are also hiding under rocks.

  Hezbollah may portray themselves as fearsome “militants” but they are in fact cowards cowering behind Lebanese civilians. Yet, through mostly pin-point targeting, the IDF dealt a heavy blow to Hezbollah. Five to six hundred Hezbollah terrorists were killed and nearly all of their bases, headquarters and tactical infrastructure destroyed.

  Some might say, “But didn’t Hezbollah manage to shoot over one hundred rockets into Israel every single day? AND why, during the war, didn’t the Israel army/air-force ever manage to stop the Katyusha fire?” Well the answer to that would be “What’s so impressive about groups of one or two rag heads pointing and setting off an unguided Katyusha southward into Israel?” In addition to the fact that Hezbollah only needed 1% of their military might in order to shoot Katyushas from their scattered fields and caves, into Israel every day. Plus, the only way to have completely stopped the Katyusha fire would have been to occupy every square inch of South Lebanon, including 20 miles north of the Litani, and to stay there for a few months.

  Israel ‘BADLY’ miscalculated Hezbollah, those past 6 years since it withdrew from Lebanon. Why? Because in 2004, it was estimated that if Israel was to engage in war with Hezbollah, their Katyusha arsenal would result in 100 deaths per day on the Israeli side, but instead only 2 people per day were killed by those rockets. But during the war, Israel came to the realization that 99.9% of all those rocket attacks, mostly result in a lot of noise and broken windows. Prior to the war it was also estimated that if Israel launched a ground invasion, it would result in the deaths of over 70 Israeli soldiers per day, which would have left over 2000 dead on the IDF side at the end of the 34 day conflict. But only 120 soldiers were killed in total, which makes it 3-4 soldiers per day. Also, prior to the war AND during the war, both the ‘poor’ Israeli intelligence and Hezbollah itself even claimed, that the “Mighty Hezbollah Rocket Arsenal” would hit Tel-Aviv, but ‘no rocket ever made it to Tel-Aviv!’ Instead, Hezbollah, tried to send little remote controlled ‘toy’ planes there.

  The reason 120 soldiers were killed in the first place, is because what would someone expect if an army deployed 30,000 soldiers squashed together in a small, tight, open space (South Lebanon)! It was amazing that after the war, those soldier didn’t all suffer from cluster phobia. But even though Israel deployed so many soldiers in the open, Hezbollah didn’t manage to deliver that harsh blow as was estimated before the ground invasion. But after all, Hezbollah didn’t fight as courageous as the Egyptians during the Suez Canal invasion, nor as the Syrians during the war in the Golan heights.

  It shouldn’t shock the world that Hezbollah bombed a couple Israeli Merkava Tanks, because even the Palestinians have done it in the past too. Blowing up a Merkava Tank is NOT an ‘uncommon’ operation. But at the same time Israel was still advancing and still taking over every village in South Lebanon, bombing every headquarter and outpost, all Hezbollah members were on the run. Even though Israel lost a couple of tanks and didn’t destroy Hezbollah, it still doesn’t mean they (Israel) were defeated militarily. The definition of military defeat, mean: to crush the other side, force it to flee and or be on the run, or force it into surrender. Israel was not defeated militarily!

  The same can be said about the Israeli naval ship that was bombed by Hezbollah of the coast of Lebanon, during the first week of the conflict, which caused a tiny bit of damage to the ship and which resulted in the deaths of 4 Israeli naval soldiers. Once again this wasn’t a military defeat, but it was an internal flaw, which meant that; Israel needed a better anti missile naval detector radar, a better anti missile interceptor, and better armor for its ship. But did Hezbollah succeed in sinking the ship and destroying it completely, did they destroy all the Israeli naval ships of the Lebanon Coast, did Israel scurry away with all its ships with its tail in between its legs, or did Israel ask for a cease-fire? NO! Instead, Israel simultaneously the same day, brought the damaged ship back into Israel for repair and sent another ship to the Lebanon Coast to replace it.

  During and after the war, Hezbollah regretted starting the war in the first place, by kidnapped the two Israeli soldiers. But Israel on the other hand, didn’t regret going to war with Hezbollah, not even 1%. In fact Israel was ready to go for round two, but Hezbollah, will not dare even consider thinking about it.

  During the fighting, many people (both inside and outside Lebanon) finally saw Hezbollah as they really are… a terrorist group. It’s strategy had little or no military value. The rockets they launched were intended to cause terror among Israel’s citizenry. They were not aimed at Israel military targets.

  Israel never managed to destroy Hezbollah. As much as the IDF might have wanted to, the wiping out of Hezbollah was not Israel’s goal. Nor could it ever be its goal. It is against the laws of physics to destroy a guerilla/terrorist group (America is learning it the hard way with Al Qaeda) since their operatives and members are always blending in and out of the civilian populations from which they so cowardly operate. In fact NEVER in history has a guerilla group ever been destroyed.

  Additionally, rescuing the kidnapped IDF soldiers without a strong intelligence as to exactly where they were hidden, would have been a nearly impossible mission.. assuming they had not already been secreted out of Lebanon into Syria or Iran!

  We constantly hear phrases such “Hezbollah emerged stronger,” “Hezbollah is now stronger than ever,” or “Hezbollah is now seen stronger than before!” There is some truth to that. Since before the Israeli withdrawal of 2000, Hezbollah was seen as more of a small arms, home made explosive, cut and run group, but during this conflict they were able to show off their Iranian made weapons. But they were no match for the Israeli army, whom they bowed down to at the end, by feeling too threatened to attack and provoke ever again.

  When the United Nations wanted to impose a 48-hour ceasefire, it was Hezbollah which rushed to accept while Israel had to be pressured. Obviously this was because Israel had the military momentum in her favor. And when the month-long conflict ended, Hezbollah leader, Nasrallah, remained in an underground bunker, no longer enjoying frequent visits to central Beirut, giving daily “Hate Israel” speeches, driving down to his home town of southern Lebanon or enjoying first class flights to Damascus and Tehran. Nasrallah even admitted that had he known that even one percent of this war would have gone as it had, he would have NEVER kidnapped the soldiers and thus started the war!

  “We did not think, even 1 percent, that the capture would lead to a war at this time and of this magnitude. You ask me, if I had known on July 11 … that the operation would lead to such a war, would I do it? I say no, absolutely not.” - Hezbollah Leader Sheik Hassan Nasrallah, August 27, 2006

  In February 2007, there was a skirmish between Israeli troops and the Lebanese army on the Israel/Lebanon border, even though this skirmish that resulted in a shoot out and was unfortunate, the ray of light from all this, was that Israel was confronted and attacked by the Lebanese army and not by Hezbollah. This was one of the first signs that showed that the Lebanese army was doing its job. This was mostly due to the fact that Hezbollah lost its kingdom in Southern Lebanon, and is NOW in constant check by UNIFL, Lebanese Army, and International Troops. At least the Lebanese army was able to stand its ground and take control, unlike BEFORE the August 11 ceasefire! At least Israel finally got its wish, after 40 years, to FINALLY have the Lebanese army in control of the border. Since August 11, 2006 when the Lebanese army began its deployment in Southern Lebanon, not a single Katuysha, let alone a singe bullet was fired toward the Israeli side of the fence by Hezbollah. Unlike after the Israeli withdrawal from Lebanon in May 2000, when Hezbollah would look for any excuse to shoot Katyushas into Israel at least once every three months, but not anymore. No longer will the Israeli citizens of Northern Israel will ever live in fear once again!

  People in the Lebanese Government now hate Hezbollah, for bringing destruction to Lebanon. All of Hezbollah’s southern Beirut strong posts were destroyed by Israel. Even after the cease fire, Israel stayed in Lebanon for two more months in order to destroy all remaining Hezbollah outposts and bunkers while Hezbollah stood by and did nothing. During the conflict some of the Israel/Lebanon border fence was destroyed and torn down, and Israel was in no rush to fix it, since what’s the point? Hezbollah will not want to mess with the IDF again! Even until today some of that fence has not been fixed yet, since the only threat of infiltration, now, is from drug dealers smuggling Hashish across that border.

  But what about the Winograd Commission, “which is an independent Israeli government-appointed commission of inquiry, chaired by retired Israeli chief judge Eliyahu Winograd, which is set out to investigate and draw lessons from the failures experienced by Israel during the 2006 Israel-Lebanon conflict. Which resulted in a war panel, and even the resignation of high figures such as the Israeli chief of staff Dan Halutz.” The reason THIS is currently taking place in Israel, is it goes to show that Israel is a democratic country! If a “Lebanese-Winograd Commission” would be done to Hezbollah; for launching an illogical irresponsible attack on Israel, by kidnapping the two soldiers which led to the war and the destruction of Lebanon. And if a Lebanese Winograd Commission would be done to the Lebanese government; for not controlling its southern border by allowing thuggish armed militias (Hezbollah) to roam free there, allowing illegal weapon shipments via the Lebanese seaport, air port, and Syrian Lebanese border to those armed “non-governmental” militias, and allowing Syria and Iran to meddle in its politics, then Lebanon would crumble to dust! But after all, Lebanon is not a Democracy.

  Worst case scenario, the Winograd Commission and some of the failures of this war, prove, that Israel might have been defeated from within, but not militarily.

  Furthermore there hasn’t been one complaint filed against Hezbollah on behalf of UNIFL and the International Troops since last year’s August cease-fire, the only complaint filed, was against the Israeli army for their over flights over Lebanese territory. Speaking about Israeli over flights, even the Israeli army itself, hasn’t complained even once, about hostile enemy fire against its planes by Hezbollah. Since Israel withdrew from Lebanon in May 2000, up until the war last summer, they continued their daily over flight and breaches over Lebanese territory, only to find themselves being confronted by Hezbollah anti-aircraft artillery. But after the August cease-fire Israel ‘STILL’ continued its breaches over Lebanese airspace, but this time, Hezbollah hasn’t even shot one pellet at them! Maybe because they are deterred and maybe because UNIFL and the Lebanese army are now in control.

  After the war, Hezbollah saw that it could no longer push around and bully Israel, and are therefore now trying to bully the “weak” Lebanese government by; their mass demonstration, camping out in front of the Lebanese Parliament, and political assassinations.

  Israel did loose the war last summer, but not in Lebanon, but instead in Gaza. After Gilad Shalit was kidnapped, Israel began a massive military campaign in Gaza, destroying infrastructure, entering towns and cities, going after terrorists, and also trying to stop the Qassam rocket fire. But instead, all it achieved was nothing, and the results of it were, that now, the Palestinians saw even more of a weakness in Israel. After the Israeli military campaign in Lebanon, deterrence was at least achieved, BUT unlike in Gaza, after the massive military campaign took place there (Gaza), the Israeli deterrence was lost for good, and now, the Palestinians are, even, more UNDETERRED from Israel that ever! And therefore have increase their rocket fire into Israel. In addition to the fact that as soon as Israel stopped its military campaign, Hamas and other groups said, “They are now even more determined than ever to kidnap another Israeli Soldier.” In April of 2007, they acted on their promise, under the cover of intense rocket fire on the Israel town of Sderot, Hamas terrorists again attempted to infiltrate Israel in order to abduct another soldier, but failed. A month later the militant group Islamic Jihad successfully infiltrated Israel, to also try to kidnap an Israeli soldier, but also failed. At least they weren’t afraid to try!

  After the war some Arab Governments, including the Palestinians, claimed Hezbollah achieved a divine victory! But hey, lets not forget, that some of those Arab governments and Palestinians which claimed Hezbollah won that “divine victory,” are some of those “same” Arab governments who “STILL” until today claim that Syria, Egypt, and the rest of the Arab World won the 1967 War and the 1973 War! That is why after this war Israel lost its deterrence against the Palestinians, Iran, and Syria. BUT gained heavily, its deterrence, against Hezbollah.

  Conclusion:

  People from around the world, before the August cease-fire, would have never believed nor imagined that the Lebanese army would EVER be in control of its southern border. Nor, people would have never believed Lebanon would EVER be able to establish control over “illegal” arms shipments across its Lebanese/Syrian border, sea ports, and airports, and, well, it finally is!

  Hezbollah will most likely never dare kidnap IDF soldiers because they saw the might and strength of the Israeli army, and they now feel threatened. Sure, some Hezbollah sympathizers may throw rocks, wave Hezbollah flags or scream “Allah Akbar” at the Lebanese-Israeli border fence but Hezbollah rank and file are laying low. Very low! And Hezbollah is no longer the imminent threat at that very same border.

  Since the ‘moment’ the two soldiers were kidnapped and even during the war, Israel knew, they would not succeed in getting them back, in addition to the fact that destroying a guerilla group is against the laws of physics! Once people will get those two facts into their heads, then THEY will realize that, the outcomes that were achieved as a result of this conflict, were the best possible “REALISTIC” outcomes that Israel could have achieved.

  Obviously this past year, the Northern Israeli border has been the quietest it has ever been over the past 40 years.

  By, Gabriel al-Amin
  Beirut, Lebanon

  Articles and Refernces:

  UNIFL: Not ‘ONE’ complaint filed against Hezbollah since last years cease-fire
  (Jerusalem Post 6/14/2007)
  http://www.jpost.com/servlet/Satellite?cid=1181813036239&pagename=JPost%2FJPArticle%2FShowFull

  Again, Israeli gloom is misplaced (First Post - 4/17/2007)
  http://www.thefirstpost.co.uk/index.php?menuID=1&subID=688&WT.srch=1

  Lebanese army, UNIFIL are keeping Hezbollah in check (Haaretz - 2/21/2007)
  http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/828765.html

  Hezbollah’s ‘Victory’? (Washington Post 9/1/2006)
  http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/08/31/AR2006083101444_pf.html

  The Lebanese Winnograd Commission (Thomas Friedman, New York Times 5/10/2007)
  http://www.theolympian.com/109/story/104847.html

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