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• 1. Tarek | January 29th, 2010 at 8:37 am

  Lebanese women should be able to grant their children nationalities just like men. The is no excuse whatever to delay this.

• 2. Jah | January 29th, 2010 at 11:09 am

  If anything is exposing Lebanon’s racist underbelly its posts like this. Lebanese women need to be able to grant their children and husbands nationalities just like men. To suggest excluding anyone is preposterous and racist. I find it hilarious that you and many of the commentators on this site are preaching about racism. Hypocrisy at its finest.

• 3. paul | January 29th, 2010 at 5:51 pm

  if i were the president i will reduce the number of refugies and foreign residents in one day from 500000 to Zero.

• 4. Yasmine | January 29th, 2010 at 6:54 pm

  That is the most racist/sexist comment i have ever read. tfeh

• 5. roch | January 29th, 2010 at 8:25 pm

  what’s the problem with a palestinian getting lebanese citizenship if he is married to a lebanese woman?

  are you saying it was a bad choice for the lebanese woman to marry him?

  should we give a palestinian woman citizenship if she is married to a lebanese man?

• 6. Alyssa | January 29th, 2010 at 10:40 pm

  this is strange because i was thinking about this issue today. it is a dilema

  as a Lebanese women I believe firmly we Lebanese women MUST be granted all the same rights as a male is given including army service. no questions otherwise.
  Also we should be by law at least 30%-40% of parliment members.
  Ofcourse pasing nationality should come into it but here is the thing…
  I am 100% against tawteen for the palestinians and i dont care if its 0.1% or 1%, no palestinian refugee should be given nationality this is one of our terms to signing the taef with the muslims was. To many people suffered and died for this to happened would be shaming their memory.
  If we are going to be fair we should
  make the rules for men who marry palestinian women. otherwise its being purely sexist.
  the palestinians shouldnt be in Lebanon eitherway we dont have the room or resources and history has shown we dont have the security.
  I will accept this law and support it if palestinian refugee are made exempt from it. The stats are false & misleading
  we all know how close the sunni community is with the palestinians inter-marriage between the two is VERY common especially in north lebanon. Go into the camps and you will see posters of hariri everywhere and even Rafiq hariri wife is of palestinian origin. Sinoura got $100m
  from the arab world to have nahr al bared rebuilt while our troops were being massacred. lets not pretend optherwise
  Hariri and many other sunnis who want to keep the palestinians here because they know if they were to go so would a large chunk of the sunni population and it will be questioned their role in the taef and power of the PM. so ofcourse they want to lie and say that intermarriage isnt common or that they are fewer palestinians here than people think. or are rushing to pass this law.

• 7. N10452 | January 29th, 2010 at 11:03 pm

  What the hell does that have to do with racism ?? Do you guys call racism just anything you dont like ?? If anything, this is called SEXISM not RACISM …

  Nonetheless,
  I repeat that i 100% support giving women their rights in terms of nationality BUT BUT BUT and that has nothing to do with women as women, but with our corrupt political system, we cannot give Palestinians or whomever wants to naturalize them a loop hope to exploit Lebanese women and marry them to take their nationalities …

  Can anyone explain how that is racist ?

  We can’t just go brag about big issues mitil el fehmeneen … why dont women ask for their basic rights before asking for such secondary rights ?>???

  Why are still women in Lebanon afraid of going to the police to say they were raped ?

  Why are still women, mainly muslim women, scared of their husbands ??

  Why are still women proud to be house wifes because that’s how they were raised?

  Why are still women getting veiled without having an opinion about it ?

  Whomever again is supporting this as a principle is doing it out of ignorance and nonchalance of its consequences …

• 8. Alyssa | January 29th, 2010 at 11:25 pm

  also why is there all this talk on whether or not palestinians many of whom are hostile even to this day, should be giving tawteen or not or their children should if they intermarry with lebanese when there are MILLIONS of Lebanese abroad who are not intitled to citizienship or have a hard time trying to apply for it due to some stupid buerocratic law brought about, this is the problem with many Lebanese they care about another people first and call those who care about Lebanon first racist when putting the intrests of one’s country & people first is a perfectly natural and logically thing to do.

• 9. avi | January 29th, 2010 at 11:46 pm

  But at the same time we all make mistakes N..I for instance forgot that Syria and Iran do not share a border in one of the previous articles……
  Anyways please remove me from ‘moderation’……I do not feel like using multiple users or anything like that to avoid censorship and hindrance….and even if you guys don’t want an Israeli opinion….you will still get it because in the world of internet there is no discrimination and ideas should circulate freely.

• 10. Darwish | January 30th, 2010 at 12:43 am

  Arab culture is typically male dominated and in particular those societies that are embedded in Islamic traditions. Even though Lebanon is not an islamic society, it does have a large muslim population that derives its core societal values from these traditions and as a result this matter has influenced the granting of CERTAIN important rights to women as a whole. There is certainly a political reason behind this as N correctly suggests, but in reality if you look at arab women in general, they are held back due to this presumed role in their respective societies because of these traditions that are often justified through religious interpretation of the Koran by male clerics. We should however be thankful that women in Lebanon enjoy more freedom in general than their counterparts in places like Saudi, Jordan or even Egypt.

• 11. paul | January 30th, 2010 at 1:41 am

  Yasmine,you dont mean my comment…or?

• 12. Jah | January 30th, 2010 at 8:24 am

  The racist thing is to exempt a whole group of people based on their nationality, race, religion or anything. A Lebanese women should be able to give the nationality to who ever she marries Palestinian, Ethiopian, Sri Lankan, American, what ever. To have a law granting the women this right exempting Palestinians is beyond racist. The fact you guys don’t see as racist is appalling, blinded by hate.

• 13. Michele | January 30th, 2010 at 8:49 am

  Funnily me too just yesterday I was discussing that issue with a french friend who is married to a Lebanese woman n living in Lebanon with his 2 daughters to whom he needs every year to do their papers in order to stay in Lebanon.
  Moreover, again just yesterday they were discussing holding a big concert beginning of spring to create awarness abt that issue. The band leading musician is an American married to a Lebanese for the last 15yrs.

  About the Palestinian issue, well I do know a guy whose father, a Palestinian, kidnapped his mother married her by force but that was back in the 70s. Of course their son till today is suffering for not having any official papers n still living wz his Lebanese family ( both his monther n father got killed).

  What do I personally think abt that matter; well I have mixed feelings towards it n if it comes to me I’ll suggest as well what N earlier suggested whether it’s considered racist or not!

• 14. Tarek | January 30th, 2010 at 8:59 am

  A Lebanese woman has the right to marry whomever she wants and grant him and more importantly her children citizenship just like men. I can’t believe what I’m hearing here. Why should a Lebanese girl sacrifice so much if she happened to like a non-Lebanese or even a Palestinian guy? This is totally unacceptable, the children of Lebanese women are Lebanese.

• 15. N10452 | January 30th, 2010 at 9:18 am

  Did you actually read what i said ya Tarek or are you just repeating yourself ??

• 16. SPY | January 30th, 2010 at 10:06 am

  Inno we want to give BACK the lebanese citizinship to people who left lebanon maybe 100 year ago, where:
  - they don’t know lebanon
  - they will never live in lebanon
  - they will never pay TAX in Lebanon

  but

  we don’t give it to a CHILD (muslim or christian) who:
  - is born in lebanon
  - Lives in Lebanon
  - maybe become a general manger in a very huge industrial factory that may create thousand of jobs
  ….
  just because, he may have palestinian father!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
  OH MY GOOOOOOOOOOOOOOD

• 17. Jah | January 30th, 2010 at 10:40 am

  I suggest most you guys to watch the movie on this site

  http://thelebanonidreamof.com/

  They are also on youtube, to much hate in our land

• 18. avi | January 30th, 2010 at 11:15 am

  So I am being censored …thanks N…….

• 19. Tarek | January 30th, 2010 at 11:18 am

  I read what you said N, and I’m repeating my self emphasizing that even if this can hep “tawteen” stealing rights from women and their children is not the right way to fix it.

• 20. N10452 | January 30th, 2010 at 11:33 am

  Jah,
  This is Aounist propaganda ..

  Tarek,
  What solution do you have in mind ?? I specifically asked that it be restudied and palestinians excepted from the law …

  What do you suggest as an alternative ?

• 21. Jah | January 30th, 2010 at 11:55 am

  Aounist propaganda???? Did you watch it? One of the speakers even talks about the aouniah sheep. I am not sure who the makers are or who they are affiliated with but the message is clear and rejects the current situation. I can’t beleive you even consider it propaganda, please explain to me how you came up with that.

  Before you jump to conclusions I am not affiliated with any of the trashy so called political groups. If it was up to me I would ban them all and execute all the bloody leaders. You guys accuse HA supporters of being narrow minded sheep while the lot of you are the same type of crap.

• 22. N10452 | January 30th, 2010 at 12:42 pm

  Jah,
  I saw all of it and yes it is a aounist propaganda and Aounists are behind it …

  Nonetheless, what’s the point behind it ? Khabberna chi jdeed ??
  That guy Tony Hanna li mabsouteen fi … ask him what he does for a living and how he mocks people by performing for 20 or 30 minutes if he ever shows up …

  I am not affiliated with any party myself, i support LF ideas and that’s about it …

  And DO READ MY COMMENTS before judging and saying i am crap …

• 23. Tarek | January 30th, 2010 at 12:44 pm

  N, I suggest not giving citizenship to husbands and wives of both Lebanese men and women and restrict it to the children. This way it’s fair for both.

• 24. N10452 | January 30th, 2010 at 12:46 pm

  Avi,
  For the nth time, i told you that you are being moderated because you were spamming the posts and apparently still are.

  I gave you tons of chances and you didn’t listen …

  Compile your answers into ONE reply and stop posting 100 posts for saying the same idea.

  Stop Spamming and you will be taken off the moderation list.

  You are being “MODERARTED” not “CENSORED”.

• 25. N10452 | January 30th, 2010 at 12:47 pm

  I agree with that approach Tarek.

• 26. avi | January 30th, 2010 at 12:58 pm

  So N in that case why is my main point that sexism is a form of racism been taken out?

• 27. Maximus | January 30th, 2010 at 2:10 pm

  Why not adopting quotas?
  A fixed number of naturalization by year equally divided for christian and muslim women? the oldest marriage first. Mounasafe…
  If there aer thouthands of muslim women who married palestinians and other arab nationalities, there are also thouthands of christian women who married christian syrians, french and americans.

• 28. Peter | January 30th, 2010 at 2:26 pm

  You Lebanese are so much imprisoned by your religious quota! Every child of a Lebanese man or woman should get the Lebanese nationality. But not necessaryl the spouse, and treat both sexes equally. (A Swiss view)

• 29. Alyssa | January 30th, 2010 at 9:42 pm

  ”’The racist thing is to exempt a whole group of people based on their nationality, race, religion or anything.”’

  Yes we are soo racist that we allow a group of hostile people to have their own self-rule, pay no tax and carry as much weapons as our army on our own soil.
  Jah, Have you ever heard of the saying;
  if you cant swin, dont save someone drowning because you will drown with them?

  Citizenship isnt something that is a basic right its something is earned if a foreigner wants to recieve it.Palestinians are lucky they are still in Lebanon. for me it’s not really about sectariansm but principle.

  Yes If putting my country and people first and not wanting to allow the people who first imported terrorism and destruction here to become Lebanese makes me a racist than I am a racist. Shoot me.
  Spare me your self-righteous crap i have heard it all before to a point is a numb effect on me.
  The only people who want to make appeasments for Palestinians to stay here are certain sectaranist sunnis like hariri and self-hating naive Lebanese. When since 1990 a million lebanese left their homes people like you want to replace them with the very people who partly helped them leave.

  Do you think people dont want palestinians
  to get nationality merely because they they are palestinian? its not that simple get over yourself.
  Ask your yourself why is it we do not mention saudis,syrians,egyptians or any other people but the palestinians?
  the syrian goverment has done evil here but we dont single out the syrian population? why? because there IS a difference. many Syrians can live here and behave palestinian refugees for the most part cant. we are singleing out palestinians to not get citizenship because out of these groups they DONT DESERVE IT and never will after what they did in this in country and still do today. They have only hostility towards this place and the loner they stay here the longer it will be for this country to ever get back on it’s feet.
  No country on the earth would have tolerated the crap we put of with them Jordan didnt with the PLO and Kuwait didnt either when they sided with an invader. Infact Kuwait expelled 400,000 of them why arent you calling al-sabah racists? Dubai is chucking them out slowly, why arent emiratis labelled racists? espcially since they mostly dont give expatriates nationality. but WE in Lebanon are expected too when we have no condition.
  i had to spend nearly over a decade of my youth in Kuwait and Africa thanks to the shit they did in Lebanon and the mountains with their allies. Making Palestinians Lebanese isnt a just a sectarian problem it’s a demographic one is well, palestinians always complain and are reproducing non stop even if hey are no condition. If you allow them to stay here to long it wont just be christian community in danger it will be most of Lebanon if they out number us like they do in Jordan.
  Any Lebanese regardless sex if they want to marry a Palestinian then they should embrace the Palestinian indentity too. Lebanese demographics are too sensitive.

  to SPY
  Lebanon is for the Lebanese not palestinians, palestinians in Lebanon have no loyalty to this country whatsover giving them ID will not change that the ones who live here mostly resent us. Too many people have died and suffered to allow that to happen.
  Lebanese regardless where they live are LEbanese and always will be.

• 30. nona | January 31st, 2010 at 9:30 am

  N,

  Either you agree to give women their full rights, or not. No qualifications, no excuses.

  You can’t say I’m for women’s rights and equality “except for this” because I’d be on the losing end of the changes!

  You can’t try to be modern and liberal and just, and then give yourself an exception that suits you personally.

  Nona

• 31. Jah | January 31st, 2010 at 2:07 pm

  Alyssa,

  I am not saying to grant citizenship to all the Palestinian refugees, simply to the ones that marry Palestinian men or women. Just like like any other foreigner who marries a Lebanese. Thats all I am saying nothing more.

  “Any Lebanese regardless sex if they want to marry a Palestinian then they should embrace the Palestinian indentity too.” Ideally yes, but I’m sure you are aware that their land is occupied and they don’t even have a citizenship how the hell do you expect their partners to get one.

  Just as we should grant Lebanese men and women to pass their nationality to anyone they choose to marry, the Palestinian armed militias need to abide by Lebanese law. But this will never happen as long as we keep voting in the same incompetent politicians.

  N,
  I did not know you did not consider yourself a Lebanese Forces member, but the fact that you run a blog called the “Ouwet Front” is kind of misleading.

• 32. N10452 | January 31st, 2010 at 9:16 pm

  Jah,
  Why misleading ?
  i am an LF member but i am not affiliated to the LF official party as it does not meet my expectations nor does it meet the LF expectations ( the one i know) …

• 33. Alyssa | January 31st, 2010 at 9:55 pm

  Jah, than you are creating a open political loop hole , that many palestinians will use to get hold of tawteen and sectaranists from the sunni branch will help them. This shouldnt be allowed to happen too much is at stake.
  Palestinians should be made exempt, because th palestinians actions themselves make them candidate to be exempt.
  Jordan gave those people a home,equal rights and tawteen, lol look what they tried to do to that country or how many palestinians bad mouth Jordan, they would be still ungrateful even if we sacrficed all of lebanon for them they will still complain and demand more.

  ”’Ideally yes, but I’m sure you are aware that their land is occupied and they don’t even have a citizenship how the hell do you expect their partners to get one.”’

  How is that my problem? I am not the one occupying their land. Do you want to give them my land is some sort of compensation?
  they should be sent to somewhere that can handle this country is scarred enough because of them. to suggest tawteen would be immoral. Lebanon is occupied with them, yep over 350,000 refugess ARMED with self-rule on our land and make it dangerous for us to go to certain areas.
  END THE PALESTINIAN OCCUPATION OF LEBANON. dont make them stay here any longer.

• 34. Bassam | February 13th, 2010 at 8:04 pm

  Well, for all of you who are with giving women their right in passing on their nationality to their children and husbands excluding those who are married to palestinians. well i am AGAINST that 100% why should we prevent those who chose to marry palestinians and what crime did those children do not to be able to hold their mom’s nationality?! those children wr born, raised, lived,worked in lebanon, they know nothing about their mother country but the pics and the stories they hear about it. i know some palestinians who are extremely high educated and they dnt even accept not saying that they are nothing but LEBANESE, we people go to other countries live there from 3 to 8 years to get the nationality, how about those who were born here and from Lebanese mothers!
  Now about the Muslim/christian balance… ppl PLEASE read the history and ask your priests about back in the early 50’s and late 60’s , 70’s, 80’s and 90’s IF NOT ALL 99% OF THE CHRISTIAN PALESTINIAN REFUGEES WERE GRANTED THE LEBANESE CITIZENSHIP!!!!! do you consider that fair? we consider ourselves to be the most modest and modern among the arab countries then we should start acting like it, we can not impose on someone not to marry whom they want either they wr pals, kurd, iraqi or mongolians this is their choice and its the lebanese government’s duty to fair treat all lebanese equally regarding women granting their children their own Nationality, if we do not accept it there is something else that we are forgetting THEY ARE LEBANESE BY BLOOD!.

• 35. paul | February 15th, 2010 at 2:45 pm

  السفير الإسرائيلي الجديد لمصر من مواليد لبنان
  ma3o passport libnene?

• 36. Alyssa | February 15th, 2010 at 5:15 pm

  Most Muslim countries impose laws that Muslim women cant marry non muslims, so how is that any different?
  The only thing good palestinians can for Lebanon Bassam is get out!!! Most of the refugees are not educated in Lebanon and we have no obligation to look after them either. Also NO other country would of tolerated the shit they did here and you think we should easily forgive and forget when the wounds have yet to heal?
  They are not lebanese they are palestinian you hear them say ana falastini and that crap so no tawteen never. Learn to think of your own people first.Many of us had to leave our homes and country because of this people so being able to live in Lebanon is one privileged they have that many Lebanese who working to the sweat abroad dont.
  I support the law but Not fall palestinians not after what they have done in Lebanon.
  Bassam spare your bulls***
  do you know how many Palestinian Christians came to Lebanon i would say only about 10% of all palestinians barely 15-30,000 got citizenship it practically made no difference to the demographics
  & most of them probally left lebanon,
  absorbing 400,000 sunni palestos in this country will make a HUGE difference.Shia palestinians were also granted citizenship in the 60s this all being before palestinians destroyed lebanon in 1967 and all these people were small numbers .Its unfair considering there are numerous of Sunni countries that have the have to resources to look after them but still people expect us to sacrifice our country for palestinians at the expense of the lebanese and the survival of the christian community.

  Hariri granted 300,000-500,000 syrians (mostly muslims) citizenship and 30,000 palestinians illegally. do you consider that fair? I would if it we granted 500,000 iraqi & Egyptian christians suffering from islamic persecution tawteen who need it btw this was after we agreed with the muslims to the taef on condition NO palestinians would get citizenship and breaking this oath is breaking the validity of the taef
  we all know this is a sectarian trick and we wont fall for it spare me your fake patriotism no patriotic Lebanese would support handing this country over to Palestinian hegemony after all those who died for it. We are Not ”arabs” we are lebanese only to hell with so called arab brotherhood

  also i was raised in Kuwait it doesnt make me Kuwaiti and 3 of my siblings born there Koweit woulnt see them as kuwaiti either or would they be legally entitled to citzenship (not that they wud want it) however i dont see anyone calling them of the Gulf or saudi arabia ”racists” or demand they naturalize every person born in their country.

• 37. Rania | February 23rd, 2010 at 10:24 am

  I strongly believe that children of Lebanese women married to Palestinian men should not be excluded. They should be givenn thhe Labanese nationnality. The husbands are maybe a different story. The Lebanese legistlators can put restrictions and conditions to make sure that a law that allows Lebanese wommen to give their lebanese Nationality to their children, regardless of thhe nationality of thhe father, is not abused. Children born to Lebanese Women of Palestinian husbands are much more Lebanese than Palestinian. This is my firm conviction.

• 38. Bassam | February 23rd, 2010 at 4:15 pm

  Alyssa,
  look back at what u wrote dear,
  u talked about Christians and shiaa pals getting the lebanese nationality with no discrimination, u talked about taef ignoring that taef was addressing PLAS refugees not those who came from LEBANESE mothers! i did not and i wont and no body will ever forget what some pals have done to our country, we have to take in consideration that not all the refugees came here as militias! there are civilians like us when we immigrated to other countries during the civil war dear Alyssa and those militias are registered and the government knows about them and they are no fools to grant them the nationality yet you are forgetting that the matter here is Lebanese women rights and the % of pals benefitting from this law is as low as 2% so that doesn’t mean that we will b giving Lebanon to the palestinians. and looking at your comments up there its shows that ur highlights are demographics with no interest what so ever to the subject of this forum. we are here talking Women rights and a big % of them are married to christian foreigners so please go back to the data published by the ministry of internal affairs to educate urself about the ratio.
  Lebanon is a multi religion country dear Alyssa its not about who counts more but who gives more to it. lets just get rid of this shitty mentality and just live here as LEBANESE or just get back (7ajez l barbara) and let us go back to that era. and am sure that no one would like even to remember that time. we should learn from that time so think Lebanese not religions.
  NB: i think that my words were clean and decent so lets keep it this way, this is how moderated people do.
  so last but not least women should have their rights equally (hehe i cant blv myself defending women’s rights against another lady)

• 39. Alyssa | February 23rd, 2010 at 5:29 pm

  Those statistics are FAKE I live in the north I know how many Lebanese SUNNI women marry Palestinians its more common for a man but it still happens for the woman to. Also 2% is a % too much.
  They are Not civilians bassam please dont even bother to lie, this is the type of the thing Robert fisk writes.They have more weapons on them than the Army and their camps are so dangerous even I am afraid to go near like many every week they attack someone usually a Peace keeping troops they are a problem we dont need.
  I want nothing from these ppl but to leave our country in peace. We have to take in consideration most these ppl DID support these militias that went on to wreck our country and kill us. Most of them still do. Numbers are very important it could stop us from living the way we do to that of our copt brethren who just recently were massacred in Nag Hammadi and our iraqi brothers who are afraid to go to church because it could get blown up by the Shia or sunni islamists.
  I will not let my community be sacrificied for the sake of palestinians!

  What a cheap trick! I am not against womens right as I am advocate for them more than you think.I do support this law but only if the Palestinians get excluded.
  This bullshit ppl trying to make it out about ”human rights” when its another sectarian trick from the Sunnis to absorb the Palestininas into the country
  It is disgusting their are millions of Lebanese out their who have no or have it very difficult to get citizenship when we all know this merely because they are christian. These filthy terrorist militia like Islamic Jihad and Hamas have no place in our land if werent for the Saudis, Hariri and all the other arab states protecting their presence they wouldn’t be here.

• 40. Bassam | February 24th, 2010 at 1:22 am

  there is no way in hell that i support any of those extremists like jihad or hamas or what have you, i am not talking about those palestinians who live in camps, its better for them to go back to palestine, am talking about those decent pals ppl who live like and among us, those from good families, good education and manners and have loyalty to lebanon as we do, i dont thinks that a leb woman would marry a pal and go live in a refugee camp or at least most of them.
  i blv that i asked u to keep this conversation decent and as u said that ur an advocate so at least u should have some manners of discussion dear Alyssa, am not lying and i dnt even have to “bother” lying just to defend my opinion in a cause there ARE high percentage of civilian pals who live among us as i previously said taking neither hamas nor fateh nor jihad as a side, they just live as residents so please dear educate urself about the subject before getting in its discussion. ur case if u live in the north we all know that the north is full of extremists from jama3a, to alawiyya + pals so we understand ur suffering and am totally against that but u cannot just judge all pals out of ur closed circle, u have to have an over looking judgment dear and justice is the first thing u know in the law school i blv.
  nationality for those who lost it or for those immigrants is a right to claim and i write in other forums regarding that right dear Alyssa where i strongly demand for them to claim their nationality. last but not least we do have lebanese criminals who did much worse to lebannon that the pal militias did (not defending them in anyway) meaning in all nations there are the good and bad ppl so we cannot just judge all of them basing on the corrupted ones.

• 41. Alyssa | February 24th, 2010 at 2:06 am

  You didnt answer my question regarding the muslim countries I understand u may be coming from a human perspective but many are using this for a sectarian perspective lets not pretend many sunnis dont want to see the palestinians naturalized this is the main reason Aoun still has followers.
  I only come from a realistic perspective as harsh as it maybe.I agree we do have criminals in Lebanon, infact many of them are allowing the pals to do this and keep putting their intersts above ours since they are mostly bought stooges. The thing is they can be forgiven since they are Lebanese the Palestinians arent they were guests yet they behaved worse than savages.
  Understand my anger that Palies get their terrorist orgs that like Hamas, Islamic Jihad to be based here yet Etienne Sakr who was more Pro-Lebanon than anyone is exiled and the Guradians outlawed.
  You understand my suffering good, thanks but understand I have children so my priority is only to their well being not people who keep spitting in the face of Lebanese regardless anything we do for them. everyone keeps talking about ”during the war” making out the pals only caused problems during the war LOL they continue to do so even today. 2007 lets not forget Nahr Al Bared and you should know one of the banks the Fatah al-islam terrorists robbed is not far from where I live. A friend of mine infact worked in one of them until quitting.Fatah al-islam although armed by other arabs it is an offshot of Fatah of the PA and the leader Shaker al-abassi is a palestinian the palestinians gave this group a shelter and then started crying on Al-Jazeera that they were victims of ”Lebanese agression” when they allowed these ppl to attack us in our country first. Shaker al-abassi also is guilty of the murder of our martyr
  Francois El-Hajj.
  Also go check how many attacks are occured
  in the South from pali camps even recently.
  You expect us to continue to share a country with these ppl? Why should I sacrifice the safety of my children for these ppl? loyalty is one thing most palestinians know nothing about ask Jordanians (not the naturalized palestinians) and Kuwaitis about that. You could give the palestinians the moon they would still bad mouth Lebanon and Lebanese and it wouldnt stop them from stabbing us in the back again. They hate us and they hate Lebanon.The palestinians who live in the camps are armed!
  please stop living in this pretense the palestinians in Lebanon are ”civilians” they are anything but. Most these ”decent” palestinians your talking have all Left, the ones who now are left are dirt poor and too be honest that isnt our problem to look after a misbehaving population of 400,000 when this country can barely keep 8 hours of electricity for its people.Yes to the nationality law for women but No to Palestinians sorry this isnt their country and they have outstayed their welcome and Lebanese (either male or female) who have married these refugees can go join them when they are all relocated. hopefully god willing soon.
  Its better for them and for Lebanon if they get out of here I dont care where they go anywhere is better than nowhere beggars cant be choosers. One place they can go to is Bahrain they need Sunnis there.

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