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• 1. el khatir | March 29th, 2008 at 7:05 pm

  allah yer7amo la ramzi 3irani

• 2. Johnny.B | March 29th, 2008 at 7:45 pm

  mmmm … you have point m .. bass don’t forget the syrian occupation bi wa2ta … enno what did u expect him to back then? go tell syria that she killed him … he would be dead before even thinking about saying it …

  allah yir7am ramzi irani …

• 3. N10452 | March 29th, 2008 at 7:47 pm

  Johnny.B,
  He didnt even denounce it .. ma ken mawjoud Adwan .. ba3den wou iza Syria was there ??

  Ma kenit hone lamma Hariri was killed ???

• 4. Bachir 7ay Fina | March 29th, 2008 at 8:13 pm

  ma ba3rif adday nouweb el ouwet bye7emlo men rou7 el ouwet.
  georges adwan ma fi mara 7eké w fhemna chou bado y2oul.
  Joe sarkis arit tafyeh keno ra7 yghayna lmanehij la chi esleme w houwe mech deryen.
  fi Antoine Zahra zalameh mazbout, wel 7akim ktir byetekil 3alay

• 5. a5watz | March 29th, 2008 at 8:20 pm

  u damn conservatives.. hal balad baddo hitler ye7kmo ta yerkab 3a ba3do

• 6. Elie.F. | March 29th, 2008 at 8:32 pm

  wlo habibi ya N inno ya bitkoon LF and u respect and obey whatever they decide because u shall beleive in the case or prepare yourself to the elections next year and show Geagea that u r against his choices.
  When u go to Mi3rab did u ever mention these kind of questions about the LF deputees and how passive they are,or did u ever ask George Adwan where were he in 1995 walla inta yalli 3am ti7shi,or as they say in arabic ( saff 7aki)?
  Baddak tshiddilli rkebak shwayy ya N, and take it as it is,or drop it all. when u accept something and then u say it needs retouche it would have been better if you did not choose it from the beginning.
  Alla yir7am KIL el shohada

• 7. fake | March 29th, 2008 at 8:50 pm

  N w cedar walla mankoun 3erfin chou badkoun,
  se3a ma fi democratye bel ouwet wkeloun byemcho wara el hakim 3al 3emyene. bterja3o eza chefto hadan heke wejhet nazaro wkenit ghayr wejhit nazarkoun bet2oule chou hal hake w betbalcho nazaryet.
  ma hadan ba2a yfaser el hake 3a zaw2o sme3to la 3edwen 3am bi2oul aw 3am bi7adid chouhada hezb allah bel 2esem ya khayeeeeeeeeeeee 2al chouhada lebnen w sawrit el arz w fehmak kfeye ma 2al chouhada dawlit el fakih?
  2ama bekhsous mou2asasa na7wa el moustakbal man houwe hebib yghayro ma 3ejbetak el khabrye rfoda, bas staw3abto el slogan el jdid 2al mou2asasa li kiam dawlat lebnen khaye dawlit chou badak 2ente wayn el ghalat bihal jemle yen3an ekhta la hal jemle 3tine wayn el ghalat fya

• 8. paul | March 29th, 2008 at 9:41 pm

  What he says is important, but more important is what he thinks.

• 9. Cyprus | March 29th, 2008 at 10:27 pm

  for N10452

  i always read your posts, and i never put any comments. now i just want to say something. your posts are important but i don’t understand why you are always negative with anything LF is doing nowadays. i am sure that if there were internet and you were able to have ouwet.com on 80’s, you would also be offending LF with anything they do. after following up with all your posts, i can now conclude that you only like to judge for the fact of judgin.

  please be aware that i like LF but i am not a memeber and wasn’t before, and i have nothing offensive towards you, but i believe that, as you always say, this place is free for people to give their opinions, and i have done it.

• 10. Zoro | March 29th, 2008 at 11:03 pm

  Mazbout yalla they will clap la Adwan. Akid fi ktir ouwet asks the same questions but do not dare to say them in public. Wein ken Adwan when all the rifa’ were resisting the Syrians? Wein ken lama Ramzi was assassinated? Kif wousil la ysir neyib and vice president of the LF while he was away all these years???

  As take it as it is as some one said here, well ya haboub haideh bas bitsir like cedars said in a farm and in a feudal system. Bi democratic and free LF the elader, the deputy, … kil wahad fina lezim ykoun mist3id la kil el taali’ wil critic. W lezim aslan ya3rif shu 3am yihke.

  Bas leish cedars w N are upset? This is what happens when people drop the resistance and join a farm system.

  Allah Yirham Ramzi Irani w Shouhade’ el Mouqawameh el Libneniyeh, la ma keno 3am yistashihdo keno nes mitil Adwan mkkhabayin aw 3am ya3mlo masareh.

• 11. N10452 | March 29th, 2008 at 11:21 pm

  Cyprus,
  Thank u for ur valuable input.
  I am afraid i might be giving you the wrong impression here ..i have worked in the LF for years and never complained to the public .. and worked my ass off to get Hakim out ( as much as i could) and never complained one day and even defended the LF blindly .. hoping that with Hakim’s freedom things will be straighened up ..

  This is where i was dissapointed, when things got worse and when the LF i was fighting for is doing everything i always was against …

  I like the LF and all i see nowadays is mistakes after mistakes, from this unbalanced alliance to huge political mistakes to shameful political speeches and quotes like this one ..

  I critisize because i care about the LF .. and because i am not welcomed there anymore or should i say .. i cant get in unless i turn into a sheep and drop my principles .. someting i would rather die than do ..

• 12. Joe | March 29th, 2008 at 11:37 pm

  WTF ya N ???
  What is ur problem ???
  Who told u that we are loyal to Hezbollah’s martyrs???

  Honestly, I don’t like Adwan but what he meant here is Cedars Revolution martyrs, 14 march martyrs, and who WE consider Lebanon’s martyrs. I don’t consider Moghniyeh or Hezbollah’s deads as martyrs !!
  and i dont think that Adwan considers them martyrs.
  I’m sure he meant that we are loyal to Cedars Revolution’s martyrs as we are loyal to Ramzi —> our loyality to Cedars Revolution’s martyrs is not less than our loyality to Ramzi..

  N, most of your critiques are constructives but eno mich kel ma da2 el kouz bel jarra you critisize the LF…

• 13. N10452 | March 29th, 2008 at 11:43 pm

  Honestly Joe,
  I dont think we can compare our martyrs to anyone else’s .. not even Hariri … ba3den as far as i know the new LF acknowledges Hezbollah’s martyrs ??

  I ask you again ..
  lay ma fi ma7kame la Ramzi ya Joe ????

• 14. fake | March 30th, 2008 at 12:48 am

  N, ba3ed ma 3titne wayn el mechkle bel jemle w wayn jeb siret hezballa w chouhade2o.
  chouhada el ouwet ma byot2arano bi chouhada hadan hayda ra2yak w 2enta hor fi wkamen hayda ra2ye binafs el wa2et. bas kelna mna3ref 2eno el mechkle bi lebnen 2eno kel wahad bihemo chouhade2o w byetrouk el be2yin whayda li 3am ykhale el lebnenye ma yetef2o ma3 ba3ed.
  bekhsous el mahkame ya N nahna manna bihaje ta na3rif min la2eno ma3rouf min wel harire kamen ma3rouf min 2etlo bas bi ra2yak el ra2is el farance wel amercaine wghayroun bya3rfo el chahid ramzi aw el hariri?
  wakhiran b2ellak 2eno el chahid ramzi ken 3eref halo chou 3am ya3moul w 3eref el nateyej wma ken nater hadan ta y3almo yheb el ouwet el lebnenye la2eno kel wahad fina houwe ouwet lebnenye. fa mano natir mahakame nater khalas lebnen hayda li b2elak yeh

• 15. elie | March 30th, 2008 at 1:51 am

  Guys…i understand what N is trying to say here…
  The LF is supposed to be the christians right-wing party….and when LFers like Joe sarkis declare us as arabs….or when Mr George adwan try to change an LF slogan….without asking us….
  and when some LF politicians are following the “tebwiss el leha “school….all these things upset N and other LFers who want LF to be straightforward….
  i think this is happening because LF has not yet fully recovered from the 12 years ban ……with hard work and strong will and devoted people…the LF will become again the spearhead of the christian community …..
  N….keep up the good job.

• 16. Joe | March 30th, 2008 at 3:22 am

  we don;t know what happened with Ramzi’s case. You gotta ask the minister.
  But what i was telling u is not about the ma7kame, its about adwan’s quote.
  I told u i don’t like that guy, but i think you misunderstood what he said.

  N, I know and I am sure that all ur critiques are because you care about the LF. What you are doing is something essential for the continuation of the LF… but the place is wrong !!

• 17. Filov | March 30th, 2008 at 5:03 am

  أحد محازبيه وصفه بقاطع الوعود الكاذبة…عون يصاب بإعياء وبنوبة عصبية اثر محاولة انشقاق في التيار

  أفادت مصادر واسعة الإطلاع أنه في إطار خطتها الهادفة إلى الاستيلاء على مراكز القرار في التيار الوطني الحر والى جعله رهينة في قبضة حزب الله والمخابرات السورية, دعت مجموعة من المسمين أنفسهم بالقياديين في اللجنة المركزية للتيار الوطني الحر والمنحلة بقرار من العماد عون عددا من الناشطين العونيين إلى اجتماع كان من المفترض أن ينعقد يوم الاثنين الماضي الواقع في الرابع والعشرين من شهر مارس الجاري في أحد الفنادق الواقعة في منطقة الكسليك- جونية,

• 18. Michele | March 30th, 2008 at 7:53 am

  N, the reason why i read all ur posts is because u are not biais! I have never been a big LF fan, till only recently i met some of them and found out abt that blog. I truly admire how u tackle topics wz lot’s of objectivity and wont mind critisizing what ever u don’t see it right.

  Wish the aounist had a mind of their own and start seeing the truth as it is. I never heard a Aouni critisizing GMA even when he says and does the stupidest things ever!

  N, just keep up wz the great work here!

• 19. N10452 | March 30th, 2008 at 11:12 am

  Hey Michele,
  The only way for any party to prosper is to have accountability among its ranks .. i was once a blind defender and i am not ashamed to admit it .. however i kept myself doubting but in silence some decisions, i was young and enthusiastic but i learned slowly that only being honest and saying the truth as it is will get you to a powerful position in politics and in life ..

  You cant argue with someone who has nothing to hide … this is how our parties should be … proud of their achievemets, sorry for their mistakes … and DEMOCRATIC !!!

• 20. patrick | March 30th, 2008 at 11:35 am

  i agree with you a 100 %, this is shit ,
  it is not acceptable to forget people like that .The courts must judge the killers of ramzi irani and pierre boulos , and there should be an investigation , chou 3am nel3ab ?

• 21. Ziad | March 30th, 2008 at 2:17 pm

  Wayn kan N w Cedars when at the age of 18 George Edwain defended Dekwaneh in 1969? Where were both of you when Edwain trained 20000 shab in the summers of 73-76? Wayn kinto when Edwain (along with abou sleiman and abati ne3man) shuttled between Hakim and Aoun during Ilgha trying to broker one ceasfire after the other?where were both of you when Edawin was key in establishing the LF back in 1976? So if someone works in silence and keeps low profile you would ask wayn kan.

• 22. Zoro | March 30th, 2008 at 2:26 pm

  Ziad wein kinit lama Adwan was … ….. when we were fighting the mountain war? if you want to know what … …. is all you have to do is ask Ahel el Jabal.
  Kamen khayna Ziad when Aoun was killing the LF, Adwan was on his side. W la maaloumetak w maaloumet kil el new LF out there, LF gave the orders to bomb Adwan house during the Ilgha war.
  Adwan wasn’t working in silence, he was silent and he was on the other side. He doesn’t deserve to be an LF let along a deputy and a VP.
  Wein kinit wein Adwan ‘arat el tounzim? Ask abou Roy.
  Ba3dein ya N w ya cedars ma Samir geagea said a year ago he respects Hizballah martyrs. So if Adwan put ramzi equal to all lebanese martyrs (he didn’t say only March 14) 3ala shu inteh zi3lenin?
  Ma Haida el new LF yali Hariri wants.

• 23. Ziad | March 30th, 2008 at 2:44 pm

  Zoro,
  FYI…
  1. Edwain gave up military work in 1978 or so. So certainly he was not part of Mountain war.However, he was always in the LF board as deputy head throughout all LF leaders from Bashir to Samir and voted against the itifak al thulathy unlike Abu Roy (which I respect very well).
  2. Please review the press during Ilgha war and you see that the team of mediators between Geagea and Aoun was Na3man,Edwain and Abu Sleiman.There are many pictures of the 3 crossing the war lines between both parties and meeting with both leaders.To me this is a great role for anyone to play at those terrible times.

• 24. Zoro | March 30th, 2008 at 3:33 pm

  Ziad,

  1- Ask the Mountain war people who were there what he was doing. Ask them specificaly about the “ma3ounet ghize’iyeh” that was sent there.

  2- Abou Roy wasn’t in the meeting to vote with or against. I am against itifaq thoulathi but the LF signed Taef after all.

  3- I know what went in Ilgha war and do not need any press to read about it. I lived it. You do not know exactly what role he played.

  4- If his role was for the LF, the LF wouldn’t been given the orders to bomb his house.

  5- Where was he when the Syrians were stepping on us? Read the press from 1995 till he became a deputy not a single word against the Syrians, against geagea sent to prison, against arresting the rifa’, the torture, the killings, ….

  6- Why he didn’t attend the funeral of amrtyr ramzi Irani.

  7- A person like him shouldn’t be in the LF. More important he shouldn’t use the Ramzi irani name and put him equal to all other martyrs in lebanon.

  8- A person who didn’t stood by the LF, by the rifa’ from 1995 to the day who became a deputy has no right to be in the LF or even talk about its martyrs and use their names.

• 25. fake | March 30th, 2008 at 8:09 pm

  chabeb li 3am tehko fi ghalat hayda ma bi2adem wala bi2akher kel wahad byes2al el tene 2enta wayn kent wa2ta kaza w2enta wayn rohot wata kaza wma3 min kent. el mohem mech wayn ken el chakhes elmohem ma3 min sar wfekro kif sar.
  ya3ne eza wahad ken dod kayen esmo lebnen w ba3dayn sar ma3 el kayen el lebnen b2elo la2 ma 2ent kent dod eh haik mendal mahalna wma mnerbah bel 3akes mnokhsar la2eno bel niheye fi tari2a esma el 2ekna3 badkoun te2na3o el dodkoun bi fekerkoun akid mech bel 2ouwe. wa 2ella 2eza kento 3 3andkoun zet el fekra wkel ma yeje hada bado y2ayedkoun w ken dodkoun bet2oulo wayn kent eh bravo laken good luck ma btousalo

• 26. N10452 | March 30th, 2008 at 8:10 pm

  Priceless words ..

  Thank you Zoro.

• 27. elie | March 30th, 2008 at 8:13 pm

  for heaven sake, you concider yourself Lebanese Forces supporters,but all you do is attacking us, if you really are what you say I would be ashamed to call myself a lebanese forces, you are worse than the aounists or all the 8 march people, you act as if we are in a normal country, some of you still lives in the past and don`t want to move ahead, well you can live in your dreams but we as lebanese forces will move ahead in the future, our slogan was to the future.. but if you really were LF you would understand that this slogan was the first step in building our country, now we have the chance and we`ll take it WITH OR WITHOUT YOU, you can if you want join FOUAD ABO NADER,PUSSY….. and the rest of the group who has hate on the LEBANESE FORCES because they think they build it, and they are out now because of Dr. Geagea. go live in your hatred and self deniying hopfully someday you`ll wake up and look around and realize its not 1985 but rather 2008.

• 28. fake | March 30th, 2008 at 8:15 pm

  badkoun thesbo yemkin bihe2elkoun w badkoun tente2do kamen mech ghalat bas ma chefto masalan massoud el achaar w fouad abou nader hawde keno 3am yherbo ma3 el ouwet ba3dain saro dod el ouwet w ma3 aoun wbiza2foulo layl nhar.

• 29. Elie.F. | March 30th, 2008 at 8:33 pm

  shabeb iza badkon ti7ko terikh,i want to tell you that george 3idwen in his own hand shot the bodyguard of president chamoun,his name was NA3IM BIRD2AN.

• 30. elie | March 30th, 2008 at 8:38 pm

  Watch out a rifaa, Lebanon is in great danger, and the only group that has the power and people to protect it, is us the LEBANESE FORCES, if we gonna keep on attacking our current leadership because we hate some people and we think some of them were not around during bad days, we will be doing our enemies a big favor, that`s what Aoun and 8 march wants and that`s why they have this old group of the lebanes forces around them attacking Hakim and the lebanese forces. please don`t be draged to this, but rather shut them up. From here you know why they are always on the attack on the Lebanese forces and Hakim, they know the Lebanese Forces are the only group that can stand in thier faces, and thats why they are afraid from us, and thet always always always attack us.

  So ya rifaa, look around those who call them self the old LF and see who is around them, you`ll find everyone who hates LF, and they are using them to get to us, its like destroying us from inside. watch out and be carefull not everyone who say I`m lebanese forces is a true LF.

• 31. Jean-Pierre | March 31st, 2008 at 11:13 am

  The Lebanon Adwan mentioned is the Lebanon we believe in as Lebanese forces,if somebody outside our organization died for Lebanon as in our principles then he is a martyr to us.
  When slogan institute for the future was raised,I do not remember that every LF soldier was asked for permission.Then we didn’t have Dawle, but now we have the chance to have the dawle LF dreamt for. Not to remind you why the LF stood in the first place.
  Stop being childish and comment on every word an LF mp is saying.Doubting in this period will lead to more divisions.
  I trust S.G as the only one who is capable to take the LF to the state we believe in…

• 32. readers | March 31st, 2008 at 3:08 pm

  دود الخل منو و في

• 33. Zoro | April 1st, 2008 at 10:21 pm

  Elie,

  the mentality like yours .. join abu nader, …. those who really hate the LF ….. is what making the LF weak.

  We can say what ever we want about Abu Nader, but you can’t say he hates the LF. You can say he hates or doesn’t like Geagea. Well I do not blame him, if I send pple to Kill you, would you love me?

  So no we do not want to go with Abu Nader or any one else, we want the LF to be clean, pure and keeps its ideology.

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