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Jorsa !

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I never felt that ashamed and that frustrated in the same time of what the LF has become ..
Is this what the Jem3a Cha3biyye is graduating ??? Arent there any more decent people representing the LF ?

Extract from the Economist:

Wednesday
TODAY I am having lunch with the Lebanese Forces (LF). During the civil war, Lebanon divided into sectarian mini-states. Then it split up along militia lines. Today most of the political parties are the children of these armed factions, and the LF are no exception.

Nady Ghosn, the party’s spokesman, has come to pick me up in his car. He has a thick moustache, an addiction to Marlboro Reds, gold-rimmed Aviator glasses and a neatly ironed pink shirt. He appears straight out of the early 1970s, when Lebanon’s Christians were still on top.

On the road to his neighbourhood, I notice something about the sprawl. In Beirut people live on top of each other. The mountains above the city are covered in smart villas that slope down into tenement towers and a slumland of concrete blocks, cramped flats and problems. You can tell a poor area because children play in the streets, and the buildings are still peppered by bullet holes.

We draw into Ayn ar-Rummanah. Mr Ghosn points out the local sites. He speaks slowly, precisely. “Here is where the civil war began with the shooting up of a Palestinian bus.” Tacky plastic Madonnas are stuck onto buildings, and blood-red crosses painted on every wall. The cross is staked at the bottom, to show that it is driven into Lebanese soil. This is the symbol of Mr Geagea’s movement.

We park outside the local LF headquarters. On top of the buildings are two immense crosses. There is an urgency to Christianity here; I feel as if Christ died a few weeks ago and the word is spreading.

“This is the border.” A tattooed man guarding the door points to the end of the street. A giant wall painting of Nabih Berry, the Shia speaker of Parliament and an ally of Hizbullah, stares back at me. We can hear the call to prayer. “There are the Shia.”

Inside the headquarters I am led to a small tiled room. Turkish coffee is poured and a group of young men sit nervously around me. Mr Ghosn begins to speak. “People are becoming more religious. This is our 43rd year of troubles, destabilisation and war. Faith is what they are turning to.” Is the increased religiosity of the Lebanese Christians a marker of their decline from being a dominant group to an insecure one?

The walls are covered in stickers depicting Bashir Gemayel, posters of Mr Geagea and in the corner what looks like a little nativity crib made up of stones with stickers of yesterday’s warlords on them. “Are you a nostalgic movement?” I asked, a bit presumptuously.

“No. We’re proud. We are focusing on the elections. On mobilisation.”
It seems the chief spokesman is busy, so Jean Tawanil, a regular LF supporter, takes me for lunch in the local restaurant. The classic Lebanese spread is laid on: hummus, kebabs, fatoush salad, kibbe balls and spicy beef sausages. Jean smokes a water pipe.

HONE EL TE3TEER !

Lebanese food is almost never bad, but the conversation makes for a strange meal. At one moment my companion is laughing about how he doesn’t like the dirty, stupid,smelly Shia Muslims who live over the road. Ten minutes later he is earnestly telling me how he has many good friends among them and it’s only the leadership he doesn’t like.

He begins what seems like a rant against Israel, which ends up with him announcing his respect for the Israeli army and how he expects Israeli troops to be operating in Beirut very shortly. His frequent toilet breaks allow me to gather my thoughts. It seems the long-standing identity conflict of the Lebanese Christians continue in the minds of even the most committed LF supporters. Then he turns the conversation turns to that traveller’s classic: “Don’t you think my country has the best girls?”

Jean gives me a lift back to the town centre. “You see,” he is trying to sum up his political position, “I like France, America and Israel. They like Iran, Syria.” He points over the road to the neighbouring Shia district of Ash Shiyah. “I don’t want that…it’s not any good.” Iranian flags are fluttering.

Many posters stuck to lamp-posts celebrate the recent release from an Israeli prison after nearly three decades years of Samir Kuntar, a Lebanese Druze who joined a Palestinian guerrilla group and was caught and convicted of killing five Israelis, including a baby girl. But Jean isn’t pointing at them. Instead, he points out the dilapidated state of the buildings, the cheap electric wires and the dirtiness of the streets

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Posted by N10452 on 09.11.08 @ 4:21 pm | 79 Comments

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1. kouwatje | September 11th, 2008 at 5:38 pm

I see it as a cry for organization work.
3 years since hakim is out of prison and the lf still needs lots of work and organization.

El ouwet ba3da 7ezeb bidoun mou7ezibin
t2akharna ktir la nebniya bass el amal kbir

nabka wa nastamer.
2. sam | September 11th, 2008 at 6:33 pm

even though i respect you for putting this topic here.. but what did you expect? when you put most of our efforts and spend all your time criticizing and making propagandas on tayyar and HA instead of a way to work on yourselfs? look at your web site here 60 % of the topics are in such a way.. while go to the pro HA or tayyar as wa3ed .. big difference man .. big diference
3. N10452 | September 11th, 2008 at 6:53 pm

Sam,
big difference btw what ??? are you serious man ??

Show me one forum or site that is pro-HA or pro-FPM and where it is allowed to critisize them in public like on this blog ..

Thats the biggest difference .. by reaching to that level, the LF despite all its problems is still far far better and far more democratic than HA or FPM.
4. kezballah | September 11th, 2008 at 6:57 pm

N don’t let it upset you, in 1975 we started with much worse. Outfits like the Economist ma betkhallis ma3un shu ma 3melit, they are here to criticise and make fun, many times they have a agenda it doesn’t matter how you receive them, you can have a PhD in Economics from Harvard receive them and they will analyse his personality with their stupid racism, they did it to Bashir and they called us names since the 1970’s, I say f*ck them they can go to hell, we have nothing to be ashamed of, we are seeing how bad they are dealing with 1% of our problems.

I agree with you we need to improve always and we have to be ready for all possibilities, this is why I stay informed and I participate in every positive activity that help the people who share my beliefs.
5. sam | September 11th, 2008 at 7:28 pm

what are you talking about N? most of the websites have a comment forum in them.. dont ferget that my comment on comparing resistance to terrorism by telling the story of a resistance man was removed from here…
am talking about the shosen topics .. on even though i started my comment by expressing my respect on putting a self criticism topic here, still most of the chosen topics and comments are to make fun or to criticise HA or tayyar.. ito spread hatred instead of positive discussions…
it is called yetla3e 3a ktifou…
and khaye Kezeb, why you upset? by putting such topics you expect comments, no? i wasnt making fun or using sarcasm…
regards
6. paul | September 11th, 2008 at 8:38 pm

everyone sees what he wants to see.
7. kezballah | September 11th, 2008 at 8:48 pm

Sam, I am not upset at your comment, I am talking about the Economist not you, please check it again I only refer to the article not the comments on the blog, I always in the past welcome all comments (except children making insults) and I think you are fair you will also agree that N makes this blog very democratic and open. He gave me the right to post on his blog even if I don’t know him, he is the example of a person who will be a good leader.
8. kezballah | September 11th, 2008 at 8:52 pm

Maybe my comment #4 was not clear, I mean to say don’t let the Economist article upset you, if LF sent the most educated person to receive them they will still make fun. In 1975 all the west press especially our mother France they insult the Lebanese resistance against the PLO they call us racist, in 2000 they have a few cars burned by fanatics so they run and elect Sarkozi
9. Rodge | September 11th, 2008 at 9:50 pm

N,

I respect your point of view, but we can’t judge a person or an organization from reading one article, or by looking at one representative of the LF. I know the LF are still have a lot to do to reorganize and become professional, but we shoukd also acknowledge two facts, first is that there are many abilities and skills in the LF nowadays and they are trying to organize in some way, while the other fact is that people like Nadi Ghosn and Jean in the article are the among the people who resist and defend and you can depend on them, also you should know that Ain Remmaneh has its own feature and characteristics.

Sam,
I wanted for sometime to reply to you, but believe me i couldn’t find anything inetresting in what you have said so far.
You are always accusing us of passing our time in propaganda, and you forget who is the king of propaganda.
For all of you Aounists, we are not mentioning Aoun because of a certian hatred, but because of the hatred he brought himself and the attacks he launched on everybody, especially the LF, so we are defending oursleves trying to explain to all people what this mad man really is.
So please spare us your twisted logic, and at least repsect our cause eventhough you don’t agree and try to stop ur hypocricy
10. g_cedar | September 11th, 2008 at 9:56 pm

The LF must get over its civil war era identity and move boldly foward to rejuvenate itself and focus on future goals that will bring this party back to playing an important role within the Christian community and the country. The same could be said of quite a few parties as well, but as long as the leadership behaves as it has in the past and doesn’t allow for changes and reforms, then things will stay as they are today, in a sorry state.
11. sam | September 11th, 2008 at 10:13 pm

Rodge..thank you for giving me some of your time… i enjoy reading somewone comment about me, especially when he use words as twisted logic and hypocracy…
i dont remeber not respecting the cause of anybody here, i do apreciate if you can pinpoint some of these writings to work on improving myself…
by the way i do respect and love aoun.. and he have a debt on me that i will never be able to pay back or forget .. but am not aounist..
best regards
12. Rodge | September 11th, 2008 at 11:05 pm

sam,

I’m confused, and i’m sure the rest of us here are feeling the same.
whaqt do you mean by u’re not Aounist, and u’re talking about that debt, while ein each of ur comments u’re defending Aoun’s ideas and his politics??
So can you enlighten us and tell us about ur thoughts or who do you support, and please don’t tell u’re neutral but you like Aoun or because of a certain debt.
I’m sorry to tell you that u’re not the person u’re trying to show.
why can’t you be clear enough? nothing to afraid of.
13. Mountain | September 11th, 2008 at 11:10 pm

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14. sam | September 11th, 2008 at 11:22 pm

Rodge
am very clear in my previous writings. Even if you had mentioned that there is nothing interesting in what i wrote.. i read a good topic today .. it do express a lot what i feel even though am not cristian
http://www.lebanonfiles.com/makalat_desc.php?id=1336
regards
15. Rodge | September 12th, 2008 at 12:34 am

Sam,

Great article, i was thinking about this issue in the last few days.
But i still didn’t know who do u support?
Is it a secret?
16. sam | September 12th, 2008 at 12:51 am

it is a great article indeed… you know with you cristians weak lebanon will never rise again;) ..
come on my friend, it is clear who i support throughout my writings.. i support those terrosists and criminals the HA .. walawe ?
best regards
17. THERESINIA | September 12th, 2008 at 12:55 am

BASHIR use to have a team of the best educated people in Lebanon (Engineers: Germani, Roger Chemaly, Roger Dib, etc..); Lawyers, Doctors, etc…and the best secretaries and advisors (from all types of professions and workers..). They were also trained to know HOW TO PRESENT THE LEBANESE CAUSE!!!

I would like to add, that this particular JOURNALIST (The Economist being a LEFTIST Magazine) may very well have “translated” some words and sentences as he wishes in order to harm the L.F.
Personally I have no trust at all in the ECONOMIST, and disagree with most of his articles…
18. N10452 | September 12th, 2008 at 1:16 am

Sam,
Give me one forum or site where i can go in and critisize Nasrallah or AOun ( FPM or HA forums)

Waiting.
19. sam | September 12th, 2008 at 1:27 am

ALArabiya. com
20. Rima | September 12th, 2008 at 3:27 am

N

It is obvious that this journalist is biased and that he twisted the conversation so it fits his leftist agenda. Don’t feel Jorsa at all…this journalist is trying to emulate Robert Fisk’s style of reporting the Lebanese war and almost balmed it all on Kataeb and ouwet at that time.
21. Omega | September 12th, 2008 at 3:39 am

sam
i think u are wasting ur time with them.
at the end of the day they will tell u that aoun is bad and they refuse to put hands together because aoun is a pro-syrian and pro-iranian and ma ba3ref shoo. all this simply because aoun is working towards building good relationships with all fractions of the leb community .
please ask them why hezballa was good in 2005 and now it is not good? obviously they won’t have an answer because they say what their hakim tells them to say, and their hakim is doing only what hariri and jombi tell him to do. so they will have to go ask hariri and jombi about why hezballa was good in 2005 and not now .
also, please ask them why did sanyoura give ministers to lahoud in prev gov and not to aoun? wasn’t lahoud a prime suspect of hariri murder? so why would they do anything except giving aoun his rights which are the christians rights at the end of the day.
the answer is obvious : hariri and jombi do not want the christians to get strong in this country . and as u said, without the christians getting well there will be no raise of lebanon.
i can’t understand why they were against doha agreement when this agreement enhanced the christians situation. i can’t understand why they are insulting hezballa while hezballa is backing up our demands to enhance our situation. they do not know who the real terrorists are because they are allying with them indirectly without even knowing where hariri is taking them.
if they think one minute beyond today they will realise what aoun is doing is good for the country and national unity . they will realise that aoun’s tafahom with hezballa prohibited a huge civil war erecting in lebanon recently. they will realise that our national unity is so important today . but their problem is that they do not accept others and they are unlikely to change in the near future. they won’t accept aounists simply because aoun has wider representation than their hakim . to them, this is not acceptable. they know nothing about democracy. they claim to be christians yet their actions prove they have nothing to do with christianity . christianity doesn’t teach hatred.
22. Rima | September 12th, 2008 at 4:40 am

Omega

you are wasting your time as well.You wrote a Jarideh to tell us about the benefits of surrendering to HA. Christians do not need to hide behind Hassan’s abbaya to claim their rights. We want all Lebanese who beleive in democracy and free Lebanon to get their rights as citizens…i don’t care if they are Christians, Muslims or atheists…Aoun is very hypocrite claiming secularism and then talking in a sectarian way.
23. Rima | September 12th, 2008 at 4:53 am

Sam and others

I think we cannot build a modern country if we keep talking in a sectarian way. Let’s have our priorities right: I am first a Lebanese citizen and then anything else. This will work if all Lebanese adopted it not only the Christians.

HA military power and boldness is reviving sectraianism and encouraging all other religions to seek their own militias. According to the Constitution…WE ARE ALL EQUAL BEFORE THE LAW…Let me ask you: are we all equal in Lebanon?

Simply put, Resistance becomes terrorism when its militants use civilians to gain a war, when it adopts terrorit methods, when it invades its own country, and claims its loyality to a foreign country.
24. Delta | September 12th, 2008 at 5:27 am

N what are u waiting for he wont reply he has a dept to aoun end he will be trying to pay it for thenext 100 years man make sure u pay it soon before he goes to hell
25. Kevin | September 12th, 2008 at 5:40 am

i respect N’s self-criticism. That is how people improve themselves, by looking within, and solving their own imperfections. Thats what the Lebanese need to do, question their leaders and themselves, rather than blindly follow. Respect
26. Doc 1559 | September 12th, 2008 at 5:47 am

Kezballah

Bhanik 3la heke jema3 cha3biyeh, hadole hine li kinet 3m bitchid dahrak fiyon bi previous post???

Loll , N10452 jebak jura.. Ya heke community ya bala. Allah y2wikon w y2we lebnen fikon.

Back to your topic, HA didnt burn achrafiyeh . HA didnt destroy its buildings. Ha didnt scream ”al mawtou lil salibiyin”. HA didnt burn tires there. HA didnt attack your business buildings… Not even during the civil war and you can’t denie it. HA/ amal/fpm pulled their guys out of the street after the chayeh/3yn rimeneh shooting.

Ama bikhssus FMP protesting , 2inta chu 2ilak ma3on? hayda ha2on , hayda balad democrateh , fiyon yitzaharo aya se3 badon. bass mich min 7A2K 2INAK TIBA3T ZO3RANAK 3LA AL CHERI3 TO BLOCK THEM .MICH MIN 7A2K T2WISS (OPEN FIRE) 3LAYON. W MICH MIN MASS2OULIYETAK 2INAK TA3MEL POLICE!! walaw an action should not be followed with similar reaction ma hek?? Walla ma fikon lal ba2ra btinta7o al 3ijle , when kinto ya chompionnette laman feto 3laykon jame3it al hariri ??

Wlek ya kezballah 3la min jeye tfaniss , hayda kalemak al 7ilo ya 7ilo ma byimro2 3laye wla 3la chabeb on this blog! Khalass kelna bil hawa sawa…
27. Che | September 12th, 2008 at 7:01 am

The economist correspondent has no credibility! At the bottom of the webpage you find the following:
Correction: Due to an editing error, Michel Aoun was mistakenly identified as Lebanon’s prime minister in an earlier version of this article. That position is held by Fouad Siniora. We regret the error. This article was corrected on September 8th 2008.

Most likely, this correspondent slapped together materials retrieved from the 80’s-90’s (The time Aoun highjacked the government) and touched it up to make it recent. At that time (war time) it was not unusual to carry out such a dialogue with any Lebanese, LF or no LF (“Don’t you think my country has the best girls?”)

What do you expect in war time, tits are the best things, especially Lebanese ones (best ever)!

I think we’re being too critical of ourselves. After all, what’s you point N, do you wish to form an elitist LF. Hell NO! After all, the LF is born out of the miseries of the Christians, which was galvanized by people from all walks of life, women and men who shed their blood so fuckers like me can come here, and you now the rest of the story….
28. Mountain | September 12th, 2008 at 8:41 am

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29. kezballah | September 12th, 2008 at 10:16 am

Ali it looks like I did a nice job on you, you really lost your cool and the mask fell quickly

After this last comment from you it is obvious that you are hopeless to answer, but if you don’t like the Jem3a Sha3biyeh people please remember one thing, this Jem3a is like Harvard to the argileh smoking barbarian invaders you support.

Wlek ya Ali 3ala meen jeyeh titmaskhar
30. kezballah | September 12th, 2008 at 10:27 am

Omega thank you for not wasting your time writing a Jarideh to answer us, I also will ask the Chabeb not to waste their time to answer you with the following replies

1) IT is so obvious Aoun is building good relationships with all factions especially the Sunni the way he insult their leadership day and night, especially the other Christian parties the way he invents mass graves for them and puts them lower than his Zinnar, especially the Druze ETC.. You made me cry about how much he is a good person Aoun Haram.

2) Hezbollah was good in 2005 because we try to work with them, we try to negotiate them in the Dialogue Table until 2006 when they start the war.

3) About Lahoud ask Aoun why he didn’t ask the 70% Christians to overthrow Lahoud from Baabda, when Lahoud is allowed to stay in power you have to work with him to form a government. Aoun was offered ministers by the majority and he said he agree with Hariri on 99% but he refused to participate in the government what do you want us to do for him beg him?

4) We will learn Christianity from Aoun especially forgiveness and morality and politeness and Ethics, but we will wait until the Vatican make him a saint because we need holy oil from his body to be cured.

5) Allah yse3dak
31. kezballah | September 12th, 2008 at 10:29 am

Sorry about the reposts this stupid laptop keeps switching out of the comment to the main page, N Please delete
32. Omega | September 12th, 2008 at 10:46 am

kezballa
1 – aoun tried to make good relations with the sunnies. he met with hariri twice and they nearly made a pact . but hariri pulled out in the last minute. the sunnies (hariri never showed good intentions towards the leader who represents the christians in lebanon. all what they did is try keep him out of power so there is no strong christian in the government.

2 – let me remind u that in 2005 hezballa still had their weapons and their situation has never changed since then. how come their weapon in 2005 was ok and now it is not? don’t bullsh*t me with the dialogue table and all that because hezballa until now never showed intentions of not having a dialogue. it’s ur hakim and his masters who are executing a foreign policy in lebanon which required them to change their minds .

3 – why would u want aoun to ask the 70% christians to remove lahoud? shoo mfakkar aoun bala mekh like ur hakim? markaz el ri2asi howi el mohim . imagine a bunch of ppl can eliminate the president any time . imagine one day a group of alawites or sunnies or shias or druze or aqalliyet feel like taking down the president . remember when 1 million ppl stood near the saraya to force sanyoura to resign? what happened then? the sunnies and their spiritual leaders all stood and said no . wlak even ur hakim started defending sanyoura and his government. just to remind u that even the patriarch said no to lahoud elimination. u should learn how to respect the presidency of ur country.

4 – aoun is a much better practicing christian that u and ur hakim. at least he didn’t murder priests and monseniours and innocent civilians just because they do not share the same opinion with him.

5 – alla yehdeek.
33. Rodge | September 12th, 2008 at 10:48 am

Doc1559

Ya malak el democracy
it is disappointing what you’ve said in ur #26
“Ama bikhssus FMP protesting , 2inta chu 2ilak ma3on?”
how can you consider what u said as the right thing? how u consider people who block the streets and forbid people from passing and going to their works or homes etc… how do u concider this as a free action??
how can u be free when u take others freedom??
u’re free to protest yes, but u’re not free to force others to do the same. so facing this action, the reaction should be much violent.
look at ur poeople how they’ve reacted against the 2 famous decisins of the government.
You have serious issue with identifying democracy and freedom ya Ali, and i’m really not surprised that u’re leaving the US and coming back to Lebanon. real Democracy doesn’t fit you at all, maybe Hizb democracy can work better for you
34. Rima | September 12th, 2008 at 11:09 am

Rodge

They use democracy to wreack democracy…
35. rambo | September 12th, 2008 at 11:10 am

yali 3indo antoinette geagea then the rest is ok ….
36. Rima | September 12th, 2008 at 11:12 am

N

Sorry to offend you, I love your posts but sometimes you criticize for the sake of criticizing…You don’t need to do that to prove your democratic values sometimes bitzidda
37. kezballah | September 12th, 2008 at 11:39 am

Omega, I don’t bullsh*t you or Ali or anyone else it is not my style and I don’t need to do it, I am in a fight for my life with you so I am not trying to convince you of anything, I am exposing the errors in what you sayd and I am trying to convince the neutral people and to stand on the side of the people who share my beliefs. I am not the one on the Tayyar forum, you are the one who comes here and I think you need to explain to yourself why you are here? Are you here to convince us of your great politics by telling us we are stupid and criminals? Are you here with an open mind to learn the other side of the story by opposing everything we say as wrong? Are you just having fun in a childish way?

I love to see neutrals and opponents on this forum I don’t need this blog to talk to other LFers I can do it offline, but your participation doesn’t make sense to me, but I hope you stay and I will keep trying to understand you.
38. Rima | September 12th, 2008 at 11:44 am

Kizballah

Not everyone can talk to LFers or other pro-Lebanon offline…so in my case, your contribution to this post is very beneficial because it is much more real than well polished news…
39. N10452 | September 12th, 2008 at 11:54 am

Rima,
Thank u for ur comment but care to tell me wen zedta in this post ??

Do u know how embarassing this is to read ??? specially when we used to do our best to make our image better in the media and not let any person speak in our name …

Do u know how many people read this magazine ??

I never needed to prove anything thank God ba3den, my work speaks for itself
40. Omega | September 12th, 2008 at 11:54 am

kezballa bala te3seeb please. imsik a3sabak .
i don’t need to explain to anyone why i am here but i will do u a favour and rayye7ak . i am here for a bit of fun and a laugh . i come here to laugh at ur comments . i am not here to convince u of anything. in fact, i am really happy with the fact that we share different opinions. the existance of ppl like u make my case stronger and easier at the same time. thanks for helping us we owe u.

rima … the reason why he can’t talk to lfers offline is because they simply do not exist . baddik tfatshi 3layoun bel fteeli wil srej .

wahhhaaahhhahahhahahahhaaaaaaaaaaaaaaahhahaha.
41. Omega | September 12th, 2008 at 11:55 am

lol kezballa ana bhanneek bi N as ur proposed leader.
42. THERESINIA | September 12th, 2008 at 12:14 pm

To my friends the AOUNIS,
To (especially) Dear OMEGA who never answered my posts,

I have one tiny “little” question on AOUN:

Mr General of Rabiyeh said 1 million times that he hates corruption and corrupted people. OK?
So tell me WHY did he go last week to sit with ISAM FARES (multimillionaire +++ corrputed ++++syrian agent ++++)…with 3 days meetings on his super luxury YACHT and staying in one of the most expensive SUITES in the world ….
As you may know (or NOT know) the Yacht of Isam FARES was in the ST GEORGES bay the minute of the explosion that killed HARIRI (with whom on board??? with Jamil Al Sayyed???). One hour later, Isam Fares was on his personal plane running away from Lebanon.

So my Dear Friend, in case you want to answer (this time), and don’t tell me that Gemayel used to sit with Isam Fares, and Jombi also, etc.. TELL ME HOW COME the General of Rabiyeh is NOW friendly with corrupted (and more +++) people!!!!

and WHY ? and WHY? and WHY?
43. kezballah | September 12th, 2008 at 12:38 pm

Theresina don’t waste your time Omega at least honestly said he is here to have fun not to learn anything. It is OK to have fun I hope he will make me laugh shi marra bi hal 3emer But I think you will not get answers from someone who just want to have fun even if the question is very small.

Omega I don’t know why you said ana m3assib I am not but thank you for worrying about my health Now I have to go get a fteeli and srej to go look for some LFers offline
44. Silvana | September 12th, 2008 at 12:50 pm

By Omega :

“i don’t need to explain to anyone why i am here but i will do u a favour and rayye7ak . i am here for a bit of fun and a laugh .”

You keep repeating that, are you trying to convince yourself more than others?… Also your posts do not seem to convey the air that you are enjoying yourself, more bitter and childish than having fun. Why would a grown person come online to make fun of people unless he has an issue with them and his personality?… Keep insulting ya Omega, all that does is give testament to your own character, we all know our words and actions speak for our character not that of the others we address.

It would be more believable if you admit that you are affected by what is posted here and stop using the ” I’m here to laugh”, because a person who does not care will not post tens of comments a day.

cheers
45. Silvana | September 12th, 2008 at 12:58 pm

As for the article, it is quite embarrassing the way the author depicted the fact that Ghosn kept contradicting himself, and the fact that he would be “laughing about how he doesn’t like the dirty, stupid,smelly Shia Muslims who live over the road.” . A party spokesman is supposed to be articulate and portray as positively as possible not utter ridiculous and derogatory statements.

I mean imagine Omega as a spokesman for the FPM HAHA
46. Silvana | September 12th, 2008 at 1:01 pm

* portray IT as positively
47. sam | September 12th, 2008 at 1:03 pm

theresinia
Fares is another lebanese who have his political weight in the north.. i am not the one to judge wether he is corrupted or not.. but we cannot bann or isolate ourselves from all those so called corrupted people.. did you know that our government made a special law for harriri heritants to prevent them from paying the heritance tax to our country of 3 Billion dollars.. would that make stop sitting or living with harriri .. this is lebanon.. we need to try to fix it .. but slowly other wise a new war will explode…

and please allow me to remind your that the international investigation community had ask to free jamil al sayyed.. there is not a single proof that he is responsible in any way..he is in prison because we are an unhuman country .. even though we call for peace and love…

and if you look at some of the comments here by the so full of love people you will find some of them sicker then worst murderers…

with all my respect
best regards
48. Rasheed | September 12th, 2008 at 1:55 pm

Sam #46:

Laws in Lebanon are passed by Parliament, and are published in the Official Journal (jarideh rasmiyeh). Would you care to provide a reliable reference to the law you refer to?

Thank you.
49. Rasheed | September 12th, 2008 at 2:00 pm

On the question of image of the LF: What do people think of the media strategy of the LF, and in particular its official website?
50. sam | September 12th, 2008 at 2:08 pm

rasheed
it was clearly mentioned at that time in news papers .. there were many decisions in the government that time related to harriri..but every body was crying al shaheed no one talked about it..
trust me.. you would have known if around 3 billion dollars entered our treasury ( the amount due for his fortune worth of around 18 billion ( even though he declaired having around 5 billion ) …
51. Rasheed | September 12th, 2008 at 2:10 pm

Sam, give me one reference, please.
52. sam | September 12th, 2008 at 2:48 pm

rasheed .. i will try to get access and search the old news papers .. but this law came with several others including naming the airport as R.H, the beirut hospital as R.H hospital and many other things , till Ziad Rahbani clalled it Jamhouriyat al Dareeh.. ya3ni we were expecting beirut to change its name.. but i promiss you i will try to search for few links ..
regards
53. sam | September 12th, 2008 at 3:07 pm

rasheed.. a quick search need such clarification…there is few reports talking about the subject,.. the ministry of finance ( which is controlled by harriri) denied the issue.. but did not provide any report to show that they have paid any money or the amount paid..
best regards
54. Fuziyad | September 12th, 2008 at 3:12 pm

sam, kifa ostrade hadi nasrallah??
55. Rasheed | September 12th, 2008 at 3:27 pm

Sam: Laws and decrees are published in the Official Journal; you, I, and anyone else, including the media have access to this publication.

You mention Ziad Rahbani, and “few reports”… as your source. I rest my case.

PS: The airport was named in 2005 by the Mikati government. The minister of finance at the time was Demianos Kattar.
56. sam | September 12th, 2008 at 3:29 pm

you know better then that khaye fuziad am not against honoring our martyrs .. am against using their bloods for all type of reasons .. arent you?
Have you seen this nice monument 3al sain george with two body guards to protect it hay mahadan sabaoun 3aleya …
are things clearer for you now regarding yesterdays assacination …
best regards
57. sam | September 12th, 2008 at 3:37 pm

rasheed.. the reports talking about the money paid are dated end of 2006.. that is when harriri made their financing clearance…bass regardless of politics..do you really believe 3 billion dollars entered our treasury? honestly…
58. Rasheed | September 12th, 2008 at 3:41 pm

Sam: With all due respect, don’t answer me with a question…. you said that a “special law” was passed, but now you’re trying to avoid eating your own words. Sahtein anyway.
59. sam | September 12th, 2008 at 3:49 pm

Rasheed.. i was wrong.. there was no special law.. my memory wasnt very accurate.. after rechecking it turned out that there were plans to issue that law, and when media start talking about it , the ministry of finance issued a statement saying there is no such a law to be issued and hariri cleared everything .. but they givent any fiancial statement about the matter..
but these are all details.. the serious question was , do you really think they paid the 3 billion dollars?
and believe me my friend ,,. sahtain 3a alibni kilna.. khazoouk harzein…( sorry for the word)
best reagards
60. Rasheed | September 12th, 2008 at 4:09 pm

Sam: You may want to call New TV and ask there.
61. Delta | September 12th, 2008 at 4:28 pm

rasheed hahahahahahahahahahahahahaahahahahahaha
62. sam | September 12th, 2008 at 4:29 pm

rasheed.. forget politics, forget everything.. i repsect you and respect your logic.. and seriously i believe corruption is very deep in our society .. from berri to harriri….. but seriously, do you really believe the 3 bellion entered our treasury? did harriri family payed what is really due on them? i dont.. and i have a clear conscious regarding the matter…
best regards
63. Fuziyad | September 12th, 2008 at 4:39 pm

Sam, is there bodyguards protecting it? sounds stupid to me but of course I wouldn’t bet that if not protected it won’t risk some agression from the mabylette boys…

Concerning the assasination, after a bit of brainstorming I made up my mind…

Aridi is probably among those who gave the green light to the democratic party boys to shoot at the hizzy invadords back in may. May be he’s even related to the ones yallé twafa2o bi ebno la naim gassem(guess you know the story,, the b7, the car and the massacre that followed)

So basically I think that just as for ALL the other assasinations in leb, HA is behind with or without a syrian greenlight…
64. sam | September 12th, 2008 at 5:02 pm

Fuziad, there is inded two body guard. and at the begining they were wearing suits and ties.. but as it got really hot they rmoved the jackets.. and of course during 7 march they ran away and no body did anything against the monument.. they are back now, just pass by .. they will make you smile \;)

i will give you some more information to help you in your brain storming.. the assascinated man was | modeer al irtibat” with HA … actually he was in iftar in Mat3am al saha with HA that evening … he had excellent relation with them and he was responsible for enhancing the relation between HA and jumblat.. you need to see how much HA were annoyed regarding the accident ( so you can be happy guys for that )

best regards my friend
65. THERESINIA | September 12th, 2008 at 7:28 pm

Dear SAM,

I am not the one who said I am against corruption and corrupted people: it is the General of Rabiyeh!
When in Paris AOUN used to say that Elias El MURR – as one of the most corrupted person – “MUST DIE IN PRISON”…

He also thought the same about ISAM FARES whom he also accused of being the valet of Syria and of LAHOUD!!!

As you can witness: in Paris AOUN was against corrupted people BUT now the General of Rabiyeh has no problems in becoming friendly with those same people.

That is ALL I am saying. What made AOUN change to become the General of Rabiyeh???
66. sam | September 12th, 2008 at 7:33 pm

Dear Theresinia ..he is adapting to lebanin and simply using your logic.. lebanon is lebanon.. we either try to go to war among each others or try to change.. and change need time…
67. THERESINIA | September 12th, 2008 at 7:41 pm

Dear SAM,

Do you often change your principles? Do you often change your values? Do you often change your belief-value system?
68. THERESINIA | September 12th, 2008 at 7:43 pm

Dear SAM,

…and why is the General of Rabiyeh wants to judge Hariri and forgive the other corrupted people (that he himself accused previously)???
69. THERESINIA | September 12th, 2008 at 7:46 pm

Dear SAM,

… and why is this same General (Christian) – who according to you is wanting to forgive and forget – creating AT THE SAME TIME the worst HATRED that ever existed among Christians in our whole History?…
70. THERESINIA | September 12th, 2008 at 7:49 pm

Dear SAM,

… you have “WISHFUL THINKING” about the General of Rabiyeh… I accuse him of being a LIAR and a DISHONEST person…
71. Fuziyad | September 12th, 2008 at 7:53 pm

thanks for the good news sam…syria and HA are now killing each other.

have a good week end, am off drinking!!
72. THERESINIA | September 12th, 2008 at 7:53 pm

Dear SAM,

…in order NOT to go to WAR and have “some future” for our kids, we need FIRST some HONEST people, who KEEP their word, who say what they think, and do what they say….
Best regards,
73. THERESINIA | September 12th, 2008 at 8:10 pm

Dear OMEGA,

One day … when you will open your eyes and learn who exactly is the General of Rabiyeh, I hope you won’t hate him for ABUSING YOUR INNOCENCE.

Sincerely,
74. N10452 | September 12th, 2008 at 8:36 pm

Omega,
I repeat and for the last time, if you cannot lead a serious argument and reply responsibly, i will ban you from writing.

And dont reply to me with ur idiotic laughs, everyone is welcome here to discuss, but do it with respect and some seriouness ..

If you pretend to be that knowledgeable and so full of yourself, prove it objectively … bala 7ake bala ta3me.

THank you.
75. Omega | September 13th, 2008 at 12:53 pm

N
i have no time for u .
if u want to be a leader u can be a leader for kezballa and theresina and rima but not for me.
practice ur leadership on someone else.
why is it that u are concentrating on my comments and u are waiting to ban me? if u want to ban me fine go ahead as if i care . khayi i have a life and trust me if u ban me it wouldn’t be a loss for me . i will find another ewet site to have fun and laugh at their childish thinking. and i will praise the lord for sending us such stup*d opponents who make us stronger with no real effort.
tesba7 3ala khayr.
by the way, u can not ban me from entering this site.
76. N10452 | September 13th, 2008 at 3:14 pm

Omega,
I have no time for you too, all ur comments will be deleted if ever cleared and you will be put under moderation as soon as you post.

I tried gently many times to ask you to behave in ur comments but since its a big waste of time, stop posting wou leave this blog alone .. because i wont allow spam in here.
77. Doc 1559 | September 14th, 2008 at 12:53 am

Rodge/kezballah

Bitkun majnun ya kezballah iza mfakarne ra7 kasser 3tebto lal blog. Max 5 mn 3la al sari3 comment , i dont have to explain anything to you ya sa7be. Your case is hopeless and far away from reality. You’re living the same old dream , and you’re not going to get anywere. I am not an analyzer and i dont have to be. de2 al may , may ma3kon w felij la ta3lej as well. Badak tcheri3 HA rou7 la 3indon w cheri3on , i dont have all the answers for you ya sa7be. I know when to get serious and when to shut up and dont say a word , but you dont , samalah 3lek, bikell chi bta3ref. Allah yi7mik la ahlak…

Rodge

I thought you were on vacation!!! I guess you cant leave this blog for more than 24 hrs!!

Welome back anyway, you’re one of the top guys here

The right to protest and peacefully address the corruption is one of our every day right(just like eating and drinking”. This is why I said ”chu 2ilak ma3on”. You have all the right to protest ya rodge and I respect that. But this doesnt mean that I have to go down the street and kick your as& !!

A governement that cannot tolerate the dissent of its citizens is a terrible burden upon freedom and democracy (sanioura’s gov and the 50+ 1 political math). Protest was vital in the founding of this country . The current gang gov of sanioura and thugs has manipulated the Lebanese mind to view protest as something unnatural and illegal. Bass hamdella ma tolo3lkon khibez w feto bil 7et. yalla bala kitrit 7ake and go enjoy your vaca..

One last thing, I am going back to lebanon cuz I love lebanon. This is the different between your ppl and my PPl, WE LOVE OUR country and we go back to it. We buy houses there and we invest for the future . On the other hand , you guys ….. you know the rest ya rodge , i dont wanna be offensive….

PS: lebnen bi arafo 7ilo.
78. Rima | September 15th, 2008 at 2:52 am

Doc
yaani maaleich since when el tibssita bi amleik el dawleh is considered civilised demonstartion…you go back to Lebanon that your people trashed and wreaked ….yihneilak hal balad…arrogant Basta****
79. nora | September 17th, 2008 at 11:09 am

jorsa ma3 chweyit maskhara…

btw to this “Omega” thingy; min 2arik dear?