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Honestly, i never thought such a day would come, but listening to Hakim’s interview on Egyptian TV spoiled my whole day if not whole week …

It seriously felt like listening to a dhimmist … ma 3am saddi2 li sme3to :S

Geagea on Egyptian TV

Here are few excerpts which i wont comment on before they speak for themselves ..

On Hezbollah:

“They are honorable fighters, with a cause. But unfortunatelly, their cause has nothing to do with Lebanon”

“There were unfortunatelly ties between the Lebanese Forces & Israel”

“Christians collaborated with Al Fat7 el Islami against the byzantine regime ???? WTF ??”

“There is absolutely no reason to collaborate with Israel”

“It was a mistake”

“I respect everything Hezbollah has done, from the beginning till now”

And to top it all :
“Disarming Hezbollah is the transferring of the STRATEGIC-DECISION Making”

Is this Samir Geagea talking ?? or a Christian Dhimmist ?? or converted Sheikh Samir Ben Geagea ?

We dont play with a cause, with martyrs, with our history …
This is unacceptable … totally unacceptable ..

Whomever is gonna jump on me cause i am attacking Geagea better have some really good explanation !

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Posted by N10452 on 11.21.08 @ 12:47 am | 125 Comments

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1. danny | November 21st, 2008 at 1:16 am

N,

Which part has agitated you most?
a. “They are honorable fighters, with a cause. But unfortunatelly, their cause has nothing to do with Lebanon”

??? what’s wrong with that? They have proven to be good fighters…also their cause is directly related to Persia as much is their command is strucured similarly. Mind you i would not call them honorable!

b.”There were unfortunatelly ties between the Lebanese Forces & Israel”

??OK. He is right the Israelis have proven his point. They are bunch of slimey assholes who just care about what’s good for them ONLY…

c:”“Disarming Hezbollah is the transferring of the STRATEGIC-DECISION Making”

How else do you want to elaborate it? It is better then saying we will kill them all and let God sort them out!!!
That’s very politically astute way of framing the HA arms issue!

d:”“I respect everything Hezbollah has done, from the beginning till now”…

I have not listened to the interview. However, I hope you are quoting within context. If so, then DSG is dead wrong! HA invaded and conquered downtown Beirut as well as May 7th…So at least he sounds like a LIAR if he uttered those words in that context!!

I can feel a heated debate coming…I’m going out with the guys for a few drinks…Let the debate commence!
2. N10452 | November 21st, 2008 at 1:20 am

Danny,
He is wrong wrong wrong !!
We dont have to apologize or regret working with the Israelis .. we never allied to them !

ba3den the christians allied with fateh el islami is just unacceptable !!!
3. danny | November 21st, 2008 at 1:30 am

N,

Chill brother. He is talking about the Napoleonic conquests and Byzantine Empire. You know he was not talking about Shaker el absi man!!!

In historical context he is right. The Christians of Syria and Lebanon were treated fairly by the Muslim invaders…
4. N10452 | November 21st, 2008 at 1:35 am

Wlik 2ekht true ya danny,
Bicharafak ya zalame ma tjannenne !!

The Church split min wara Byzantine practices … ma sorna muslims because of it or assisted muslims against it …

thats such a lame argument and historic fact .. wou the napoleon example is also veryyyyy veryyyy badly placed !!!
5. Rima | November 21st, 2008 at 1:49 am

N

Yeah I am not impressed with his statement! tfeh sahih!
6. Rima | November 21st, 2008 at 2:03 am

Doc

This will tell you that we don’t follow people but a cause. I think SG is trying to be pragmatic and to gain Arab popularity by reinventing himself. He is trying to ally himself with the Arabs against the Iranians coz the Arabs(i.e egypt, Saudi Arabia) are now pro-Lebanon unlike Iran. That is the whole story. It is not a bad move but I am still not impressed by his positive speech on HA. I am not like Orangists and yellowists who blindly follow their leaders.
7. Doc 1559 | November 21st, 2008 at 2:04 am

Ja3far

Few days ago I quoted you : 7AKIM IS IMPROVING FOR THE GOOD and things are going to change… here we go !

chabeb… when the leadership is right and the time is right, the people can always be counted upon to follow to the end and at all costs…you either follow your leader DOC SAMIR GEAGEA or quit right calling yourself ouwet.

The guy is showing a good face now days and I really dont know what’s behind that. Leadership is action not only position, and to be honest with you, DSG is taking the right action if he really meant what he said.

As for now, W CHAHIDA CHAHIDUN MIN AHLEH… Per 7akim : I respect everything Hezbollah has done, from the beginning till now” WLEKK eh, yesslam timak. For the first time in my life i am going to say : THANK YOU 7AKIM!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Now, who’s the terrorist from now on guys?
8. Doc 1559 | November 21st, 2008 at 2:10 am

Rima

plz review your post b4 and stop contradicting yourslef. This is now what you were talking about few hrs ago….

Wake up this is SG saying that…
9. Doc 1559 | November 21st, 2008 at 2:12 am

This is not what you were talking about few hours ago**** , im sorry im chating , feeding my son and talking on the phone…

Tawle belik 3layeh..
10. cedrik | November 21st, 2008 at 2:16 am

dude seriously you can’t just take comments out of their context. you need to listen to the interview as a whole
11. Rima | November 21st, 2008 at 2:19 am

Doc

I am not contradicting myself at all. I explained his ulterior motives and I did say that I am disgusted by his positive statement on HA. I totally agree with N’s criticism he is an insider and he knows the man 3am bi khabiss….guys we are not slave to leaders they can change their political statements all day long but we should vote them out…Hell with them. Go N Go!
12. danny | November 21st, 2008 at 2:21 am

Hakim Jr.

HA are terrorist! nothing changes because DSG made a mistake ignoring at least the past two years of hooliganizm and total terror imposed on Lebanon and Lebanese by these ass farts!!

As for you ignoring Hakim’s comment:”…. But unfortunatelly, their cause has nothing to do with Lebanon”

His assertion was that you follow your caliph khamaeini in Persia you dumb jackass…and you do not give a shit about lebanon!!!ONLY UMMA!!! You still think he is changing to your liking?
13. danny | November 21st, 2008 at 2:24 am

Rima,

He only erred with respect to HA!!
He is free to put things in historical contexts.

We cannot attack him for his simple comparisons to Napoleonic and Byzatine times…
14. LF Forever | November 21st, 2008 at 2:28 am

Ya 3ayne rabbou chou zake.
Wla N. T3alam el zaka w 3ash 3amel helak mouhalel seyaseh. Dakhlak chou met3alam enta, biology?
15. Doc 1559 | November 21st, 2008 at 2:31 am

Danny

Watch your language ! You’re losing it under the pressure , hamdella DSG proved you wrong , again Ha are proud to be followers of wilayet al fakikh so you’re not making any sense here. You never do anyway .. Ya poor danny , how can they be terrorists and honorable fighters, with a cause????????????? Wlek chu 7mar inta??? chu bekkk??? ma kun 3m daye3 wa2yeh ma3 wled ana , adesh amrak ya danny?

Cedrik

How can you explain 5:57 / 4:16/ 1:24 and 1:06
during the interview???????
16. Rima | November 21st, 2008 at 2:33 am

Danny
“I respect everything Hezbollah has done, from the beginning till now”

How do you explain that? No wonder Doc is praising him Shame!!!!

I think khabass ktiir ktiir !!!!
17. Doc 1559 | November 21st, 2008 at 2:39 am

Rima

You voted them in and you have been doint it for the past 30 yrs… PLZ!! I am not saying you’re a slave 7acheke ya rima ..

2ino dont you think 7akim has learned his lesson ? dont you think 11 years in the slammer were long enough for him to say what he said during this interview ? They guy is being honest and I respect that.

Also, hell ya , you are contridicting yourself, 7akim doesnt need to make freinds with the arabs.. since when ouwet beleive in the arabic nation to begin with ? . they(arabs) were the first ones to have 7akim as a second class politician at the daw7a agreement.. therefore he should not be making freinds with them.. which i doint beleive he is doing….
18. danny | November 21st, 2008 at 2:41 am

Rima,

PLEASE READ #1…

I think you are getting Doc’s desease!

Here’s what is said:
d:”“I respect everything Hezbollah has done, from the beginning till now”…

I have not listened to the interview. However, I hope you are quoting within context. If so, then DSG is dead wrong! HA invaded and conquered downtown Beirut as well as May 7th…So at least he sounds like a LIAR if he uttered those words in that context!!
19. Doc 1559 | November 21st, 2008 at 2:47 am

LF forever

Bala te7lilak al fadeh , chu jablak te7lilak al siyesseh 3la mada 30 sinneh??

Learning makes the wise wiser and the fool more foolish. Again, I think 7akim is improving(learning) and I also think AG will do the same. Anyway, AG has done it b4 , he always supported HA durind the Syrian time in lebanon…

So why not again ? History will repeat itslef.. i think..
20. Rima | November 21st, 2008 at 2:48 am

Doc

I never voted in Lebanon for anyone!!!!

Pragmatically speaking it is ok to have alliances with old foes to save your country!!!!! not to serve persia

Danny

I read your post #1 I think you answered my question there regarding SG’s positive comment on HA

Cheers
21. Doc 1559 | November 21st, 2008 at 2:51 am

Danny

I’ll not talk to you till you calm down .. chu balachet bi rima kamen ?? Now ana irhabi ? lool , You’re a man without any nice qualities, as far as I can tell..

Akalta ya danny akalta , Brotherly advice : GO Sit down and relax ..
22. Rima | November 21st, 2008 at 2:51 am

Danny

Be careful! don’t attack me I just did not read post 1 before asking my question!
23. Doc 1559 | November 21st, 2008 at 2:59 am

You know what danny , I think you took this debate to a very low level of yours!! ya3ne badak tkhani2ne w tkhani2 rima and N10452 ?? wloo you never wrong??

It is my fault anyway, I should be carefull debating kid next time..

Yalla the blog is all yours, run the show…

Good night rima …
24. danny | November 21st, 2008 at 3:01 am

Rima,

I did not attack. I assumed you read my comments; otherwise why ask me that question? regardless…It was just a comment.

Cheers

Doc,

As you tried to attack me on #15 with your stupid comments…I answered… I am still waiting to hear whether you can read AND COMPREHEND??
25. danny | November 21st, 2008 at 3:16 am

Guys,

The funny part about this is that no one is trying to read the comments. I basically explained my points of view in #1….

Rima, sorry for lashing out.

Doc,

after reading your comments directed at me #15 (as well as previous posts)…Who is the LOW person…Spare me your stupid comments. You call people names then make sexual innuendos with others and consider yourself an “intellect”…

If you can answer or rebutt with logic and common sense then go ahead. Otherwise just shut the f%%%k up.

Again if you can, read my answer at #1 and try to rebutt(as hard as it might be…I’ll give you a few hours to consult a few people LOL)

I just called you what the whole world knows :Terrorists!
26. Maximus | November 21st, 2008 at 3:46 am

Danny #3
Lah Lah.
Geagea is right on this point, oriental christians, those who were not catholics, “orthodox” but not byzantine, in which they saw the greek empire, saw the arabs as liberators. But THAT WAS NOT THE CASE OF THE MARONITES who, came to the lebanese moutains to fix themselves there because of the arabs conquesti of the entire region. The arabs occupied all the region until the actual turkish forntiers, BUT NOT THE LEBANESE MOUNTAINS, thats why the christians in Lebanon perserved theur identity and their freedom during all these centuries, contrary to all the other christians in the middle-east.
27. Rima | November 21st, 2008 at 4:28 am

Maximus

Right. To prove your point let me remind you that the kawmiyeh arabiey(Arab nationalism) represented by the kawmiyeh was founded by Orthodox. I am Orthodox but do not approve of such a political affiliation. I think the maronites represent me more than the Orhodox.
28. Rima | November 21st, 2008 at 4:30 am

Maximus I still think that Geagea should much more careful in his interview and elaborate more on his ideas…History talk is a minefield!!!
29. hochoz | November 21st, 2008 at 4:40 am

Guys, I just finished watching the interview, and sincerely, i gotta admit that N10452’s claim is biased…. All these arguments are taken randomly….changing the whole context…if u watch carefully the interview.. u’d realise that Dr. Samir Geagea didn’t even make the slightest compromise regarding our beliefs…
30. elie | November 21st, 2008 at 4:41 am

i don’t know what SG was thinking when he said “Christians collaborated with Al Fat7 el Islami against the byzantine regime”
first it was the byzantine empire not “regime”
and everybody know the famous ” aslim taslam”
some christians became muslims to save their lives from these barbaric invaders..but we , the christians of lebanon , kept our faith for centuries even when the muslims where at the doors of vienna….and in the heart of spain.

SG is from bcharre on of the villages that the maronites lived in and defended for centuries against the muslims …he should know better than that…i hope he apologises for all the LFers for what he said.
31. Ra'fat | November 21st, 2008 at 5:41 am

I follow a cause and never people, this interview is one reason why.
32. Rima | November 21st, 2008 at 5:52 am

elie

you are right. SG sounded like a fool coz he was not well informed about the issue and honestly reminded me of Aoun’s BS…I wonder why he stooped to that level. If I was him I would ask a well known historian to brief me on the matter before going public and talking as if he is chatting with his friends…
33. Ra'fat | November 21st, 2008 at 6:18 am

Bi saraha I lost it once the guy doing the interview made a comment that it was better to die with honor than ally with Israel as samir was defending the LF alliance. How dare he say that, so the Palestinians raping our country was honorable? I would like to see his house burnt and his family killed and them have him give such phrases on honor, man el 7aki wil tinzir shou hayyen. How could SG even bother justify our actions to this piece of arab filth, an arab preaching about honor, and an Egyptian too, man what a joke. Last time I checked they signed peace with Isreal, where is their honor there, man I really can’t stand this mahzaleh. SG was on the defensive, apologetic and looked very weak. I am very disappointed with the way he carried himself, we should be proud of our history, actually our mistake is that we did not do enough. Bashir should have gotten rid of every PLO rat when he had the chance, but instead he looked to the arabs. We did what we had to do to survive, and we did survive and that is the end of it. Yalli ma 3ajbou 3imrou ma yi3ijbou… ye3ni 3ayb the head of the LF ye7ki hek, wlik ******************
34. Rambo | November 21st, 2008 at 6:34 am

Sheilh Samir Geagea al Dhimmi el Maarabi zalamit dollar Saadoun ibn el Hariri quraytimi.
35. Che | November 21st, 2008 at 7:03 am

Beauty is in the eye of the beholder. Here are some excerpts that are STRONG statements against Hezbollah:

“I am not accusing them (HA) of collaborating with Iran. I am accusing them of something MUCH WORSE. The members of Hezbollah do not perceive Lebanon as their nation.” Indirectly, Geagea classified Hezbollah as #1 enemy of Lebanon. He asserted “THEIR CAUSE HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH OUR VIEW OF LEBANON.”

Geagea is being astute, i.e., if one has to strike a dog, then one must use the same strength as if trying to kill a tiger. Hezbollah is the #1 enemy of Lebanon, but we shouldn’t underestimate their strengths. When time comes, the LF will not spare Hezbollah!

There is no question, Geagea was swaggering in this interview, “one strike on the nail and one strike of the thumb.” In this interview, however, he seemed to have hit the thumb quite often. At the end, it’s easy to misjudge based on an interview posted on the web in bits and pieces. All in all Geagea has been consistently advocating a just cause.
36. george | November 21st, 2008 at 7:20 am

SG or achmed the dead terrorist even if he is son of a b…he is our son of a b….
Rima and Danny what do you want SG to say silence or I kill you?
Yeah historically Christians supported Muslims invaders and yeah believe it or not at that time Muslims option was the good one.
and again yeah I am not proud of being part of
Israeli’s allies too not because we did not need it indeed but because they turned up to be the biggest a**holes of all. Do not mind me saying that and again I am one of your admirers and all your comments (not today) you got it all wrong this time.Rima I am Orthodox as well and I represent myself and proud to be.
37. Rima | November 21st, 2008 at 7:22 am

SG could also be demoralised by the West attitude towards Syria and by the new US elections…We are somehow left alone except for the Arab support…It is just now that the Arabs realised how stupid they were by creating a shiaa monster in Lebanon in the name of moukawama…that tells you that persians are way smarter than Arabs!!

Ra2fat good point regarding Egypt signing a peace treaty with Isreal…what about the Oslo Accord…are we plus roi que le roi!
38. george | November 21st, 2008 at 7:22 am

Even the Pope apologized to the Orthodox of the East about what happened during the Crusades and how they abondaned us.
39. george | November 21st, 2008 at 7:23 am

* abandoned
40. george | November 21st, 2008 at 7:34 am

Che
hats off for you mate.
unlike Rambo above your comments your articulate thoughts supersedes them noticeably.
41. fad14 | November 21st, 2008 at 11:05 am

Hizbulla remains terrorist and Iranian puppets and without a respectable cause or respectable leadership or respectable members or supporters or allies.

Geagea or Hariri or jumblatt can change

WE WON’T

We believe in our country and Hizbulla remains a cancer.

Aoun is just a flu.
42. INCO | November 21st, 2008 at 11:05 am

WLEK NO WAY ENNNO SG SAID I RESPECT EVERYTHING HEZBOLLAH DID… NO WAY, IT’S NOT LOGICAL IT’S NOT HIM… DONT BE STUPID…IT’S TAKEN OUT OF CONTEXT OR HE DIDNT SAY IT AT ALL CUZ IT MAKES NO SENSE AND HE’S SAYING JUST THE OPPOSITE EVERYDAY.
43. N10452 | November 21st, 2008 at 11:58 am

Ya INCO,
7attaytellak a link to the video … chou 3am bekhteri3 min 3ande ???

Its not out of context .. and this “I respect everything HA did” is nothing compared to the strategic-decision making comment ..
44. N10452 | November 21st, 2008 at 12:00 pm

Che,
There is one thing u seem to ignore in ur argument … one does not play with principles and a cause … you can play with politics but not with core issues such as those ones … mich ma2boul ..

Hayda mich tazeke hayde 2ellit 2i7tiram lal chouhada wou lal 2adiyye ..
45. Dany | November 21st, 2008 at 12:32 pm

I am not an LF supporter (much less a aounist) but I do have a lot of respect to the thought of SG and, on some points, I actually agree with him. (I can disagree and still respect his thought).

In the interview I saw through Memri, cut as it is, it was not difficult to see the point he was making: in different historical contexts, you define otherwise your enemies. The HA say they resist the western evil, but under Sunni rule in the 19th century they saw things in a different light. I guess SG made a point there.

It is painful to see that what my parents strived for, till bloodshed perhaps, their own and that of others, is no longer a sacred cause because of a different historical context. But this is the cost of surviving: thanks to our martyrs, we survived till this day. We might regret earlier foolishness, but we don’t regret having given so much to make today happen. I guess N. is being too harsh: we acknowledge our past, we honor our martyrs, but thanks to them we look forward, not backward.
46. J-T | November 21st, 2008 at 1:15 pm

Ana cheyif 2ino ja3far w doc ra7 yutla3n m3un 7a2 ekhir li nhar…

Danny

Doc 3lam 3lek on this post. You should know better where your leader stands.
47. Rami | November 21st, 2008 at 1:29 pm

Its over, i am withdrawing my support to the L.F…………………………………………………
48. danny | November 21st, 2008 at 2:01 pm

N,

…one more thing after I watched the memri clip…Do you have the whole interview. When someone watches heavily edited interview it can be totally out of context…as we do not know what happened throughout re: other points and rebuttals or completing of a sentence or opinion.

Again, the mistake he made is saying”I respect everything Hezbollah has done, from the beginning till now”

To me that is a LIE. Not politicking but a LIE.

Anyways…J-T what the hell are you talking about? Doc has not been able to refute anything I say. He thinks we are sheep like tayyar and HA crowd and blindly have to follow our leader. We follow principlas and ideals not “ideas”!!

Again, my analysis is on #1. Read it if you have any Qs.
49. N10452 | November 21st, 2008 at 3:16 pm

Honestly Doc 1559, you continue to dissapoint me, even though i am sure you can do better ..

If i critisize Geagea, that doesnt make u look any better inta wou Terrorist Hezbollah

Danny,
I will try to get the full interview, even though i dont believe its needed ..

And again you dont lie in hardcore issues and principles .. u lie on electoral alliances or whatever .. bass hek kezeb (even though i believe its not a lie) is unacceptable ..
50. Rambo | November 21st, 2008 at 4:00 pm

One more time,

Sheikh Samir Geagea al Dhimmi el Maarabi zalamit dollar Saadoun ibn el Hariri quraytimi. Sheikh Saadon Amir Mamlakit al Zalam ….
51. Ali | November 21st, 2008 at 5:11 pm

hehehe ..how did i miss such interview?!! i would have laughed a lot!!
i wonder if Geagea gonna be Jumblat’s new version!!
however, geagea is a hypocrite!! he knows that he cant but to show regret concerning the alliance between israel and LF and to deny any collaboration nowadays with the israelis!!
i really pitty him. he must be in a very weak position to say all that!. and i do agree with Rima. hehe he is trying to be pragmatic and to reinvent himself!! but when we say “reinvent himslef” Rima does it mean that he is ashamed of his PAST?!
heheh it is nice to know that he should compliment hizbullah to gain some popularity!!:D and that he is afraid to declare his real intentions!! i wouldnt follow such leader!!!
and his best statement was:
“Disarming Hezbollah is the transferring of the STRATEGIC-DECISION Making” ..so finally he concluded what general Aoun has anounced long time ago!! what does that prove?!! who is really the mad guy here?! General aoun is much more rational than Geagea is!Aoun knows well how to estimate things !!
52. Tarek | November 21st, 2008 at 5:15 pm

This sucks big time … hope his is a one time blunder …
53. ja3far | November 21st, 2008 at 5:23 pm

N… u are disapointing me man ( that will be a relief for the ones who thought we will become allies ) keep insisting on using the israeli languages against half of the lebanese and you will see on what wall you will end up ..

guys, i worte few days ago , the M14 and M8 finished, they only remain in the mind of only a few… the exagerated marketing and the media compaigns that were based on lies are over… lot of you believed the BS and the lies that were direted toward us .. too bad for you… geagea knows they were lies, he knows that things changed since 2006 so he should be realistic..

to be realistic, HA ARE THE MOST HONOREABLE FIGHTERS WHO STEPPED ON THESE SOLIS SINCE THE BEGINNING OF HISTORY.., our enemies know it better then any one else even more then our allies do..israeli believes nassrollah more then anybody else…live with it..

you want to stic to the narrow lebanese mentality of who will take the bigger size of the cheese, too bad for you… but you will not make any diference…

salam
54. ja3far | November 21st, 2008 at 5:26 pm

* soil
55. Ali | November 21st, 2008 at 5:27 pm

P.S: it is nice to see ppl criticizing their leaders. this is a healthy phenomenon! i congratulate u N! but still, i wonder if what u are fighting for is a real true CAUSE or just illusions!
Rima, we are not blind followers my dear!!:)
we have defined our enemy,we set goals to ourselves, and we are totally aware of the rightful cause that we are fighting for since 1982!! whether u like it or not, we are really awared ppl who cant be deceived so easily..we were blessed by our God who provided us with that amazing thing “the brain” and,thru it, are able to distinguish right from wrong .As we always say:
نحن ابناء الدليل نميل اليه حيث يميل
56. Fuziyad | November 21st, 2008 at 6:51 pm

uff chou hal ja3far el hadari…on which wall you will end!!!

and what is this m14 and m8 are finished?? can you explain? assdak enno u convinced us or we convinced you??

Then keep your MOST HONORABLE fighters since history, how do you define that ya moutawade3??
57. ja3far | November 21st, 2008 at 7:04 pm

fuziad… it is an idiom in arabic saying : bitfout bil heit … bass hadartak didnt teach u arabic so no blame on u
was ny of the team trying to convince the other then?:) a brief of how the M14 and M8 doesnt exist are ( under how tayyar covers)
with the people you are following and consider as leaders of course it will be dificult to understand honor …go look for the meaning of honor in dictionory.. get the best values and ethics from the list and then you will understand who are the HA fighters…

salam
58. Ra'fat | November 21st, 2008 at 7:05 pm

Although I truly hate to admit it, but with the coming elections I think it seems every man for himself throwing ideology out the window. Disgusting, but becoming a reality with every day. Ja3far, I hope you are wrong, but I suspect that you are right. The question becomes, if your leaders are selling out, what are you fighting for? who are you defending? The answer is simple, we fight for a cause, and we stick to the cause, not the individuals. If the LF sells out, who do we have left? Walla Ja3far are you guys taking Christians?
59. Fuziyad | November 21st, 2008 at 7:13 pm

ok Ja3far, one point for my misunderstanding, thought you were refering to the methods of your nazi inspirers.

But then I really didn’t understand the rest of your point…lebanon is a country that had many wars and people who fought for various causes who the hell are you to judge what is more honorable than what?? you had an honorable cause till 2000(with a non honorable hidden agenda) when lebanese land was occupied but since then what is your cause??? funtar? shebaa? the golan? the iranian nuclear bomb or the power to lebanese shiia?? akid kuntar and shebaa won’t foll anyone and the 3 others are not honorable, just the opposite…
60. danny | November 21st, 2008 at 7:17 pm

Ra’fat,

You are reading too much into nothing. Pull yourself together bro! We will win because we believe in freedom!!!Stop listening to unnuendo and rumours…
61. Rodge | November 21st, 2008 at 7:28 pm

I didn’t watch the interview, and I didn’t read aboit it, and frankly I don’t give a damn about hearing or knowing anything about it, since it is an unclear subject.

But for all of you, and especially N, since he’s the one who wrote about the subject, whether you are with or against what DSG said in the interview, Do you want to judge a person based on a single interview he made? Is this politics?
Everyone of you wants top send a message here, and with all respect to you all and to ur ideas and beliefs, it’s not how we judge people, it is not right to judge years of working in politics, and fighting for Lebanon, among them 11 years in prison, by only a single interview which could hold many deliberate messages, so please stop this and let’s all jusge our politicians on their acts and many statements not only one single statement that no one of you watched in full.
62. J-T | November 21st, 2008 at 8:11 pm

Zaman ! SG is a myth…
63. Maximus | November 21st, 2008 at 8:41 pm

Rima
You have an impressive ideological fundamentals…clear… I like it
64. ja3far | November 21st, 2008 at 9:01 pm

fuziad..it is good to admit a mistake; u have to admit it again for the remaining …

the strange is that u lost temper which made u missunderstand the english
no one talked about the political agenda i dont judge like almost every body here does:) we were talking about fighting with honor…

even geagea apologised for the mistakes done by SOME of his fighters during the lebanese war…

we may diferentiate politicaly about 7 may… but i will give u a small example from that time.

have u heard about disrepectful or dishonorable behavior done by the HA fighters in beirut? even after the mustaqbal thugs distroyed and burned shia houses and shops in the north did they react in a bad way? even when the 12 kaomi were killed brutally by the mustaqbal thugs , ( they were followed to the hospitals and killed there) .. did u hear about any reaction?the prisoners taken from the north were fed and given to the army to be taken back home..

in the mountain , two men were kidnapped from the bus in the way to beirut and cut into pieces and thrown in garbage bags in a very brutal way… the HA fighters took tens of ichtiraki prisoners.. did you hear about any dishonorable reaction?

khaye you may agree with these people ideology and politically.. but when it comes to honor these people are the meaning of honor…

salam
65. ja3far | November 21st, 2008 at 9:04 pm

rafat.. lebanon is in need for all of us .. one hand cannot do it alone
salma
66. Fuziyad | November 21st, 2008 at 9:34 pm

While talking honor I thought you would avoid the may7, but no apparently you have no shame and even invading beirut for you can be done with honor. Akid el za3ranet done by your side(admit at least a few in the middle of atrocities committed by the israeli march14)were done by amal and kawmié not hizzies, ento ma khasskon, bass fat7to el tarik w eltoulon chou ya3mlo…you see this is not honorable in itself

and tell me using civilians as human shields in also honorable?? am just curious
67. Doc 1559 | November 21st, 2008 at 10:27 pm

N10452

The old saying goes : 3la chiklo chakchiklu , ya i can do much better and you know it ! But why should I? Why should I respect a racist old timer like Danny? I called him for an open debate he turned it into an IRHABI one? I asked to time out and relax (#22) maybe he’ll do better bass no no no

You can critisize 7akim all you want. You are an insider and you reserve a fully right to do so. The lebanese leaders always ask for critisizm in case they mess up BUT ONLY WANNA HEAR THE PRAISE. They turn their deaf ear every time we put them on the spot! Ya3ne , 7akim will probably go on tv in a few days ka2inu cha2yan lam yakun , the same way he did in the past!! 2ino bi rabak N, is this the same samir geagea you praised in post ” SAMIR GEAGEA TEJJ RASSKUN?? As you said , and i agree with you : principles come first! Lemme tell you some buddy : An honest crtitisizm is hard to take especially when it comes from educated person like you and this is the reason why your BOUTA on this blog are going crazyyy!!

My point of view is this , SG is improving for the good and I highly respect that.. fi chi ghlata kalemeh? As for HA being irhebiye, LA2 MA BYOTLA3LAK , hine bi zet al 7ukumeh yalle inta fiya , mou? Ya3ne inta irhebe as well eh ?????

Danny

2ino ya danny (only danny the rest plz dont read)

You wanna call me irhebe and still ask me to keep the debate open ? Wlek sa7i7 2inak a7mar min li 7mar, calling you a 7mar is an insult for all 7amir kind !! wa7ad jahesh madrub 3la rassak bil sa7atta 2inta w zghir ..

I dunno what to tell you anymore. Now That I thanked 7akim for being an open minded person MA 3AJABAK! Few days ago, I critized aoun, KAMEN MA 3JABAK! Fad14 asked me for my opinion on M8 corruption and I agreed with him , KAMEN MA 3JABAK! wlek la haydeke matra7 iza byi3jbak!!! yalla za7ittttt , i am not gonna read your comments anymore..
68. Rani | November 21st, 2008 at 10:31 pm

these quotes are an intentional distortion of geagea’s intended message…

yes hizballa have a cause… the iranian cause… nothing wrong with that statement

yes it is unfortunate we had to deal with israel to defend ourselves… it means: we would have preffered the lebanese army defend the citizens… nothing wrong with statement…

geagea was clear that the christians of SYRIA were against the byzantines… most not all… a historical fact… but for n10452 to omit that key word to distort the meaning of the sentence reveals his malicious intentions.

the “mistake” was referring to the high-level strategic-military cooperation with israel, something that geagea has always been against… geagea was the one who closed the LF office in israel in the 80’s, when we were at the height of our power. he always felt that way.

respect EVERYTHING hizballa did? including may 7th? including the downtown camp? including thanking syria? come on… geagea was and is the loudest opponent of hizballa… obviously it was taken out of context… the tape was cut right before he said that.

march 14 have always said not to disarm hizballa by force, but to put their weapons under the control of the state… nothing new here.

it is really sad that after after this man sacrificed 11 years in solitary for the sake of the christians… some would resort to such cheap tricks to call this man a dhimmi. shi bi2arrif.
69. Anonymous | November 21st, 2008 at 10:34 pm

QUOTE
We believe in our country and Hizbulla remains a cancer.

Aoun is just a flu.
UNQUOTE

I would say an indigestion followed by severe diarrhea, it describes better the old fart’s condition
70. Doc 1559 | November 21st, 2008 at 10:51 pm

N10452

Ana natter jawebak ! 2inta w HA bizet al 7umukeh , does this make you irhabe (as you claim) as well????

Anonymous

FYI, Farts are toxic did you know that MR?? They are as toxic as some anonymous sound!!
71. Ali | November 21st, 2008 at 10:54 pm

” We are somehow left alone except for the Arab support…It is just now that the Arabs realised how stupid they were by creating a shiaa monster in Lebanon in the name of moukawama…that tells you that persians are way smarter than Arabs!!
”
hahaha .. mind u that arabs dont support you!!
it’s the so-called “arab regimes” that do!!let it be clear for u!!

yea .. the arab regimes are the stupidest no doubt.
i noticed from ur writings that u are trying to picture the struggle as an arab-persian struggle!! hehe dont do much effort lol cause u will reach nowhere!! dont be naive !!!
72. Anonymous | November 21st, 2008 at 10:57 pm

ok ?!?!! what’s your point ?! That Aoun is toxic ?
Then you and I agree !
73. Doc 1559 | November 21st, 2008 at 11:04 pm

Ali

Hello

Lf dont beleive in 3rabs . They call themselves lebanese and some of them beleive that lebanon is a none arabian country !! This is why they are the way they are…

Thank you ..
74. Doc 1559 | November 21st, 2008 at 11:09 pm

Anonymous

lol
75. kouwatje | November 21st, 2008 at 11:09 pm

N

I think you are not loyal to the lf neither to the cause, I think you are only loyal to somebody who used to be an lfer and got kicker out from the lf, I think you have a personal issue with DSG.

But what matters is why do I think such a thing?

I’ll tell you why:

I respect the self criticism and I agree with you in lots of them but when it comes to DSG , you are not being critic , you are acting like our opponents and enemies do , you take the half of the cup rather taken all the cup , half the truth is not at all close to the real truth.

ra7 2oula bil 3arabe el mshabra7:
aktarit el marrat li btente2id fiya el 7akim , bitkoun ktir m7amas bil li 3am t2oulo , mabsout , bass el meshekle anno inte2idak manno inte2id , 2inte2edik tezwir lal 7ai2a , ma t2elle shu baddak aktar min el video , el video m2attash , fa ya 7ott kil el video ya ma t7otto min el ases

iza shi marra 2el el hakim masalan:
el ouwet bte7terim wou bit7ib hizb allah iza wale2o ken la libnen mish la iran.

byeje khaykoun N , byekhod nossa wou bitsir ma3o :
el ouwet bte7terim wou bit7ib hizb allah point a la ligne.

hek 3am bikoun 2ente2edak bi aktarit el aw2at wou hal shi bikhalline shik fik wou bi wale2ak , wou kil el 2e7tiram li 3am teksabo lamma 3anjad t7ot post bi koun el 2enti2ed fi 7a2i2e wou manti2e wou bidel 3ala fehem wou wa3e , 3am tekhreboun bi hek naw3 min el posts.
76. danny | November 21st, 2008 at 11:23 pm

Re: #68

I hope everyone reads the despicable words of Doc199598, so that they get a clear picture of what Hizballah intellectuals write and talk about..

Doc,

You seem to have lost the little ‘brain” that you had…I do not expect much from “your crowd” of terrorists anyways.

Your level of contribution seems to be as low as your class..but what the hell; I am sure the donkeys in the Dahiye look better in comparison to you….
77. ja3far | November 21st, 2008 at 11:24 pm

fuziad…u cannot diferentiate a politicl decision from teh way a fighter behave too bad for you..

cleaning beirut and putting back lebanon on the right track was done with honor. any person with a normal vision can see that sadly for you, yours is blinded by propaganda and lies …

one of them is taken civilian as human shields… and the funny about it is that you and many here really believe it.. never wonder why almost all these human shields will go and vote for them…

wake up man..

salam
78. ja3far | November 21st, 2008 at 11:45 pm

kouwaji… i have seen N written great articles about geagea, example when geagea appologised… but put yourself in his shoes.. it is easier to say that the M14 propaganda wa lying on you people for the last three years in their attacks to HA or just say that geagea made a mistake now ?

we fought and distroyed the new middle east before it was born… the american old plan is dead with bush leaving.. lebanon is not going to be divided…wake up guys..

geagea for once is acting in a good political way trying to get a place … good luck…

N.. insisting on the old mistakes will not end in just 11 years in prison this time…
open your eyes..

salam
79. Fuziyad | November 21st, 2008 at 11:45 pm

wlek khalessna be hal behavior, any hizzy fighter that went on the streets in may went in a mantality to break and humiliate this brother, may 7 wasn’t done to put anythi ng on the right track, it was meant to say we the shiias are stronger than you and can fuck you up anytime. Lek habibé, an easy argument, but if they were fighting with honor why the fuck were your shurafa thugs wearing MASKS????????????????????

Why wouldn’t I believe the human shields story?? on the bigger picture HA did as a matter of fact take the whole country into hostage on 12 july(oops no I forgot this war was programmed you guys just gave them the PERFECT excuse ma ba3ref lech…). Then concerning HA fighters hiding in the middle of civilians, I don’t know what we are arguing about…ma you guys are proud to say that the HA fighters were fighting from each and every house in the south…
80. Ali | November 22nd, 2008 at 12:22 am

Doc, my bro, i kno that.
they are “feneqeyyen”
i was just refering to rima, she insisted on using the words persian and arab .. she wanna be that part of propaganda!!!they are really naive!!
this kind of propaganda wasnt very effective!! it didnt acheive anything!! she should play on the sunni-shite thing,it proved to be more effective but also faiiled to achieve its goals kamena!!
Jaafar,
u are right.geagea is being hypocratic in this interview.as u said, he is trying to get a place.. he is trying to be rational unlike the old days!! we have to admit the guy is improving !!:P
but will Jumblat leave him an empty seat?!! thats the question lol!!
81. Ali | November 22nd, 2008 at 12:29 am

Danny, “reply #76″
A wise man once said:”The most vicious person is he who looks for other people’s defects while he overlooks his own faults”
82. danny | November 22nd, 2008 at 1:06 am

Ali,

OK….Wise man.
83. Rima | November 22nd, 2008 at 1:23 am

HEY YOU ALL LET’S BOW DOWN TO THE MOST HONORABLE FIGHTERS IN HISTORY WHO DON’T FEEL ASHAMED OF HIDING BEHIND CIVILINAS AND PUT THEIR CHILDREN IN DANGEROUS WAR SPOTS TO GAIN INTERNATIONAL MEDIA SUPPORT…REALLY HONORABLE!!!!!!!!!!
84. Rima | November 22nd, 2008 at 2:04 am

Ali,

It does not matter what we consider ourselves as a Christian community…It is obvious that there is a struggle of hegemony in the Middle East…In its quest for a place among the superpowers, Iran does not mind to use HA and Hamas to twist the USA arm…etc…everyone knows that.The fact that this iranian support worked for your own favour does not make the interests of all Lebanese coincide with yours. We beleive in democratic an institutions and we beleive in free market and capitalism…we beleive that the Palestinina cause is no more than houssan tarwada everyone use it for its own hidden agenda including Syria and Iran and HA…your main and long term purpose is to transform Lebanon into an Islamic Republic or an mini-Iran.You don’t give a sh***it about anything else. In your book, al ghaya toubarrer al wassila. So stop bragging about your faked honour! funny when a prostitute brags about her virginity.

Cheers
85. Rambo | November 22nd, 2008 at 2:32 am

Geagea will look great in a Saudi white dress ….
El Muhim el sheikh Saad ma yiz3al w ydalo yfit dollar.

Mish bas be3o el adiyeh be3o terikha kamen.

Sheikh Geagea el Maarabi ….
86. Rambo | November 22nd, 2008 at 2:34 am

Haideh min Charles Malek it fits Geagea and his followers:

سكين يا لبنان، مسكين يا لبنان، يريدونك اليوم أن تبدل تاريخك الحي الصارخ، بالصمت والخضوع والموت…

and by dollar. El mouhim el sit buys a new set of coats this winter … but dman it Daher will not portray her on TV every night.
87. elie | November 22nd, 2008 at 4:58 am

to all the HA PEOPLE on this blog…you have to understand that we don’t see thinks the same way like you do.
we don’t believe in the thinks that you believe in.
we have different views to most of the life issues..
we are Christians…we pray to God by saying “Our father” you will never understand us .
we see you as criminals,thieves , thugs and killers.
so spare us your idiotic comments about how honorable and great you are….you are nothing but ignorants with guns.
88. akdkjd | November 22nd, 2008 at 4:59 am

Hezbollah are the best!
89. Rima | November 22nd, 2008 at 7:20 am

Kouwatjeh

Don’t be hard on N…let’s admit he made a mistake in the wrong time…this does not make him bad and does not make him a traitor….

I use to think that N is a bit hard on SG…but think of it like that: people who love us are the last ones to praise us all the time…the one who cares about you will always tell you what is wrong with you so you improve yourself….a bad friend will fool you by praising you all the time and making you feel good so you keep falling into your own trap….

As for the idiotic comments, somehow shamate, from Pro-Ha is so ironic. Hassouna said if he knew that kidnapping and killing Israeli soldiers will lead to a destructive war he wouldn’t have done it in the first place!!!!!!!DO THEY DARE CRITICIZE SUCH A LUNATIC AND MOURTAZAKA!
AL MOUKAWAMEH AL….THEY ARE READY TO SELL THEIR WIFES TO PLEASE THEIR iRANIAN MULLAHAS!
90. Rima | November 22nd, 2008 at 7:22 am

*I mean let’s admit SG made a mistake
91. Delta | November 22nd, 2008 at 7:48 am

ALi if there is something i agree with you on is that you are not a blind follower
92. Doc 1559 | November 22nd, 2008 at 7:49 am

Ali

We have to play their games .. li ma biyje ma3k bil 7ayet ta3 ma3o , they call themseleves finiqiyin and call us arabs at the same time they fail to understand that lebanon is an arabic country !! Some of them here in america refuse their lebanese identity , what a shame …

Lets tell them that geagea is improving and keep it that way and trust me they’ll come back the other way around. 2ilun al sama blue b2ilulak la2 its green!!

Again, thank you 7akim ! We wish you luck..
93. N10452 | November 22nd, 2008 at 9:55 am

Doc1559,
Be3tezir nattartak bass el sahra kenit taweele

When i tell you you can do much better, i am referrring to you addressing me
Ba3den i will disregard what Danny wrote, whomever goes to a low level with you, if you do the same .. then you are very much like him y3ane 3am bitchakchiklo

I already said tons of times demeaning posts will be removed, bass manne feti7 garderie khayye hone …
You are talking over 100 comments on this post ..2anno chi wou minno

I have to assume there are grown ups writing here ..

Back to HA, i disagree with what the LF are doing, i disagree with what the government did regarding to HA ( bil new bayen) ..

Wou ana manne bi 7ezeb el ouwet la 2e7ke bi 2esmoun

I am a person with LF thoughts & principles .. and i defend them against everyone, even Lfers ..
94. N10452 | November 22nd, 2008 at 10:16 am

Kouwatge,
Personal issue with DSG ?? min wen la wen

Ma fi half cup full wou half empty in some issues .. its either this or that wou khallas ..
ma feek t7ebb Hezbollah wou ma t7ebbo ..

As long as the LF will not become a democratic party, as long as we wont have accountability for everyone … we are destroying it and make it a one-man show .. and this is what Hakim has been proving to me for the past 3 years and counting ..

Halla2 baddak t2elle el interview mrakkab ??? wlik 7atta lawou m2atash ma wad7a el quote wou ma badda wala context la tinfaham …

He regretted relations ma3 Israel wou he speaks of strategic moving in regards to Hezbollah .. forget the i respect Hezbollah part ya khayye ..

The two previous ones are much much worse ..
95. ja3far | November 22nd, 2008 at 10:37 am

rima… it seems you conssumed all your mental energy in the way to get your PHD degree… i am not wasting my time answering you back..
bass hope you will recover one day..

salam
96. ja3far | November 22nd, 2008 at 10:58 am

fuziad… habibi, all the HA military memebers have their heads wanted by the israeli… of course we dont want their photo taken..
i can give you a small argument back.. you talked about za3ranet.. what za3ranet? your people didnt find anything to say to they kept arguing about the mustaqbal office who used to be a tv few years ago.. they lied and lied about it and you and plenty here are repeating the same lie ..

another one? oh yes.. when twelve quami surrendered in the north they were beaten to deadth by your civilised friends so al quamiyeh in revenge replaced some of the picture of saed with the ones of bachar.. wloooohhhh kbarou baea…

and habibi… if it were for me i would have came in and hunged your friends from their balls two years ago… isa al massihiye ma keen 3andoun baydatt wi iblou yethamachou since 1990 ..i dont..
in a stupid country divided on religion bases ,as i am the bigest sect i have the right of a vito .., haydi wassiket al wifaq al watani.. otherwise we go back to civil war… when the shia ministers resigned, the government is obliged to resign.. same3e shou: MAMNOU3E YEHKMOU BALA TAYFI ..bass ashabak badoun yehekmou laheloun. badoun yeklou al akhdar wil yebess..
lawe ma jame3ti shourafa kino yawmita da3assou bi alboun… bass kheir.. jame3tak aghbiya wdalou 3am yetjabaro la kassaro al jarra .
we are not happy of the decision to go to beirut… nor proud of it… bass when it was taken, we are very proud of the circomstances…

wa ba3deen ya zaki… when the israeli go inside of one village of course we will fight him from a house to another till we throw him out.. this is called hareb shawere3e… shou khass taking civilian hostages or hiding behind women and children?? 3anjad bidahkou amrar…

salam
97. ja3far | November 22nd, 2008 at 11:00 am

elie.. shou khass toz bi marhaba? who is talking about ideology behind the fight?
we are talking about the fighters them selves.. if they are honorable or not.. and if you are seeing them idiot fighters .. smahli fiya your IQ is veryyyyyyyyy low ..

salam
98. Rima | November 22nd, 2008 at 1:11 pm

Jaafar

Maaleich I think we are talking about the Katyoushia you were launching from behind civilian buildings…we are talking about dirty tricks when the media awkwardly found children and women in a hidden bunker killed by Israeli bombs in an extremely war zone area
why were they there? Do yu think Israelis did it on purpose? No coz they know that the whole international public opinion will scream bloody hell as with qana…

Is it honorable to cross the lebanese borders and kill isrelis and kidnap them just coz you have a thug called Samir K in their prison…shou hal nikteh ya

by the way…plz spare me your “twisted” replies
99. danny | November 22nd, 2008 at 1:39 pm

N,
#93You said: “Ba3den i will disregard what Danny wrote, whomever goes to a low level with you, if you do the same .. then you are very much like him”.

I very much take offence to what you said. After listening to the vulgar comments of these peasants; someone should tell them off!
Please do not consider my replies low…If you allow people like Doc and Sammy to spew their venom and swear words here along with sexist remarks what do you expect?
It seems you are leaning backwards to “please” these cowards. They are nothing but terrorists!

It seems as I said before this site is becoming a maskhara and centre for HA rejects (can you get worse than that?).

I appreciate and enjoyed commenting here. But it seems useless.

Cheers. Wish you success. Till me meet again.
100. Ali | November 22nd, 2008 at 1:55 pm

Rima,
_u said,”It does not matter what we consider ourselves as a Christian community.”
u can’t talk on behalf of the whole christian community!
Many christians consider themselves arabs! its ur right to consider urself whatever u want i dont have a problem with that and never did!

_u also said,”In its quest for a place among the superpowers, Iran does not mind to use HA and Hamas to twist the USA arm”
its obvious that u have no idea what u are talking abt!! the relation between HA,Hmas, and Iran is FAR beyond any regional interest! its obvious that u dont really understand the reality of this struggle!! its not that Iran wanna be a superpower !! if thats what the struggle is abt , it is much easier for iran to be an american allie than to support the resistance movements in the region!! Iran is paying for her support to the arab causes since the rise of the islamic revolution!! it has been under siege since 1979!! That wasnt the case during the Shah era!!
101. Ali | November 22nd, 2008 at 2:01 pm

“We beleive in democratic an institutions and we beleive in free market and capitalism”
we too believe in democratic institutions but not in Capitalism! So what?!!
“we beleive that the Palestinina cause is no more than houssan tarwada everyone use it for its own hidden agenda including Syria and Iran and HA”
then u are mistaken:)!! U
102. Rambo | November 22nd, 2008 at 2:03 pm

N10452 points major major major historical mistakes, major ideological shift of Samir Geagea and the reply from followers who do not know their history and their ielogy and for sure do not know why the LF was established and its purpse, they tell N10452you have personal issue with Geagea.

Khaye shu N10452 sahbo la geagea? works for him? darbo la geagea ? or geagea darbo? kasab 3leh whe they were playing fotball?? Shu N10452etilo ikhto aw joz ikhto …

Khaye shu hal personal issue yali semi3a min yghayro w meshi fiya???

Haida bi samou 3ouqoum siyeseh. 3ouqoum zaka . …..

Hadial iflesssss siyesi…

Ba3rif fi ktir ma sada’o what Geagea said bu they feel obliged to defend him because he is a leader…. You guys are damaging the cause more than Samir Geagea.

If you do not stand and vice your opinion … hata law others will come and say into traitors w into have personal problem with Geagea …

As fo the others who see nothing wrong … you are no better han Islamists and Hizballah fundamentalits.
103. Ali | November 22nd, 2008 at 2:30 pm

“We beleive in democratic an institutions and we beleive in free market and capitalism”
we too believe in democratic institutions but not in Capitalism! So what?!!
“we beleive that the Palestinina cause is no more than houssan tarwada everyone use it for its own hidden agenda including Syria and Iran and HA”
then u are mistaken:)!!what for do syria,Iran and HA need that “Hossan torwada” for plz explain that to me ?

“your main and long term purpose is to transform Lebanon into an Islamic Republic or a mini iran.”
u are totally right! u seek to live within “DIVINE” laws cause we consider them perfect(i kno that u like the word ivine a lot sa7?:D)just like u wanna live within Capitalism! it would be our pleasure to transfer Lebanon to a mini IRan!! but to do that u should garauntee that 90% of the lebanese ppl are looking to live withing an islamic regime!! that was the case in Iran!!! lol!!
can u garauntee that?!! no !! that will never happen!! the case inlebanon is so different than that in Iran!! in iran more than 96% if the population were SHITES!! is this the case in lebanon!?! moreover, All the shites there believe in what is called “rule of the jurist” your favourite word ever:P.but this is not the case here!! only few shites do believe in this religious concept!! Amal movement and lots of Hizbullah fans dont agree on that!! So do u think that the sunnites or christians will agree on it?!!!
even if hizbullah want to force this kind of rehgime on others.. it will surely not last for a year!!
the regime would suffer a lot of disturbances and thus the islamic regime will lose its meaning!! the islamic regime should be a solution to the society and to turn out to be the society main problem!! thats how we see it!!!
and let me here mention a lovely state by Ayatullah Mohammad hussein Fadlullah:
“نحن نطرح الاسلام ولكن ان لم يكن هناك ظروف لأن يكون الاسلام هو الحكم فتعالوا نبني دولة الانسان”
it is a state that respect its ppl and deal with them as Citizens who have the full right to live in peace and prosparity that we are looking for !!

_”In your book, al ghaya toubarrer al wassila. ”
my book ? u mean the Quran?!!if thats true mention the aya that talks abt that plz!!!
_”So stop bragging about your faked honour”
i feel disappointed ..such words shouldnt come out from an”educated” person!
We are ppl with honor and its not up to u to judge us especially when u dont have a real knowledge abt our Ideology and thats what most of ur comments show!!
_funny when a prostitute brags about her virginity
yea its is so funny when SHE does that!
104. elie | November 22nd, 2008 at 2:47 pm

ja3far,,,being a HA shows what a high IQ you have.
I called you “Ignorants with guns” …You can have a PHD and still an ignorant…When you cover your women with chadoor and don’t shake hands with non muslims and believe that the way to heaven is by killing non muslims….or maybe by wearing these ugly silver rings in your hands…or by not shaving your beards or by exploding yourselves…or ..or
when you do and believe in all this …allow me to say that you are big ignorant.
105. Rima | November 22nd, 2008 at 2:57 pm

Ali

So you are refuting my worries about an Islamic Republic in Lebanon? What about the old statement by Nasrallah in the 80s regarding the establishment of an Islamic Republic…
You are forcing us to respect and honour your destructive movement just because it serves your own people. Can yu tell me what are we benefitting as lebanese people from your permanent struggle with Israel and alliance with Syria/Iran?

Are you trying to convince me that fighting Israel forever is your purpose and that yur katyushia had protected or will protect you from the Israelis?

It does not matter what your religious ideology is as long as it does not affect the political system of Lebanon. I beleive in the separation of the church and the state…similarly I beleive it is time to separate the Mosque from the state? If yu know what I mean…

I respect Ayatullah Mohammad hussein Fadlullah but as far as I know he is not in good terms with HA…am I right?

HA would never disarm and I prefer that they will build their own divine state and we build ours.
106. ja3far | November 22nd, 2008 at 2:58 pm

elie… what you wrote shows how ignorant you are about us … what you think are facts are stupid myths and lies your leaders made you believe in to get scared of us and follow them .. because in normal situation you will not…

my responsibility in life is not to try to teach blocked head and ignoraant people nor oblige them seek truth and reality…

when u really want to know the real us and u are sincere about it there is plenty of ways and i will help u …

finaly it is not a shame not to know, but it is to incest on not knowing…

salam
107. Rima | November 22nd, 2008 at 3:08 pm

Elie

It does not matter how HA or the shiaa handle themselves. They are entitled to their own way of life whether to cover men or to cover women, to drink or not to drink, to shave or not to shave, to have a shower or not to have a shower….who cares?

We care when they try to impose their political/religious ideology or impose their cultural particularities on the rest…
108. Rambo | November 22nd, 2008 at 3:38 pm

Elie,

Yes I agree Hizballah wants and islamic state, a militia, … theiragenda is against Lebanon, ….

But you can’t say they are ignorant with guns. They maaged to face the international community and Israe, switched things around ….

In 3 years they switched everything … the only ignrants are those who followed Sheikh Saad nd his money ….
109. Rima | November 22nd, 2008 at 3:59 pm

Ya rambo

the same thing can apply to Hitler..he had followers he had money he had ideology he had allies he won the battles but he never won the WAR and he died like a dog!
110. N10452 | November 22nd, 2008 at 4:52 pm

Rima,
Your example is bad here and misplaced.
Hezbollah have a very very well trained militia with the hundreds of millions they receive … and my biggest worry is their weapons and their trained men ..

they can invade our regions, we dont have a resistance anymore .. we have untrained tough guys … which will smashed like flies in front of professional guerrilla fighters ..

Hitler was confronted by most Europe and the USA …. who will face HA ?
111. Rami | November 22nd, 2008 at 4:53 pm

This is the day where all Christians must admit that we are officially defeated, our role in the mid-east is over…
112. Rodge | November 22nd, 2008 at 5:01 pm

enno rami tfalsaf… chou hal satlaneh ya rami?
113. kouwatje | November 22nd, 2008 at 6:36 pm

N

Well HA was able to breach Sunni territories in Beirut, knowing that few people fought back, but as for Junblat territory they failed . There trained men are only efficient in fighting from hidden places as we so against Israeli attack.

Ja3four, alia, and all the rest Hizbel5.ara thugs:
shut.the.fok.up
You are scum bags
And what makes you like that is simple:
Your culture.

As for the aounist :
You are the scum of the scum, I have never seen such idiots, gays, ignorant, blind followers, traitors to your own martyrs and cause, the history will not have mercy on you.
114. Rambo | November 22nd, 2008 at 8:33 pm

RIMA bas HIzballah outsmarted March 14 on the political level as well.

By the way who told you Hitler died? I guess you are not following the new reports that he might be still living in Argentina.
115. Ali | November 23rd, 2008 at 12:31 am

i guess this gonna be a bit long reply !

Rima
_What about the old statement by Nasrallah in the 80s regarding the establishment of an Islamic Republic!
i ,myself, have never heard such a statement!! i kno that hizbullah believe that the islamic regime is PERFECT regime. But simply it cant be applied in lebanon cause the majority are against it and surely it cant be forced on ppl! however, lets assume that Sayyed Nasrallah declared that they wanna force it on lebanese in the 80’s innno thats the worst thing that can be sa7!!
1st of all and as u said it is an OLD statement!!Sayyed Nasrallah was not the secretary general back then!! 2nd, in the 80’s there was no such thing called Lebanon!! there were lebanese parties that were fighting each other and everyone had his own agenda, everyone drew his own picture of Lebanon!!
it was in the 90 when most lebanese fractions agreed on living within a united country!! the Taef organized the political affairs in lebanon!
that was an essential event! We all agreed to live together in ONE country! many parties including Hizbullah changed their lots of their attitudes!! they put new standards and are dealing according to new rules!! what i am saying is that starting from Al taef things were totally different!
if hizbullah believe in “forcing” an islamic regime lebanon would have been an islamic state long time ago and May 7 prove that!!

_”You are forcing us to respect and honour your destructive movement just because it serves your own people.”
Respect and honour are two values that cant be forced on ppl.. they can only be gained ! it depends on the behavior of this movement or that!
it is not a destructive movement and will never be! it is a movement who seeks libert and freedom thats why it can never be destructive! this movement fought and is still fighting for the independence of lebanon and its ppl!! and this is something that should concern all lebanese!! yea, it may concern more the southerns since they are the ones who are in direct contact with occupation and suffered a lot from its aggression and savage actions!! Mind u that in south, there is the christian, the sunnite and the shites!! and believe me , if it was Ashrafeyye that was occupied.. u would find these SHITES fighting with the ppl of Ashrafeyye side by side!!and i am not saying poetry here .. u haveto know that it is someting that has to do with principles and ethics! As Imam Ali once said,”BE a friend to the opressed and an enemy to the opressor!!” he say the opressed MUSLIM he just said the opressed so no matter who was the opressed we have to stand against his opressor!!

_”Are you trying to convince me that fighting Israel forever is your purpose and that yur katyushia had protected or will protect you from the Israelis”

Fighting israel forever isnt my purpose .. defending my ppl is!! and dont get me wrong!!
i will never recognize israel as a state but at the same time i am not gonna endager lebanon and fight on behalf of the palestinians!! they have the will , the necessary courage to do the job!
yea i might send them money, i may teach them some tactics but i am not gonna fight their war!! Aslan, it is not rational to get ur child slaughtered for others to live!! Everyone knows that hizbullah cant liberate Palestine!!!!this is insane!! it is well known that hizbullah was able to defend israel cause they were fighting on their own land they are defending their own houses!!

_”It does not matter what your religious ideology is as long as it does not affect the political system of Lebanon”
i agree with that!! aslan thats why i am telling u ino dont worry abt the islamic repunlic thing!! it is just a belief but will never affect the political system!! we said that if the majority is with an islamic republic then we will have an islamic republic and that is DEmocracy isnt it? .. it is protected in the political system .although, i kno that this will never happen cause only few wanna live within an islamic regime!

_”
I beleive in the separation of the church and the state…similarly I beleive it is time to separate the Mosque from the state? If yu know what I mean…
”
i respect ur belief but i have my own belief !!

_” respect Ayatullah Mohammad hussein Fadlullah but as far as I know he is not in good terms with HA…am I right?”
well, i do respect him too. by the way he doesnt believe in “wilayet el Faqeeh” … but u are wrong concerning the relation between him and hizbullah leadership!! things are doing gr8!!:)
there was some misundertsanding long time ago in the late 90’s but not anymore!!

_”HA would never disarm and I prefer that they will build their own divine state and we build ours”
hehe if believing in an islamic republic would affect lebanon’s political system then is ur belief concerning Partitioning lebanon!!
that prove my point .. as long as we dont force ppl,we are free to believe whatever we want!!
thank u!
116. Doc 1559 | November 23rd, 2008 at 12:48 am

N10452

Ok ! Dont worry about me waiting on you, I understand your position.. I am busy the same way you are, somtimes I go days without postingg … kelna bil hawa sawa istez N , did you have some 3ra2 w kibeh nayeh bil sahra ?

Anyway , you quoted me :
I am a person with LF thoughts & principles .. and i defend them against everyone, even Lfers ..

Ok lakan, can I call you an independent from now on ?

Again N, is this the same samir geagea TEJJ RASSKUN(post) ? You dont have to answer me if you dont want 2 and I will still respect that ..
117. paul | November 23rd, 2008 at 12:52 am

Rambo @113

Hitler born 1889!!!
118. Ali | November 23rd, 2008 at 3:09 am

thank u N. at least some1 is being realistic here!

as for kouwatji, inta shaklak 2abed el thawra jad lol.
they failed to defeat jumblat?
lol..didnt u watch him on tv begging for mercy?
and since we are nobles:P, we pardoned him:P. he learned his lesson didnt he?:D
119. Rima | November 23rd, 2008 at 3:18 am

Ali

Regarding the Islamic Republic let’s admit you are right and you might be but you are not playing by the democratic rules…if the decisions taken by the government don’t suit you you burn the country!

You threaten the national security of lebanon by unilaterally attacking soldiers in their own sovereign state..and drag all Lebanese into a destructive stupid war…

You ally yourself with the enemy of Lebanon Syria…Syria who assassinated Christian and sunni leaders….Is that wataniyeh? and then you falsely accused the others of plotting with Israel against you. This is a fat lie if not for siniora’s diplomacy you would be in a bad shape! I prove to you if you were not loosing in the South you wouldn’t accept the LA and the UN forces to go to the South.

You use your Media to spread hatred and fat lies and venemous propaganda against your fellow sunnis…and Christians

You act like an independent state by forging relationship with a foreign country(Iran) without the consent of the government….

You use your silah to threaten the army and whoever defy you…

In the end, the separation of the state and the church/Mosque is the basis of all democracies…this is an essential component of modern states….that is why I beleive in partition coz theocracy and democracy do not coincide…

Thanks for your replies
120. Rima | November 23rd, 2008 at 3:28 am

Ali

“he say the opressed MUSLIM he just said the opressed so no matter who was the opressed we have to stand against his opressor!!”

What a hypocrisy!!!!! there is no such thing as enemy of first grade and enemy of second grade….Syria is the ennemy of most lebanese people so why are you allying yourselves with them and on top of it thanking them for ripping us of for three decades….so where is your shahaemeh!!!!!!
You only worry about your own interests as long as Syria is helping yu accumulate more weapons and as long as Syria is defeating your political opponents in Lebanon you are happy…sahih shoukran souriya!

So sad how you undermine our intelligence!
121. Mickel | November 23rd, 2008 at 5:46 am

loooooooooool rambo
hitler is still alive
shows how smart you are
looooooooooool
122. Michele | November 23rd, 2008 at 8:26 am

Rambo u are a complete WANKER (n not in an Australian meaning) n excuse my French!
123. Traffic | November 23rd, 2008 at 9:55 am

hehehe let’s disregard the LF’s and DSG’s 30 years of political and armed resistance for a cause just because we have found a heavily edited clip that presents most of the arguments out of context… that’s sane
124. Ali | November 23rd, 2008 at 4:14 pm

Rima,it is i who should thank u for ur replies and i
never thought of undermining ur intelligence .sorry it was a typing mistake!!
i wanted to say ” he DIDNT say the Oppressed MUSLIM but “oppressed” only ( it can be any oppressed).so no matter who was the oppressed we should stand by his side whether he was a christian,a muslim, or a jewish, whether he was a lebanese ,an arab ,…etc but akeed with taking the interest of lebanon into consideration!
u wanna discuss the syrian issue so be it!
u once said something abt respecting the political system right?! it was stated in the constitution that lebanon’s only enemy is Israel!

2nd, syria entered lebanon when Ameen Jmayyel asked for her help against PLO!!
3rd, the lebanese forces along with many other lebanese fractions supported syria against Aoun and some of them Bombarded Eastern Beirut and i mean by that the lebanese forces!!
3rd, Most Lebanese agreed on Taef which allowed the syrian troops to stay in lebanon for two years!
After these two years, every government that was formed blessed the presence of the syrian troops on our land so basically i cant consider syria an occupation!!
and dont get me wrong. I wanna live in an independent country with no influence whether it was syrian, iranian, or saudi arabia ..etc!!
but,if i wanna be rational i wouldnt call their presence an occupation cause it was justified by the lebanese government!
However,it is useful to mention some things concerning the relation between hizbullah and syria!
Hizbullah suffered a lot from the syrian savage behavior!
syria committed a massacre ” majzaret fat7alla” and killed 25 member of hizbullah in cold blood.
they were in the mosque praying when a group of the syrian army made them stand with their face to the wall and killed them all!
syria fought hizbullah in the 80’s. they stood with amal movement against hizbullah in the clashes that occured in what is called” hisar el 2qleem”.
hizbullah tried to assassinate ghazi Ken3an but they failed to kill him in 1987!

Hizbullah never participated in any government during the syrian Influence on lebanon. It also didnt give “althe2a” to any government during that time!

even during the Elections, syria always interfered for benefit of Amal Movement against Hizbullah!

s0o why would hizbullah ally to the syrians after the 80’s?!!
see,
Hizbullah consider israel the main threat to lebanon!! the israelis are racists. they are against the christians as well as the muslims! they wanted to occupy all the arab lands and make their state”men el ba7r 2ela el naher”
syria on the other hand, wanna some influence on lebanon and has interests in it!
at that time, hizbullah had 3 options. allying with the israelis, allying with the israelis, or fighting both!
since israel resemble the main threat and wanna dominate over all these lands(by the way it would be useful to read some oarts of their book) hizbullah could never be their ally!!
s0 should HA fight both?!! that would be insane!!where from shall we get the weapons necessary?!
tab, shall hizbullah try to live withing the syrian influence ,get supplied with weapons, and start its liberation process againt the israelis?!! i guess that was the best option especially that all the major sects in lebanon decided to live within the syrian influence! the govenment that was formed back than in 1994 proved this!! Samir geagea, walid jumblat,Rafiq el hariri, nabih berri all were part of that government!

u said,”as long as Syria is defeating your political opponents in Lebanon you are happy.”
thats not true at all. we dont need syria to defeat our political opponents!! it is waleed Jumblat who wanted that along with Harir the father!! Everyone kno that the syrian intelligence always stood against us in the elections! but they used to “yfaslo el qanon 3ala 2yas waleed baik ” .again, the only thing that syria helped us with is accumulate weapons as u have just said!! mind u that these weapons had only one job!! and plz dont mention May 7.tahts another story !!:)
u said,”thanking them for ripping us of for three decades”
thats not true. Aslan hizbullah has never been part of that ripping. he was never part of any govenemnet back then . Hizbullah didnt benefit from his relation with the syrians in the internal aspect!! yea , all he wanted from his relation with the syrians is to get supplied with weapons.. weapons that were used to liberate lebanon and defend its ppl against the israeli threat!! this threat that wanted to change the identity of lebanon!! and believe me, those who think that the israelis can be good to christians kno nothing!! just look what happened to the christians in Jerusalem!!
s0o,Noone would be happy with ppl who are ripping him and for sure none would thank them for that!! we thank syria cause it helped us with liberating our country by allowing the transfer of weapons!! mind u that we didnt welconme the syrians in the 80’s and we werent happy with their militant presence cause with or without their militant presence we are getting supplied with weapons!!

if hizbullah chose to fight israel and syria together.. lebanon wouldnt be liberated and the syrians along with the israelis would be still here!!
Politics is called “فن الممكن”.that was the only possible choice for hizbullah !

_”I prove to you if you were not loosing in the South you wouldn’t accept the LA and the UN forces to go to the South”
come on!! u told me not to undermine ur intelligence thats why i will consider this a joke!:D!
if we were losing in the south there woundt be anything called HIzbullah now!!
the israelis couldnt achieve any of its goals even the israelis admiited that!!
Saniora is a hypocratic! i have heard that he is developing a secret weapon in the saray. it carries that symbol DS1. it is capable of protecting the lebabese airfield!! u kno, DS stands for Domo3 el Saniora!!
be serious Rima!!:)
we dont use our propaganda against neith sunnis nor christians!! we are not racists and its is not religious issues that we disagree on!! we use our propaganda against political oponents just like u have always did since the “SHukran souria” demonstrations!! it was ur media who pictured us as iranian puppets who serve the Mullah’s agenda in Tahran!! ur media started spreading hatred first!! however, i believe it is time that our media, mine and yours, spread peace and love cause ppl are sick of all what happened!! they wanna live a happy peaceful life which they really deserve!
_”You act like an independent state by forging relationship with a foreign country(Iran) without the consent of the government”
our relation with Iran is an ideological relation and also is the relation with Iraq! it is similar to the christians relation with the Pope in Vatikan!
but ppl here in lebanon like to focus on the relations with iran for political purposes!!
mind u that 14 Feb also made relations with USA, France, and rest without the consent of the Foreign ministry!!
unfortunately thats the case in lebano and it concerns everyone!!

you said,”You use your silah to threaten the army and whoever defy you”
thats totally not true and i have expplained that tio u previously.. no need to repeat myself!
still, i have a remark to say.
i did respect concerning the islamic republic thing!! it seems that u dont objct just to object lol. afterall neither i nor u have the ultimate truth or knowledge!
thank u once more!
125. Rambo | November 24th, 2008 at 5:48 am

Ahama Shi el Sheikh Saad ma Yizaal.

La shu meto el shouhada? La el Taef? La 3youn Saad? Ama la tarikh 3oumro 1450 sineh?? And who was invading min 1450 sineh???

Kifo petro-dollar??? Paid enough la Maarab?