What is the deal with those treaties and decisions being taken nowadays ??
I understand the government is operating normally, but is this really the time to take such sensitive decisions and in such a reckless way ??
First Holy Friday is almost cancelled and now we want to give Muslim children distinguished rights ??? Doesnt the Human Rights agreement we agreed on as a Lebanese government cover all rights for all children ??
Yes Gebran Bassil, that hypocrite FPM leader, is right in every question he asked … he might be the last one eligible to ask them, i am positive he is doing them just to score points and he is shaking the religious feeling of Christians but regardless of all that, i CANNOT understand what is the LF doing !!??
Just to make things clear for everyone at first:
Gebran Bassil visited the patriach 2 days ago and complained about the government signing an agreement joining Lebanon to the chart of Muslim Children’s rights, and the irony here is that Nayla Moawad answered him through her ministry and in what shameful and dhimmist way ..
I dont really care about FPM scoring points here, and i urge LFers to see things clearly here ..
We have been fighting an islamization plan for Lebanon for years, we have been jailed and called sectarians and racists for expressing our fears of Islamizing the country.
Nowadays this plan is still ongoing and our ministers are SIGNING on the agreements and defending the plan.
I ask our allies, What is the aim of passing such laws in such times when no one is noticing them ???
Bkerke today issued a statement showing a similarity between this plan and the Isesco, another agreement the government wanted to join few years ago.
3- ان مرسوم الإنضمام الى حقوق عهد الطفل في الإسلام رقم 363 الذي ينص على شرط عدم التزام لبنان بما يمس حقوق الأطفال اللبنانيين غير المسلمين وسائر أنظمة الاحوال الشخصية، أثار عدة اعتراضات شبيهة بتلك التي أثارها مشروع “منظمة الإيسيسكو”، وأدت الى تجميده في مجلس النواب لثلاث سنوات مضت. وهو مشروع يخالف المنحى المدني للدولة اللبنانية ويتعارض والمادة التاسعة من الدستور اللبناني التي تنص على ان “حرية الاعتقاد مطلقة، والدولة، بتأديتها فروض الاجلال لله تعالى، تحترم جميع الأديان والمذاهب، وتكفل حرية إقامة الشعائر الدينية تحت حمايتها، على الا يكون في ذلك إخلال في النظام العام، وهي تضمن للأهلين على اختلاف مللهم، احترام نظام الأحوال الشخصية والمصالح الدينية”.
I demand explanations, this is the 2nd mistake in 2 weeks …
And for our Christian ministers, are you on medication or something ??? Does it take a genius to figure out such mistakes ??
I suggest you take a dhimmitude test and quit immediatly if it tests positive.
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1. bachir-7ay-fina | July 4th, 2007 at 11:07 pm
Le7koume kella lal zbele sarit w awal wazir lezemlo cha7et joe sarkis, ma 3am befham kif heda wazir ouwet!!!
2. ASN | July 5th, 2007 at 6:43 am
3yb 3layon hadole li lebssin tyeb al ouwet …ra7 zaman li rjelet , ra7 zaman l abadayet…. waynak ya bashirrrrrrrr..
3. @li 1559 | July 5th, 2007 at 7:42 am
Wow , didnt i tell you ; AL ATTI A3ZAM? Here we go again , aoun’s fault right johnny ? It seems like YOUR chatir 3m yighlat ktir w ghalato mich bass bi 1000 , ghalito bi 10452 km2 …. Lawen 14th of march? lawen joe sarkis, neyla m3wad? lawen SG? lawen ya saad? thank god , fada7oukon majless al matarne , wle 3m bitbi3o lebnen?? Pathetic.
I have no name for this crisis , no words to explain it , shame on you . We are not in a civil war yet , but we are already well into it . kell chi wla AL MA7MAKEEEEE!
4. FranceLiban | July 5th, 2007 at 10:10 am
About selling lebanon, this was dont 14 years ago by harriri so that his saudi friends can buy lands, no one complained back then (murr, franjieh) but hey this is irrelevent now.
about the rights of the children in islam, whatever, can someon explain it to me i have no idea.
Anyway if it is true then sarkis should be held responsible and should be changed, however, they will say that there is only a couple of month left so why stop now.
same old same old. stupid old LF, never learn,
5. zahléLfers | July 5th, 2007 at 12:55 pm
@li 1559
le7koumé fiya kam chaghlé mech mne7 bass 3al 2alile lebneniyé mech souriyé wala iraniyé metal ma bado yaha hassan nasrallah.
6. Joe | July 5th, 2007 at 1:24 pm
@li 1559
14 march khata watani
at least cha7atna elsouriye
mish metelkoun kleb souriya ma bta3erou ti3ichou min doun 7ekem souri
wakel up ba2a !!!
aye ahsan? enou dalllak mahkoum min syria like the latest 30 years ? or tkoun free & have ur freedom !!
this government mazbout fiya kam shi ma mnih wa kif ktir wouzara masihiye badoun teghyir, bas at least hkoumi pure lebanese, mish metel hawdik made in syria & iran, & iza badna nghayer el wouzara, so akid ma ha njib zouzara kounou toys & le3be be eid syria & iran
wa 3a shou mabsout be hassouna? le anou kaleb souri ? aw kaleb irani ? aw le anou kel aslehtou wa warikhou wa his holy money min iran !
wake up wa at least be lebanese
14 march 3anda akhta2 ok bas khata watani, badda lebanon
bas intou 8 march shou badkoun ? tkhalou syria here tehkemkoun ? haha eh t3awadtou enou tkouni bala personality!
be lebanese aw zahet 3ish be syria aw iran !
7. Johnny.B | July 5th, 2007 at 2:47 pm
To all of you guys,
ana ouwwatji lal mot… awwal chi so ma 7adan yittihmni bi chi min wara yalli ra7 oulo … :
1- samir geagea is just proving that mitel l-bachir ma byiji.
2- manna mist3iddin ninwajad, ka ouwweit libneiniyeh, bi maw2ef 7erej min wara sou2 idaret zou3amei2na.
3- l-ouwet l-libneiniyeh la ilna, w manna la l-7akim, l-7akim mafroud ykoun 3am bimassilna, i don’t think he is doing a good job lately.
4- @li 1559 I must agree with you.
5- guys guys guys wake up ma baddna nkoun blind followers leizim sawtna yousal lal 7akim la2anno iza l-7akim radi bi hal chi yalli 3am bisir eh ne7na mich radyin. yalli 3am bisir ktir khatir.
Bachir.Gemayel: jeyeh otlob minkoun t2oulou l-7a2i2a add ma keinit sa3beh tkoun …
ya chabeib oulou l-7a2i2a intou chou badkoun, w ma 7adan ydeifi3 3an chi mich mi2tini3 fi …
l-adiyyeh abel l-za3im
8. FranceLiban | July 5th, 2007 at 3:46 pm
Johnny B
you summarized it all, i agree we are fed up, at least we want to know why this is happening,
ACOUNTABILITY before all
9. bachir-7ay-fina | July 5th, 2007 at 5:42 pm
Johnny.B
me too ouwatje la mot
U r right 100%.
10. Joe | July 5th, 2007 at 6:35 pm
shabeb,
dont think so enou el 7akim is knowing what nayla mouawad & koe sarkis have done !
so ma n7amla aktar min ma houi bye7moul!
bas sure byet7amal mas2ouliyet el wade3 el masi7i now be heidi el h7oume
anyway let wait till tomorrow to see & read what 7alim will say in annahar newspaper!
11. Joe | July 5th, 2007 at 6:37 pm
shabeb,
dont think so enou el 7akim is knowing what nayla mouawad & joe sarkis have done !
so ma n7amla aktar min ma houi bye7moul!
bas sure byet7amal mas2ouliyet el wade3 el masi7i now be heidi el h7oume
anyway let wait till tomorrow to see & read what 7alim will say in annahar newspaper!
12. Delta | July 5th, 2007 at 6:54 pm
ZAhle lfers la2 bro mich kam chaghle@li ma3o ha2 this is betraing bachir this is betraying lebanon.
Waynak ya mohamed you dont wanna comment ? faserle ?????????????
Jhonny B bous rassak anna great summary
13. paul | July 5th, 2007 at 7:05 pm
this applies only on the islamic childrens
and their familys.ma 2awal 3a echir…
14. Rodge | July 5th, 2007 at 7:50 pm
Guys,
I think many people will not like what i have to say here, but in my opinion, i see that the “Mustaqbal” movement are trying, as every party in power, to make every thing they can to ensure their interest, and ultimately the interest of Saudi Arabia, and the Sunnis community. So, the question, are they doing the right thing? For us, they are not, but for others, mainly the Sunnis and some other religions, this performance is making them happy. Let us say “Fi Id w Ijr”, ok but this was always the case in Lebanon, for each party tries to take as much as it can, and in return the others try to preserve their rights. this what the Shias were doing all the previous 17 years or so, while we the Christians are losing a great deal now. But that was the case also when we were in power before 1975, since we were making all in our interest, and I hope this period will come back, but it won’t, so it’s a matter of one side trying to win as much as possible, while others are trying to fight this trend. But it is a complete Democratic process, because at least we are still able to change the decisions taken, while under the Syrian governance, we were not able to do anything, and all the decidions were confirmed. Of course we made lots of mistakes (the Holy Friday and now this mistake etc…), but we are able and we did change them, we have the Patriarch who’s much respected from all parties, especially Hariris, and he can tackle these issues and enforce changes and modifications. In conclusion, i don’t think what is happening as dangerous, because no one can dominate Lebanon, no single party or religion can, and we still as christians have things to say and to do. Our problem is that we are divided. Look at the Shias, most of them are behind HA, and the Sunnis behind Hariri, while the Druzes are follweing Junblatt. we as Christians are so divided, some behind the LF, others follwing Aoun, Frangieh, etc… Bachir was a great leader in everything he did, but the best thing he done is that he managed to unify the Christians, and that’s what the others failed to do. I think only the Patriarche can undertake this responsibility now
Sorry for my long posting
God bless you all
15. @li 1559 | July 6th, 2007 at 3:10 am
Johnny
chapeau bas . You’re 100% right .
Joe
Inta ma cha7atet 7adan , 1559 cha7at al souriye….
14th of march watane? adech 3morak inta? kiff watani , fasirle min ba3ed amrak ?
ma fi ila 3m yeklo RIGHTS al massi7iye , min wazayef 7oukoumiye , tahmich siyesse, tihjir, holidays , bala when sar TA3WID AHEL AL JABAL? li sanioura ma bado 7atta yi7ke bil ma3dou3? ect…….
Kiff watani w ma fiyo chiaa? 30% of your population ma ilon timssil? aya watani hayda? wel list goes on and on ..
Ama bikhssous Hassan nassralah, ma ykun 3indak wazen aktar mino 3la al se7a al arabiye-lebneniye?
badak yene rou7 3la iran? La inta wla 500 3la tarzak ya ibne bi2ile heke 7ake , Li mitlak ZA7ATO 3LA ISRAEL w hayehon 3ychin mitel li kleb , ya ma7la li kleb , byout ma 3m ya3touwon , w kilon bala chogol , bay3touwon 200$ a month w dabro rasskon , hayda massir kell wa7ad byimche wara israel . Yalla za7it w rou7 chuf kiff badak traji3on 3la bledon , Watani? khaline chufak bi KSA
, at leat you are welcome in iran bass bi KSA iza massi7e you are not welcome … They will cut your head if you take the wrong way to macca..
16. Joe | July 6th, 2007 at 9:42 am
@li 1559,
mbayan 3a halak enak mou7taram lal maximum, especially enou iza m a hadan wefa2ak ra2yak so it’s an Israelian dealer in ur opinion!, hehehe heid manta2koun el a3waj be 8 march …
bref,…
1st of all, min kell yalli hkito haderet janebak,, ma nakaret enou 7assoun kaleb souri wa irani,, le anou min wein his weapons & Holy money? min jaybtak ma heik? hahaha
2nd, i told u trouh t3ish be iran or syria cos yalli metel shaklak wa khatak el “watani”,, ops i mean khatak el souri el irani e3din 3am ya3melo el moustahil kermal masaleh syria wa iran abel maslahet Lebanon.
so can u tell me ly 8 march 2alet merci la syria? wa merci kermal shou ? le anou syria killed hariri & bachir gemayel & … ect…
aw thx la syria cos hakamet leb for almost 30 years wa badkoun yeha dalla tehkemkoun!!
listen ya shou esmak..
la metlak wala yalli khalafouk bye2dar khawen wahad iza kenou khatou watani
yes 14 march khata watani le anou at least 2alafet houkoume 100% lebanese
mish metel 8 march yalli 2araroun mish be 2eidoun ! wa 2araroun mertebet be syria wa iran
wa iza el chi3a mih mawjoudin be heida el khat so it’s their fault, ma hadan mana3oun, henni a7jabou 7aloun & estakalou TENFIZAN LA MOUKHATAT SOURI !
so kel 8 march wa awaloun hassouna ma 3andoun 2arar be eidoun, henni just a toy in bachar & ahmad najad!
so ma3le iza badak tne2echni ne2echni min heida el mountala2, mish bel tekhwin wa el haki el bala ta3me wa el sakhif ,….& u can discuss the politic issues min doun ma twasekh be ur silly words…
hassoun kaleb souri wa irani, his holy money befteker jeyeboun min jaybtak aw jaybet bayyak!! hahahaha… u r a blind follower Mr ali!!
17. Mohammad | July 6th, 2007 at 6:24 pm
Delta and others,
I didn’t want to make any comment before I go back and check what was that new agreement talking about and where are the negative points.
Please guys, forget my religion that and take my comments as any ordinary person who is asking additional questions added to your all questions, taking into consideration that I will NOT defend anybody.
The current government is composed of 17 ministers (7 Muslims and 10 Christian). So we have two options only for such a new agreement to be approved by the WHOLE government:
1- The Muslim ministers OBLIGED the Christian ministers to sign on it.
2- The Christian ministers didn’t find any problem in such an agreement and therefore they signed.
So, which option took place? I don’t know.
If option 1, then it is a disaster and it is the beginning of HELL.
If option 2, then it is the Christian ministers fault (NOT ONLY JOE SARKIS) because again they are not consulting the Patriarch.
Here, I want to ask everybody, DID you read that agreement? Please go and read it and you will find that it is so silly and funny, you know why? What does the Muslim child in all Muslim countries has more than the Lebanese child? NOTHING AT ALL!!!! The LEBANESE child (whether Muslim or Christian) has more RIGHTS than any other Muslim child on earth.
Also, suppose there is a Worldwide Christian committee that takes care of the Christian Children rights. Where is the problem for Lebanon to attend it since it is applicable ONLY to Christian children?
Once again, I am not defending this silly agreement and I am just asking questions.
Now we come to all FPMs who posted comments here:
LOOK, whatever you do to create a problem between Sunna & Patriarch, YOU WILL FAIL (as usual) especially when you PLAY on the religious tone. This will not give you a single additional Christian vote!
Sorry for the long comment.
18. Rodge | July 6th, 2007 at 8:36 pm
Mohammad,
I agree with your comment, but i think the government and especially president Sanioura and the Ministers from Mustaqbal should be more careful not to raise any issues that could turn people against them, or make a scene of it. I think what we really want, is for Muslims to take more care about Christians rights, and in return Christinas should also take much care about the Muslims interests. But after all, this is Lebanon, and you can’t change people’s mentality that fast.
19. @li 1559 | July 6th, 2007 at 11:24 pm
Joe
W ilak 3yn ti7ke ya bala assel?
ya JALIL AL I7TIRAM INTA …
Min li balach ya ibne? ana walla inta? walla badk yene ma red 3lek? bass inta fahmen w kell al 3lam bala fihem ma hek hehehehe? Typical old mantality lfer , albak ma7rou2 3la iyem zamen …
Ana mane min jamhour hassouna hayda li 2hrak hala2 , bass iza badak ti7ke min montala2 ta2fiye , hassouna ra7 bidal RE3BAK inta wili khalafak (your word)
Li 3la khate mechyin 7araro lebnen min l souri yalla kell 3mro dei3ss 3la rassak w rass li khalafouk (your word ) one more time…. Li mechyin 3la khate ma biheymom la iran wla syria wla israel la2ino ni7na min2emin bi lebnen mich CHRISTIANITY Vs ISLAM wla mechyin wara KSA , abel ma t2ile ana irane lesh inta manak SOU3OUDE? leh inta chu 3melet lal massi7iye ? oppps, assde lebnen ?
8th of march ?!!!! ana fpm ya GHOULAM , w ilak 3yn ti7ke bil wataniye? Junblat safe7777777777 al atfal bil jabal , w khazi2 al 3zaraaaa (virgins) sar hala2 watani ?
Merci la souriya? nafess al chi mitel merci la usa … ma tfakir halak azka min AMIN JAMYEL W GMA , kilon akalo khwezi2 add rasson min usa …. rou7 sa2l bayak (your word ) w houwe bikhabrak , hayde iza ma akalla atlle min al soure laman al amerkene tarakon back in the 80’s …
Yalla go take a shower la2ino fada7tak 3la 7a2i2tak ya sabe , tla3 min al kawef yalla 3yich fi hehehe and think b4 you talk . Eh FPM bi 3younak w 3youn li khalafouk (your word) mich muslim w massi7e w dirze ect…
Sorry N , he draged me la hayde al level al zifet , hayde bass la ilak joe not all the lfers. coz new lfers are educated open minded people bass inta ba3dak da2 adime…
20. Johnny.B | July 6th, 2007 at 11:50 pm
@li 1559,
*first:
we can’t denie that syrian and iran are behind H.A or let’s say at least bimouneh 3leh.
*second:
let’s stop the ksa iran syria thing … because i’m sure you are realising eikhir fatra enno nobody is happy with these allies (ta7eiloufat) w khatt w midreh chou… yimken sar wa2et la zou3amei2na yifta7ou 7izeb la 7alon la2anno eikhir fatra ma 3adou 3am biasslouna sarou 3am bimasslou ra2yon l-khass bighad l-nazar 3an ne7na chou baddna (I’m talking about LF AT LEAST)
*third:
can we stop talking about the past, enno majeizir taba3 jounblat w berri w midri min … i’m sure that most of LF (at least the ones that i know and i) deep down inside would rather have only one allie and its FPM w ma 7adan gheir, coz beleive me, being rivals (akhsam) scares us more than being rivals with H.A, coz kill beit ouwwatjeh fiyo 3awniyieh w kill chakhed ouwwatjeh 3endo min a3azz as7abo aouneh… that’s y im saying its scary … its tearing us apart and this state is even worse than all of the mistake the government is doing… 3AM YISTAFIDO MIN KHOUSOUMITNA LA BA3ED W DO3FNA MFARRA2IN …
21. Joe | July 7th, 2007 at 12:03 am
hehehe Mr ali…. u maked me laught alot… cos really u r a silly FPM … yali wahedkoun btefhamou! typical fpm mentality! lol:P
anyway ,, FPM manna part of 8 march ? Lol ekher nekti … & 3a shou mkhaymin like nawar el basta in DT with all 8 march parties????
thanks for ur down level…aslan kel wahad byehki be aslou
i told u b4 & i repeat now: iza ma hadan wefa2ak ra2yak so it’s an Israelian dealer in ur opinion!, hehehe heida manta2koun el a3waj be 8 march … & FPM TOO…
u dont deserve even a reply… so it’s enough to waste my time on a silly fpm ( syrian dog ) like u
nzal khayem bel DT tenfizan la MOUKHATAT SOURI ya FPM el souri 100% hehehehe & ma tensa MOUT3A marriage with FPM girls be kheyam el nawar HAHAHA … ya watani inta.. ops i mean ya ” souri ” inta wa m3almak aoun…
u r a blind follower Mr ali!!
22. @li 1559 | July 7th, 2007 at 2:13 am
Johnny
Tikram 3ynak , ana nssit saf7et al 7areb la2ino kilna khissrna ..anyway , im gonna take your advice , li hiye my principle @ the same time.anyway,Have a nice trip to usa , good luck …
Joe
I7tiraman lal blog , ma ba2 ra7 red 3lek ,inta zalame marid nafssiyan , did you take a shower?
23. Joe | July 7th, 2007 at 8:46 am
@li 1559
it seems that u didnt read what i said,
so i want to remind u what i told u :
1-u dont deserve even a reply… so it’s enough to waste my time on a silly fpm ( syrian dog ) like u
2-iza ma hadan wefa2ak ra2yak so it’s an Israelian dealer in ur opinion!, hehehe heida manta2koun el a3waj be 8 march … & FPM TOO…
so ur better place is at dayer el salib with m3almak aoun hehehe…:P
u r a silly blind follower Mr ali!!
24. Joe | July 7th, 2007 at 8:46 am
@li 1559
it seems that u didnt read what i said,
so i want to remind u what i told u :
1-u dont deserve even a reply… so it’s enough to waste my time on a silly fpm ( syrian dog ) like u
2-iza ma hadan wefa2ak ra2yak so it’s an Israelian dealer in ur opinion!, hehehe heida manta2koun el a3waj be 8 march … & FPM TOO…
so ur better place is at dayer el salib with m3almak aoun hehehe…:P
u r a silly blind follower Mr ali!!
25. Mohammad | July 7th, 2007 at 2:54 pm
Rodge
100% agree.
26. Sokhoushmoush | July 9th, 2007 at 1:19 pm
Joe be polite a li’l bit!
27. @li 1559 | July 10th, 2007 at 1:59 am
Sokhoushmoush
Let him bark bro , AL KALEB LI BI3WI MA BI3D !
…. There are some good ppl in here so leave him barking ..
28. Sokhoushmoush | July 11th, 2007 at 3:15 am
But their bark is bothering others.
Please Wait
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