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Do we look stupid ???

Posted by N10452

I have been following the updates of the Nahr el Bared since day1, and supported fully and unquestionably the Lebanese Army in its decision to storm the camp and kill those terrorists. More than 80% of the Lebanese were supportive of the Army’s decision and have expressed it in several ways.

Yet there is a very worrying factor here, which is making people lose interest in supporting the army and is making them question their capability, which is the Media reporting of that battle.

There is no question this battle is a very rough one, that the unexperienced and infiltrated and underequipped Lebanese army is not prepared for such a confrontation, that even Americans are having trouble fighting such groups, but let us be honest about those facts to the people and not claim victory while the battle is still at its peak.

Elias el Murr claimed victory more than two weeks ago, yet everyday we see more and more far from that victory and from the insights on the camp, it looks like it might take few months.

The people must be well informed, must stay motivated and supportive of the army, we cannot play it the “political way” in such sensitive issues, we all saw how public opinion turned on several leaders who mis-informed their people on the outcomes of wars.

Now to give you an example, i have been reading for weeks now that the army is within 50 meters from Fat7 el Islam, that victory is very close, that the militants are desperatly fighting, that there are none left etc etc … then you hear KATYOUSHA rockets were launched from the camp ! lol ..

Again our brave army men are fighting a decisive battle in Lebanon’s history, let us not turn the people against them.

How many “ma7awir” fi and how many buildings are there still left ? and how many militants are there still ?? Arent we cornering them from all sides ? Maybe there is a network of tunnels .. Did the Army check that ??

Here is a small list of the unclear informations we are getting ..

“اشتباكات محتدمة بين الجيش اللبناني وارهابيي فتح الاسلام على جميع محاور مخيم نهر البارد”

” استمرار القصف العنيف ومدرعات الجيش ومدفعية الميدان تركز على الجهتين الشرقية الغربية وحي الداموني”

“قصف مدفعي مركز يستهدف مختلف محاور مخيم نهر البارد”

انطلاق صاروخ من مخيم نهر البارد لم يحدد مكان سقوطه والجيش يرد بإمطار المنطقة التي انطلق منها بوابل من قذائف الهاون

الجيش اللبناني يتقدم باضطراد على محاور الجنوب والشرق والغرب في مخيم نهر البارد

الجيش اللبناني يقوم بعملية تنظيف واسعة للابنية التي سيطر عليها داخل مخيم نهر البارد من الافخاخ والالغام ويواصل هدم المباني المرتفعة التي يستخدمها الارهابيون في عمليات القنص

Filed under: Critiques, Lebanon, Political
Posted by N10452 on 07.14.07 @ 8:39 am |

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1. Rodge | July 14th, 2007 at 10:39 am

N,

You’re right in every thing you said in this posting, and as usual things aren’t always clear in Lebanon. But to add, many of the Catioucha missiles were launched from unknown locations, that could be out of the camp, with the Popular Front (Jabha Cha3bieh) the so called Kiyada 3amma as prime suspect.
I think the Army is fighting many parties within and out of the camp, and the price is too high till now, wich lead to a big question mark.
What is really happening. and what if the Army wants to control a whole camp not only a bunch of terrorist such as Fateh Islam.
And by asking what is really happening, i urge 8th of March followers not to start answering that those are Hariri’s fighters and the US plan etc… because it’s not the case and i believe Syria has everything to do in that matter.
The real problem in Lebanon now, is that the 14th of March people are still defending, while they should move to attack on the political side. We’re looking so damn weak, and it’s time to be the strongest
2. Johnny.B | July 14th, 2007 at 10:59 am

you’re right,

If in one camp and the army is still not able to take them out … what does this mean ??? does it mean allah yistor ma yifta7ou gheir jabha ??? coz if they did ya3neh the palastinans can take over lebanon with a blink of an eye guys …

moukhyyama wa7ad w ba3ed ma akhadou … ya3neh chi ktir bi tammen
3. ghassan K | July 14th, 2007 at 12:53 pm

My friends,
There is a difference between defending a very very dense area (Nahr Al-Bared - old camp) and taking over Lebanon (don’t be scared, even during the civil war, no group could take over the country militarily). Go to google earth and see how dense is the area!!!

Second, there are a lot of booby traps all over the camp. The Army prefers to take his time rather than having more than 500 soldiers killed. Don’t rush the Army!!!

Third, after the “new camp” was taken over (it is less dense but has high rise buildings, the Army was hoping to have the Palestinians to take care of Al-3absi gang. Well, things did not work according to their wishes and in addition Al-gebha Al-she3beia (Ahmad Jibriel) joined Al-3absi gang.

Lastly, the old camp is full of tunnels connected together in addition to what they developed by cutting into walls through building so they will not be seen.

By the way, have you ever fought in a dense urban area? Even Israel with its 5 tons missiles from the air couldn’t take over Jennin camp in West Bank until it COMPLETELY demolished it!!!

Give the Army the flexibility to conduct its mission and they are in the trenches and they are trying their best.
4. ghassan K | July 14th, 2007 at 12:57 pm

Oh, I forgot to say that the Army tried its best not to harm the civilians.

Below links to a coulpe articles.

http://www.mg.co.za/articlepage.aspx?area=/breaking_news/breaking_news__international_news/&articleid=313950

http://www.boston.com/news/world/middleeast/articles/2007/07/14/army_pounds_lebanon_camp_soldier_deaths_near_100/
5. JoseyWales | July 14th, 2007 at 3:33 pm

No we don’t, but Elias el Murr looks very stupid.

The press also looks very stupid. People don’t have enough info on a crucial matter.

I’ve said before: we need daily press briefings from a serious army guy, not the bullshit communiques.

Same from the gvmnt who will release info to Kuwaiti papers and the League of Arab morons but won’t tell us anything.

Any wonder that rumors abound and are believed and the PR war is always lost by M14 and the state?

Is it normal that we hear that the US and Hariri are arming the thugs and there is no pic of, nor questions for, Hezbo/Amal guy heading the Surete Generale??? (and other intelligence failures).
6. bachir-7ay-fina | July 14th, 2007 at 3:48 pm

F16 in 10mn w btekhlas kenit
7. bachir-7ay-fina | July 14th, 2007 at 9:35 pm

Ken badda el HK heide el ma3rake.
8. waha wera | July 15th, 2007 at 12:02 am

if its true that the civilians have now been evacuated then it should be relatively easy to drop some homemade napalm (if USA wont give any) on to the remaining area under the terrorist control. burn em out.
9. Marco K | July 15th, 2007 at 12:29 am

MAN YOU’RE GR8!! YOU SHOULD WRITE IN INTERNATIONAL NEWSPAPER
10. @li 1559 | July 15th, 2007 at 2:17 am

Impeach sanioura

It is time that the opposition act to move towards the impeachement of president sanioura . Never in the history of our country has there been so many acts against the well-being of our country than with Mr. sanioura , not even during war time and the syrian-israeli occupation. This is ridiculous and what’s more rediculous is , blaming the syrians for everthing !

His work to deceive the lebanese public and to use the power of the office to establish a personal power base in ways that violate the guinding principle of this country are mysterious . He represents corruptions at its most! Look at our soldiers dying because of his fata7-islam gang ! Why lack of action?

It is time to put aside fear and take actions. This is imperative . Their thugs attacked us in tari2 jdide , they attacked our innocent youth (mark houwayek) , and then blamed us for it?? I dont know what you’re waiting on general ?! I dont know why you’re being nice sayyid hassan?? They calling you terrorist , then why not showing them what a real terrorist is like? Why being nice to them ? We need to take ation ASAP in order to protect our country ! IZA MA KOBRIT MA BTIZGHAR . Otherwise , we can call ourselves ; IRAQIS .

At last , one advice to all the fpmers , watch your back guys . Nchala , we are victorious , victory will be ours , we do deserve it . Time for truth .
11. Fad14 | July 15th, 2007 at 7:25 am

Ali: Here are your options for next action

1. Grow a beard like that of Sayed Hassan and hide in a bunker underground till this is over,

2. Pass in Tari2 Jdideh and get beaten again. its not your neighborhood so go to Dahyeh, no one goes there anyway, Oh I forgot, no universities there, only training camps.

3. Run away to France, the embassy is open for fast running coffee lovers.

4. Resign, Oh i forgot again, you did that you lazy $%#, you were only there for the money and not to do work.

5. Go to Iran, Its shiaa land and now there is also Iraq for you, go riot there, blow each other up, protest and you can beat your heads with knives everyday. Its allowed.Its ashoura land after all.

Last word, Lebanese army is not for FPM or HA: Aoun ran away leaving them to die after he got the urge for coffee, REMEMBER how many of them died only the LAST day because he refused to surrender.
HA have an army of their own, why don’t they start cleaning up the camps near them????
12. Johnny.B | July 15th, 2007 at 8:19 am

@li 1559

you said: “It is time to put aside fear and take actions.”

7ilou aret nazariyyeit min b3id la b3id
13. Rodge | July 15th, 2007 at 11:07 am

Fad & Johnny,

Bravo Chabeb, u did the necessary regarding @li, but u forgot to mention that he lives in the US as he said before, so we shall ask him what the hell he’s doing there, and why not in Dahyeh or Rabieh. Ali, when u said, and i quote “Never in the history of our country has there been so many acts against the well-being of our country than with Mr. sanioura”, why don’t you mention Lahoud. why you always forget Lahoud, he’s in power also, and he was the one and only for 7 years before, and was directly or indirectly responsible for lots of disasters. Should i remind you of these diasters??? also, u’re once again defending the Syrians, it’s like u can’t hide ur true feelings, and i should tell you in conclusion, that the truth shall rise in the end, and when it does, neother Hassouna not Generalak will have any role in Lebanon. the Shia’s will not stay blinded all their lives, cause in the end, they will choose what’s best for Lebanon, not for Syria or Iran. Just look how the Shias in Bahrain reacted lately to Iran’s statements. Lebanese Shias will follow soon and will know that only their legal Government and representatives are truly working for their sake.
14. @li 1559 | July 16th, 2007 at 8:21 am

Fad14

What’s your prb man?? Dont express your hatred in order to run away from the truth . Also , you are a very weak debeating others, you always bring the value down by switching the subject from politics to religion ! Did you realize that? Dont lose your temper while posting , keep the filthy hatred inside you. It seems like TA3WADET 3LAYE DEYMAN MARI2LAK ! bass hala2 ra7 binzal la your level w jewbak 3la mousstawek, Ready? Open your ears for some reality mate , BIL 3rabe sounds better :

1, I dont need to grow beard la2ino im a very successfull business man , w sayid hassna (hayda li ahrak hala2d ) mano mkhaba la bi joura wla ta7et al ared w adam ibno chahid lal watan on the BATTEL FIEDL , kell al 3lam bta3ref min liken ta7et al ared bi wizaret al dife3 laman chabebo keno 3m yeklo ATTEL we fara2 CHATTEL, hayda iza ma inta akalet attle kamen ….

2, Tari2 jdide ? what do you know about it ? ana iben al manta2 w ba3ref min hine ahel tari2 jdide , lesh are you welcome there? Back in the 90.s ken fi mobarat 7IKME VS ANSAR , 2 7ikmewiye akalo attlo la meto , kell awa7d alak @ least 50 sikine , tarakouwon bil ared ma 7adan lamon , meto w laman meto IJA WA7AD FALLASTIZE ISSMO ABU OMAR BAZA2 3LA THEIR BODIES, ….. wle laman keno al fallastinye bi3zon ayem al MOURABITOUN , laman keno 3m bi khao2 fikon 3la mi7war al mat7af , nabih berri (back then) massa7 al ared fiyon in less than 24 hours ya fadi , akalon la7em kleb back then ! K O YA FADI, wel bil ekhir al mourabitoun N7ALLO wen TAHO bala raja3! ou3 tfakir HA ma adrin YKASSRO tari2 jdide 3la rass li fiya , bass ma badon ya fadi…. kell moubarat nejmeh anssar , ahel tai2 al jdide yekllo attle ….

3, Run away to france? ma 7adan harab ya fadi, ba3to wara 3l saffara.. jabarou ya habibi …. BA3SSOU al americans mitel ma ba3ssso ma3lmak jeajea!

4, Resign ! walla hayda the law , al wa7ad fi yissta2il anytime… hayda balad democrate mich mamlake (kingdom)

5, Hone inta ktir kharbatet , ana ma 3m bijik min montala2 chi33 bass iza heke badak ti7ke (ta2ifiye) lesh inta ma bitrou7 3la MEXICO where the uneducated catholic (like chiaa) are putting themselves 3la al CROSSSSSSS? dareb massemir bi idayom w rasson? kell sine bimoutlo chi 10, tfehhh ya ma7la 3shoura w bin laden , walla hayda al media bitghatih? Philipine adrab w afak ra2be kamn , bi7otto al salib 3la dahron w bibalcho mache? What do you call that? 7ADARA? pfttttttttttt….

Abel ma HA ynadfo al camp lesh inta ma bitnadif NABA3?

YALLA , try harder ya ibne , rou7 bmaro2 1000000000000 3la tarzak DAILY!

you wanted it this way , so live with it…
15. @li 1559 | July 16th, 2007 at 8:26 am

Rodge

eh bravo chabeb ! byi7ko trash , bass inta khalik classic ! ma hek?

7ilo , i like your style …..

SG ken ya3mol nafess al chi , ken yhane al chabeb 3la al majezir wel za3ranet , bass laman yotl3 3l tv ybalich yi7ke bi kell adab !

Yalla la ma3lak tali3 !

Very smart , hayde al managment style 7ilo ktir ….
16. @li 1559 | July 16th, 2007 at 8:27 am

Johnny

You got it boy khaye bada nazariyet al ossa…

Take care now…
17. @li 1559 | July 16th, 2007 at 8:28 am

1000 SA7A W 3FIYE FAD14 , binsa7ak matred , coz ba3dne 3m salik ….
18. Johnny.B | July 16th, 2007 at 8:46 am

@li 1559,

ma3 i7tirami la 7adertak ,,, bass when u replied tp rodge ,,,, you can talk about everything except style and tihzib la2ano generalak la mhazzab bi siyyeisto wala 3al t.v … her are some quotes from him :

“n2il3ou ba2a”
“minou hal 7ayawein”
“inti wa7ad 7irta2ji”
and so on and so regardless of shouting and screaming …

hayda what we see on t.v

what you dont see is the massacre that he caused by leaving the army dead behind him in baabda for emile lahoud to step on their bodies… and what does he gives them ??? he gives his martyres this _|_ when he goes on live tv and denies he even have martyrs …
19. Fad14 | July 16th, 2007 at 9:50 am

To Ali Baba.

i am Sunni from Tariq Jdeideh,
My mom is Maronite from Ain el remmaneh.
My Father was Lebanese moukhabarat.
My uncles were Liut in LF
We lost 11 houses in the war.
1. Ishtirakieh
2. PLO
3. Israel
4. Qawmieh
5. Sourieh
6. Amal
7. Hizbulla
8-9-10-11: Aoun

My family lived in both sides of the war.
I saw the massacres done by Amal
I lost 2 cousins in tarik jdeedeh to them.
They were university students both who refused to join Amal.

Now Facts.
Try to pass in Tariq jdeedeh with a photo of Hassan Mastolah and see what will happen. last time you passed near tariq jdeedeh and you lost some punks.
then you got kicked out of the university and inshallah out of all beirut sooner or later.

Qum is your resting grounds and we will not rest till you go there. hopefully on stretchers.

As for you being a business man, now imagine if your business was in Beirut and you rely on it to feed your family and Hassouna wants to do orgy camps in your parking. Then talk democracy .
20. Rodge | July 16th, 2007 at 11:41 am

@li 1559,

I thought u’re a better when it comes to debate, and you accuse Fad?? akid bravo chabeb, because thay are deating logically, not like you do. You just said what you want, and u refuse others’ ideas, and when u wanna reply u just send some trash talking, without really replying to the main questions raised. I think i’ve raised many issues, but still no answer from you to any of these issues, which proves once more that u’re so weak in dialogue and that you should not have any place in this blog.
Now before u send any reply, try for once to be a little bit logic and answer questions and don’t be a blind follower. Read again my previous post, and if u cannot answer, i prefer never hearing from you o this subject. Maybe in other postings
21. Fad14 | July 16th, 2007 at 12:34 pm

Ali is a shiaa, who loves Aoun and who lives in America !!!!!

Do you go on marches there calling “al Mawto li Amweeeka” w Badna Aoun Wa’eees Lal Jomhouliyeh ?
22. Sokhoushmoush | July 17th, 2007 at 12:55 am

PLZ I urge all the LF-ers to respect posters who oppose 14 Feb or LF ,which includes Ali and myself.10q u vérie much!
23. @li 1559 | July 17th, 2007 at 4:00 am

Johnny

My general zalame 3sskare , what do you expect out of him? Badak yeh ykun eh ya albi w eh ya 3yni? walla s’il vous plais? Have you heard bush talking before?
al inssen al 3sskare byikhtlif 3n al inssen al madani , deyman tzakar hal chaghle ..

Malheureusement pour vous ouwet , ma btiztakaro ila li badkon yeh ….
24. @li 1559 | July 17th, 2007 at 4:22 am

Rodge

Agian, you are showing me another face of managment style (managment mood) by saying : which proves once more that u’re so weak in dialogue and that you should not have any place in this blog.

Are you trynna tell me what to do? Do you own this blog? I have the right to post anywhere I want ! This is democracy MR.RODGE ! And about you rasing subjects in here , let me tell ya this ; i have raised so many questions without any reply from you or your CHABEB ! I’m not a blind follower ya rodge, read my comment and you’ll figure…

Did you experience the failure syndrome yet ? I strongly beleive that your CHABEB ’s(fadi) mind has been saturated with thoughts of past failure ( 3i2de ) …

At last MR.rodge , I will be more than happy to debate you in here , but plz tell your CHABEB to keep the converastion in a good level , check comment # 21 by your CHAB fadi , IGNORANCE !

AL AMER LI (sg) and you say : bravo chabeb ! hehehehehe les dix-heures ma hek …

Thank you for you valuable time MR.rodge .
25. @li 1559 | July 17th, 2007 at 4:41 am

Fad14

2ltilak dont reply back bass ma sm3it al kilme so here :

Ana kamen 3ichet ma3 both sides and i know what it is like….

Your cousin refused la ykouno amal? leh since when amal fiya sinniye??????? ma 3da very few ones! Amal farjitkon njum al dohor , wem ma3lmak CHEKIR AL BIRJEWE/IBRAHIM 2LAYLET HARABO mitel li kleb , tarako chabebon yekklo attle laman hine keno 3l tayyara harbenin (aoun’s style ):D ! Got you boy , you dont have to say it , i did !

Now facts

You are funny , inta 3njad mfakar ino HA ma keno addrin yfouto 3la 1km*1km area? You must be kidding me now hehehehe , wle ma iza filto 3laykon zo3ran al da7yeh min maylet al madineh al riyadiyeh, w nizlo laykon zo3ran amal min maylet barbour/ barbir / mssaytbe walla la yntfoukun …

YOU SAY :Qum is your resting grounds and we will not rest till you go there. hopefully on stretchers! and i say : IGNORANCE !

ama regarding the camps , I personally dont agree on them …. lezim ychillouwon !
26. @li 1559 | July 17th, 2007 at 4:46 am

Hellpfully this is the end of it coz N10452 doesnt have time for shit like this….

Cut it short , no one is perfect , we have to live 2gheter whether you like it or not .

Enough is enough , i hope foreigners dont read this blog…
27. Johnny.B | July 17th, 2007 at 8:01 am

@li 1559,
iza insein 3askari, let him leave politics coz manna la ilo …

ba3dein this shows how much l-mou2assasseh l3askiriyeh keinit khirbein 3a iyyeimo … ma 3allamito self respect w respect for others
28. Johnny.B | July 17th, 2007 at 8:02 am

sorry for the above thing i dont know what happened :S can u please delete them n10452
29. Rodge | July 17th, 2007 at 12:19 pm

@li 1559,

Look man, i can debate you as much as you want, as long we have good replies in return.
First i was giving you an advice not telling you what to do when i said don’t come here, in fact u’re more than welcome, in fact u’re posing a challenge and keeping things alive.
Second, the guys are not my Chabeb, we’re not in school, and i’m sure they are better persons than me, aall i’m doing is supporting them, the same way they do, and please don’t try to play the devil.
And last, i still didn’t get any answer, butlet’s forget about it in this posting, and move on to the next postings, and i’m ready to answer any questio you like, but in return, i hope i could have some from you as well.
30. N10452 | July 17th, 2007 at 10:32 pm

Ma t3eeda Johny b
31. Sokhoushmoush | July 18th, 2007 at 2:43 am

Johnny ,General Aoun respects the ones who deserve respect ,people who don’t steal and kill for their own interests.
32. Johnny.B | July 18th, 2007 at 8:00 am

Sokhoushmoush,

l-sa7afiyeh byisir2ou w byi2itlou for their own interest ?
33. @li 1559 | July 18th, 2007 at 6:40 pm

Rodge

Ok deal .

Thank you for replying…
34. Sokhoushmoush | July 20th, 2007 at 1:09 pm

Johnny u’r right GMA has not the right to disrespect the journalists ,that’s a mistake.

I propose the February 14 group to find this as an excuse for rejecting GMA to become the President.

Why General Aoun doesn’t deserve to be the president?
Feb14:Because he disrespects LfBC reporters.
35. Maher | July 23rd, 2007 at 2:08 pm

Ya shabeb, rou20 3ala ba3ed. At the end we are all Lebanese, maybe the political situation now in Lebanon enforces us to be divided into March14 and March 8, but no one of 2 groups can ignore the other. For that, we should be unified all Sunni, Shiei, masi7i what ever. Just go in your memories and remember the civil war in Lebanon do you want us to go back to these days? Let us unified together and keep walking on the road of prosperity and success that Mr. Hariri planned and worked to achieve the Lebanon that all real Lebanese want.