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• 1. ghassan karam | May 30th, 2008 at 12:22 am

  Why should I give any thought to whether this tribe won and that sect lost? Aren’t these exactly the wrong questions if one is to build a modern democratic atate? I always thought that only one thing matters: Is a particular development good for Lebanon or not? You see if something is good for Lebanon then it is good for all its inhabitants but if a policy is designed to benefit a sect then that does not need be beneficial to the community at large.
  We need to stop looking at developments through the narrow and destructive sectarian lens.Lebanon will never advance and prosper if we cannot, all of us, stop this practice of measuring things in sectarian terms. It is a destructive, unproductive, reactionary, bankrupt, discriminatory and divisive method of personal identification.
  I do not give a damn who you pray to or how you pray but it is of great concern to me if you subscribe to the ideas of statehood, sovereignty, personal freedom, equality justice and human rights.
  I found your post vey disturbing and offensive.

• 2. Leb4Life | May 30th, 2008 at 12:30 am

  ghassan i agree with u .
  all what they care about is if their hakim lost or won . his win at the expense of lebanese rights is a good win for them as long as it is a win for their hakim’s personal interests .
  shame on u ewatjiyyi. u now belong to the group of the “a7zeb el athariyyi” . join the line after kataeb, ahrar, and ketli.

• 3. Fuziyad | May 30th, 2008 at 12:33 am

  we can see that genius4life fully understood what ghassan karam was saying…

  I think aounies definitely carry the hope of a new lebanon…

• 4. N10452 Habibe | May 30th, 2008 at 12:49 am

  N,

  I think by being devided as christian! allah najjanah!

  beleive me…

• 5. Patrick | May 30th, 2008 at 12:50 am

  i agree 100% about the sunni extremists… everyone knows the salafists are against us christians just as much as they’re against hezbollah.

• 6. Elie.F. | May 30th, 2008 at 1:25 am

  TAYYIB W EKHIRTA SHOO YI3NI ?3ATEENI MNIL EKHIR YA N.

• 7. Leb4Life | May 30th, 2008 at 2:24 am

  fu(tbi)ziyad. u guys are the last to talk about understanding because if ur 3isabi understands, they will disapear and never come back to politics and pretend to protect the christian security . if u understand, u will know that the christians are fed up with ur militia and they don’t want anything to do with u nor ur criminal gang leader . ppl are sick of ur ja3ja3a.

• 8. ceg | May 30th, 2008 at 2:42 am

  In a perfect world Ghassan we can have a sovereign and democratic and non-sectarian country like you speak of, and I used to say this about Lebanon as well, but fact is we don’t live in perfect world, and fact is without a sectarian power sharing system I don’t see Christians in Lebanon to have any rights or freedoms whatsoever. Look at other countries in the Mid East. Leb4life your just an Aounie and don’t care about Christian rights or Lebanon as long as your maniac general has some say or power in the country, had he really cared for Christians he would have never made the alliances he made in these past 3 years. Also, every political leader is criminal in some respects in Lebanon but I’d rather have Geagea although he is proving to be more and more useless and ineffective these days because although he is getting rich off our backs, he is to me a true defender of Christians over Aoun or Frangieh, other than that I have no comments for you. In general I think for Lebanon to survive and most importantly the Christians, sectarian power system needs to stay in place, that’s my opinion guys and I’m sticking to it…

• 9. bsm | May 30th, 2008 at 2:47 am

  N, you seriously need to reconsider who you let write on ur blog. Its one thing to have a conversation related to ur topics, but to have ppl just write and bash us is another thing. I have allot of friends stop reading cuz of garbage you allow to comment. i dont want to be one of them. god bless…

• 10. TheCourtFool | May 30th, 2008 at 3:57 am

  euh, no.
  This post is way out. It’s not true. Not true at all. First Sleiman is A Balanced and Direct president.

  The more the two camps disagree, the more powerful he gets.

  Like you said, the Doha agreement was a forward approach in regard to Lebanese Christian representation in which Lebanese Christians rightfully deserve.

  When you say… “however the Christian leaderships are more divided than ever ..” It’s because of the Lebanese Forces and el Tayyar that the Christians are Divided. And when I said last weeek on This Blog, it’s all about the 2009 Elections, and commentor right after me ridiculed me.

  I state again, all actions coming till 2009 elections are to point to the public that our insane politicians are good afterall.

  I say, Vote For New Faces. New Blood. Geagea is out of Prison and Aoun is back, let them live as normal Citizens. Our society can emerge much better Lebanese Christians to represent us.

• 11. Leb4Life | May 30th, 2008 at 5:42 am

  ceg
  please mention to me one thing ja3ja3 did since he became the gang leader of the ewet which was good for the christians of lebanon. just one thing. one battle, one maw2af . JUST ONE.

• 12. 3amo Kevin | May 30th, 2008 at 7:55 am

  Its a shame that the christians are divided, any sect or country that is divided is rendered weak. bsm, if u dont like the comment then dont read them. one can read a blog without having to check the comments. The one thing that scares me is sunni extremists, because no1 is safe from them. no1! theyll attack anyone different from them and as we see in Iraq theyre not an easy for to get rid of, even the US army is having trouble.

• 13. Elie.F. | May 30th, 2008 at 8:15 am

  Shi3i4life,
  جميل عندما يبسّط “فلّة الرابية” الامور: “جوهر الخلاف في المرحلة الماضية فؤاد السنيورة وهو يعاني مشاكل شخصية مع كل الناس”، ولكن ما أن تطأ قدما السنيورة الرابية حتى تنفرج أساريره.

  نعم. وينتشي خياله كونه مدرجا على جدول رؤساء الوزراء السابقين، ولكنه يشعر بالتفوق عليهم: فهو رئيس حكومة وحامل ست حقائب في آن. أنسيتم؟!

  يسارع قبل مغادرة السنيورة الى اعطائه “فلة”، وسرعان ما يندم.
  يندم ، نعم يندم ولو لمرة، فالسنيورة لا يستحق ان يرمى ولو “بوردة”!!!

  ولكن ما ان يشاهد “صاحبه المهضوم” وئام وهاب، وميشال “سماحة السيد”، و”أسعد حردان بالدني” اذا لم يطرح اسمه وزيراً مجدداً، و”ناصر قنديل سوريا” ظالمة كانت ام مظلومة، وباقي رفاق الجنرال في مسيرته النضالية من اجل السيادة والحرية والاستقلال، يهددون جورج بوش ويتوعدون بتصغير “الشرق الاوسط الكبير” ويلعنون فؤاد السنيورة “فتى رايس المدلل”، حتى تشتعل فيه الثورة. وتعود له ذاكرته. فيكرر أنه سيكون “حرس الثورة” في الحكومة العتيدة، الثورة “العفيفة والنظيفة” التي شهداتها بيروت. نعم، سيكون “حرس الثورة” الايرانية في حكومتنا الوطنية.

• 14. Fuziyad | May 30th, 2008 at 9:20 am

  Courtfool, I agree with your idea that the Christians need to generate a new political class. Do you have any proposals of names that would deserve to represent us, I think that would be an intersting debate we could all have…

• 15. Rodge | May 30th, 2008 at 11:59 am

  We would all like to generate a new political class, but this is Lebanon, and I don’t see that new faces will be better than the old ones.

  It’s because our political system, which will turn any straight person into a bad politician. What we need is to change our system, to change what Lebanon was built upon, the lie of 1943, followed by many lies on different stages through the years.

  To add, I think our former politicians were better than those we have now, and to realize that, just make a comparison and you will see for urself.

  We had Hamid Frangieh - now we have Sleiman Zghir.
  Pierre Gemayel vs Amine.
  Moussa Sader vs Berri and Hassouna.
  Fouad Chehab vs Aouni & Lahous
  Bashir Gemayel vs Samir Geagea.
  Camille Chamoun vs Dori.
  Raymond Edde vs Carlos
  Saeb Salam vs Saad Hariri
  Kamal Jumblatt vs Walid
  Majid Arslan vs Talal & Wi2am Wahhab

  There are many others, and I will explain the difference between both sets of leaders.

  Our former leaders were all patriots, and their only concerns was Lebanon, despite the differences and some mistakes. But at least they have done what they found best for their country, and they have always agreed to dialogue and never went to a low level. Also they had their decisions in their hand, they were strong and tough.

  As for the current leaders, some of them are filthy, the others are weak, many are following other countries and depend on them, and some don’t even deserve to be called politicians.

  In conclusion, we need to negociate a new political system, in which neither Christians nor Muslims will lose, they will all win, or else they are all losers.

• 16. JD DC | May 30th, 2008 at 12:10 pm

  If the two main Christian parties and leaders Ouwet & Tayyar play it smart, a positive outcome can emerge from their being into 2 different political camps.

  What I am trying to say is that the LF and the Tayyar should make use of their positions in the 14 and 8 march coalitions to strengthen the Christians.

  Every party on its own should try to get the most from their allies, always thinking about the greater good of the Christians, and not the direct good of the specific party.

  Now in the same line of thought, Aoun can start by demanding from his allies HA that the 2 maronite seats in Deir El 2a7mar be Elected by the Christians and not the Shi3a.
  And that for the Greater Good of the Christians.

• 17. Free | May 30th, 2008 at 12:22 pm

  JD
  te7leel mati2i???? !!! walla u should be a political analyst in the white house.
  let me clarify something for u .
  what aoun did in doha in order to gain the new electoral law ur ja3ja3 baddou sneen w sneen and he can’t do . aoun worked for christian rights and he made it work . but what was ur ja3ja3 doing? he was sitting in the reception all time begging for news from upstairs . also, during his last 3 years out of jail in the wrong place all what he was doing is working for the wahhabi and hariri and jombi interests . trust me, christians are fed up with ur ja3ja3 because he is useless. he brought destruction to amn el mojtama3 el masee7a .
  by the way, do u work as a political advisor for ur ja3ja3? maybe this explains why all what he says makes ppl think he lives in a different world.

• 18. Free | May 30th, 2008 at 12:26 pm

  hehe the joke of the day : ja3ja3 wants 5 ministry seats in the new government in order to equal aoun .
  like who the f*ck he thinks he is? and on what basis he is asking for that? is this guy for real?
  ennou whatever aoun wants now ja3ja3 wants? this guy is worse than a 6 year old kid.
  i feel sorry for hariri . now he has to satisfy ja3ja3, amin, nayla, boutros harb, as well as carlos eddi and dori chamoun. i heard carlos eddi demanded 3 seats as well.
  waaaaaaaaaaaahhhhaaaaaaaaahhahhhaaaaaaaaaa .

• 19. Free | May 30th, 2008 at 12:29 pm

  ok ya characters .
  this is the last time i visit this page . i will miss u all . u used to make me laugh . but well, life goes on . i have a plane to catch to lebanon.
  i will probably visit this site in 2009 , just after the elections ta zarrekelkon shway.

• 20. Rodge | May 30th, 2008 at 12:44 pm

  Free on #17

  This is the best news I heard today, but you should have better recognized that u’re running away because you couldn’t achieve anything from your non sense comments, and u’ve been so disappointed from urself, considering that u can win ur debate here in the same way you do at the Orange room.
  Anyway, u’re not the first to flee, and u will not be the last.

  So go and have a good life, and I hope you will wake up one day to find out that u were wrong.

• 21. Rambo | May 30th, 2008 at 12:47 pm

  A community that can’t produce anything better than Aoun and Geagea, is a community that deserves what it has.

• 22. Ibn Lebnen | May 30th, 2008 at 3:09 pm

  I bet no Aouniyyeh can mention one good thing about Aoun without saying the words, “Geagea” and “at least he isn’t”..

• 23. Amir in Tel Aviv | May 30th, 2008 at 3:18 pm

  “…It is assuming HA can attack us anytime, thats why we need to sign with him a deal that he might or not respect just to keep him away”.

  Do you believe that Leb Christians can defend themselves.?
  If not, then Mr A’wn is right and Dr Geagea is recklessly wrong.
  That is why, until Leb. Christians are prepared, trained and ready for any scenario, Leb Christians should follow the A’wn way.

  A’wn looks at the world through a riffle sight. He’s a military man (and not a ex-militia-man, ex-warlord). Militarily speaking, if-you-cannot-beat-them-join-them.
  .

• 24. WEK | May 30th, 2008 at 4:10 pm

  “Militarily speaking, if-you-cannot-beat-them-join-them.”

  Amir you are right, that is Aoun’s viewpoint.

  But I refuse to give in to anyone especially Iran just because they were able to create a terrorist organization with a goal of taking over my country.

  NEVER

  So to correct your statement, non-militarily speaking but as a statesman, Live free or die trying.

  Wanabka

• 25. wage slave X | May 30th, 2008 at 4:18 pm

  amir from tel aviv,

  “if you can’t beat them, join them”?

  so in other words, what you are saying, ha is the enemy and christians should succumb in order to avoid retribution? very defeatist don’t you think?

  but on a brighter note, you did admit that ha is the threat. now let’s talk about your analysis of the methods:

  aoun did not just sign an mou with ha, but he went on attacking and discrediting the other christian factions.

  wouldn’t it be wonderful if fpm approach lf and others and sign another muo? fpm & lf have more in common than others, so why wouldn’t that be possible.

  the minute you say “join them” it means that you approve their “protection”, until of course, further notice. when is this further notice due? i don’t even see a sign of it. in fact, all you could see is more self-defeatism and compliance.

  christians do not need protection, they need unity. this is what i gathered from what everyone says here on this blog. and until then, yes aoun is looking through the riffle sight, but the problem is that he’s holding the riffle from the wrong end.

• 26. JD DC | May 30th, 2008 at 4:36 pm

  Amir in Tel Aviv ,
  “do you believe that Lebanese Christians ca defend themselves”

  Fact 1- Hizballah entered Beirut and the city contains opponents and allies to HA.

  Fact2- HA’s opponents in Beirut are not that skilled in the arts of war, and the terrorists were able to take over the city in minutes with practically no casualties.

  Fact3- HA entered the Chouf where they have also political opponents and allies.

  Fact4- HA’s militants were Butchered in Chouf and suffered severe casualties even thought they used heavy artillery. (pictures of the butchered HA men in Chouf upon request)

  Fact 5- HA did not dare to enter the Christian areas where they also have opponents and allies. For the simple fact that they knew that the loses they suffered in Chouf will be exponentially multiplied if they aroused the LF chabeb. Who, had already sprayed their guns, counted their bullets and kissed their loved ones and were ready to die before seeing the first yellow flag in their streets.

  So Amir, to answer your question.
  yes we believe that us Christians can defend ourselves, but till this moment, we r still betting on the army to do its job, and if the army ever fails to stop a barbaric invasion of our streets, there will always be el Rife2, and trust me, blood will flow.

• 27. Son of Ehden | May 30th, 2008 at 5:18 pm

  I really do enjoy reading the different comments on this blog. We surely need a new christian leadership. Both Geagea and Aoun are utterly useless. No one claimed back the Christian rights in Doha. Both Hariri and HA gave back to the christians so their allies look good. I feel so sad that we are very divided and yet we share the same destiny and fate.

  Free: Aoun never did anything for us (zghertewiyi) let alone all of the christians. I will agree with you that Sleiman Frangieh has done a lot for our area so did Nayla Mouawad. Just from personal experience: Three years ago, someone we know needed assistance from the ministry of Health. We contacted the office of Frangieh and he took care of it. His people knew that we never vote for him and the person they helped lived and worked in Beirut. So there was no gain at all for the elections. I disagree with Sleiman Frangieh political alliances but the guy does serve his constituents. Again, i do disagree with his political alliances but i try to give each person his fair share. Jumblat also does a lot for his are but i am sad to say that Aoun did nothing for Kesrouwan and Jbeil and the same applies to Geagea and Besharri. They are too busy fighting over the chair than to help their respective areas.

• 28. Jean | May 30th, 2008 at 5:38 pm

  Tell me, why would Hizballah pressure Aoun to accept the 1960 law when the 1960 is AGAINST Hizballah’s interest?

• 29. Testament | May 30th, 2008 at 6:08 pm

  I totally understand the moderation

• 30. VOR | May 30th, 2008 at 11:06 pm

  Aoun had his chance to be a uniter among the christians and he just blew it with his self serving strategy of trying to get to the presidency at all costs including signing up to be Nasrallah’s little pal. I give credit to the hakim for trying to play straight, but he too has a huge ego and ambitions that collide with those of the “3amid”. The christians do need a new brand of leaders but I have to side with Ghassan above, in order to build a new country where everyone can feel secure, we have got to look past sectarianism and start to embrace the idea of a secular system were all citizens enjoy the same rights regrdless of quotas and other crap that has badly divided this nation since 1943.

• 31. Elie.F. | May 31st, 2008 at 1:17 am

  JEAN,
  HA accepted the law of 1960 because it did not touch any single seat in his areas. marje3youn and hasbaya are still together, b3albeck and hirmel also, and west bekaa with rashayya. and the most important is the B3abda district where he has 23000 shi3a voters.
  comprende?

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