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Army Day … what army ??

Posted by N10452

I was hesitant on writing about the Army day and i eventually didnt. I feel embarassed about even mentioning our army as it is the most failed institution the country has witnessed.

Let me be clear first that i have a lot of respect for many army men, who enrolled to serve their country and showed great bravery and commitment in many battles ( last one Nahr el Bared ). Many fell down during this battle and after it, Francois el Hajj was one of them, a brave clean & committed commander who was a victim of this failed institution and its head at the time (currently president of the Republic unfortunatelly, Michel Suleiman.

In his word to the soldiers, Suleiman said 2 days ago :
سليمان للعسكريين: سلاحكم يجب أن يعانق سلاح المقاومة … وكل الوسائل متاحة ومشروعة لتحرير الأرض

Our weapons should embrace the “Resistance” ’s weapons !!

How insulting is it for an army to be called incompetent(indirectly) and incapable of liberating its own land ? How insulting is it for an army not to be able to protect its own people ??
How disrespectful is it for a militia leader to advise the army what battles are red lines and which arent ?

In 1958, Palestinians launched a war, the army stayed neutral and didnt protect the president of the Republic.
In 1969, the head of the army ( later president) ALLOWED non-Lebanese militias to make offensives on Israel.

In 1975, the army split after war erupted.
From the mid 70s till the mid 80s, the Lebanese Forces were doing the army’s job protecting the country against Syrians & Palestinians.
In 1989-1990, the army was split once again btw a group who wanted invadors to stay and others who were loyal to a freak general.

In 1990, the army was handed to a Syrian general ( Emile Lahoud).
From 1994 till 2005, the army was arresting any LEBANESE opposing the invadors ( Syrians).
From 1994 till 2005, the army intelligence was covering assassinations against Lebanese youth and politicians.
In 2001, the Army beat up its own people and arrested them.
In 2005, the Army was stopping LEBANESE from demonstrating for their independance.
In 2006, a militia ignored the existence of any army and launched a war on its own.
In 2007, the Army paid the price of political differences in Nahr el Bared and for the only time in its history, proved what few of its men are made of. Nonetheless, its most charismatic commander was assassinated as a result not to mention the opposing voices within the army to this battle.

In 2008, the Army was WATCHING & ASSISTING a terrorist militia invading Beirut and terrorizing its people.

As a result, the army head was congratulated for his ‘brave’ attitude and elected president.

Few days ago, that same person was asking its army to cooperate with an armed militia to protect its country.

So in 60 years of history, that army was headed by failed incompetent generals, and was never capable of protecting its own people, liberating its own land, stopping the assassinations etc etc ..

Does that make the army men incompetents ?? of course not ..
Many of the finest men & women are in that army, but similarly to our country, only incompetents & thiefs and ass lickers get to power, and if by chance any good person heads up the ranks, he get eliminated.

The solution ?
Unless we build a secular army independant from all other institutions, and arm it properly, it is better to remove that institution and replace it with internal security forces in every region.

Filed under: Critiques, Lebanon, Political
Posted by N10452 on 08.03.08 @ 7:59 pm |

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1. Rambo | August 3rd, 2008 at 8:05 pm

Walla ya N leish zi3len, he is the candidate of March 14 and samir geagea head of the LF supported and always was on TV saying Sleiman is march 14 cadidate. And the LF has 2 ministers in a government that will ok Hizballah and calls it a resistance. So you should question yur LF and its leader before talking about Sleiman. Sleiman never changed his position or political speech. It is the same since the Syrian were in lebanon. It is Geagea and the LF who always change. Hata their positions are now against what the LF stands for.
2. N10452 | August 3rd, 2008 at 8:10 pm

I critisized them ya Rambo, but this thread is about the army and those who feel pride in this army we have

I never critisized Sleiman, i know what he is made of ( too bad i cant much nowadays anymore since he s the president :D)

He ll revive the 7th of August 2001 wou btotla3 bi rasse :d
3. Ado | August 3rd, 2008 at 8:46 pm

N10452, i agree in some parts with you,and i think one the solutions to make an institutional amendment,that will not allow the Army Comander NEVEEEEEEERRRRRRRR to be elected president,so he won’t be involved in the political game,and since march 14 where so close to u.s.a why didn’t they asked to arm the country so they become stronger than hizbo….
4. jean | August 3rd, 2008 at 9:17 pm

Our army is usuless…We pay almost 70% of our budget for their salaries, chaufeurs and benzin for what?? For them to do a hajiz, hit us and put us in jail when we were resisting the syrians and best of all watch hizballah kill our people while they stand still…

The best thing the army did is the obligatory military service… This made me leave this silly country…

JS
5. paul | August 3rd, 2008 at 9:37 pm

N,you wrote what most people think.

Despite many changes, I still see our army
as the perfect slave,it masters sitting in damascus and it supervisors in da7ieh.

if the army and the mouSawama,will be official united, then the future will be bad
for all institutions of state lebanon,incl.the smurf village in rabyeh.
6. Josie | August 3rd, 2008 at 9:44 pm

WAIT WAIT WAIT,
“Francois el Hajj was one of them, a brave clean & committed commander ”

DUDE, he’s on your list of army commanders who were cooperating with hezbollah on black Tuesday. You’re article is funny, since you’re the same guy who gave such memorable post such as “Hayda jeish wla jeij”, just check the “Related Entries” to know how you really feel about the army, you’re two tongued
7. Mickel | August 3rd, 2008 at 9:52 pm

I don’t even know why our ‘army’ is called that.
They should be called trafic cops. All they do is stand on checkpoints and organize traffic.
And when push comes to shove, they stand on the sidelines and watch the country that they’re supposed to protect burn.

And whenever something happens deghre OU3A YON2OSIM L JESH, W AHAM CHI W7DIT L JESH W 5ARA 7MAR.
The problem is that soldiers’ –or most soldiers’– allegiance isn’t toward the army or the state, it’s to their religion or political party etc.

The army needs a complete overhaul and needs to get rid of some of its Syrian-sympathizer officers.
8. Mickel | August 3rd, 2008 at 9:55 pm

Paul the smurf village…l0l!
9. Mickel | August 3rd, 2008 at 9:59 pm

lek hal air

فرنجية: انا لست مع دمج المقاومة في الدولة، يجب ان تكون الدولة دولة والمقاومة مقاومة حتى الوصول إلى حل مشرف مع اسرائيل

21:52 فرنجية: أوافق قول عون حول بقاء سلاح المقاومة إلى ما بعد حل الأزمة الاسرائيلية – الفلسطينية

21:47 فرنجية: مشروع سعد الحريري هو مشروع والده أي التوطين

21:39 فرنجية: فكر رفيق الحريري السعودي لا يركب في لبنان

21:39 فرنجية: مشروع التوطين هو مشروع رفيق الحريري الأساسي والذي يهدف تقوية السنة على الشيعة
10. Rima | August 3rd, 2008 at 10:15 pm

Ya aynii aleik ya salloum ya mahdoum…bass yalli khallaf ma meit…yaaneh ya alla maakoul pierre jmayel and jubran yimouttou wi yibka hayk hakir ayech…eh walla hayda Zouloum…

As for the army, I think afddal yinkoussoum ahssan ma yirouhou daaas when Isreal hit Lebanon soon…
Cheers
11. PK | August 3rd, 2008 at 10:48 pm

The Lebanese Army is a group of people eating together at every Military Point.
12. Arze | August 3rd, 2008 at 10:52 pm

Why dont you ask your american friends or allies who loves us so much to send us some tanks and some planes and some patriot so that we can defend our country once and for all from all ennemies?
13. PK | August 3rd, 2008 at 11:00 pm

You had the most powerful Army and Resistance but guess who ruined it ?
14. Rima | August 3rd, 2008 at 11:13 pm

Ya arze in politics ma fi hada bi hib hadda…the 14th March leaders did not show strength and did not prove to the world that this army won’t side by HA if they send heavy weaponry…they are right…look now your army is becoming under hizbitzee iiicharra
15. mountain | August 3rd, 2008 at 11:27 pm

RIP LEB Army soldiers.

bas al jaysh baddo fatt khibiz mnih. political and militarily support should be given. else this institution should not exist. it costs us millions of dollars per year
16. Leb4Life | August 3rd, 2008 at 11:37 pm

rima are u truely a female? ur words don’t show it . shame on so called men who hide behind women. but i guess this is lf heridetary issue.
u ewatjiyyi have always been against the lebanese army . u faught it and u killed many of it. ur hakim showed all hatred towards this military org and then lately he says he is with army all the way as if now ppl believe what this freak says .
if u want to blame anyone for the army weakness then u should blame ur hakim because he is the one who fired at the army and killed many of it.
u fanatics do not believe in the army because u want ur own militia to rule but ma fashartou . the army will remain taj raskon and taj ras ur criminal so called hakim.
17. VOR | August 3rd, 2008 at 11:49 pm

N,

The army must be beyond political bickering in order for it to be effective, but unfortunately it isn’t. The army should be left out of politics and entrusted to protect all citizens living within the borders of the state of Lebanon. The fact that it has failed to do so, is a testimony to the divisions within, that is a direct reflection of the state the country is today.
18. Delta | August 4th, 2008 at 12:05 am

Leb4 life man go work with the CIA hay2tak a great investigator man barke byef2a3ouk chi sirmeye l 3amm ma ahbalak man
19. kezballah | August 4th, 2008 at 12:15 am

Leb4Life I think the one who is more to blame than Hakim for making our army weak today is Iskandar zou qarnayn because he fired at them 2000 years ago, so he attack them before Hakim that is why he is more responsible. Also Michel zou qarnayn (Aoun) made the army weak more than Hakim he doesn’t even ask for the kidnaped soldiers in Syria.
20. Mickel | August 4th, 2008 at 12:18 am

kbir ya Delta!

Arze how about your precious resistance gives ITS weapons to the army instead of us having to go beg for some in Europe and in the US.
21. Leb4Life | August 4th, 2008 at 12:32 am

delta i am not an ewatji to be an ahbal . the only hebel are u .
kezballah
at least u admitted that ur hakim fired at the army . thank u. as for the kidnapped soldiers in syria, aoun was the only one asking for their freedom in the past 18 years. now because the elections are coming next year, ur hakim is trying his luck with this matter by asking for them in case this gives him a few more votes because he needs them as his boss jombi and hariri will not be able to help him this time with the sunni and druze votes in order to win 4 seats . this time all what he has is a bit more than half bsharri votes which will give him 2 seats and that’s it. also, we heard that jombi will not allow adwan or any ewatji on his shouf list in 2009 because they will weaken the chances of his list winning.
22. Leb4Life | August 4th, 2008 at 12:36 am

kezballah
one more thing . during iskandar days there was no leb army . this guy attacked the peaceful cities and the ppl resisted the invador. they resisted because they have dignity.
but in 1990 the army was resisting the invasion of the syrians while ur hakim was opening the back door for them to enter the only left free region (east beirut) and to enter baabda palace. he was promised the presidency but he got a jail term . this time is is also trying to open the doors but i wonder what he will get for that !!!!
23. Rima | August 4th, 2008 at 12:39 am

Ya ahbalfor life Just because i say the truth and talk politics does not make me a man…shou yaani lazem ihki mittel haifa walla nancy hatta koun woman ya man…

You stupid christians follower of aoun…shou yaani you keep saying that Geagea is criminal what about Aoun…is he a saint?
Firstly Aoun khalla al sourieh moukhabaratieh enter the sharkieh
Secondly, he transformed some stupid Christians like yours into supporters of terrorists
Thirdly, shou yaani ‘la resistance’ is not against the army…did you forget what happens in Beirut to army’s officers and soldiers who defied the zaaran dahyie …instead of putting these zaaran in prison they put the officers?
Shaab ahbal
24. Rima | August 4th, 2008 at 12:52 am

very dangerous situation
read this

http://www.alseyassah.com/news_details.asp?nid=23982&snapt=???????

, كشفت اوساط حزبية في قوى 14″ آذار” المسيحية النقاب امس ل¯ “السياسة” , عن ان استخبارات ” حزب الله” و”الحزب السوري القومي الاجتماعي” و”التيار العوني” و” حزب المردة”, : تحاول عبر اختراقها المناطق المسيحية بواسطة ميشال عون خصوصا وجماعات سليمان فرنجية , رسم خرائط لمناطق انتشار ;القوات اللبنانية” و”حزب الكتائب” والاطراف المسيحية المستقلة الاخرى, جادة ” في البحث عما تدعي انها ” ثكنات عسكرية مسلحة اعيد انشاؤها في المدن والقرى المسيحية الجبلية والساحلية والمحاذية لبيروت, في اوسع عملية تجسس منذ توقف الحرب اللبنانية في مطلع التسعينات”.
25. kezballah | August 4th, 2008 at 1:46 am

Rima yalli byetla3 b 2idon yetla3 bi 2ejron they can’t create fake saydet najet anymore

Leb4Life were you born in 1990 when Aoun announced the 2ilgha war or you want to change history?

Sorry Geagea returned fire he did not get run over like what Hezbollah did in Beirut, that’s what FPM people like to see right?

Maybe Geagea he did not like being stabbed in the back after he helped Aoun in the war against the Syrians.

OK I am happy you went to Google and learned about Iskandar Maqdouny so I did a good thing for FPM education today I have now to understand how Geagea will open the door for Syrians while Aoun is drinking coffee with them and his msters Bashar and Mu3allem praise him day and night.. HMMM I think this will be hard to understand, I wish I went to the beach with paul
26. Rima | August 4th, 2008 at 1:54 am

Hi Kizballah…i love your name…

I am so worried about all of you guys in lebanon…I am following the news every day and i am not happy with HA on Sanine…I can’t beleive that our fellow christinas of sharkieh became like Judah selling Jesus for 30 dinars….disgusting
27. Leb4Life | August 4th, 2008 at 2:29 am

rima or whatever ur name is :
“…look now your army is becoming under hizbitzee iiicharra” . this comment was from u in number 12. i don’t think a respectful female uses such words. no need to talk like hayfa either.
u have no respect for anyone and certainly not for christianity because u claim the majority of them are stupids because they follow aoun. who do u want them to follow? ur criminal so called hakim? ppl are sick of ur war lord trust me. it’s not my fault if this is their choice . so i suggest u start respecting the christians and their choices. who knows, maybe a miracle happens one day and ur hakim gains majority then do u want the minority to say they are stupid for following him? have respect for others so that one day when u are worth respect then others can respect u.

kezballa
what is hard to understand is ur claim that ur so called hakim is the defender of beirut and aoun let syrians in. during the 1990 period i was in asr el sha3eb supporting the true leb patriotic leader while u and ur ewatjiyyi working on letting the syrians into east beirut just because u can’t stand the fact that ur ewet are manboozeen or rejected from the christian community. so u preferred to see syrians in asr b3abda rather than aoun. ur jealousy destroyed the christians and destroyed u . u never learn the lesson that ur ewet were destroyed the day aoun was defeated. u thaught u claimed victory but very soon after that we all know what happened to ur hakim and his ewet.
i sugget today in order to get more votes in 2009 elections u stop worrying about aoun because the more u attack him the more he gets sympathy from the population. this phenomena should make u realise how much ur so called ewet are accepted in the christian minds .
28. Rima | August 4th, 2008 at 3:12 am

Leb4death

you are clueless. So what is wrong with hizbeetzee icharra is that a swear? Many bloggers use Hizbeetzee and many other names….can someone enlighten me about the bad meaning of hizbeetzee?
so how can I respect my fellow Christinas if they sided by the mini state of Iran against their own country? look they are not the majority…you know that?
How can I respect them when they support the Syrian regime and the 8th of March who were behind the assassinations of many politicians journalist and May chidiac…?
How can I respect them when they bassatou in downtown Beirut like NAWAR and cause may businesses to go bankrupt? and the list will go on…

Geagea is not the only leader to follow…what about the solanje gemayel, what about amin gemayel, nassib lahoud(khawaja),shammouun…carlos edde and so on

By the way, HA are eventually mourtazaka they sold their blood to the Iranian devil…and if they mess with Israel this time…don’t expect the people of Beirut and Jabal and tripoli to yistakblououn bil ahdan…

I am not ouwet at all but I support them and support whoever support the hadara mich hamajieh like berri,nassrallah and aoun…ok?
Next time stop lecturing me about respectful woman…..you are rude to everyone on this site …
29. Mickel | August 4th, 2008 at 3:19 am

Rima

This guy is redicolus he has no logical arguments so he’s questionning your sex.

He’s not worth the effort, ignore him.
30. Rima | August 4th, 2008 at 3:20 am

Leb4death

are you telling Kizballah that Geagea prevented aoun from defeating the Syrians?
Don’t you know that Aoun decided to side by Saddam Hussein when the USA was fighting Saddam…?
Don’t you know that Syria played it smart with the Americans and sided by them against saddam, convinced the Arabs and the world that we cannot govern ourselves because of what that crazy aoun did? and Syria got Lebanon as a reward

I mean you say you are not aouni and then you defend him to al adem? I mean what kind of stupid logic is that?
31. kezballah | August 4th, 2008 at 3:37 am

Leb4Life it is sad you are changing history, I don’t think you are doing it I think you are repeating the fake history and brain washing. when Hitler made his coup he pictured it as throwing out corruption, when he turn on his friends he pictured it as cleaning the traitors, all the German people believed him and walk behind him to death, you remind me of this picture.

It is clear it’s too late to convince you, but maybe someone else is reading your words and he is not sure what is true, I want to answer for that person:

1. “My” Ouwet fought the palestinian since 1975 and stopped the Tawtin, but in 1975 they were manbuzin by many Christians as Leb4Life said, and of course the Moslems they hated them and they attack Bachir the same way now with Hakim.

2. “My” Hakim I don’t worship him but I respect the sacrifice he did almost getting killed many times fighting against Palestinians and Syrians. He made many mistakes and sins but the war on us was very dirty it was kill or get killed. Geagea never circled Ashrafie and Ayn Rumaneh and bomb them like Stalingrad, he always defended them and every place where the Christians were attacked.

3. The “East Beirut” that Leb4Life mention was free because of “My” Ouwet and “My” Hakim and all the martyrs from 1975 until 1990, it become occupied only 1 year after Aoun came to power.

There is 2 history books in the Christians community today unfortunately but one of them is wrong, it is the one written by Syria and Hezbollah and Iran and the coffee drinker who Syria praise. The Aoun history book will make all Lebanon like Da7yeh, full of arguileh and burning tire and Mullas and Syrian Mukhabarat.

So thanks Aounieh for advice about 2009, I also have advice to you if you win make sure you buy Tchadors for all the women in your family before the price go up!
32. kezballah | August 4th, 2008 at 3:43 am

Hi Rima, the situation is bad in Lebanon today but we have faith like always, in the war we had nothing except faith and love for Lebanon, we crush the Syrian army and throw them out of Achrafie and Zahle, we kicked Arafat and all the traitors in Lebanon who fight with him like Samir Kuntar the hero of Aoun.

We are not afraid even if we lose because we prefer to die with our head high than to live under the she77ata of Nasrallah and Bashar like Aoun the follower.
33. Rima | August 4th, 2008 at 3:52 am

Kizballah

I am worried because now unlike the past you have traitors from inside like cancer and can lead HA, kawmiyeh, Iranians and the like to all 14th march and other free people of Lebanon…
I am so upset with al Bayan Al wizarii because it sounds like HA was able to drag all Lebanon into his future war against Israel…there is a big war coming soon…There will be no tawlet Hiwar coz hizbalsatan will save his army by fighting Israel…
God be with you guys
34. Rima | August 4th, 2008 at 3:57 am

Leb4life

I am sorry if I offended you by saying Ahbal…but I pray that God will show yoou the truth and save you from people like HA and Aoun…My dad was an the army and during the war he used to defend Aoun but now he nidim ktiir…He is an old man and he does not feel ashamed of changing his political views…after all our life is what matters not any Zaaimm…just forget ouwet for now and just for a moment think about what Aoun and 8th March are doing…Do you honestly think it is good for Lebanon and you?

Cheers
35. Leb4Life | August 4th, 2008 at 5:30 am

kezballah
if any party wants everyone to wear tchadors in lebanon it is the salafiyyeen who are supported by ur hakim’s boss hariri and jombi. shoo did u forget ghazwet el ashrafiyyi? did u forget incidents of nahr el barid and the fdee7a of who was supporting them? did u forget that hezb el ta7reer was born the same day ur hakim was pardoned out of jail? what is hezb el ta7reer and who gave it the licence to exist?
before accusing aoun and hezballa of false things maybe u should go ask ur hakeem about the goals of the masters who pay him money to attack aoun and therefore make the christians weaker and weaker. ask him to stop being a day dreamer and wake up and face reality. hariri and jombi are now doing their best to make friends with hezballa and syria while ur hakim and those id*ots who rima counted in his/her previous comment ie jmayyil, edii, cham3oun and nasib lahoud. please tell me what do those puppets count in the formula. NOTHING.
rima if u accept to follow a NOTHING then alla ysahhellik and ame7 la takli (or takol) .
u can pray for me but at the same time i will pray for u to stop being blinded by a fanatic who makes a lot of promises and nothing of his promises comes true . all what he cares about is attack GMA. he should thank him because if it wasn’t for aoun’s insisting on the fair representation of each political party in lebanon ur so called hakeem wouldn’t have had the chance to participate in naming 2 wozara. so bla3ou el moous and accept ur situation because if u see urselves in the mirror u would die of laughter.

kezballa one more thing : u should read more history because u are conflicting between the current so called ewet and the bashir days ewet . the bashir days ewet are now called oudama el ewet . ur current so called hakeem’s ewet are no compare to them. find us someone like bashir and we will all follow . but i am sorry to tell u that ur so called hakeem is no where near bashir. bashir was a true leader . ur hakeem is a fanatic.
and guess what : the closest u can get to bashir these days is michel aoun whether u like it or not.
36. kezballah | August 4th, 2008 at 6:01 am

Leb4Life the logic you Aounis use about Hezbollah why it doesn’t apply to 7ezb Ta7rir? they teach you to say Hezbollah are Lebanese like you and me, OK fine then 7ezb ta7rir are Lebanese like you and me, what do you think?

Look my friend the brain washing in you is so much it is hopeless so I was not explaining to you I was explaining to non-Aounis, all your logic I hear it from FPM already, Hariri has militias, Hariri pays Geagea, Joubmlat is turning, Hakim is criminal, I am waiting to hear something new, I think it will be HEIL AOUN. Thank you for the laugh about Aoun is closest to Bach
37. Rima | August 4th, 2008 at 6:06 am

Leb4life

Lol…I am a woman so get over it…

after all it is your opinion DIK IL MAY HIYEH MAY…ONLY time can show who is right who is wrong…the salafieh are not supported by Hariri…asslan if not for Hariri taming them you will see everyday infijarat bil dahyeh and vice versa…we nehna sharkieh massihiye min roouh daass…thank God i don’t live in Lebanon anymore…bass i really worry about all my people in Lebanon
38. Rima | August 4th, 2008 at 6:11 am

I really feel sorry for people like Leb4life…by the way are you a woman or man?

mich mouhem…iza kint am tikbad min el tayyar sahtein…if not i advice you to wake up before it is too late
39. Leb4Life | August 4th, 2008 at 6:16 am

hehe it is so weird that kezballa and rima reply at the same time !!! .
anyway,
kezballa there is a big difference between hezballa and the sunni fundemantalists . again, please read more in order to gain more knowledge before starting to debate others. shoo nseet ennou those salafiyyi threatened hezballa more than once? they follow ben laden bas fet7een 3a 7sebon . they have a goal of starting the imara el islamiyyi from tripoli . and yes rima they are being aided by hariri because hariri and many sunnies think that those are the defenders of islam and sunnies against shi3a and christians. shoo nseetou who legalised hezb el ta7reer in lebanon? it was ahmad fatfat .
and if u are scared of them and u are under hariri’s mercy for him to stop them from killing u then please explain to me why do u call urselves ewet and u claim u are defenders of amn el mojtama3 el masee7i? u should give this title to hariri and jombi . u should call hariri the defender of amn el mojtama3 el masee7i . MO HEIK?
hehe laik malla mostawa wassalkon hakeemkon .
40. Rima | August 4th, 2008 at 6:17 am

By the way ya Leb4life…you are contradicting yourself…yu said you want someone like bashir…shou solange el gemayel mich biaaynak…she is a great and loyal deputy kilmitta kilmi…so ma tkilli kamen inou she is am tikbad min hariri…

I don’t understand this mentality …Hariri is not a big coutry like Iran hatta yi wazeh massari alla el taleh wil nazel ok?
41. kezballah | August 4th, 2008 at 6:18 am

Rima what wake up, it is too late for wake up mazel he thinks Aoun is the closest to Bachir Aoun who run away to France and left his soliers to die and go to torture in Syria is closest to Bachir, ya 3Adra what a blasphemy..

And he talk about Oudama Ouwet they are so Oudama you can only find them on ebay!!

I admit I love talking to Aounis
42. Rima | August 4th, 2008 at 6:20 am

Ya Leb4life yadhak jayidan man yadhak bil akher
43. Rima | August 4th, 2008 at 6:22 am

yeah i don’t understand this oudama il kouweit they gathered few bitter people and labelled them ouwet…shou alla miin am yidhakou…eh ma hada kahroo la aoun illa geagea
44. Rima | August 4th, 2008 at 6:24 am

Kizballah…i think leb4life might be Aoun itself talking to us!!!! ha ha ha
45. kezballah | August 4th, 2008 at 6:25 am

Leb4Life please don’t be paranoid, I don’t have a split personality and I am not 50-50 man woman

Did you know Gibran Basil connected a telephone lines network with Palestine? so I should say he is doing Tawtin like Fatfat he gave license to Hezb Ta7rir so he is starting Imara in Tripoli?

Ya khayyi what do I care what Hariri want to do? Geagea is not saying day and night I want to follow Hariri, it is Hariri who is talking the same language we (LF) talk since 1975 but you (Aoun) are talking the Hezbollah language Moukawama and coffee in Syria. This is not hard if you concentrate
46. Rima | August 4th, 2008 at 6:28 am

spot on Kizballah…sunnis had to wait for Hariri to be assassinated ta yifhamouu innou Syria is our enemy
47. kezballah | August 4th, 2008 at 6:29 am

Rima no no if it was Aoun talking he will be now ta7et zenar and all the presidential language about se2aye and me3zeye and sermeye
48. kezballah | August 4th, 2008 at 6:33 am

Ok Aounieh I have to go to work now, I see you at lunch Because of you Leb4Life I miss my breakfast but it is OK fida sermeyit Sayid Hassan
49. Rima | August 4th, 2008 at 6:39 am

???????? ya ayneh hayda hakiii
6:39 الاحدب للسياسة: يدعون ان سلاحهم شريف ومقدس أما السلاح المقابل فهو سلاح السلفيين الارهابيين”, إنهم” يحضرون لشيء ما اشد خطورة في طرابلس، وإذا لم يقم الجيش بحسم الامور بشكل فاعل فإننا قد نكون ذاهبين الى الحرب حتما
50. Leb4Life | August 4th, 2008 at 6:41 am

lol rima u now want us to follow solanje? so u think solanje is ok to follow simply because she was bashir’s wife? u want me to follow that lady simply because she was his wife???? !!!! i thaught ur hakim was teaching u to get away from 3a2iliyyi and ikta3 and he is teaching u democracy . oh by the way speaking of democracy … who elects ur hakim? isn’t it antoine zahra , elie kayrouz, adwan and strida? hehe malla democracy.
rima u said man yadhak akhiran yadhak jayyidan. wlak ma nehna serna bel akhir . da7ikna jayyidan in 2005 . but it looks like u want an extention . ok mne3teekon another forsa until summer 2009 . but no more chances after that ok?

kezballa
ja3ja3 is not saying day and night he follows hariri. he is saying it day only . and dreaming of it night . this is the good dreams part for him . as for the other part of the dreams which is the nightmare , it is MICHEL AOUN.
u make me laugh when u say hariri is talking ur language now. ok lets assume so. can u please tell me what language is it when he begs to meet nasralla him and jombi? please tell me what language is that.
ya khayyi ma 7allak tefham ennou hariri doesn’t care about u or anyone else. he cares about power . is it ur lf language to kick christians out of wazayef el dawli? is it ur lf language to adopt the muslim children rights thing? is it ur lf language to work for tawteen? is it ur lf language to invade ashrafiyyi and destroy properties? is it ur lf language to support abou le7yi in danniyyi? hariri language is dollar. khaleekon mad7oosheen bi t**zou ta nshoof addaysh badou yedfa3elkon in 2009 elections.
51. Leb4Life | August 4th, 2008 at 6:44 am

rima
first of all who is ahdab? what does he represent? check the previous e7sa2at and check 2005 elections results and u will find that ahdab represents 2.6% of tripoli ppl.
second, those 13 march 3isabi are now known for one thing : if they are preparing for war they start accusing their oponents of it . so alla yestor.
52. Rima | August 4th, 2008 at 6:49 am

Leb4life…answering you is a waste of time …sorry …isstifil bas alla yistour hadirlak shi maljak ahssan
53. Leb4Life | August 4th, 2008 at 7:25 am

rima
it’s time for ur milk bottle .
yalla tnem rima …. w ma yeji ykhawwefa el ja3ja3 (oops asdi el ba3ba3) .
teshetshi w teshetshi … el ja3jou3a ta7t el meshemshi . kelma yheb el hawa ytawbiz w yeshkor el hariri.
54. Mickel | August 4th, 2008 at 7:33 am

why is my #27 awaiting moderation?
55. Rima | August 4th, 2008 at 7:40 am

Leb4life…

AN JAD HARAM…I MEAN IT
56. Michele | August 4th, 2008 at 8:03 am

Hablé4life can u get any dumber???!!!

Seriously do u read what u write? Seriously do u?

U’ve writthen some many idiocy.

1) Hezaballah r the ones who hide behind women skirts.
2) Talking abt democracy within a party, makes me think abt Aoun having his son-in-laws, nephew, cousins, daughter in his party; he even made out of his idiot son-in-law a minister.
3) Aoun did mention that he has no more detainees in Syria.
4) Aoun never delivered a promise n never won a battle.
5) Even Aoun thinks u r idiots when he called u “Shaab el ghashim.”

Z list is too long but know what an idiot u r, u wont understand a word i say.

As for Rima, i’m sure u wish u were z half of man she is, coz at least she has z b*lls to say the truth n her opnion out loudly unlike u, u repeat like a parrot what Aoun says.

Rima, sweetie, it only takes a real man to recognize a real woman; so just ignore that idiot!!!!

U go girl!!!!!!
57. Silvana | August 4th, 2008 at 9:50 am

Kezballah regarding your comment “Look my friend the brain washing in you is so much it is hopeless so I was not explaining to you I was explaining to non-Aounis, all your logic I hear it from FPM already, Hariri has militias, Hariri pays Geagea, Joubmlat is turning, Hakim is criminal, I am waiting to hear something new, I think it will be HEIL AOUN.”
It is so true. I was skipping Leb4Life’s comments because I knew he would be repeatitive or just going around in circles evading real issues so when I read your post I laughed.

LOL Michelle you kind of made want to read his whole comments but I resisted

As for Rima, I second what Michelle said to you, some males’ egos are very fragile and easy to crush especially where a woman isconcerned. When they are insecure in their manhood, They pound the table and argue their case, pressing their point until people fall asleep or agree with them to shut them up. That is why he preferred to think of you as male
58. Silvana | August 4th, 2008 at 9:52 am

* repetitive
59. Rodge | August 4th, 2008 at 12:03 pm

After seeing the trade between Kezballah, Rima, and Leb4life during the night, I felt disappointed that I was sleeping, I think I missed a lot of fun watching Rima and Kezballah trashing this hable4life, and I would’ve loved to join them, knowing that they have done a great job.

Antway, about the Army, it is a hopeless case, this army was a militia under Aoun in 1989 and 1990, and it is pro-Syrian and pro-Hizb now, most of his members are pro Hizb, and its leadership can’t be trusted anymore.

Pitty, since there are good members within, but they are few.

But despite all, it is still the Lebanese Army, and we should celebrate its day, just for the sake of its martyrs who died defending the country whether facing the Israelis, the Syrians, the Fateh Islam people, or other insurgents.
60. Stallion | August 4th, 2008 at 12:29 pm

rodge
u act exactly like ur hakim . he gets hammered and still says he is winning. by the way, i am not here to win or lose . i am here to make fun of u and ur so called hakim and to show ppl how stup*d u are. mission accomplished.
u are obliged to celebrate the army day . this army is tej rasak and u owe it respect. ur hakim attacked it and murdered its men but one day he will pay for it if not here definately bel ekhra.
in ur last sentence u forgot to mention the army martyrs who died facing ur hakim’s ewet and those who were murdered by ur war criminal ur so called hakim.
61. N10452 | August 4th, 2008 at 12:43 pm

Stallion,
i am glad ba3do el 7akeem 2ahrak hal2ad … bass ntebih ma ton2ohir kteer ..mich mnee7a lal so77a .. wou wazeer el so77a min 14 March ..
62. Nadim | August 4th, 2008 at 12:58 pm

loooooooooooool…HAHAHAHAHHA..Leb4life is talking about democracy??? ARE U FKING KIDDING ME??? UR TALKING ABOUT WHO VOTES FOR HAKIM??? I CANT EVEN REPLY TO U BECAUSE i have so much 2 say…yeh sure hizballah practice democracy greatly…and aoun is a true leader who never let his army, people, or his family down…Aoun always stayed and fought..he never ran away from a fight…geagea was promised the presidency by the syrians…mmmm…i wonder what made aoun come back from france under syrian consent??? probably the chair that he will never ever sit on in his entire life..(entire life? haha that means what?? 3 years?)..akh akh oranges make me laugh because they are always right…u wanna talk about hypocrisy and change of “mabede2″? im not gonna go back soooooo far in time..rather im gonna take u back 2 2004…when aoun was sitting in the U.N and came up with a resolution 1559…mmm..which specifically said that hizballah shoud disarm..but then he comes to lebanon (under syrian consent) and allies with hiziballa…ohhh..wait…sorry halla2 a 3awne will come up and say..”WLAK HAYDA MISH TA7ALOF!!!!! HAYDA TAFEHOM” wlak bass ba2a de7ek 3al 3alam shoo mfakreena msateel…NAME ONE THING AOUN ACHIEVED AFTER DOING THIS WAR2ET EL TAFFEHOM!!! BAND WA7AD??? JUST ONE!!!?? for once admit ya 3awniyye inno 3on khabbas…and please please please please ana mish 2owwatje…im just a guy…living in ashrafieh…who suffered personally from aoun and his stupid mistakes…still cant believe how some1 opens a war on syria knowing deep down that he cant win it…its either he is too stupid…or he just cut a deal…and frankly too stupid seems the closer possibility..a special round of applause for leb4life and his fellow 3awniyye for making us so happy to be alive..but on the bright side…we can always look smart by comparison cuz we have them next 2 us…..thanks for making my day..

Cheers
63. Rima | August 4th, 2008 at 1:16 pm

Thank you girls for your support…

Unfortunately, the naffssiey of the leader infiltrates into teh spirit of his followers. Everyone for Aoun does not represent anyone and he is nothing…very arrogant? Bass he was able to play on two importnant points in the 1989-1990
firstly, the anti-Syrian sentiments of the Christians
Secondly, the anti-militia sentiments of some narrow-minded people thinking that we like the militia for its own sake…Sorry if we had to rely on the army during the war…Lebanon will be Imara or Palestine…

By the way, we have to remember the Lahad people of teh South…they also sacrificed alot and they got nthg in return…
64. Silvana | August 4th, 2008 at 1:25 pm

Rima you made intelligent points but you committed the mistake of debating with Leb4Life as if he really does have the ability to understand. How can you debate with someone who defends Aoun blindly? I can understand Christians’ fascination with Bashir, he is a symbol of our hope in the Lebanese Christians’ survival against all odds; However to claim that Aoun is a Christian saviour and the most popular Christain figure after all that is happening is very shallow and naive even by little kids’ standards…

With Leb4Life it is not about principles or politics, it is about Aoun and subconscious hate. Anyway he is still better than Stallion who claims that he hates all leaders equally, 3am yetzaka 3al 3alam, yet he spouts venom which showed that he wasn’t laughing at anyone but quite pissed off.
65. Silvana | August 4th, 2008 at 1:33 pm

Politics sucks especially Lebanese politics. Our army was always a pawn in the hands of its generals and sick politicians, it was used and weakened mercilessly. They keep saying that You ouwet attacked the army, killed its soldiers, it was not a one way street. The morally decrepit Aoun in the late eighties was able to weaken both the army and the ouwet when HE STARTED his famous wars, and back then the only one that benefitted was Syria.
66. nevermind | August 4th, 2008 at 2:00 pm

Seriuosly guys,….
why do u answer on such idiots as leb4life and whatever….???
I don’t see any point in defending ourselves, we know what we are and what we are capable of…
so please, stop using those post to curse each others…
We would like to have some serious discussions here,not to play with kids and waste our time.
Thank you.
67. Michele | August 4th, 2008 at 2:13 pm

Stallion u should change ur nickname into a MULE!!!!
68. nevermind | August 4th, 2008 at 2:45 pm

michele, by the way mules are intelligent animals,but because they are strong they are more used in labor…
I do propose a more conveniant animal, the “donkey” ; You can use the donkey,overload him , although he is not “that” strong,but at least he thinks he is…. and he is happy with that
69. Rima | August 4th, 2008 at 3:05 pm

Nevermind,

The aim is not to answer Leb4life and his like personally but to reply to the arguments and make things clear to however visits this site to check on us to see what we have to say…that is important what if some journalists check bloggers to check the public opinion,….do we let the enemy trash the history and twist teh truth?
70. nevermind | August 4th, 2008 at 3:07 pm

Rima,
you are right, just if it is possible to make an “age-check” for those who are commenting…
71. Rodge | August 4th, 2008 at 3:14 pm

Stallion,

Welcome at anytime.
The probem in you people is that you only read what you want, and you search for anything to include “our Hakim” as you always say.
Did you read my last paragraph before you make ur stupid comments??? of course not, u’re not allowed to, they taught you only to read the first few words and then launch the same attack against ur hakim and u ouwetkieh etc… the bullshit symphony.

Just to tell you one thing, tej rassi are only God, my country and my parents and family.

The rest, among them the Lebanese army or any other party or army can’t be anything like that, I respect people, but this does not mean i’m a blind fu***ck**ing follower full of hate like you.
ans as Michele said, you should call urself a Mule w ktir 3aleik
72. Rima | August 4th, 2008 at 3:38 pm

Rodge

the only think that Aoun did not change in his noble principles is his hatred to geagea and the Patriarche sfeir…so can someone explain to me why aounis and frangieh and the like attack teh battrack…kaman ammm yikbad min Hariri….com on? some logic please
73. Rima | August 4th, 2008 at 3:55 pm

Hi again

Before I go to sleep…Let me tell you sthg about the army…during the 1990s I lived in a building that has on his left ouwet and his right army fighting each other….bass one should say the truth the Christians army officers were so fierce as they are fighting the Syrians…does anyone remember how they turned against their own people? they are guilty as well I remember ‘khamiss’ he was sweeping the Jdeideh like it is tal el zaatar. call a spade a spade.
Some soldiers who refused to get into the fight were punished and left with no tkaoud…mich haram?
74. nevermind | August 4th, 2008 at 3:59 pm

Rima,
The Aounist attack the patriarche,because from the begining when aoun was destroying the char2ieh, the patriarche new that aoun is a very bad idea for the christians,and he was always against him.
So as aoun thinks he is the strongest,the most clever and so on, he couldn’t take it from the highest maronite figure in the middle east, and he sent some of his gangs to humiliate him (WE NEVER WILL FORGET).
Aoun even said that patriarche of politics is in rabieh not in bkerki!!!!! He is realy not a sane man, he has some complexes and deliusions,and God knows what else….
75. kezballah | August 4th, 2008 at 4:00 pm

Leb4Life I like your answer #50 that geagea say in the day only and dream in the night it made me laugh that’s good!

OK you ask what language it is when Hariri and Joumblat beg to meet Nasrallah, if we say this is true what is wrong with meeting? If they meet and change politics to pro Iran and Moukawama and Syria bullsh*t then we curse them and we find other friends. If they meet to find solution for Nasralla weapons then it is good (if we like the solution). Why you complicate everything, it is simple if you have the same principles you don’t get confused, we want free independent Lebanon if Hariri want it too ahlan wa sahlan if Jumblatt want it ahlan wa sahlan if Aoun want it ahlan wa sahlan if Nasrallah want it ahlan wa sahlan, we don’t have to like them or follow them, they follow our principles that is all we want.

You talk about invading Ashrafie you forgot Hezbollah when they invade because your Charbel Khalil make a show about Nasrallah? Hariri did not tell the Sunni to invade Ashrafie he has no interest to do it (you say he buys everything he don’t invade) but Nasrallah he said thank you for his ashraf nas that they protect his honor and tell them please go home after you are done with barbarism.

All the rest wazayf dawle ETC.. I think you forget the martyrs we give and what they did, you forget Pierre Gemayel wazir Sina3a what he did because when he was alive you laughed at him and call him little pierro and curse him all the time, anyways my friend we have opposite views so in democracy let the most votes win, but please no Hezbollah weapons in the elections because it is not democracy if they invade every city that is against them ok.
76. kezballah | August 4th, 2008 at 4:04 pm

Silvana when I talk to Aounis and Hezbollahis I am not upset because I don’t expect anything I am sure I will not convince them 1% so I am never upset when they keep arguing I just try to enjoy it
77. Lebnene | August 4th, 2008 at 4:21 pm

خجل أكثري من القوات اللبنانية، فاحتفال القوات في كسروان تخللّه خطاب متوتّر لقائده سمير جعجع، بعدما تبلّغ من ميشال المرّ ووليد جنبلاط ومنصور البون رفضهم التحالف معه، والأخير يقاطع العشاء… وقالت مصادر حضرت حفل العشاء إن جعجع فوجئ مع بدء الحفل بالمقاطعة الكبيرة للحفل فقرر “النزول شخصياً”.

Watch & enjoy aflaton el chare2,don quichote bled ma bayn el nahrayn,faRIS el 3arab el man yallii al laylou wal baday2 ta3rifoh wl bahr amamouh wal 3adouw wara2ohhh el ayir DR SAMIR GA3GA3
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k7iueb8kSP0
78. Rodge | August 4th, 2008 at 4:23 pm

Rima,

U’re right all the way, and I noticed the same thing, and that’s way I said that the Army was acting like a militia under Aoun.
Even at their checkpoints they were treating people in a bad way.
I used to move between Ain Remmaneh and Achrafieh during Harb Ilgha’, it was like hell pasing through the Army checkpoints, they were treating people like shit.
I understand that someone will tell me the LF were doing the same, ok they were Militias, eventhough they were treating people better, but for an army to do so.
It is the image of Aoun himself, he’s a fascist dectator in his proposal, thinking, and ruling.

If you really want to know how neutral Lebanese think, you should come here to Kuwait to see how much Lebanese, mainly christians, hate or at least criticize and don’t believe anymore in Aoun. Search for the majority among Lebanese living abroad, who are not under any pressure or influence.
79. nevermind | August 4th, 2008 at 6:41 pm

have anyone saw this before?????

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gG37zVlaeCo&NR=1
80. Delta | August 4th, 2008 at 9:17 pm

i want from every single ouwatge on this blog to read all the aounist first 2 lines comments man i swear it really chock me how childish each one of them is yaN man you should check ids on this blog man seriously how all are these people they have no logical thinking ur master jomblat m3almak samir they dont make point they re really good telling jokes and making fun of them selfes but no chronological thinking just barking and playing stupid for exemple iforgot wish dork said : hakim fired at the army la2 bado yiftahlak sodro winta nezil fi 155 mm moubachar wlak ma btestehe t2elle we shot at the army wle aya army nihna il army wima wbaya w2ahla geye tseb2ne 3alla mhabte lal army roh tom halak bsouria la2ano ared libnen ma btestehala.

than the other dork al go ask america for weopon ino hine il amercen mich def3in ha2o lal weopon wpeople in america dont pay taxes fir it w3amo bush 3am ywazi3 man lech mich habeyibna il wouziyeh hizb il zibele wil al3ata bya3to sleh la larmy ????? hun?

man for all the aounist get a fucking idea and live buy it and u can call it a cause but stop bringing all the ideas that u can not live by and that make u all look like a bunsh of hypocrites
81. madona saliba | August 4th, 2008 at 10:01 pm

miss y delta …
82. Delta | August 5th, 2008 at 3:10 am

miss you too madona
83. touma | August 7th, 2008 at 1:39 am

delta w madona zemmouwa…

jeychna MECH NEFI3…enno nehna 3enna jech yaba!……eza N7ALABIT ba2ra bel Denmark…OU3A yon2osim el jech.

w es!!!! macchouna…azbat chi nsir metel Switzerland…bala jech bala ballout…enno fi ISF: nafs dor el jech + awfar….