here is a famous quote:

The great nations have always acted like gangsters, and the small nations like prostitutes.”
Stanley Kubrick

Barke lezim 7ada yizakro bi 7abess Kfarshima .. because Those who build the prisons for the LF in The ministry of defence probably got inspired from Aoun and his prisons ..

ya 3ayb el shoum ..

from Katar…you are right mich ayezz massari akid la2nnou nahab meil el dawleh will shaaeb…bass zeyedet el kheir kheir mou heiik

Adesh abad 7a2a? w min dafa3lo ? w since when aoun 3yez massareh ?

Aoun did not sacrifice the presidency in Doha as you said…ghassbin annou …shou milik bayyou el presidency…anyway everyone knows abbad ha2a….

N
good post N we need to know some insights about these dreadful and biased accusations of the LF…

I read the comments posted here and I want to clarify some issues raised by our brother Fou2ad.

Fouad said “This was all after the LF entered the taef agreement with the syrians and attacked aoun. But ofcourse you would rather shoot yourself than admit that the LF first opened fire.”

Before the taef agreement general aoun waged a battle against the lebanese forces on 14 february 1989 during this date no taef and no agreement was yet done.

The reason for that as the general mentioned was that he wants the LA to control all the ports. When this war started samir geagea was outside lebanon so he came back quickly to stop this fight between the christians. He contacted general michel aoun and agreed on a meeting to solve this crysis. On his way the soldiers fired at his motorcade and his personal bodyguard was killed. After many calls to calm the situation he continued toi baabda and their he agreed to the demands of MA to stop this bloodshed between christians.

Second after this incident by one month GMA declared liberation war and the LF supported him in this war.

The liberation war was the major reason that lead to the taef agreement, since war2it al nikat al sabe3 from the arab commitee stated that the lebanese represantives(nouweb) should go to taef to make discussions in order to reach an agreement. MA signed on this paer and supported this idea fully and he even insisted on dr. tarek habchi to go when he knew that he Dr. Habchi no intentions to go taef and promised him that a la helicopter will transfer him to cyprus in order for him to take a plane to saudi arabia.

The Lebanese forces did not give any comments on the taef agreement and even when the Ilgha war had begun samir geagea did not say anything positive or negative about this agreement. The Lebanese Forces accepted the Taef Agreement ghasben 3ana after aoun waged a war against it on 30 jan 1990, since taef agreement is not a goal for us for our major goal is to reach an agreement based on federalism and I think that you know that Fouad.

Fouad to assure you more that aoun waged to war you could take his talks two weeks before 30 jan 1990 and you would directly know his intentions. He raised the slogan la boundoukiya fawka boundoukiyat al jaish to start preparing the people for them to accept this interchristian battle.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tzMh-QgDs10&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uMvKfJx4OQ8&feature=related

Watch these vids and check the dates under the pic to see what he was saying before 30 jan 1990

Moreover I would like to point for you that aoun was the one making talks with the syrians. As you remeber the people used to gather in Kaser baabda in order to prevent the syrians from entering the palace since a massacre would occur. But on the night of the 12th of nov 1990 the people were told to go home even though intelligence reports stated that an attack is going to happen since elie hobeika an d assaad herdan told gma that there will be no attack and they organized a meeting for pierre rafoul with ghazi kanaan on th 13th of nov.
This is mentioned in pierre rafouls book al general aoun al sa7wa al lubnaniya in addition to that u should know that GMA was twice in syria between 1985and 1986 as mentioned also in the book of pierre rafoul.

Moreover don’t try to convince me that GMA was against taef bcs he wants the independence of his country since the same gma was one of the major supporters of al itife2 al thoulese and even wrote the military part in it.

In addition to that please do not say that GMA was resisting when SG was playing the guitar since when SG was resisting the syrians GMA was playing cards with them domen ouwet al rade3 al arabiyye. And when SG was fighting for the christians in the mountain against the druze syrians and palestinians GMA was convincing amin el gemayel that the LA can not reach the areas their to help the christians.

Finally I would like to conclude my discussion by a funny story that would prove the hypothesis that aounists byentobi2 3layoun el matal 3anze wlaw tarit.
After ziad ghandour and ziad 2abalen were kidnapped GMA gave a press conference
and accused Ajhize estekhbaratiye of this act. So I asked after i read this on tayyar.org my aounist friend who in his opinion killed the two ziyads and he said walaw it is known bayt chamas. I asked him could it be possible that ajhize estekhbaratiye did this he looked at me and said walaw chou 7mar enta ma32oul tfakir be hal tari2a metel l mhebil and he started laughing about what I said. Than I showed what Michel Aoun said he looked at the article for two minutes and than he said la2 ma3o 7a2 el general hayde ajhize estekhbaratiye wara el jarime.

Tc all and congratulations for this great forum