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• 1. zahlelfers | June 2nd, 2007 at 8:00 pm

  ya N10452 lezim 2awkat n3ad 3al jere7.
  14 march fiya ktir ech2a mech mni7a bass 7asaneta 100 marra aktar men sayi2ata.
  bi kaffe enna khat siyede, wel bayen awal marra bi talib bi sle7 bi id el char3iye wa7da ( chaghle ktir mni7a awal marra el hariri bi koula ).

• 2. paul | June 2nd, 2007 at 9:03 pm

  N10452
  i can understand you very well.

  this is what the arabs likes to hear.
  But if we always sails against the river,
  we will never move ahead.
  I see hier no disadvantages for us,like 7ak al3auda w rafd taoutin.
  Halla2 ta7rir doual l3arabiye…this must be said and not done… and now the arab countrys must support us against fat7 alislam and co.
  Mitl ma 2al zahlelfers:badna n3ad 3al jere7
  la2anno lmachkal inno l7arb 3inna wmich 3indoun.

• 3. zahlelfers | June 2nd, 2007 at 9:34 pm

  LEBANON IS LEBANESE NOT ARABIC.

• 4. Get over it | June 2nd, 2007 at 10:08 pm

  Not surprised…..

• 5. elie diab | June 2nd, 2007 at 10:09 pm

  hey all i just wanna say to all of u that it the time to built a country guys we should nt be a shame of what came out of the meeting we should just think about our partners in lebanon also so i cant see any thing wrong with the post after all we are speeking as christians nd sunnny nd druze nd all of that t c
  where no other dares -I-

• 6. zahlelfers | June 2nd, 2007 at 10:30 pm

  ya N10452 enta sarlak fatra nezil entikated lal 2ouwet ma la7azet hal chi ???
  2oul chou fi bi rasak w khallasna.
  Metle w metel gheire ballashna n7ess ennak ma baka tayik el 2ouwet.

• 7. N10452 | June 2nd, 2007 at 11:37 pm

  Elie Diab,
  This is exactly what you should oppose, melting within an arab-islamo project cause of our “strategic” alliance ..

  We should keep our principles and not compromise them anywhere.

  Zahlelfers, barke el Ouwet sarla fatra mich zabtra ma3a … jarrabit chi marra tfakkir fiya from this point of view ??

  El Ouwet bi damme, bass hal Ouwet li halla2 mawjoude mich 2eblen fiya ..

• 8. Delta | June 3rd, 2007 at 2:04 am

  N10452 even though u never answer when i ask u or when i disagree with u bass bade ilak chaghle anna dod nacher ghasil il ouwe bass in this article bous rassak anna ur right hundred % bass chaghle wehde bhib 2oula ino is never late mich lezim n2oul di3anak ya samir its early and at the time when we will have to say di3anak ya samir we should already ge rid of him la2ano bikoun ghalat ktir remenber l hk ma hadda addo il ouwet da3aset 3leh wmichyet mitl ma iltikoun in previous postings leb wil ouwet akbar min il kel

  Salem il massih ya chabeb

  get over it not surprised loooool ino lezim t3ali2 hunh ? :p

• 9. Fad14 | June 3rd, 2007 at 8:13 am

  I just want to ask couple of questions, which I would like to hear many answers for it and I will not reply but Just Answers from different LFers.

  1. Does LF = Christian country only where Christians dominate ?
  2. Does LF = LF Objectives regardless what the rest of the country has as interest?
  3. Does LF = Radical Christian movement similar to hizbulla but without weapons and aimed to make christians better than others ?
  4. IS LF 2007 same LF of 1982 ? where they were the ONLY group calling for a strong LEBANON and they were once opposed by the rest of the country ???
  5. Does LF want and LF Lebanon or LEBANON with LF part of it ?

• 10. micho | June 3rd, 2007 at 8:46 am

  lebanon is not an arab state and never will be… i dont know wat to say im disappointed in the Lf ( this is the 2nd time i heard such a thing) if every1 remembers when saad l hariri was haviing talks with berri and came to samir geagea and had a shared press conference saad hariri said that 14 march agrees on everything together including 3roubat lubnan and samir geagea said nothing… wal soukout 3alamat l rida. so i guess thats it im out of the LF well at least samir geageas LF…

• 11. proud 2 b lf | June 3rd, 2007 at 8:49 am

  people…….whats wrong with u??????
  What is wrong in being an arab?????
  its just a name and its too idiotic to say u r not an arab……….cuz arabism is not based on islamism….cuz arabs were present before the islamic religion came ………. so just live with it …………its not worth it to do a new war for this or disagree within the lf about this……that’s the truth you r arabs……just learn to live with it…..u cant deny the truth………..and its not shameful to be an arab……cuz arabs were way better since in this region they used to study chemistry physics and everything while in europe there were vikings and uncivilized people,,,,,,,so 2eteshouwwa ba2a!!!

• 12. N10452 | June 3rd, 2007 at 9:17 am

  Delta,
  If i did not answer you, where didnt i answer you earlier ??? i remembered ur nacher ghassil comment and i was planning to write something about it .. just not much time .. apologies but u have to bare with me

  Concerning Nacher el Ghassil,
  Walla ya rafee2 i kept it for looooooooooooong before going public and i tried all possible ways to get my remarks and of many to the leadership, yet la 7ayata li man tounadi ..we should not be ashamed of showing our mistakes, let us be credible to the people reading us and not hide behind them, it will make us stronger trust me ..and from what i am seeing More people are realizing the mistakes being done that way ..

  If you have something to hide, then its something bad and i dont want such stuff to be hidden in the LF i aspire to.

• 13. Mohammad | June 3rd, 2007 at 9:52 am

  It is not my right to give any opinion related to LF internal debate since it is none of my business but I would like to highlight few things mentioned in the post above which is related to Lebanon in general.

  1- 3orobah: Arabs and the Arabic language existed hundreds of years before ISLAM, so if we talk Arabic language doesn’t mean that we are dissolving in ARAB countries or in Islam. Let’s deal with this word from a language point of view, what language do we speak in Lebanon?

  2- ضمانة فعلية لحق العودة ورفض التوطين،: I think we all agree on this sentence. Aren’t we?

  3- وتستعيد الحق العربي من العدو الإسرائيلي في كل الاراضي العربية المحتلة : we all need to free our remaining occupied land but this doesn’t mean that we will fight for JOLAN heights for example. Nobody can force us to fight for any other land. We need help to free our occupied land and then FULL STOP.

  4- مبادرة السلام العربية : we need PEACE and we need to free the remaining land peacefully better than keeping HA 3m yet7akkam b samena inno howe wa7do baddo y7arrer el ard?

  5- I didn’t understand the word “Shamefull”

• 14. LF forever | June 3rd, 2007 at 1:40 pm

  N10452,

  If you continue to write and criticize the LF in this way publicly, Personally I will quit to look at this blog and I will tell all my friends who are following to stop to participate…this is unfair and ridiculous…stop it please…Jesus, teach us that who hit you on your right cheek, give him the left. We have to stop nashr el ghassil wel bahdale and keep it internal ya rafik…If not we consider ourselves your enemies! Doud el khal minno fi? hope not.

  I think you should moderate more your nonconstructive critic without any meaning and without no solution! and stop damaging Bashir teaching by putting online words that does mean nothing today. Bashir, he understand it perfectly the “religion convivialities”, remember when he became president what was his words? remember el chouioukh, coming to him and congratulate him…Bashir, grew a lot before he died, he fights and he get the presidency…and be sure he was much more open for Islamic friendship and constructing future Lebanon. We have to stop showing him as radical Christian! Lebanon need the Arab support and specially us Christians.

• 15. N10452 | June 3rd, 2007 at 2:04 pm

  LF Forever,
  Do we need to melt within this strategic alliance we are in ?? Do we want the Palestinian Cause and their return to be our Cause ??

  Because this is what we just agreed on !

  Bash taught me to speak the truth, and here it is .. Jesus taught us to fight for our beliefs and die for them .. not change them

  Keep it internal la meen ya shreek ?? How can i defend the LF when they agree on such texts ??

  I am an Lfer and will always be .. however i will refuse anyone trying to change our history, our principles and what our martyrs died for !!

• 16. N10452 | June 3rd, 2007 at 2:07 pm

  Mohammad,

  Lebanon’s Cause is Lebanon, not Palestine nor the Israeli-Arab conflict …

  Let Arabs fight for Palestinians rights and leave us alone to take care of our businesses …

  Lebanon is being melted into those issues and is losing its identity bit by bit ..

• 17. tony obeid | June 3rd, 2007 at 2:13 pm

  ne7na mnorfod nkoun arab wa2et li arab=islam. bass l wadi7 lyom inno mich hayda ma3na l 3ouroubé w 5assatan ma3 tiyyar l mousta2bal.
  w la sou2alak: t2assasit l 2ouwet lal difé3 3an l woujoud l masi7é 3al kéfit l 2aradé l libnéniyé w lal 7ifaz 3ala libnén l kabir li houwé joughrafia l masi7é l 7ourr. w hayda li 3am ta3mlo l2ouwet bi ta7aloufa ma3 l sinné al mou3tadil wil dirzé lil yom 3ala 5at tames ma3 l souré. 14 march 3am bit talib bi tirsim l 7oudoud lal i3tiraf bi nihé2iyit l kayén al libnéné w 3am bit talib bi jami3 tawa2ifa bi 3awwdit ri2asit l jamhouriyé lal masi7iyyin al a7rar w wé2fin 5alf l batrak. HEK l OUWET 3AM BITDéFI3 3AN LIBNEN W 3A L MASI7IYé. wil lyom la 2awwal marra kil l sounna li ma3na wé2fin wara l jéch doud l falastiniyé. KIRMEL HEK WA2FO BA2A MOUHEJAMIT L 2OUWET W SAMIR GEAGEA

• 18. N10452 | June 3rd, 2007 at 2:34 pm

  “wil lyom la 2awwal marra kil l sounna li ma3na wé2fin wara l jéch doud l falastiniyé”

  Ya Tony ya 7abeebe,
  2ayya phalasteene ?? Meen 3am min7erib ne7na ?? Fat7 el Islam mich el phalasteene .. la2anno “el phalasteene khayyina wou 2addiyitna el 2awoule wou min7ebbo kteer” .. as per Sheikh Saad and the statement LF agreed on above ..

• 19. LF forever | June 3rd, 2007 at 3:06 pm

  Allah yes3adkoun w ya3tikon el 3afie!
  Last time I am writing, to ask sorry for N10452, cause this is his Blog and not the Lebanese Forces Blog anymore…The LF is built to unite, first the Christian (Ahrar,Kataeb…) and then the Lebanese all! now it is time to defend Lebanon, all united and not everybody defending his Lebanon as per his tough! Poor guys…I am Christian, Marouneh, LFers and you don’t represent me at all…Geagea politic today represent me perfectly and Gibran Toueni Phrase is my symbol: Naksom Belah El 3Azim, Muslimin wa Massih3in….).
  N10452, You don’t represent me at all and god bless you and help you to get over your fanatic ideas…one think is sure that thanks god you are not the Patriarch or the Pope or Lebanese Forces Leader…that will be scarring. Progress Ya Chabab we are in 2007 and not el 3asr el hajari!

• 20. Shadow | June 3rd, 2007 at 3:13 pm

  N10452,

  What is wrong in that statement ?

  For your information When sheikh Bachir was elected a president , the first visit he did after being elected was to Saudi Arabia , and during war when LF found an arabic alliance ( Iraq) they stopped bying arms from Israel.

  Being a leader means being responsible for the lifes of your followers. what do u want LF to do ? we are not living in an isolated island …

  We refused being arab when arab = Islam .

  We will be always christians and LFers.

• 21. N10452 | June 3rd, 2007 at 3:16 pm

  So whatever we fought for have become fanatic ideas ???

  Who said anything about not being united LF Forever?? But there is a big difference between taking the initiative as we always did, and following others as we currently are ..

  Gebran Was killed and its Hariri asking for his tribunal, same for Pierre ..

  Think 5 years ahead ya Rafee2 …

  I will defend the 14th of march against Syria’s allies .. but i refuse that we Christians become low class citizens .. and we are on our way unfortunatelly …

• 22. Mohammad | June 3rd, 2007 at 3:56 pm

  Ya N10452 Ya 7abibi, when Dr Ja3ja3 and all 14march talked about “Adeyyet falastine” they didn’t mean that we will wage wars 3ala israel kermel 3yon el falasteneye. we will support the palestinian peacefuly 7atta y7ello 3n samana w nerta7 mn hal mokhayamet.

  Remember, we have 2 devils on our boarders, ISRAEL and Syria. We always need help from the whole world to stop them.

• 23. N10452 | June 3rd, 2007 at 4:01 pm

  Palestinians are ennemies as well ..

• 24. Get over it | June 4th, 2007 at 12:41 am

  No comment !!

• 25. Delta | June 4th, 2007 at 7:09 am

  Palestinians are our first enemy and the sirians. and isreal just ahla ma y2oulo ino we are traitors w just la2ano fi mo3ta2alin libneniyeh bi isreal. wghair hek i dont see isreal putting bombs for the leb people or sending fateh il zionists 3layna

  and y a rafee2 n10452 km i agree on every word u posted in this posting exept di3anak ya samir :p

  salem il massih chabeb

• 26. N10452 | June 4th, 2007 at 1:36 pm

  Delta,
  it wasnt me who said it, i quoted it from a rafee2 ..

• 27. Delta | June 4th, 2007 at 6:58 pm

  wehyetak ba3ref walaw i always check the spurces to see if it is worth it bass law u don agree :p u would not [post it w2anna bifhamak bro

• 28. Imad | June 4th, 2007 at 8:16 pm

  Some LF are upset of the course that 14 march is taking with regard to the Arab and The LF agrees with that, but can those same guys give us an alternative. We live in an arab world , we are very much weaker than bashire days, less in numbers and less alies and less united.On the other hand, they are more in numbers and in unity and weapons and allies.After all those years , now it should be clear that our best bet is 14 march. the USA and Europe and even the vatican do not care for the christians in Lebanon . Our only bet is to allie ourselves with the moderate muslims who would share Lebanon with us equally as citizens.

• 29. Rafi2 khose | June 7th, 2007 at 11:12 am

  la2 ya 10452, 3am bet za33elneh… wa2ta bachir 7arab el falestiniyyeh, 7arab el falesteniyyeh yalleh keino meiskine el heavy artillery.. w hole daharo, w ra7o 3a touniss.. w be2eh blebneine fate7, yalleh n3ato chwayyite slei7 la ye7mo 7alone, w yalleh ma ba2 fata7 siretone bachir
  all palestinians in lebanon are fate7s.. and those arent our ennemies! lberhane ennone ma byet3ato ma3 souriyya, wala meiddiyane wal siyeissiyane wala bil slei7!
  w wa2ta eja geagea 3a rass el ouwet ma reji3 fata7 siretone, le2ennone ma ba2i chaklo khatare 3layna!

  you need ot know one thing, el ouwet keino la wa7done, bass keino bass bil mant2a el char2iyyeh.. bass hal 2iyyeime kholssite, w battalna bil mant2a el char2iyyeh bass, serna bkell lebneine, w bkell lebneine fi gheir zou3ama, fa leizime net3allame n3ich ma3one, this doesnt make us any less leaderss, bil 3akess it gives us strenght and maturity to coexist with other religions, something bachir and geagea never managed to do

• 30. Tarek | June 8th, 2007 at 5:29 pm

  I was really shocked to hear some stuff hear. I have to reply to some points here.
  First Palestine was a christian heritage long before islam was found, so freeying it is not just muslim’s job. I don’t thing all christians would like to let go of their heritage, although some appear they are willing to do.
  Second, in lebanon we all speak arabic, and thus we are a part of the arab world. The islamic world is much larger it contains indonesia, pakistan, afghanistan, tajakistan, kazakhistan, kashmeer, maylsia, shi 10 african countries not in the arab community, turky, albania there are really a lot. So the arab world is totally different from the islamic world. Bil nesbeh inno ni7na il 3arab badna n2awwi ba3od w issas, inno any alliance is based on that. Second, we really do not fit in any group other than the arab world. If we fitted in europe I would encouraged being in the european union, but we really can’t. Moreover, we do not have to desolve if we are a part of the arab world. We have been a part of it for more than a thousand of years and we did not dissolve, and I say we will never do. We do not have to lose our culture or heritage if we allied with arab countries. Inno they did not. Each country in the arab world has its own culture they did not dissolve in each other, each have its independance and even each have his own political views. I don’t know why we have to dissolve, no one did. The real danger to the lebanese culture is hizbullah and bashar and najad not being a part of the arab world. I am proud to be Lebanese and I would have never trade that for any other culture in the whole world. But some ideas here are scary, and I am glad that most of the lebanese forces do not think this way.

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