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• 1. monkey | February 21st, 2008 at 12:00 am

  luv dry bones

• 2. SONIA | February 21st, 2008 at 1:12 am

  monkey,I am curious. Which country do you live in?

• 3. monkey | February 21st, 2008 at 1:42 am

  eretz ha efsharuyot ha bility mugbalot

  hope that answered your question

• 4. Ali1559 | February 21st, 2008 at 7:21 am

  I respect them bcoz they are resisting the foreign occupiers of their country. They choose not be slaves.

• 5. monkey | February 21st, 2008 at 10:02 am

  “I respect them bcoz they are resisting the foreign occupiers”

  5alas….give us a break with this “foreign occupier” nonsense. Over 50% of Israeli Jews are indigenous to the middle east. Jews have extensive history in that land, and have had constant presence for millenia in Palestine/Greater Syria/Palestinian Mandate/Judea/Israel or however you wanna name it.

  If the Vast majority of the 1948 Palestinians were indeed indigenous to the Palestinian mandate, why would the UN define a Palestinian refugee as a person who has ONLY lived TWO YEARS (or more) in the Palestinian mandate. According to that definition, Israelis are 30X more palestinian.

  The Palestinians are the highest recipients of charity per capita. They should focus on building infrastructure instead of making bombs. They should strive to create, not to destroy. And your blind support of their violence only serves to make them more desparate.

• 6. Johnny.B | February 21st, 2008 at 12:21 pm

  israel is not occupying ,,, its the palestians who were greedy for money and sold there lands and houses for the israeili … khalsouna ba2a min adiyyeton l-feichleh

• 7. Michele | February 21st, 2008 at 1:30 pm

  Can’t understand nor tolerate people supporting terrorism or terrorists… What’s with u people!

  I totally agree with Monkey that instead of spending that money on buying hatred and violence invest in teaching your Children in building a promising future to them!!!!!

  And plz, call me whatwever u want, but i really don’t give a damn abt the palestinians cause! As Johnny B well explaned it above they should have thought abt it earlier. So deal wz it people and let us have peace with our neighbours. I for once would love to have cultivated, educated neighbours…

• 8. SONIA | February 22nd, 2008 at 1:24 am

  Monkey,you gave me some good clues. Thanks.

• 9. SONIA | February 22nd, 2008 at 1:29 am

  Ali…slaves? Do you know that Israel has a Muslim minister of sport and culture? Have you seen the large and fancy Arab owned homes in the Galilee. Come on…widen your horisons.

• 10. Terrorist;) | February 22nd, 2008 at 3:45 am

  i dont know if this is true but,tell mee?

• 11. Ali1559 | February 22nd, 2008 at 7:40 am

  What is the so-called Israeli state anyway? Many scholarly Jews call it an apartheid state. It’s obvious. Palestinians are second class citizens there. As Finkelstein said, most who Hitler ruled simply gave up with no resistance and became slaves of the Nazi empire. The Lebanese and Palestinians will always resist, no matter what. The quicker the so-called Israelis realize this and withdrawl from the occupied terriorties, the better it will be for them in the long run. The problem is that the Zionist ideals, are the real Armodenist ideas. In fact, them and the Neo-Nazi-Conservatives of the current American administration, are the ones looking for Armadeggon, even more than Ahmadinejad. The sad thing is, the Zionists do not hide this fact, they are so arrogant, they openly publish such Satanic thoughts.

• 12. Ali1559 | February 22nd, 2008 at 7:41 am

  So they give the lone “Muslim” a ball and a team to watch over, big deal. In fact, there are more government posts held by Jews in Iran, than posts held by Muslims in “Israel.” So if you want to close your eyes and pretend that Israel is righteous, it’s your option. However, the facts speak for themselves and the people (not the governments) of the region, are fearless in the face of this occupation as we have seen time after time.

• 13. SONIA | February 22nd, 2008 at 2:07 pm

  Ali, your post has my blood boiling,which is a pity because I started the day with a peaceful meditation. I recommend the practice to you Ali,by the way.

  You don’t know what you are talking about. You have never lived in an apartheid state but i have. I was born in one and lived there for twenty seven years. i left a comfortable life because i hated the system.and believe me when I say that apartheid South africa and Israel have mothing in common.

  Yes,the situatiopn of the Israeli Arabs could be improved. But under the circumstances,it is pretty good. They aren’t required to serve in the army so the miss out on a lot of benefits, and a lot of HARDSHIPS too.

  Thousands of young israeli Arabs want to do Volantary National Service (they would spend the time working in their cities and towns to improve their educational scores,do social work.upgrade the environment etc)whereupon they would be elegible for similar benefits but their LEADERS and sometimes their families oppose it. Nevertheless,many hundreds are doing just that.

  I don’t see Israeli Arabs queing up to emigrate.n my view that speaks for itself.

  Finkelstein. He was making a good living through propogating his vile views until he was thrown out of Academia by scholarly gentiles.
  You may know that where there are two Jews there will be three opinions. That is because our faith encourages us to think for ourselves.

  Yes, Jews reacted too passively to that evil maniac Hitler. Many did resist,joining the partisans and so on… That is precisely the reason Israelis will resist all attempts to throw them into the sea.So there you have it.

  Half the Israeli population came from Arab countries,leaving all their goods and chattels and homes behind by force or choice. An exchange of populations. Maybe…..

  As for Ahmajinadad, he is a real darling,isn’t he?

• 14. SONIA | February 22nd, 2008 at 2:31 pm

  To repeat…you don’t know what you are talking about and neither does Finkelstein.

• 15. B.R | February 22nd, 2008 at 6:49 pm

  Wlekkkk eh aloush, keep going. Kulon 3la al batal ? Good comment my freind.

• 16. Tarek | February 22nd, 2008 at 9:19 pm

  Dear Sonia,

  1st, no more than 15% of the land occupied by Israel was bought by the Jews.

  2nd, most of the Palestinians left their home in fear of war or massacres, they did not just “sell” their lands.

  3rd, you cannot expect peaceful Palestinians when Israel used violence to slaughter tens of thousands of them. I don’t need to name the incidents I guess.

  Gaza and the west bank was parts of Egypt and Jordan. So Palestinians should return to Palestine.

  Jews used to immigrate to the Arab world from Europe hundreds of years ago because they were welcomed here.

  Before Israel occupied Palestine, Jews were living and prospering inside the Arab community and in Palestine. However they just decided to reward the Arabs and especially the Palestinians by occupying their land and slaughtering thousands of them.

• 17. proud 2 b lf | February 22nd, 2008 at 10:02 pm

  dear tarek…do u know the story of jesus when he was born in ISRAEL!!!!!!!!!! lol how can u say palestine???? ok maybe there is palestine but its the same land!!!!!!!
  anyway i dont care about some fuckin palestinian thugs that r thrown out of their lands and live in our land claiming they r poor and scared while spreading terrorism in lebanon….i hope all palestinians would burn in hell with all their allies and their supporters and the supporters of their cause!!!!!!!!

• 18. monkey | February 22nd, 2008 at 10:50 pm

  “3rd, you cannot expect peaceful Palestinians when Israel used violence to slaughter tens of thousands of them. I don’t need to name the incidents I guess.”

  Israel killed less palestinians in its entire years of existence than king hussein killed in black september…or assad the father killed in a single afternoon…

  You dont care about the palestinians…we all know you consider them them to be the Arab Jews. You just hate Israel enough to use the palestinians as a punching bag…just like syria uses lebanon as its punching bag.

• 19. monkey | February 22nd, 2008 at 11:14 pm

  It doesnt matter whether you call the Holy land palestine/Israel/tizinabi.

  The fact is that Jews have an undeniable connection to this land. There is no other explanation to the fact that they have survived the past 60 years against all odds…and more than that…have become a strong nation…a successful nation with good and moral people.

  Jews have extensive history throughout the holy land, vast majority of the arabic names for cities in Israel come from the Jewish bible (xept for ramallah.) You cannot deny the connection between Hebrew, Israels official language and Arabic, a lang indigenous to the ME.

  On the other hand, the vast majority of the people you call palestinians (they can call themselves whatever they want…none of my business and none of yours) havent been in that region for hundreds of years. What could serve as a greater proof than the UN definition of a palestinian refugee (and hence a palestinian) someone who has lived there for solely TWO years. Are you kidding me?

  In his book “innocents abroad” Mark Twain described in 1867 what is today’s beautiful Israel as a: ”

  “A desolate country whose soil is rich enough but is given over wholly to weeds. A silent, mournful expanse. We never saw a human being on the whole route. There was hardly a tree or a shrub anywhere. Even the olive and the cactus, those fast friends of a worthless soil, had almost deserted the country.”

  But Twain aint the only one. Its also your brothers who testified similar things more recently:

  In 1937, the Arab leader Auni Bey Abdul Hadi told the Peel Commission: “There is no such country as Palestine. Palestine is a term the Zionists invented. Palestine is alien to us.”

  In 1946, Princeton’s Arab professor of Middle East history, Philip Hitti, told the Anglo-American Committee of Inquiry: “It’s common knowledge, there is no such thing as Palestine in history.”

  In March 1977, Zahir Muhsein, an executive member of the Palestinian Liberation Organization (PLO), said in an interview to the Dutch newspaper Trouw: “The ‘Palestinian people’ does not exist. The creation of a Palestinian state is only a means for continuing our struggle against the state of Israel.”

  I am all for a Palestinian state living peacefully alongside Israel. But it doesnt mean we shouldnt put people like Tarek in their place, when they try to twist history.

• 20. Tarek | February 22nd, 2008 at 11:18 pm

  proud to be lf,

  your right that Palestinians spread terrorism in Lebanon and actually at some point tried to occupy it. But here I am talking about the conflict between Israel and Palestine.

  I don’t care what was the name of the land nor I care what its name is nor what would it be called, I am talking about people kicked out of their homes and slaughtered.

  monkey,

  I agree with you, israel killed less palestinians far less than King hussein and Assad. Actually I consider israel the smallest threat to Lebanon compared to Assad, hizbulla and Najad.

  However monkey, that does not mean that Israelis did not slaughter innocent people, kick them out of their homes and occupy their land. I just hate it when people say none sense. Israel should admit its crimes, its occupation, allow all Palestinians back to Israel and initiate one state for all Palestinians and Israelis. Israelis will not accept that of course and thus there will be no peace and there will be continued hatred in the region for Israel. I actually don’t mind that, but you should …

• 21. Tarek | February 22nd, 2008 at 11:27 pm

  monkey, I don’t care WTMF were called, whether Palestinians or Indians. They were people living in their homes and they were kicked out.

  Saying that “Israel” or “Palastine” or whatever was a deserted country is not accepted. The Palestinians refugee did not drop from the sky and landed in Lebanon and other nearby countries you know. People who kicked out from their lands and homes should return back to them, I don’t care what do you call the land nor what do you call them.

• 22. Tarek | February 22nd, 2008 at 11:31 pm

  Ali why do you always refer to Iran and Ahmadi Najad!? Is Iran your country !!!?

  But I agree with Ali, Jews occupy more governments posts in Iran than Muslims do in Iran.

• 23. monkey | February 23rd, 2008 at 12:34 am

  Tarek

  Just like 6 million Jews didnt drop out from the moon. Just as you say that Jews came from Europe, I make sure to remind you where the vast majority of Palestinians came from.

  Dont forget about the 800,000 Jews who had REAL property and home confiscated from middle eastern countries after the 48 and 67 wars.

  No one says the Palestinians havent been used and abused. But your double standard in demanding justice just amazes me.

• 24. monkey | February 23rd, 2008 at 12:38 am

  “allow all Palestinians back to Israel and initiate one state for all Palestinians and Israelis. ”

  why dont we just leave the 400,000 palestinian refugees in lebanon and give them citizenship, just like has granted citizenship to 1.5 million palestinians. I mean you speak the same language, your cultures and values are more similar than Israel and its Arab citizens.

  Two can play this game smarty pants.

• 25. monkey | February 23rd, 2008 at 12:40 am

  That’s the smallest responsibility Lebanon could take after participating in wars against Israel. You demand justice…how bout you give some of it yourself.

• 26. Tarek | February 23rd, 2008 at 1:07 am

  “That’s the smallest responsibility Lebanon could take after participating in wars against Israel. You demand justice…how bout you give some of it yourself.”

  Well forgive us all mighty all angelic all peaceful and harmless Israel for waging a war against you, you who did not wage any wars, you who established a state using peaceful, forgiving unselfish means. Give me a break man.

  Smarty pants man!? Double standards!!! what are you talking about!! Man Palestinians should go back to their homes and their lands. Jews who want to go back to their lands in the Arabian world are welcomed to do so, but you don’t have the right to prevent people from having what is theirs and what is their right: having their homes and land back. The question is not why we don’t give them citizenship, it is why the f*** they can’t get to their homes.

• 27. SONIA | February 23rd, 2008 at 6:13 am

  We all know that Israel was recognised by the U.N. and was then immediately attacked by the Arab nations who would gleefully have slaughtered every man woman and child(jewish) living here.

  There is no such thing as perfect justice in an imperfect world.

  What are any of you doing to make the world a better place? What are you doing with your lives?

  Where is your love and charity hiding?

  I don’t get a sense of the human being in any of you. I know this is a political blog but lets not forget that war is made between people and not machines.

  Israel exists. It wants peace and reconciliation.

  I could bring more facts to bear at this point,such as where did the Palestinians originate,and so on…ad infinitum.

  In the meantime,thousands of refugees (mostly Muslims) are pouring into this country daily.

  No one can deny that there are there are many righteous people living in this tiny country which despite everthing contributes vastly to thesum of progress in the world.

  You can all go on arguing and repeating the same facts until the end of your lives if you like.See where it gets you.

  I am off to the beach and breakfast…

• 28. Johnny.B | February 23rd, 2008 at 8:07 am

  All our problems are from the palestinians,

  if it wasn’t for them selling there lands to the jews, then there wouldn’t have been any ignorants and radical islamic group to free palestine … and non of what’s happening today would’ve happened, there wouldnt have been war …

  all our problems is because the palestinian population was bought by money … cheap people … study history you would know that palestians were brought to the region from greece to be a barrier between jews and ancient pharaoens (big mistake)

• 29. SONIA | February 23rd, 2008 at 8:46 am

  Jews have one seat in the Iranian parliament set aside for them. More Jews than….lets not get carried away.

• 30. Tarek | February 23rd, 2008 at 3:22 pm

  Sonia this is real. Jews hold offices in Iran more than Muslims do. When I say Mulsims I am not counting the Shiit.

• 31. SONIA | February 23rd, 2008 at 8:13 pm

  Tarek,please clarify. There only 25,ooo Jews left in Iran. Over 80,OOO left for Israel and arrived penniless. They didn’t leave because their future was so rosy in the country of their birth.

  I guess your post has some hidden meaning so I will be looking out for your reply. By the way the appointment of a Jewish member of parliament in Iran makes him a token Jew.

• 32. Tarek | February 23rd, 2008 at 11:36 pm

  Sonia, you have to understand something, Jews were not persecuted in any Arabian country until the state of Israel project. Jews were always persecuted in Europe and always fled to the Arabian world were they found shelter. When Spain was occupied by the Arabs, Jews fled to Andalus and were welcomed there. They held high offices their and they even fought along side the Arabs against the Europeans. However, some mad man, who did not care about Jews and who only wanted their demise worked on the state of Israel project. When this state was established with the way it was established, then Jews became persecuted in the Arab world. It’s not that some day, Arabian leaders woke up and said: “well let’s hunt some Jews today”, and all the poor Jews around the Arabian world fled to Palestine. It’s just the opposite.

• 33. SONIA | February 24th, 2008 at 6:56 am

  Tarek,you are an ignorant man and your post is not really worthy of a reply.

  Read about the history of Zionism starting with the Dreyfus case in France and then go on to read about Herzl who concluded that the Jewish people (we are not a religion only) should strive for their own homeland where they would be reborn as free people,free from persecution and discrimination.

  I advise you to stick to the conflicts within Lebanon and not to address subjects you know nothing about.

  I will be leaving this blog for a while so you can have the last word and write the biggest load of rubbish if you like. Who can stop you?Neverthess,think about it… Do really want the whole world to read your confused thoughts..

• 34. Tarek | February 24th, 2008 at 2:08 pm

  SONIA,

  I was really surprised by your blog. My post is not really worthy of the reply!? All what I have said is true. Just to clear things up, when I said

  “some mad man, who did not care about Jews and who only wanted their demise worked on the state of Israel project”

  I meant it metaphorically. What I meant here that after the state of israel project, jews are hated now by arabs, nonarabs whether muslims or Christians. You should have known that meaning was not literal, however you seem you sticked to the literal meaning just to avoid the real point. Nice one.

• 35. SONIA | February 24th, 2008 at 2:39 pm

  Tarek, I underestimated you. I apologise.

• 36. Tarek | February 24th, 2008 at 2:43 pm

  Still playing the same game, avoid the point of the discussion.

• 37. SONIA | February 24th, 2008 at 4:00 pm

  Tarek,what IS the point of this discussion?

  Good Arabs versus Bad Israelis?

  Very good Arabs versus ungrateful Jews?

  If you are an American citizen, i suggest you visit Israel and see for yourself.

• 38. Tarek | February 24th, 2008 at 4:12 pm

  That’s not the topic of the discussion Sonya. I do not generalize things.

  “Israel exists. It wants peace and reconciliation.”

  Peace cannot be achieved if the refugees did not return to their land. That is a thing you should know if you want peace. Peace can only be achieved (if it can) by allowing the return of the refugee and initiating one state for all. If you want peace and reconciliation you should work on your government to do this. Any other solution is just like using morphine for cancer. That’s an advice, I’m not getting anything out of this whole thing.

• 39. Johnny.B | February 24th, 2008 at 7:33 pm

  Tarek,

  ” Peace can only be achieved (if it can) by allowing the return of the refugee and initiating one state for all”

  man they sold there land and home, they have no right to get back there, they were greedy for money, let them handle the concequences…

• 40. Tarek | February 24th, 2008 at 8:03 pm

  Johnny.B

  1st- The percentage of the land sold is around 10%. Most all of the refugees did not sell their lands they just left because of the 1948 war.

  2nd- If the consequences are upon them alone there is no problem but that’s not the case and you know better. If we really want a solution to the whole thing in the area we should solve this crisis and any other thing is just prolonging the crisis.

• 41. Johnny.B | February 24th, 2008 at 9:37 pm

  Tarek,

  the only way to solve this, is let them go live in iraq or ksa its a vast area no one will get bothered

• 42. Tarek | February 24th, 2008 at 11:02 pm

  Jhonny ok we’ll have no Palestinians then. Then what!? Do you think peace will be there!? We will live happily ever after!? Unless there was real peace that satisfies all, the region will always be just a land for confrontation. I am talking about a real solution here.

• 43. Johnny.B | February 25th, 2008 at 8:45 am

  Tarek,

  exactly, Palestenians are the basis of the problem …

  yes I’d rather live without them, those people who killed thousands of lebanese to occupy our country, those people who have strongholds in our country and are shelters for the worlds most cruel criminals … yes the hell with palestine ,,, these people have done no good to the area neither to there country, istead they sold there land and killed our people, and did the most terrible crimes in lebanon these people desert nothing more than a remote desert to be thrown in …

• 44. Tarek | February 25th, 2008 at 10:41 am

  Johnny,
  We can just keep following our feelings and imagine great solution, or we can really work on the problem and solve this crisis for real.

• 45. Johnny.B | February 25th, 2008 at 11:03 am

  Tarek,

  to us they are the enemy and the cause of the problem ,

  to them israe is the enemy and the cause of the problem,

  why should we always be the ones who sacrifice and do the first move and forgive them and frget the past , while they don’t do the same with there enemy israel, and on top of all of this, they are the ones to blame in all of this … and yet they still call us zionists and murderers because we did not let them occupy and take over our country …

  these people are not worth even a spit …

  my friend don’t waste your time and thought on people who know nothing but stabbing you in the back …

• 46. Tarek | February 25th, 2008 at 6:46 pm

  Johnny,
  I’ll be sencere with you, though I and everybody around hate what Palestinians did to Lebanon, I admit that they have the right to go back to their lands. It is untrue that most sold their land just to become refugees, the lands been bought are all registered, most are really war refugees. I don’t consider palestinians an enemy, I consider arafat a one. At some point they were the enemy, the enemy now is not them, it is HA and Iran along with the syrian regime. You may be right that I should be bothering myself with them, after all in a way they are a reason why we had the civil war and then the syrian occupation and not he Iranian occupation. However, if we don’t put our hatred aside and start thinking for a real solution, we can’t reach it. I am talking here about a peace process that will make Palestinians living side by side of the jews in israel. If israel and palestinias can reach peace, we should be able to reach one at least with them.

  Now with serious stuff here. I really can’t see a stable and healthy lebanon without a real peace process with israel. There will be no HA, no Assad, no ahmadi najad pretending to fight israel. This a solution to all of the crisis.

• 47. Johnny.B | February 25th, 2008 at 9:37 pm

  Tarek,

  good point, that’s why H.A doesnt want peace with israel, because if there is peace then h.a will have no more reason to exist and iran will have no more the chance to threaten usa by hitten israel …

  so the peace process does not depend on us what we think … it all depends on iran and usa … until iran looses the cause of fighting usa there will be no peace in the middle east

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